Will Mass Effect 3 be an...epic fail?

With the disapointment of DA2 i wonder if masse effect 3 will get the same "simplify" the game treatment?

I really lov mass effect 2 and tought it was one of the best game i have ever played but seeing that Bioware seems to want to take the easy way out now with their games i just hope it does not end up in another disaster.

I could go on and on and on and most people here have seen similar threads and most of us know the facts....

speculate...

You can't really simplify it any more than they already did with 2.

I hope it is great, as I just got 1 and 2 and need to playthrough them, which will lead me to buy 3 if I like them.

I remember seeing alot of people sayign Mass Effect2 was fail because the Mako was gone and it was to simple, and what not. I still enjoyed that game alot.

I expect ME3 to be another good rpg/shooter like the first two were. ME2 made some changes and took some things out but it was still fun, as was DA2 to me (while not as good as origins though).

Until Bioware makes a bad game I will continue to support them. Sure ME2, DA2 are not as good as Baldurs Gate, KOTOR,etc.. but to me they are still alot of fun and on the same level as Jade Empire was (Bit more action then rpg type of deal, which ME2 and DA2 did).

Yes I wish we had more hardcore old shcool rpgs, but if I have fun then thats really all that matters in the end to me. ME series has always been just as much a shotoer as it has been an RPG imo, especailly more so with ME2 and some of the things taken out. Still had a blast and really enjoyed the characters/story,etc..

Although when I did hear there was going to be multiplayer in ME3 I was a bit worried, but Ive learned to wait till i play the game to make my mind up about a new feature or something taken away.

No Mass effect 2 is a pretty basic game but its one of the best games we have seen. Bioware is one company i have faith in

You can't really simplify it any more than they already did with 2.

Phoenix534

This. I don't really know how you can simplifiy at any more and still call it an rpg.

I think it will be great no matter what. I'm crossing my fingers for a huge space battle. Space combat would be awesome.Elann2008

This is one thing I think would be a great addition to the series to.

Will be awesome. Mass Effect 2 had the benefit of correcting a bunch of things ME1 got wrong, even if it did strip it down some. But regardless, many people think it was a great trade-off because Mass Effect's strengths are more in its action and dialogue, rather than traditional looting and what have you. Might as well strengthen that as much as you can.

But regarding Dragon Age, people thought Origins was a great RPG. The problem is it didn't have glaring ME-like flaws, and the DA team overdid it. They made a fairly competent RPG into an action game.

With the disapointment of DA2 i wonder if masse effect 3 will get the same "simplify" the game treatment?

I really lov mass effect 2 and tought it was one of the best game i have ever played but seeing that Bioware seems to want to take the easy way out now with their games i just hope it does not end up in another disaster.

I could go on and on and on and most people here have seen similar threads and most of us know the facts....

speculate...

kokonut1971

What do you mean by "simplify"?

Mass Effect was never a hardcore complex RPG to begin with, it was just a normal casual action-RPG.

You are partially right though, Mass Effect 3 will be EPIC....

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You can't really simplify it any more than they already did with 2.

cain006

This. I don't really know how you can simplifiy at any more and still call it an rpg.

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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

You can't really simplify it any more than they already did with 2.

MyopicCanadian

This. I don't really know how you can simplifiy at any more and still call it an rpg.

Mass Effect 1 was awsome. Mass Effect 2 is good game. But it was simplied too much and most of the RPG element was removed. It is a good game and still has great characters, though 2nd story was average. Voice acting and chracter animations are amazing. ME 2 combat is more like Gears of War style combat, but not as good.

I dont think Mass Effect 3 will fail. It will be good game, I just hope the story will be better than 2nd one. Maybe improve on combat system of the 2nd game.

You can't really simplify it any more than they already did with 2.

Phoenix534

dragon age 2 disagrees.

id also like them to improve the paragon/renegade options you either have to be full paragorn or full renegade to fill the bar and be able to make some choises later in the game.

My crystalball says ME3 will rock your socks off

I loved both ME1 and ME2, sure they removed the mako, but they listened to the complaints and implemented the firewalker or whatever the name was (DLC, but it was free)

Naw, It won't be epic fail. They can't do more harm than they'll already done. The next step would be an on-rail shooter.

I speculate that your speculation is being speculated too much without speculating any real reason or argument for this speculation.DanielDust

I loved both ME1 and ME2, sure they removed the mako, but they listened to the complaints and implemented the firewalker or whatever the name was (DLC, but it was free)

ventnor

Seeing as how it's being rushed out a year after ME2 there's a good chance it will.

Mass Effect 2 was better than the first from what I've played, unless you enjoyed the mako side-quests ( in which case you should feel bad ). I also felt that Mass Effect 1 was kinda lacking in planets you could explore. You know, real planets and not those board game style, mako rubber physics, empty planets. The best zone was the Citadel station...

Also, different dev teams.

Seeing as how it's being rushed out a year after ME2 there's a good chance it will.

coreybg

Obviously..., The answer is a big NO!

Seeing as how it's being rushed out a year after ME2 there's a good chance it will.

coreybg

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Seeing as how it's being rushed out a year after ME2 there's a good chance it will.

EzekyleAbadon

Just like Uncharted 3 and Battlefield 3 (although BF3 isnt quite as long as the others), which will both be amazing games.

I remember seeing alot of people sayign Mass Effect2 was fail because the Mako was gone and it was to simple, and what not. I still enjoyed that game alot.

I expect ME3 to be another good rpg/shooter like the first two were. ME2 made some changes and took some things out but it was still fun, as was DA2 to me (while not as good as origins though).

Until Bioware makes a bad game I will continue to support them. Sure ME2, DA2 are not as good as Baldurs Gate, KOTOR,etc.. but to me they are still alot of fun and on the same level as Jade Empire was (Bit more action then rpg type of deal, which ME2 and DA2 did).

Yes I wish we had more hardcore old shcool rpgs, but if I have fun then thats really all that matters in the end to me. ME series has always been just as much a shotoer as it has been an RPG imo, especailly more so with ME2 and some of the things taken out. Still had a blast and really enjoyed the characters/story,etc..

Although when I did hear there was going to be multiplayer in ME3 I was a bit worried, but Ive learned to wait till i play the game to make my mind up about a new feature or something taken away.

kozzy1234

There is alot of foolish people out there if they actually enjoyed the Mako.. 90% of everythign you explored with it was a barren waste land.. I can't believe people actually liked that part of the game what so ever..

they should just have a mineral booth or something where you can buy em off w/ creditsBatang_X990

[QUOTE="Batang_X990"]they should just have a mineral booth or something where you can buy em off w/ creditsKhanhAgE

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Seeing as how it's being rushed out a year after ME2 there's a good chance it will.

EzekyleAbadon

I was a bit cautious on that side but the reason why I think it won't be a fail is because its always been a planned trilogy so they know what they are doing from the beginning and the engine, design will be the same with just enhancements. I think its gameplay to think about they made some changes from ME1 to ME2 that they were able to make work and get away with.

I hope they don't add multiplayer just so they can tick all the boxes and instead concentrate on making this final chapter one to remember. They can do MP if they think it fits next time round since Bioware said the Mass Effect universe they created is so rich they'll make more games based on it.

really hoping they improve the mineral collecting. i thought it was boring as hell. they should just have a mineral booth or something where you can buy em off w/ credits in addition to looting them when you're doing missions. of course, they're gonna have to let sheppard hold a lot more credits. maybe have a banker in the normandy and open a checking account there :PBatang_X990

That would be nice i did it for 5 mins and i think i was screw this cheat engine time.

I hope your remaining squad members stay with you.

If there is still an awesome story, and interesting characters and cool space battles and cut scenes it will be just fine. Since it's made by bioware I will assume those things will happen. ferrari2001

Agreed. BioWare RPGs always have an awesome storyline, and DA2 has one, notwithstanding all those who jumped on the bandwagon after only running the demo.:P:lol:

Bioware has been going downhill since BG II.

Dragon Age is an awful series. I don't want my games to preach the *** lifestyle at me. If they can't make a game without preaching their politically correct religion at me - I 'll pass.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]If there is still an awesome story, and interesting characters and cool space battles and cut scenes it will be just fine. Since it's made by bioware I will assume those things will happen. topsemag55

Agreed. BioWare RPGs always have an awesome storyline, and DA2 has one, notwithstanding all those who jumped on the bandwagon after only running the demo.:P:lol:

Mass Effect 2 had a horrible storyline, but for the most part you're right.

I have over 100 hours with ME2, it's an awesome game, everyone STFU.

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]If there is still an awesome story, and interesting characters and cool space battles and cut scenes it will be just fine. Since it's made by bioware I will assume those things will happen. cain006

Agreed. BioWare RPGs always have an awesome storyline, and DA2 has one, notwithstanding all those who jumped on the bandwagon after only running the demo.:P:lol:

Mass Effect 2 had a horrible storyline, but for the most part you're right.

Mass Effect 2 was better than the first from what I've played, unless you enjoyed the mako side-quests ( in which case you should feel bad ). I also felt that Mass Effect 1 was kinda lacking in planets you could explore. You know, real planets and not those board game style, mako rubber physics, empty planets. The best zone was the Citadel station...

Also, different dev teams.

SkyWard20

People need to stop thinking that because a game is more streamlined and more basic than old school RPGs, it's consolized. It has nothing to do with that. The majority of Gamers have changed this generation (notice I said majority), they no longer want long 150 hour RPGs where you have to go through spec after spec after spec and compare things and pause and etc etc etc. I used to love Baldurs Gate type RPGs (hardcore), but that was back then when not many games came out. Now publishers want you to enjoy a game and then move on quickly to their next game ($$$). PERFECT example is the transition between DA1 and Dragon Age 2....FelipeInside

Speak for yourself. I miss complex RPG's and so do many others in this forum, so I'm not even sure you can play the "majority" card. And how do gamers tastes change through a "generation" anyway? For that matter, why would we even discuss generations if consolization has nothing to do with this.. it is a console term, after all.

If all this streamlining is for the better, then why do I find myself playing Titan Quest when Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 just came out? :D

From what I can tell, many PC gamers want what they've always wanted. Deep, interesting games. You lose all that depth in an RPG and all you're left with is an action-adventure game, something that will sell well on CONSOLES. That's why it always goes back to consolization.

I assure you that Mass Effect as a series was made this way to appeal to console gamers, so again, consolization. If it was a PC-exclusive trilogy, the games would've had much more substance. This is plainly acknowledged in the PC port of ME1, which already had more of a tactical interface, even though it was the same game overall. In fact you can even track this with Bioware's game efforts over the years... as they move more and more to console-centric development, their games get less interesting and complex.

Why do people say ME2 story was horrible? "Horrible" is a strong word. Maybe it wasn't as new and good as ME1, but far from horrible imo....FelipeInside

The storyline is cliche and barely there. The game relied almost solely on the characters in terms of its storyline.

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People need to stop thinking that because a game is more streamlined and more basic than old school RPGs, it's consolized. It has nothing to do with that. The majority of Gamers have changed this generation (notice I said majority), they no longer want long 150 hour RPGs where you have to go through spec after spec after spec and compare things and pause and etc etc etc. I used to love Baldurs Gate type RPGs (hardcore), but that was back then when not many games came out. Now publishers want you to enjoy a game and then move on quickly to their next game ($$$). PERFECT example is the transition between DA1 and Dragon Age 2....MyopicCanadian

Speak for yourself. I miss complex RPG's and so do many others in this forum, so I'm not even sure you can play the "majority" card. And how do gamers tastes change through a "generation" anyway? For that matter, why would we even discuss generations if consolization has nothing to do with this.. it is a console term, after all.

If all this streamlining is for the better, then why do I find myself playing Titan Quest when Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 just came out? :D

From what I can tell, many PC gamers want what they've always wanted. Deep, interesting games. You lose all that depth in an RPG and all you're left with is an action-adventure game, something that will sell well on CONSOLES. That's why it always goes back to consolization.

I assure you that Mass Effect as a series was made this way to appeal to console gamers, so again, consolization. If it was a PC-exclusive trilogy, the games would've had much more substance. This is plainly acknowledged in the PC port of ME1, which already had more of a tactical interface, even though it was the same game overall. In fact you can even track this with Bioware's game efforts over the years... as they move more and more to console-centric development, their games get less interesting and complex.