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when ur not even using it probably.
Oh so you are a ****.
I thought I would respond to your posts, give u yet another chance but deep down I knew I shouldn't have cause you're the forum troll.
Whatever dude. Keep living in your sad life where you hate everything.
You are hilarious.
when ur not even using it probably.
Oh so you are a ****.
I thought I would respond to your posts, give u yet another chance but deep down I knew I shouldn't have cause you're the forum troll.
Whatever dude. Keep living in your sad life where you hate everything.
You are hilarious.
And you are pathetic. Hopefully in the future I remember to not feed the troll.
when ur not even using it probably.
Oh so you are a ****.
I thought I would respond to your posts, give u yet another chance but deep down I knew I shouldn't have cause you're the forum troll.
Whatever dude. Keep living in your sad life where you hate everything.
You are hilarious.
And you are pathetic. Hopefully in the future I remember to not feed the troll.
Trolls saying somebody else is trolling.
Top kek
Start8 would replace the Start Menu.
With Win8.1 lets you boot to desktop and other things (like use same background) that makes it normal to use with a kb/ms
So yeah, like I said. I'm not gonna pay 99-120$ to get the same exact shit by installing a third party program.
You're not getting are you?
Ehhh.... Start8 is $5 and lets you trial it for a month. Apart from Start8 there are many other ones that do the same thing for FREE. And apart from all that you can, you know, just use the menu that comes with 8.1 which works the same as the old one.
What am I not getting?
or he can install classic shell... which is free.... and can produce a start menu that looks and operates IDENTICAL to the windows 7 start menu.
Start8 would replace the Start Menu.
With Win8.1 lets you boot to desktop and other things (like use same background) that makes it normal to use with a kb/ms
So yeah, like I said. I'm not gonna pay 99-120$ to get the same exact shit by installing a third party program.
You're not getting are you?
Ehhh.... Start8 is $5 and lets you trial it for a month. Apart from Start8 there are many other ones that do the same thing for FREE. And apart from all that you can, you know, just use the menu that comes with 8.1 which works the same as the old one.
What am I not getting?
or he can install classic shell... which is free.... and can produce a start menu that looks and operates IDENTICAL to the windows 7 start menu.
Just ignore Jebus. It's like talking to a wall. Everyone has said that you can get the start menu he desires so much yet he ignores all that and still says "Win8 sux blah blah blah"
Use your valuable time to respond to posters that are worth responding to, don't fall in the same trap I did.
No, you are still unreasonably defending Windows 8. As I said earlier, people have very specific issues with Windows 8. Nobody supporting Windows 8 in this thread has addressed all these problems from the thread creator and a few people in replies. Assuming these problems exist, then there are still reasons to not install Windows 8. You can't just ignore the issues, and say that Windows 8 is the right choice for everyone. Are you seeing how you come off as a fanboy yet?
As for Start8 being an acceptable solution, let me give you a scenario to compare. You go to a car dealership. One car would work just fine for your purposes. Another car seems nice and modern, but some needed features are missing. In order to get these features, you would have to send this car to a 3rd party auto shop, and install 3rd party hardware systems to make the car fit for purpose. It should be common sense that the vast majority of buyers would pick the first car. Nobody wants to be sold anything broken, or unfinished, then having to pay more money to make it work right.
Felipe, I am trying to be patient with you. If nothing in this post gets through to you, then I will have to ignore you from now on. I would be sad to do that. You have to put yourself in the shoes of others. I say this with utmost respect. If you can't do this, you are a limited thinker.
No, you are still unreasonably defending Windows 8. As I said earlier, people have very specific issues with Windows 8. Nobody supporting Windows 8 in this thread has addressed all these problems from the thread creator and a few people in replies. Assuming these problems exist, then there are still reasons to not install Windows 8. You can't just ignore the issues, and say that Windows 8 is the right choice for everyone. Are you seeing how you come off as a fanboy yet?
As for Start8 being an acceptable solution, let me give you a scenario to compare. You go to a car dealership. One car would work just fine for your purposes. Another car seems nice and modern, but some needed features are missing. In order to get these features, you would have to send this car to a 3rd party auto shop, and install 3rd party hardware systems to make the car fit for purpose. It should be common sense that the vast majority of buyers would pick the first car. Nobody wants to be sold anything broken, or unfinished, then having to pay more money to make it work right.
Felipe, I am trying to be patient with you. If nothing in this post gets through to you, then I will have to ignore you from now on. I would be sad to do that. You have to put yourself in the shoes of others. I say this with utmost respect. If you can't do this, you are a limited thinker.
I said that Windows 8 isn't perfect, and that people happy with Windows 7 AREN'T forced to upgrade.
People with new PCs should just install Win8 since it's basically a better Windows 7. If there is a compatibility issue there of course stick with Win7 or XP depending on your situation. I am not defending Win8 or telling people to upgrade, I am saying it's a good OS, better mostly than Windows 7 to shut up all the haters that say it sux (like the TC), cause it's a wrong review of it. People on these forums tend to have the view that if you say something positive about a product, then ure a fanboy.
I still use Win7 on my second PC and at work cause it's a great OS.
Where is the fanboy defense happening here?
And the car analogy is wrong. It's not like MS completely removed the Start Menu and therefore you have to pay more to put it back in, they just updated the start menu after 30 years to a newer version. Which, once you learn it, works exactly the same as the old one. Start8 and those other FREE 3rd party apps are for people that just prefer the old one and can't get used to the new one. It's called CHOICE. Another thing that MS allows on their OS, freedom to install any Windows Application you want.... where are all the people that cried about Win8 being a closed system too btw?
[quote="FelipeInside"]People with new PCs should just install Win8 since it's basically a better Windows 7. If there is a compatibility issue there of course stick with Win7.[/quote]
These two sentences contradict each other. Why should people install Win8 on a new PC if there are issues of missing features, or compatibility issues? Just to be clear, the thread creator and a few repliers are mostly not talking about compatibility issues. They are talking about missing features, or inability to customize certain aspects of the OS to their needs. There are obviously people who should not install Windows 8, regardless of new PC, or old.
[quote="FelipeInside"]People with new PCs should just install Win8 since it's basically a better Windows 7. If there is a compatibility issue there of course stick with Win7.[/quote]
These two sentences contradict each other. Why should people install Win8 on a new PC if there are issues of missing features, or compatibility issues? Just to be clear, the thread creator and a few repliers are mostly not talking about compatibility issues. They are talking about missing features, or inability to customize certain aspects of the OS to their needs. There are obviously people who should not install Windows 8, regardless of new PC, or old.
No it doesn't contradict, let me explain: there is a big difference between compatibility issues and difference in a menu.
For example, if you have software that you use that doesn't work properly on Win8 then of course its recommended you stay on Win7 till they release an update to that software.
Generally speaking (Keyword: generally), if you buy a new PC it's fine to install Win8 since my point all along has been that its just an improved version of the last MS OS.
As for missing features, which ones are we talking about here? Don't give me the "Start menu isn't there" cause it is.
Sorry, Felipe. You have lost me as a debate opponent. I can't have this debate with someone who doesn't have the reading comprehension to pick out the issues already posted about Windows 8. I saw a few more specific things than just the start menu.
Sorry, Felipe. You have lost me as a debate opponent. I can't have this debate with someone who doesn't have the reading comprehension to pick out the issues already posted about Windows 8. I saw a few more specific things than just the start menu.
You want me to look at the issues already posted, here we go:
- "the fact you can't create shortcuts where ever you want them to be": no idea what he means, I can create shortcuts on the desktop like I've always have.
- "No, crappy Win95esque themes. I hate the stupid cartoony XP/7/8 themes": personal preference and it's time to move on from Win95 Themes. If he think Win95 looks better than Win7/8 he needs glasses. If he really has issues, there are different themes for him to try or worst case scenario he can install Windows Blinds.
- "Then there's the fact it has to constantly remind you where start menu is, as if you're some mind numbing cretin incapable of remembering where your fingers are.": again no idea what he is on about, my Windows 8 never tells me where the start menu is.
- "The new hotmail/user account hybrids would be ok, if they didn't nerf your username.": use a local account, solved.
Anything else I left out? Basically the TC felt like having a rant cause things are different to what he's used to.
One last time so you understand: Windows 8 isn't perfect, but there are ways around to 95% of the issues people whine about on here. And once again, people that are happy with Win7 don't need (or are forced) to upgrade, I just suggested it for people with new PCs. Don't accuse me of reading comprehension when I have explained my point to you 3 times and you still ignore it.
After all this, can I ask, do you have Windows 8 installed or are using it somehow? Or are you basing all your opinions off someone elses' ?
im not really sure what everyones problem is with Win8.... if you want something, you just type the name. you dont even have to search for it with the mouse.
want your control panel? type control panel.
want battlefield 4? type battlefield 4
want display settings? type display settings
its just that easy.... what is the problem?
The problem is that people hate change. It's a normal human attribute.
Something can come along that is ten times better than what a person has, but that person will generally still choose the old item because they are used to it.
If Windows 8 had the normal menu, everybody would be using it and praising it (you can still get it like that with Start8). But they do a new menu and everybody goes crazy.
1. In any other case, I might agree with you. The biggest problems with 8 having nothing to do with the start menu. I also don't think start up speed is THAT much of a plus. Changing any setting, especially a BIOS setting, it harder than it needs to be. I don't know about 8.1, but with 8, it was impossible to reach the BIOS from start up on some systems with 8 pre-installed. 8 is hard to troubleshoot as it is, but not being able to access the BIOS right off is a serious problem.
no idea what you are even saying here.... windows has absolutely no bearing at all on your ability to access the BIOS. it does not stop you in any way.
2.DAMN IT SECUREBOOT
oooooook?
3. Windows 8's big advertised selling point was its ease of use. Anyone, including a computer illiterate, could use it. The commercials and advertising campaign try to point out things that ANY device can do as its advantages. It's like trying to sell a chair based on the fact that you can sit on it. The funny thing is that for any non-techie, Windows 8 is very difficult to use, let alone some techies, which also can have a hard time using it.
so basically you are complaining that they tried to make it more simple?
4. One of the biggest changes was copied from Linux, and done terribly. The way some things need to be opened in an entirely different kind of screen or interface is stupid. It doesn't add anything. It feels more like a gimmick than a feature.
you literally never have to use any of the windows apps that do this.... literally never.
5.Gesture Controls - D:<
gesture controls..... that work perfectly when used with a touch screen.... like they were meant to be used with?
6. The start menu. I know I just said I don't care about it. It's still inferior. It doesn't bug me, but it's still a flaw. The only thing it has going for it is synch between PC and mobile devices, which is what is was designed for. But even people that use it for that reason explicitly drop it almost immediately.
again, if you want something... just type the name. you dont have to navigate the start menu at all
7. The menu maze. If I ever want to change a setting, I need to navigate a labyrinth of menus that seem to explain nothing to a person that doesn't already know what they mean. These menus are only useful if you already know what all the information explains and where every link goes. Learning them wouldn't be a problem, if they didn't seem to lead you in a circle, helped you learn anything, or assisted you in any way before needing to search for HOW TO FIND whatever you were trying to find on the internet.
Really? Didn't deem this part necessary of your normally unnecessary instructions or tutorials Microsoft?
AGAIN.... if you want something... just type the name. you dont have to navigate a single menu
8. I need to send on online request to my Microsoft account.
wat?
9. The absence of a log out button. Oh sure, you can sign in to another account, but no accounts can actually sign out.
i can log out of my account right now.... im am literally staring at the logout button.... and yes, it does log me out when i use it.
10. It belongs to Microsoft. Yes, That's bad. I used to be a big Microsoft supporter, but man.... they've done a lot of "corporate bastard" style stuff in recent years and I only see it getting worse in the future. How are we ever supposed to trust this company ever again? Logical fallacy or personal preference, take your pick why I'm wrong and that isn't relevant. But you know it applies.
honestly no idea what you are going on about here...
11. Glitches and failures are rampant. I find a new reason to hate Windows 8 almost every week. I think I've found over 50 problems in the past the I KNEW where specifically 8's fault.
i have been on windows 8 for a year now.... i have not had a single crash. not even one. sounds like you need to learn how to not **** up your computer.
12. IT WAS A BETA. MICROSOFT MADE YOU PAY FOR AN UNTESTED, UNFINISHED REHASH OF 7. Microsoft has officially stated that it was a beta.
no, they havent.... but keep on doing your thing mad guy.
I apoligize for one thing. I forgot to state I'm talking exclusively about PC's. Not mobile devices.
3. No. It doesn't bug me that they tried to make it more simple. It isn't really that much simpler anyway. I just thought it was funny that it's big thing in the advertising campaign was it's ease of use and simplicity, but how difficult of a time some people, including techies, that have had a hard time with it.
Example: "All those games you love? There right here in games." Because up until now, they never have been. And it's never been possible to make folder called Games before. It's never been possible to have a device with both word processors and games on it before. Those are all the amazing new advantages that Windows 8 offers.
4. You don't have too. I don't hate it as a feature, but again, it's sold as one of it's advantages, but it isn't.
5. I'm sure they're neat with a touch screen. But PC's were pre-installed with it, and if you don't have a mouse, the gesture controls are irritating. They aren't random. They actually always work, but when the gesture control just moving the mouse left or right ( an incredibly common occurrence) it happens when you don't want it to.
6. Just pointing out that the old start menu was better. I don't dislike it. I know you can type to search. There just isn't a reason why the option couldn't have been provided to switch to a normal start menu, if they were going to invest so much in the new start menu.
7. What if I don't where know where to find what I'm looking for? If I knew the gist of what I wanted to find, but didn't know exactly where it could be found? Maybe, you don't even know the keywords, but you'll know it when you see it. Normally, you find things by looking around. This is massively more difficult with Windows 8.
As far as the start menu's actual searching ability is concerned, 8 seemed to work much better than 8.1 8.1 seems to find only a select few objects from what you typed in. After hitting enter, a tab pops in a background window separate from the desktop. Not that big of a deal, but needing to close your search results is a step backwards.
8. Windows 8 requires that you send a request to your Microsoft account to change your password. You can change it Local mode, but it's makes the local user an entirely separate account from the online one. If you learn this after you've already invested plenty of time on it ( pretty likely), you either have to start fresh or transfer all your things and change all the setting again.
9. Ok, you got me on this one. There is indeed a log out button. But it's in a weird spot. It's in the top right corner of the start menu, separate from it's friends, the Shutdown, Restart, and Switch User. Why? It doesn't even say logout. It's just your profile pic and your name. I went a massive amount of time without knowing this, letting the other account bog me down when I didn't feel like shutting down. Other people had the same problem. Google it.
10. Too complicated. Not getting into it. Microsoft has made some....questionable decisions concerning how their customers. The Xbox One and Windows 8 being a beta are the most recent things. Yes. They did officially state it was a beta.
11. I think you missed the main point of the message. 11. I think I've found over 50 problems in the past the I KNEW where specifically 8's fault.
Admitted, some of glitches could have been coincidence, but a majority of them were not. It was glitchy. Because it was a beta.
For users who only demand the basics from their OS (AKA lowest common denominator), Windows 8 or 8.1 is fine. But some of us who really like to customize or change things around (like mouse polling rates, one small example) are going to have a harder time liking it.
But Windows 8.1 has the most customization options out of all MS Operating Systems, so....?
I don't know about the mouse thing. I always thought that was done through the mouse and mouse software.
You don't even know what a mouse polling rate is. You probably still don't even know what mouse acceleration is. Because of things like that - I honestly don't value your opinion on anything related to computer software, no offense. It's plainly obvious to most tech-heads here that you simply don't know very much for how long you've been on these forums or how many posts you have. I'm serious when I say that I don't mean that in an offensive way - but you simply look at computers and software in a different way that many of us do. You're happier using an OS with knowing less about it, and some of us are happier knowing more about it.
I think I'll trust the people complaining about the OS and actually know a thing or two about how their mouse works...
For users who only demand the basics from their OS (AKA lowest common denominator), Windows 8 or 8.1 is fine. But some of us who really like to customize or change things around (like mouse polling rates, one small example) are going to have a harder time liking it.
But Windows 8.1 has the most customization options out of all MS Operating Systems, so....?
I don't know about the mouse thing. I always thought that was done through the mouse and mouse software.
- but you simply look at computers and software in a different way that many of us do.
And thank the Lord I do, so I actually enjoy more games and things than most of you here. I look at the positives, while most here concentrate on the negatives.
ProTip: start enjoying life a bit more and not worry so much about a little menu or whatever, it's a lot more fun that way.
PS: and that post is rich coming from you, really. The amount of times you talk without knowing is astonishing, yet you don't see me calling you out on it.
For users who only demand the basics from their OS (AKA lowest common denominator), Windows 8 or 8.1 is fine. But some of us who really like to customize or change things around (like mouse polling rates, one small example) are going to have a harder time liking it.
But Windows 8.1 has the most customization options out of all MS Operating Systems, so....?
I don't know about the mouse thing. I always thought that was done through the mouse and mouse software.
- but you simply look at computers and software in a different way that many of us do.
And thank the Lord I do, so I actually enjoy more games and things than most of you here. I look at the positives, while most here concentrate on the negatives.
It's true and I won't argue that. People on this forum are extremely put off by some negatives compared to most people who don't frequent forums. The idea of spending money on a new OS that isn't necessarily a complete improvement isn't appealing to many people, including myself. And when an OS starts to become an exercise in streamlining, people get particularly vocal when features they come to expect from their previous OS doesn't even make it into the newest one.
For example, I can't enjoy using a Mac OS because I don't like forced mouse acceleration. This is an issue that is insignificant for most people, but for me - the feel of how my mouse cursor moves about the screen is extremely important. It's the difference between me doing very poorly and me doing very well in Counter-Strike. Or the difference between me spending 5 minutes and 20 minutes in Photoshop doing picture editing. In other words, it's a night and day difference. But for someone who's used to mouse acceleration as opposed to 1:1 input (most people), it would be completely trivial.
Problem with shortcuts? Where?
Problem with shortcuts? Where?
Don't even bother. Some people just can't and won't accept change, even if it's for the better. No wonder the human race gets nowhere.
I installed Win 8 for a couple days on a pc i had, and I couldn't get used to it, and I had a lot of problems with things. most obvious one was the text was very blurry/pixeled compared to windows 7... even after updating everything and disabling different font settings like cleartype and font sizes.
Some games and some drivers didn't work either, so it was an easy choice to not install windows 8 on my main pc. Windows 8 to me is in the same spot Vista was... a failure and I will be hopeful for windows 9, but not holding my breath.
Theres actually nothing wrong with windows 7 so i'll stay with it... only thing that would change my mind is if they updated windows 8 to drastically outperform windows 7.
I installed Win 8 for a couple days on a pc i had, and I couldn't get used to it, and I had a lot of problems with things. most obvious one was the text was very blurry/pixeled compared to windows 7... even after updating everything and disabling different font settings like cleartype and font sizes.
Some games and some drivers didn't work either, so it was an easy choice to not install windows 8 on my main pc. Windows 8 to me is in the same spot Vista was... a failure and I will be hopeful for windows 9, but not holding my breath.
Theres actually nothing wrong with windows 7 so i'll stay with it... only thing that would change my mind is if they updated windows 8 to drastically outperform windows 7.
Well depends what you mean by outperform. Windows 8 DOES run faster than Windows 7 in mostly everywhere.
As for all games and drivers that didn't work, which ones?
And sorry but you have no idea if you're comparing Windows 8 to Vista.
I haven't run into anyone that likes windows 8 that can actually into technology.
I have 8 on a laptop and I replaced it with ubuntu, with gnome.
I setup a VM for a user with windows 8.1, we had a hardy laugh when he started using it.
I haven't run into anyone that likes windows 8 that can actually into technology.
I have 8 on a laptop and I replaced it with ubuntu, with gnome.
I setup a VM for a user with windows 8.1, we had a hardy laugh when he started using it.
We use some servers with Server 2012 and some desktops already have Windows 8.1 and they work fine (a few things here and there but that always happens with each new server OS or desktop OS)
Users just needed a bit of training and then they just spent the rest of their time on the desktop.
I'm into technology and I use Windows 8.1 fine, just like I used Windows 7.
Same point as before, it depends on the user and if they are willing to learn or not.
Really no point responding to you though cause you think Linux is the best thing since sliced bread, which is fine I guess.
@KHAndAnime: So, he's automatically not tech savvy just because he doesn't know what mouse polling rate is?
Dude, that's kinda close minded thinking right there. I major in computer programming and I don't even know what that is neither. But now I do because I read the posts, thanks for the education.
But actually, I said "Dude" because there are LOTS of things to learn about computers.....
Computer technology is a HUGE world. So, don't call someone out just because they don't know what a mouse polling rate is.
On topic, well, from my experience, windowns 8 seems like a downgrade. But I only played with it for 2 days. My little step sister had a new computer with windows 8 in it and Sims 3 kept crashing in create a character screen. This was actually a very common problem with the game on windows 8. It's Windows 8 that was causing it. So, my step dad sold the computer, and bought a new one with windows 7 in it and it now works fine.
That's the only experience I had with it. But I also heard that there are many other problems that are for sure Win 8's problems. I found this out when I was trying to fix the computer when I had 2 days with it. I did some research and found out that there were sooo many problems like that, that are specifically for sure windows 8's fault.
So it does really loook like a pos from my perspective so far lol.
On topic, well, from my experience, windowns 8 seems like a downgrade. But I only played with it for 2 days. My little step sister had a new computer with windows 8 in it and Sims 3 kept crashing in create a character screen. This was actually a very common problem with the game on windows 8. It's Windows 8 that was causing it. So, my step dad sold the computer, and bought a new one with windows 7 in it and it now works fine.
That's the only experience I had with it. But I also heard that there are many other problems that are for sure Win 8's problems. I found this out when I was trying to fix the computer when I had 2 days with it. I did some research and found out that there were sooo many problems like that, that are specifically for sure windows 8's fault.
So it does really loook like a pos from my perspective so far lol.
But that happens with EVERY new Microsoft OS, until they bring out patches and fixes. Everyone praises Windows 7 (which imo is a great OS), but it too had issues at launch.
I say to you do this and then come back and give an opinion: install the 8.1 update, then install Start8, then use it for a month or so. Then go and use Windows 7. You will see they are the same OS just with Win8 faster and a few things better here and there.
You can't just say a whole OS is bad because one particular game you play doesn't work. There are games that to this day still don't work properly with Win7. Have you tried running The Sims 3 in compatibility mode? Have you tried any fixes you can find? A friend plays it on his 8.1 no issues.
I haven't run into anyone that likes windows 8 that can actually into technology.
I have 8 on a laptop and I replaced it with ubuntu, with gnome.
I setup a VM for a user with windows 8.1, we had a hardy laugh when he started using it.
We use some servers with Server 2012 and some desktops already have Windows 8.1 and they work fine (a few things here and there but that always happens with each new server OS or desktop OS)
Users just needed a bit of training and then they just spent the rest of their time on the desktop.
I'm into technology and I use Windows 8.1 fine, just like I used Windows 7.
Same point as before, it depends on the user and if they are willing to learn or not.
Really no point responding to you though cause you think Linux is the best thing since sliced bread, which is fine I guess.
Powershell 3+ is baller status. We have exchange 2013, but I don't even see the UI because powershell. the only people that have windows 8 here are developers for testing, it is otherwise strictly forbidden.
We'll take another look after 8.2.
Having to retrain thousands of users because microsoft accidentally the UI is a big no-no in IT. Your company must be low double digits in terms of users.
Like I said earlier, I am a windows admin. I do some linux\unix when the linux\unix guys get swamped. But MS screwed up big time.
On topic, well, from my experience, windowns 8 seems like a downgrade. But I only played with it for 2 days. My little step sister had a new computer with windows 8 in it and Sims 3 kept crashing in create a character screen. This was actually a very common problem with the game on windows 8. It's Windows 8 that was causing it. So, my step dad sold the computer, and bought a new one with windows 7 in it and it now works fine.
That's the only experience I had with it. But I also heard that there are many other problems that are for sure Win 8's problems. I found this out when I was trying to fix the computer when I had 2 days with it. I did some research and found out that there were sooo many problems like that, that are specifically for sure windows 8's fault.
So it does really loook like a pos from my perspective so far lol.
But that happens with EVERY new Microsoft OS, until they bring out patches and fixes. Everyone praises Windows 7 (which imo is a great OS), but it too had issues at launch.
I say to you do this and then come back and give an opinion: install the 8.1 update, then install Start8, then use it for a month or so. Then go and use Windows 7. You will see they are the same OS just with Win8 faster and a few things better here and there.
You can't just say a whole OS is bad because one particular game you play doesn't work. There are games that to this day still don't work properly with Win7. Have you tried running The Sims 3 in compatibility mode? Have you tried any fixes you can find? A friend plays it on his 8.1 no issues.
Don't delude yourself.
Windows XP was praised on launch and so was 7.
Microsoft follows the "every other major release is good" approach.
3.11 good
95 bad (version 4)
98 good (version 4)
Me bad (version 4)
xp good (version 5)
vista bad (version 6)
7 good (version 6.1)
8 bad (version 6.2)
Powershell 3+ is baller status. We have exchange 2013, but I don't even see the UI because powershell. the only people that have windows 8 here are developers for testing, it is otherwise strictly forbidden.
We'll take another look after 8.2.
Having to retrain thousands of users because microsoft accidentally the UI is a big no-no in IT. Your company must be low double digits in terms of users.
Like I said earlier, I am a windows admin. I do some linux\unix when the linux\unix guys get swamped. But MS screwed up big time.
Maybe read next time properly?
I said SOME desktops. We have tried bringing in a few Windows 8 computer to some users to see the reaction. We basically told the PC to start to desktop, while including the most used apps on the start screen.
Did the seas burn?
Did the heavens fall?
Nope, we trained the new users and they were back to normal in a few days after asking a few questions. Basically just stuck with desktop mode. GOSH !!! SURPRISE !!! PEOPLE CAN LEARN !!! OMFG !!!
Most of our PCs are Windows 7, and will continue to be, but like any good IT company we test new technologies as they come along. As for low double digits, the main company we maintain is around 400-500 users across all of Australia (multi-region offices interconnected by VPNs, RDPs and other ways), as well as other companies that range anywhere between 50 users to 300 users, so I believe I have a wide variety of experience and different setups to maintain, apart from the fact I've been in IT for the past 20 years.
As for your second post, do you even remember the launch of WinXP? It had issues. The same complaints I see from Windows 8 now on these same forums (uhhh, my game doesn't work.... uhhh, my drive doesnt work, uhhh....Windows XP is shit)
Where you even doing domain work back then? or are you just talking about XP Home while running a few videos and songs? Only reason it "might" had been praised is because it was after Windows ME, which was Microsoft's worst OS in history.
And yes, MS has always done the "every other major release is good" scheme. Thankfully they finally broke it with Window 8.1.
Well, I have come to a pass with Windows 8. I've tried desperately to like it, but it failed ever so miserably. The fact you cannot turn off driver signing makes win8 all but unusable to me. You can't even bring up the F8 menu for cripes sake!
I can understand redoing the interface to suit new technology. I have no problem with this. But when you nerf features and break things that are necessary for you to use the programs and drivers that you want to use, it makes the operating system useless.
I know there's going to be a white knight or two to tell me that I actually don't need to use drivers that aren't signed for whatever reasons, but I do. Period.
The only improvement that they have made with win8 is that the OS loads quicker. This could and should have been done with Vista.
When I bought my laptop it had 8 on it, I was down to try it and hoped it was gonna be good. After using it for a little while it became a disaster. I didn't even use my laptop that much, barely even had anything on it, kept it clean. But all of a sudden I started getting all kinds of errors when my laptop would boot up. I've tried fixing it in many different ways but nothing changed. So I got rid of 8, installed 7 Ultimate and 8 months later it's still running flawlessly! Plus, some games won't even run on 8. I'll be using 7 for a long while more.
Powershell 3+ is baller status. We have exchange 2013, but I don't even see the UI because powershell. the only people that have windows 8 here are developers for testing, it is otherwise strictly forbidden.
We'll take another look after 8.2.
Having to retrain thousands of users because microsoft accidentally the UI is a big no-no in IT. Your company must be low double digits in terms of users.
Like I said earlier, I am a windows admin. I do some linux\unix when the linux\unix guys get swamped. But MS screwed up big time.
Maybe read next time properly?
I said SOME desktops. We have tried bringing in a few Windows 8 computer to some users to see the reaction. We basically told the PC to start to desktop, while including the most used apps on the start screen.
Did the seas burn?
Did the heavens fall?
Nope, we trained the new users and they were back to normal in a few days after asking a few questions. Basically just stuck with desktop mode. GOSH !!! SURPRISE !!! PEOPLE CAN LEARN !!! OMFG !!!
Most of our PCs are Windows 7, and will continue to be, but like any good IT company we test new technologies as they come along. As for low double digits, the main company we maintain is around 400-500 users across all of Australia (multi-region offices interconnected by VPNs, RDPs and other ways), as well as other companies that range anywhere between 50 users to 300 users, so I believe I have a wide variety of experience and different setups to maintain, apart from the fact I've been in IT for the past 20 years.
As for your second post, do you even remember the launch of WinXP? It had issues. The same complaints I see from Windows 8 now on these same forums (uhhh, my game doesn't work.... uhhh, my drive doesnt work, uhhh....Windows XP is shit)
Where you even doing domain work back then? or are you just talking about XP Home while running a few videos and songs? Only reason it "might" had been praised is because it was after Windows ME, which was Microsoft's worst OS in history.
And yes, MS has always done the "every other major release is good" scheme. Thankfully they finally broke it with Window 8.1.
Why do you guys test new things on users and not yourselves?
Don't delude yourself.
Windows XP was praised on launch and so was 7.
Microsoft follows the "every other major release is good" approach.
3.11 good
95 bad (version 4)
98 good (version 4)
Me bad (version 4)
xp good (version 5)
vista bad (version 6)
7 good (version 6.1)
8 bad (version 6.2)
Windows XP got panned really bad by those who preferred Windows 2000. ME got panned not because it was bad. It just didn't have tangible benefits compared to Windows 98 SE. If Win ME crashed, most likely Win 95/98 would crash too.
Vista got panned and rightly so. It was a hog even for systems where it worked. Still, it's quite okay now at SP2. I haven't seen a need to replace it with Windows 7 or Windows 8.
If I had to compare them all, I'd say XP gave the most compatibility issues at release. Back then, there were people with Windows 95/98/ME plus those who used Windows NT and 2000. There were a lot more problems to deal with.
The main problem with Vista was a lack of optimization. There was nothing anyone can do until MS released the service packs.
I didn't see too many issues with Windows 8 aside from unfamiliarity with Metro. Games didn't seem to have too many problems. The desktop image I posted showed the games I have installed on that laptop. Most apps I had either worked fine or had a new compatible version by Day 1.
Why do you guys test new things on users and not yourselves?
Cause it's fun (insert evil laugh), hahahahhha...
Nah, we test things ourselves first of course, but we understand computers so it's not the same as a user using it. Worst case scenario we can put Start8 on it or something if the user really can't get used to it, but so far no one has had major issues.
We mostly buy PCs that come with Windows 7 installed, and probably will be for more years to come, but there is nothing wrong with testing the waters of new technology.
The fact you cannot turn off driver signing makes win8 all but unusable to me.
I swear, people don't even take a minute to research these days. The amount of time they spend complaining on a forum, they would have fixed the problem they were complaining about in the first place.
And the F8 menu is still there, it just works different. Do some research as to why and how MS has changed the boot sequence and you'll be amazed.
http://www.howtogeek.com/167723/how-to-disable-driver-signature-verification-on-64-bit-windows-8.1-so-that-you-can-install-unsigned-drivers/
And there's nothing "white knight" about not using signed drivers, it just means MS hasn't gotten around to testing them yet. Heck, I rarely use signed drivers or else half my devices wouldn't work (although MS seem to test a lot more these days). To criticize an OS because some drivers you need aren't digitally signed is laughable.
im not really sure what everyones problem is with Win8.... if you want something, you just type the name. you dont even have to search for it with the mouse.
want your control panel? type control panel.
want battlefield 4? type battlefield 4
want display settings? type display settings
its just that easy.... what is the problem?
The problem is that people hate change. It's a normal human attribute.
Something can come along that is ten times better than what a person has, but that person will generally still choose the old item because they are used to it.
If Windows 8 had the normal menu, everybody would be using it and praising it (you can still get it like that with Start8). But they do a new menu and everybody goes crazy.
Heh, I must be an alien or something, I switched to Linux because I wanted a radical change lol.
Metro is pure trash, i dont use any of their stupid full screep apps or the BS menu, start 8 or whatever fixed all those problems. Besides that, windows 8 seems to run much better than 7.
Gotta admit, there are many positive and negative things about Windows 8. It's one of the the most controversial Microsoft operating system ever. It's perfect for some and it's bad for others.
All I gotta say is... just try it out and be the judge.
If I had to choose for my next computer build, i would choose windows 7 just to be safe. I don't want to risk going through all the hassle to just get the games fixed or never be able to fix them or any other issues that I might encounter. Besides, I am perfectly fine with Windows 7. 8 is not much of an improvement and you will more likely to encounter problems.
One thing I observed with Windows 8 is it can now install and run my original 2-CD copy of IL2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles. I had given it up for dead after it refused to install on both Windows Vista and Windows 7. That's one more thing tilting me towards Windows 8.
One thing I observed with Windows 8 is it can now install and run my original 2-CD copy of IL2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles. I had given it up for dead after it refused to install on both Windows Vista and Windows 7. That's one more thing tilting me towards Windows 8.
There are a few fixes for IL2 and Windows 7 on the internet. I'm guessing you have tried them?
One thing I observed with Windows 8 is it can now install and run my original 2-CD copy of IL2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles. I had given it up for dead after it refused to install on both Windows Vista and Windows 7. That's one more thing tilting me towards Windows 8.
There are a few fixes for IL2 and Windows 7 on the internet. I'm guessing you have tried them?
Tried every legal way of installing it: compatibility settings, admin settings, etc on both Vista and 7. No go.
Inserted the CD in Win 8.1. Install went like clockwork; by the numbers. No jumping through hoops.
I'll probably uninstall it (IL2:FB) from my laptop (Win 8.1) because I now have a dedicated Win XP desktop.
I now have Win 8.1, Win 7, Win Vista, and Win XP computers in my den. If I can scrounge up another case and DDR RAM, I'll have enough parts for a Win 2000 box (or Win98SE).
One thing I observed with Windows 8 is it can now install and run my original 2-CD copy of IL2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles. I had given it up for dead after it refused to install on both Windows Vista and Windows 7. That's one more thing tilting me towards Windows 8.
There are a few fixes for IL2 and Windows 7 on the internet. I'm guessing you have tried them?
Tried every legal way of installing it: compatibility settings, admin settings, etc on both Vista and 7. No go.
Inserted the CD in Win 8.1. Install went like clockwork; by the numbers. No jumping through hoops.
It's funny when you get things like that hey?
I remember there was no way to get an old game (don't remember which one) to work on WinXP. Tried everything for weeks/months. It worked on Win98 and WinME perfectly, but XP said no no.
Then all of a sudden it worked with Vista first go, hahahahaha.
Windows 8 is fine, well 8.1 is. Now waiting for SteamOS to be a viable alternative to Windows 9? Jesus Christ, you do realize SteamOS is only big picture mode in a silly console-esque PC setup right? It's not going to even come close to competing with Windows.
Anyway, there's a chance that MS will further improve W8 with a future update, so you might wanna hang in there.
Obviously it's not going to compete with Windows because it's not meant to. It's supposed to be an alternative for gaming.
I still can't for the love of me figure out why people want the old style 20 year old start menu back. It takes an ungodly amount of clicks to simply access a program. You have to click start, then all programs, then the program folder and then finally the program that you want to simply open a program. It's such an old fashioned and slow method to open files. With Windows 8.1 you simply either use the search function, type the first 3 or 4 letters of your program and hit enter or hit the windows key on your keyboard and click the program. Microsoft has essentially cut out a ton of needless steps to opening files. But I guess if you like doing things the inefficient way that's what you like.
Why do you guys test new things on users and not yourselves?
Cause it's fun (insert evil laugh), hahahahhha...
Nah, we test things ourselves first of course, but we understand computers so it's not the same as a user using it. Worst case scenario we can put Start8 on it or something if the user really can't get used to it, but so far no one has had major issues.
We mostly buy PCs that come with Windows 7 installed, and probably will be for more years to come, but there is nothing wrong with testing the waters of new technology.
You guys don't have your own image?
Don't delude yourself.
Windows XP was praised on launch and so was 7.
Microsoft follows the "every other major release is good" approach.
3.11 good
95 bad (version 4)
98 good (version 4)
Me bad (version 4)
xp good (version 5)
vista bad (version 6)
7 good (version 6.1)
8 bad (version 6.2)
Windows XP got panned really bad by those who preferred Windows 2000. ME got panned not because it was bad. It just didn't have tangible benefits compared to Windows 98 SE. If Win ME crashed, most likely Win 95/98 would crash too.
Vista got panned and rightly so. It was a hog even for systems where it worked. Still, it's quite okay now at SP2. I haven't seen a need to replace it with Windows 7 or Windows 8.
If I had to compare them all, I'd say XP gave the most compatibility issues at release. Back then, there were people with Windows 95/98/ME plus those who used Windows NT and 2000. There were a lot more problems to deal with.
The main problem with Vista was a lack of optimization. There was nothing anyone can do until MS released the service packs.
I didn't see too many issues with Windows 8 aside from unfamiliarity with Metro. Games didn't seem to have too many problems. The desktop image I posted showed the games I have installed on that laptop. Most apps I had either worked fine or had a new compatible version by Day 1.
2k was almost exclusively sold to corporate customers.
Why do you guys test new things on users and not yourselves?
Cause it's fun (insert evil laugh), hahahahhha...
Nah, we test things ourselves first of course, but we understand computers so it's not the same as a user using it. Worst case scenario we can put Start8 on it or something if the user really can't get used to it, but so far no one has had major issues.
We mostly buy PCs that come with Windows 7 installed, and probably will be for more years to come, but there is nothing wrong with testing the waters of new technology.
You guys don't have your own image?
We used to with Windows XP, all nice with logo and stuff, but no one has bothered to do it with Windows 7, too busy.
We normally get the Workstation Pro Desktops from HP for our clients, so it comes with Windows 7 installed and with no bloatware or anything extra. Straight in.
@GummiRaccoon: MS wanted the public to stick with Win9x during W2k's time. But, there were boxed copies of W2k in office supply stores. Once word got out how much more stable and workable W2k is compared to Win9x and NT, most of the tech savvy guys like us moved to W2k. That's all that mattered to me.
I mean I kept a Win9X PC just in case. But, I was one of those who wholeheartedly moved to W2k. I was pretty active at Ars Technica back in W2k's time. No DIY-er would be caught dead using Win9X/ME. All went with W2k.
@jun_aka_pekto: doesn't remember the endless driver and game compatibility problems with 2k until xp came out.
It wasn't endless driver and game compatibility. Considering W2k's glory days with DIY-ers were pretty limited (a year, maybe a year and a half) driver support was pretty good.
If I remember correctly, European Air War was pretty problematic with W2k. But, it started working with XP. On the other hand, Jane's World War 2 Fighters worked with W2k (even if it wasn't advertised as doing so). But, it totally quit working with XP.
Edit
I can't remember where where I put the rest of my W2k screenies from long ago. But, this one from 2001 shows 9 game shortcuts although I can only recognize six: Jane's WW2 Fighters, Combat Flight Simulator 2, Close Combat 2, Dungeon Keeper 2, C&C Tiberian Sun, and HL: Opposing Force. A lot of Win9X games that wouldn't work with W2k also didn't work with XP. The new ones supported both.
XP got very good at game compatibility as it should considering how long it was in use. But, when it first came out, it was hit and miss just like W2k except with different games. In any case, we had the same grumbling that went on with every new Windows OS.
@jun_aka_pekto: doesn't remember the endless driver and game compatibility problems with 2k until xp came out.
The fact you cannot turn off driver signing makes win8 all but unusable to me.
I swear, people don't even take a minute to research these days. The amount of time they spend complaining on a forum, they would have fixed the problem they were complaining about in the first place.
And the F8 menu is still there, it just works different. Do some research as to why and how MS has changed the boot sequence and you'll be amazed.
http://www.howtogeek.com/167723/how-to-disable-driver-signature-verification-on-64-bit-windows-8.1-so-that-you-can-install-unsigned-drivers/
And there's nothing "white knight" about not using signed drivers, it just means MS hasn't gotten around to testing them yet. Heck, I rarely use signed drivers or else half my devices wouldn't work (although MS seem to test a lot more these days). To criticize an OS because some drivers you need aren't digitally signed is laughable.
I know all about that one there buddy. You have to do that EVERYTIME you turn on your computer. That is, turn pc on, set f8 screen, reboot, then you can use your computer. It is a work around and not a fix. With Win7, you simply did the bcdedit command or used the group policy editor and test mode was permanent. No longer.
Just face the fact that I have found real reasons to think that Windows 8 sucks besides issues with the metro interface. You just can't stand the fact that your precious little Win8 isn't loved by all.
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