Windows 8 sucks

Well, in Win7 you simply hit the windows key and then start typing and search results would come up. In Win8, you either have to touch the upper right corner of the screen, which is a little tricky when you have dual monitors, or press winkey+s. So, in win8,there's an extra step. Which is a step backwards from Win7. You should hit the winkey, and search comes up along with the list of programs. I don't see why they changed this in win8.

The same happens in windows 8. only difference is that the modernUI comes up instead of the startmenu, but it takes the same number of steps/clicks.

hmm ... lol... I just never bothered to try to type. I just assumed because there was no prompt that you couldn't do that.

Don't have ssd, have a 1 tb WD sata hdd, win8 boots up within 10 secs.

Seldom use metro ui but useful for utilities that you use every now and then but don't want to clutter up your desktop with icons.

Performs more efficently for program startups etc.

Apart from the performance its just windows 7 with another ui on top.

The direct x 11.2 isn't implmented in enough games to be a sellling point imo.

So if your happy with win 7 stick with it but win8 to me is a solid OS and no vista.

So do you install drivers EVERY TIME you turn on your PC?

correct.

it's technically a good OS, it's not that, but the user experience is pure downhill compared to Win7. also the effort to combine touchscreen OS and desktop OS failed miserably, because it ends up giving half-assed experience to both, instead of giving completely optimized experience to either one.

in short, MS ruined decades worth of refined desktop UI development in favor of a touchscreen trend. i don't quite like that.

I don't agree. Even though 8.1 fixed most of the issues with the UI on the desktop side, some people still have trouble navigating it with a mouse and keyboard.

But for touch devices the UI works perfect. Heaps better than iPad and Android devices. You just use your fingers on the edges.

wrong. in windows 8, all you have to do is hit the windows key to go to the metro menu and start typing. no other shortcuts required.

i respectfully disagree.

It's bad marketing and change. Windows 8 (and 8.1) are not less functional or harder to use. It's the same problem they're having with the Xbox One.

Everyone screamed that they were bored with Windows bored with their consoles. They all want the next NEW thing.

So Microsoft created something that was actually new (Windows 8 being everything that Windows 7 was with some actual NEW functionality that makes it useful in more places than just the desktop).

And everyone's reaction to the first actual innovation on the MS desktop in over a dozen years by flipping the **** out.

Exact same thing with Xbox One vs PS4. Microsoft tries to expand what you can do with your console (while still letting you do everything you did before) and everyone flips out. Sony makes a faster PS3 and calls it the PS4 and gamers fall all over themselves.

You want to get mad at Microsoft for changing the mix? Look at the phone in your pocket. Everyone's buying gadgets. No one's buying PC's. The self-destructive trend is already in full swing. PC's are no longer getting better. All the PC/GPU chip makers have stopped trying to make a better PC. They're just trying to cram what they already have into smaller packages with lower battery costs. So even if the market were to change gears and want to buy PC's again... There's really nothing new out there to buy.

Microsoft had to follow the market. You want to get mad at Windows 8? You're the reason it exists.

You have to permanently disable driver signing in order for unsigned drivers to work. That's just the way it works.

Sorry, but Win8 is broken. It's not that it's new, it's that they removed and changed things in such a way that some things don't work anymore.

I've yet to find anything I can't do in Windows 8 that I could do in Windows 7.

I had a talk with a friend about it the other day, who is a network administrator. we both came to the conclusion that 8 is like the new vista. The 7 was good and we will have to wait tiill the 9 comes out to have a product that truly is better then the 7. It is the tradition of microsoft, to bring out a crap windows version after a good one.

Guess he's not a very good network administrator since we have some Windows 8 Desktops (and Windows Servers 2012) on the network and they haven't caused as any grief at all.... Vista sure did.

That is so weird cause I have unsigned drivers and I never had to go into advanced settings to change anything.

What driver is causing all this?

Good news if you have a fatal1ty motherboard you can change the polling rate. I swapped motherboards and rocking Win 8.1

With start8 installed, the os is just much better. It's way faster than Win7.

But Jiggs, it has a new menu so the rest of the OS must be shit right?

There are a lot of things I don't like with the policies. I can't get my apple keyboard to be recognized as supporting the official 500ma per port. Forcing uac completely off via the registry breaks all metro apps and some applications like Dropbox's overlay...

The wireless manager does not exist anymore(I meantioned this in another thread, this is for viewing saved information)

Basically the OS is worse in terms of usability, but it's incredibly fast. I'm willing to give up a few things for the speed.

The new interface is much cleaner too(Window designs etc), especially with start8. Another bonus is that I used to use WIndows classic in windows 7 because there is a noticeable performance difference. Windows classic isn't too pretty and stopped my Internet browsers from running at 144hz. Disabling aero in Windows 7 made them run at 60hz(they need aero to run above 60hz), but in Windows 8 there is no aero anymore. No performance hit, and I get my browser silky smooth at 144hz.

I agree. Removing the wireless manager was a dumb thing to do. Rumours are it's coming back in future update.

In the meantime if you need to use the wireless manager a lot there is this: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/wifi-profile-manager-windows-8

UAC I don't really need to deactivate through registry cause for me it's just an extra click or enter key.

As for your apple keyboard... why oh why oh why Jiggs? there are such awesome keyboards out there and you choose that one? lol....

The instant actuation is just so nice. I type the fastest on them as well... but they aren't for everyone

A few people tried it and they liked the feel but they kept making typos due to having large hands.

I used Start is Back, which made me feel like I was back on on Windows 7, however, still I prefer Windows 7 and inevitably switched back to it. To be honest, I could never tell a different in start up speeds. I honestly wouldn't be hesitant to say that Windows 7 starts up faster for me than Windows 8.

I have a Samsung 840 pro though.

I'm on 2x120gb vertex 3's in RAID 0. I also upgraded a random computer from 7 to 8.1 with a mechanical HD and that's where Windows 8.1 shines the most I think.

Not I, I never even asked for a new version of Windows. Windows 7 was good enough for me that MS never had to make a new one. But Win8 made me think that the whole mobile "modern" UI was going to be the trend from here on out, as well as the bullshit microsoft account, and cloud garbage I never wanted finally made me turn to Linux, I never even gave Linux a second thought before win8 came along, thats how crappy it was to me. I'm glad I gave Linux a chance though, it really is a great OS.

"Windows 8 is complicated and confusing. So I switched to Linux? " You might want to run after your credibility. It just sailed out the window.

As for the rest of your argument. Windows 7 was good enough that MS never had to make a new one? Well there's logic that'll put any company right out of business.

windows 8 is a darn smartphone OS.

Who cares about a company and their greed. Its all about making the perfect product for me.

So true. Windows 8 is probably the easiest WinOS to ever be released, apart from the fact that you have to "learn" the new menu which takes a few hours.

The second point made me laugh. By that mindset Windows 95 was a good OS so MS should have never released another one. It's not only business to release new operating systems, it's also keeping up with technology.

Eventually (and it looks like they're going to get there sooner than later), metro, modern, or whatever you want to call the new UI will be a common feature that allows Windows Store apps to run on windows phone, tablet, xbox, or PC. That's where they're heading and it's not a bad things at all. There will still be windows desktop apps that run on PC's (and windows store apps will run in a window, so should kill the fuss over the start screen). There will still be Xbox games that run only on Xbox, but you'll have a new group of apps that you can get once and run anywhere (within the Windows ecosystem, anyway).

That's a good thing and I've never seen such a huge backlash against an idea.

I blame marketing, ignorance, and most of all attitude. A very vocal minority (that drives a lot of buzz because they're loud on the internet) really want to see Microsoft fail.

The keyword is CHANGE, it's a normal human attribute that a person doesn't like change. Be it on Windows, in life, at work, relationships, everything.

Someone could come along with something better than what a person has, but 8 out of 10 times that person will still prefer the old system because they are used to it and don't want to learn something new.

Change isn't a necessity when it comes to UI - a UI is preference. An OS, to most people, for most intents and purposes, is simply a UI. We've hit a wall of diminishing returns in terms to improvements to UI. It's plainly obvious Microsoft struggles to justify a need for a new UI. It's also obvious they're pushing to streamline the platform, and lock it down. Basically, they're becoming more like Apple with each new OS release. People who are accustomed to Windows aren't used to this new Apple line of thinking. I'm sure those accustomed to Windows find that if other people want their platform to become like a Mac so much - those people can buy a Mac.

So you think a 30 year old Start Menu didn't need a revamp?

And MS struggles to justify the new UI? No, it's the users that struggle to adopt it cause they don't want to learn or try new things. The new UI was needed since we live in the era of mobility and tablets, like it or not. Thankfully MS realized it was awkward to use with KB/Mouse and therefore with 8.1 improved it in that area.

And I keep on laughing when people say "lock it down". People really need to learn the difference between the Desktop OS and the App Store, they aren't the same thing for Christs Sake.

But hey, you are basically proving Mcfartypants' point, things can't go forward because there are always those loud people that hate change.

I can access any program I want in under 2 seconds. Why do you think it needs a revamp?

Also, why do you think consumers should be forced to adopt to something they don't want? Shouldn't it be the business adapting to the consumer's wants? Sounds like you're really into tyrannical business tactics and not much into defending the consumer point of view. Can't adapt to change? You're the one who thinks anything ouside of the traditional publisher-developer relationship is hedonistic, for reasons you still can't justify other than "it's different! therefore we're getting ripped off!".

"I can access any program I want in under 2 seconds. Why do you think it needs a revamp?"

I could access the program I wanted in Windows 3.1 with a double click of it on the desktop, does that mean we should still be using Windows 3.1 UI?

"Also, why do you think consumers should be forced to adopt to something they don't want?"

As in a better menu that works both if you're using a tablet or a desktop? Have you tried to use the normal start menu from Win7/WinXP on a touch tablet from years ago?

Are you saying that MS is wrong in providing the same OS experience across ANY device you are using? Are you saying most consumers don't want this?

Again, open your mind up instead of living in the past and see what MS is really trying to do with their new ecosystem.

3.1 is fucking ugly. Windows 7 looks fine. Is this really the first argument that came to mind? You can search up any file instantly in Windows 7 - you couldn't do that in 3.1. You also can't improve upon that type of functionality by a huge margin.

If the functionality is fine, people SHOULD be able to use 3.1-styled UI if they want. I don't give a shit. You just love pushing UNNECESSARY shit on people, don't you?

You just proved my point. The start menu has been evolving with each new release, yet you are the one asking why it needs a revamp. You make no sense.

Do you know what diminishing returns means Felipe? If you do, then you should understand my entire argument and my point without me needing to elaborate further. If you can't figure it out - then no amount of explanation on my behalf is going to make any sense to you.

So you basically ignored the whole topic about improving the start menu cause I got you with that and instead go to sales. Good one chap, just like you to keep bringing out random stuff instead of simply saying "you know what, I was wrong".

It's ok, you are young but one day you will learn that you're not always right, and learn to admit it. It actually makes people respect you more, trust me.

Thus proved that you don't understand the concept of diminishing returns - thus, not understanding my argument. Go study its meaning, I'll argue with you once you actually understand my argument.

Here's a tip: it has everything to do with improving the start menu. I have no idea why you're bringing sales into this.

Your argument was clear when I quoted you. You see no reason to revamp the start menu because you can find your programs in 2 seconds, yet totally ignore the other advantages of the new UI and ecosystem and totally ignore that the reason you can find those programs in that amount of time is because the MENU HAS BEEN REVAMPED BEFORE, thus you make no sense.

Right back at you, go open your mind a bit then we can talk.

My argument is still clear: diminishing returns.

Since you couldn't google the meaning of the concept, let me explain it to you : you can only improve something so much before the improvement is viewed as unsubstantial, or unworthy. In Windows 7, you can find any file on your hard drive in a mere couple of seconds. In Windows 3.1, you'd have to manually locate any file you want to find. Therefore, the upgrade in UI from 3.1 to Windows 7 is fucking tremendous.

Here's where the law of diminishing returns applies - the ability to find any file on your harddrive in seconds can only be improved a negligible amount. Really, in terms of functionality, you can't do any better in that. We've hit a point where people are finding the returns diminished.

And rightfully so - you haven't justified why in terms of functionality, Windows 8 is actually superior to Windows 7. Many people, on the other hand, have proved that it has less functionality than Windows 7 (such as not being able to adjust mouse responsiveness).

One seamless synced UI across ANY device is not "fucking tremendous"?

For the 125th time, open your mind. I still don't understand how when MS puts something like instant search on you think it's amazing, but when they want to implement something like a seamless ecosystem across any TYPE of device you are against it. Do you even use mobile device? tablets? or just have a desktop?

And heck, if you can't open your mind or understand what MS are trying to do then sad but really who cares.... except that you talk about diminishing returns like you know what you're saying.

At first, Windows 8's UI completely put me off to it, I thought it was the worst decision MS could have possibly made, and even though I have still yet to use it, I don't feel the same way about it now, not I'm just neutral about it, don't hate it, don't love it, atleast as far as the UI goes, I have a feeling that if MS doesn't make Windows more and more like a mobile OS, they will make it more and more cloud heavy. I have just warmed up to Linux alot since I started using it, and have no desire to go back to Windows really. Windows 8 isn't bad, I just don't feel the need to buy it.

I love Win 8.1 my favorite OS. I have 4 copies and 2 of them are on an SSD (gaming desktop and laptop) and this thing boots up faster than my iPad.

Why dont we just revamp the invention of a wheel and make it a octagon

Well, the wheel has been revamped quite a few times over the last 2000 years don't you think? Yes, it's still round but heck, we have wheels these days that report air pressure and auto-inflate themselves. I think that's come a long way from wooden wheels in the medieval era, don't you?

Same goes for Windows, same menu just revamped with extra features.

Microsoft, the McDonald's of the software world.

Perfect description of them LOL.

That would make Linux the random Hot Dog stand on the corner of the road.... hahahaha.

And...

But they sell damn good hot dogs!

And that video! LOLOL!