After watching killzone.... All other FPS's look like PS2 games ....

everybody has their own opinions but so far, i have yet to see a game with such realism and lighting as amazing as killzone. sure call of duty looks nice but it doesn't have physics, destructible environments, ragdoll, or any blood effects at all. BTW powerfiend, most of those games listed don'tn early look as good ask ilzone. i think the only game that would surpass it would be bioshock or mass effect but bioshock is all underwater in very tight corridors and mass effect is just really really really high poly count char models and a super fogged up bg.junk56

everybody has their own opinions but so far, i have yet to see a game with such realism and lighting as amazing as killzone.junk56

Half-Life 2 beats it in realism. But then again Half-Life 2 beats everything at that.

[QUOTE="PowerFiend"][QUOTE="Sambo234"]

[QUOTE="PowerFiend"]How am I a fanboy if I listed 4 or 5 PS3 games that also surpass KZ2? Not just that, but I'm saying multiplatform games look better than KX2 which are on the PS3 not just on the 360.Sambo234

because you're trying to downplay the game potential of a PS3 exclusive, thats why.

and I'm telling you that I think you're a fanboy because I honestly think you have to have a visual impairment to legitimately think that... unless your eyes are biased too.

I'm not trying to downplay anything, I'm just stating my opinion, which is that KZ2 doesn't look as good as other games coming out for the PS3 and 360.PowerFiend

I think the funniest thing about this statement is that you actually think anyone will buy it.

I don't usually make generalizations about someone's opinion based on what they haven't said, but it's fairly obvious that you're attempting to downplay the PS3's rising star and then mentioning other less noted PS3 games as a way of compensating for your apparent impartiality.

The only reason I bring this up is because I've being seeing a sudden influx of this damage control technique used all over system wars immediately after that trailer was shown.

Soon enough, it's going to picked apart through the use of, "that's just my opinion," statements till they hope to destroy its hype.

You may have succeeded with Resistance, but, quite frankly, I don't think it's going to work this time around guys. So you might as well quit while you're ahead.

You may have succeeded with Resistance, but, quite frankly, I don't think it's going to work this time around guys. So you might as well quit while you're ahead.Pariah_001

Resistance? What was wrong with Resistance?

Maybe it will, maybe it won't, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

I'm simply saying that you're not fooling anyone.

Resistance? What was wrong with Resistance?Ultra-Alue

Nothing. I love Resistance.

I'm saying that the infectiousness of System Wars' hype machine ended up downplaying its credibility as a better than everage shooter with a great story (including various other elements).

[QUOTE="Ultra-Alue"]Resistance? What was wrong with Resistance?Pariah_001

Nothing. I love Resistance.

I'm saying that the infectiousness of System Wars' hype machine ended up downplaying its credibility as a better than everage shooter with a great story (including various other elements).

The game had a great story but it didn't really do anything with it. It had the big mystery of the Chimera, but the game's progress was mostly told through a battle strategy from that one forgettable lady. All we found out was that the Chimera loved to turn humans into Chimera and that a bunch of masked goons were after some guy they code named grey skin (Hale lol).

Maybe it will, maybe it won't, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

I'm simply saying that you're not fooling anyone.

Pariah_001

The game had a great story but it didn't really do anything with it. It had the big mystery of the Chimera, but the game's progress was mostly told through a battle strategy from that one forgettable lady. All we found out was that the Chimera loved to turn humans into Chimera and that a bunch of masked goons were after some guy they code named grey skin (Hale lol). Ultra-Alue

Yeah, but it's only the first chapter. It was mainly about introductions and the scenario at hand. When the Black Ops game comes out, the plot will continue to thicken.

[QUOTE="Ultra-Alue"]The game had a great story but it didn't really do anything with it. It had the big mystery of the Chimera, but the game's progress was mostly told through a battle strategy from that one forgettable lady. All we found out was that the Chimera loved to turn humans into Chimera and that a bunch of masked goons were after some guy they code named grey skin (Hale lol). Pariah_001

Yeah, but it's only the first chapter. It was mainly about introductions and the scenario at hand. When the Black Ops game comes out, the plot will continue to thicken.

I can't wait till late 08 when Resistance 2 comes out.

How am I a fanboy if I listed 4 or 5 PS3 games that also surpass KZ2? Not just that, but I'm saying multiplatform games look better than KZ2 which are on the PS3 not just on the 360.PowerFiend

you do know that was pre-alpha right? and that it was only one single level.

I can't wait till late 08 when Resistance 2 comes out.Ultra-Alue

Indeed.

I imagine that, aside from Hale, you might be able to play as Parker in the sequel. I know that eventually we'll be able to play a Black Ops character since that's what the game was previously developed for.

[QUOTE="PowerFiend"]I'm not trying to downplay anything, I'm just stating my opinion, which is that KZ2 doesn't look as good as other games coming out for the PS3 and 360.Pariah_001

I think the funniest thing about this statement is that you actually think anyone will buy it.

I don't usually make generalizations about someone's opinion based on what they haven't said, but it's fairly obvious that you're attempting to downplay the PS3's rising star and then mentioning other less noted PS3 games as a way of compensating for your apparent impartiality.

The only reason I bring this up is because I've being seeing a sudden influx of this damage control technique used all over system wars immediately after that trailer was shown.

Soon enough, it's going to picked apart through the use of, "that's just my opinion," statements till they hope to destroy its hype.

You may have succeeded with Resistance, but, quite frankly, I don't think it's going to work this time around guys. So you might as well quit while you're ahead.

lmfao dude I bow down to you, the ownage comment you just said.....lmfao I couldnt agree with you more. All I see around System Wars is people now trying to downplay the KZ2 trailer whoever does in my opinion is a total idiot.

[QUOTE="PowerFiend"]COD4 looks way better than Killzone 2. Halo 3 looks awsome as well, and MGS4 looks better as well.Sambo234

go away fanboy

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I find it funny that you point out all the flaws in CoD4 but you haven't pointed out any flaws in KZ2. Fanboy?

The thing is, we already know that flaws exist in Killzone's PPA (pre-pre-alpha). I don't think it's been denied that some of the textures in the environment aren't done being polished.

What that picture tries to point out is that all of the people saying, "CoD4 looks better," are absolutely ignoring its own flaws as a way of drawing attention away from the new system-selling rival Killzone.

People who think CoD4 looks better are either blind or stupid, of all the big name shooters shown in E3, CoD 4 is clearly the least impressive. Even Halo 3 visuals can easily walk all over this game, but then again this franchise isn't know for its engine and fancy graphics. More than anything the CoD franchise can be considered as the Madden of the shooter world. There's at least one new CoD game eachyear and every sequel is a feature creep of the previous one in terms of gameplay and visuals. Unless Infinity Ward can come up with something amazing and different on the next game CoD 4 will be where this series jump the shark.

[QUOTE="Ultra-Alue"][QUOTE="Sambo234"][QUOTE="Ultra-Alue"]

[QUOTE="PowerFiend"]KZ uses heavy post process effects to hide alot of it's flaws, such as depth of field, blurring constantly, a dark world with a 2 tone color pallete, the list goes on. The textures aren't the best either, and the shadows aren't amazing.Sambo234

Too true. Right now Killzone 2's biggest strengths are the amount of polygons it uses in it's character models. Which is impressive. And another nice touch is that the enviroments are filled with obstacles and things to take cover behind, so you shouldn't be running around giant empty rooms. Which can be considered a good or bad thing, depending on how good the friendly AI is because you may find yourself being trapped by your friends just because they don't know when to move or get out of your way.

Another thing to consider is the scope of Killzone 2, while we only saw one level it's fairly easy to tell what the game will be like. Games like Halo 3 are less detailed then Killzone 2 because it deals with large immersive areas with tons of space. Killzone 2 looks like you will mostly be dealing with the Helghast in tight industrial style areas and more claustrophobic enviroments. Something like Chronicles of Riddick, Doom 3, or FEAR. Hopefully they offer more variety. But it'd be nothing we haven't seen before most likely.

come on man, you've seen one level and you're already making huge generalizations and accusations of the game. wait till you actually the the levels till you become so critical.

Well considering how you are doing the exact same thing, I think it's only fair.

I mean you've only seen a minute of footage. ZOMG BEST GAME EVER!

well I can tell you from what I've seen I like, but you also can't just assume what the rest of the game is going to have or where it's going to take place. I can tell you, from the plot, gameplay, and graphical impressions so far, I am very excited about this game.

by the way, why is no one mentioning Fracture, the game looks like its going to be really fun. (zomg multiplat)

Lol I love these fanboys. "KZ2 sux it won't even reach the trailer quality, it's going to be flopzone2 you guys haven't even seen the game and your hyping it." E3 Sony shows it blows eveyrone out and the fanboys get KILLZOWNED! ZIING! "I mean you've only seen a minute of footage. ZOMG BEST GAME EVER!"

Well now that we've seen footage I guess it's fair for us to hype it. You guys contradict yourselves so hard it's not even funny.

can't wait for all of this games to come out! all look great! :D

Yes I understand that, and it looks amazing for pre alpha, but do you really think that that one level was pre alpha? Don't you think they spent just a little more time on that level that they were going to show? I don't know. PowerFiend

its most likely they rushed that level much like all the e3 demos. they still have a lot of work to do from now on end... see the gap from motorstorm e3 2006 to tgs 2006? thats the jump from pre alpha to beta. imagine what killzone would look like by early 2008

[QUOTE="PowerFiend"]Yes I understand that, and it looks amazing for pre alpha, but do you really think that that one level was pre alpha? Don't you think they spent just a little more time on that level that they were going to show? I don't know. junk56

its most likely they rushed that level much like all the e3 demos. they still have a lot of work to do from now on end... see the gap from motorstorm e3 2006 to tgs 2006? thats the jump from pre alpha to beta. imagine what killzone would look like by early 2008

it will look so good people with heart conditions shouldnt play it, people without heart conditions should only play it if they are pretty young and it will give all the doubters owngasms lol.... it just may destroy the space time continuum lmao but dats if we're lucky.... but all jokes aside it will be an amazing game i hope... i have high hopes for this game but it may not be dat great if guerilla doesn't include things like vehicles and other aspects of war

After reading Four pages of this I had to respond. I look at it this way....we've been waiting and waiting and waiting for more information of KZ2 for how long?? And the way that they presented KZ2 at E3 was awsome. We got to see where they are in the game and given an idea of when it's coming. And there are still people that complain.

I think that this years E3 was all Sony. MS had a good press release, but with no real direction. Sony came out blasting and showed some amazing games.

I think that KZ2 will rock. But we are all speculating on a game that we've seen about 2 minutes of. 2 WHOLE MINUTES! I think that the game will be amazing, but only time will tell.

I say hold on and see what they have to say at TGS 07.

Yes I understand that, and it looks amazing for pre alpha, but do you really think that that one level was pre alpha? Don't you think they spent just a little more time on that level that they were going to show? I don't know. PowerFiend

[QUOTE="Sambo234"]

[QUOTE="PowerFiend"]COD4 looks way better than Killzone 2. Halo 3 looks awsome as well, and MGS4 looks better as well.turaaggeli

go away fanboy

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I find it funny that you point out all the flaws in CoD4 but you haven't pointed out any flaws in KZ2. Fanboy?

not my pictures, oh and CoD4 is multiplat, so no, I'm not a fanboy... oh and if Killzone was coming out for the 360 exclusive, 360 owners would be trying to **** all over us and say it was the best game ever.

...... Killzone2 is the most realistic gameplay that's why.Dogswithguns

hellz yea!!! but of course every1 will deny it.... some kid actually had the nerve to call the PS3 the mudstation 3... that is not cool

After reading Four pages of this I had to respond. I look at it this way....we've been waiting and waiting and waiting for more information of KZ2 for how long?? And the way that they presented KZ2 at E3 was awsome. We got to see where they are in the game and given an idea of when it's coming. And there are still people that complain.

I think that this years E3 was all Sony. MS had a good press release, but with no real direction. Sony came out blasting and showed some amazing games.

I think that KZ2 will rock. But we are all speculating on a game that we've seen about 2 minutes of. 2 WHOLE MINUTES! I think that the game will be amazing, but only time will tell.

I say hold on and see what they have to say at TGS 07.

grimone01

AMEN!!! they will be revealing the new Kingdom Hearts there!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSs

Dun forget ppl, Killzone 2 is just in it's pre-alpha stage. While Halo 3 and COD4 is at it's beta stage already. Yes, the COD franchise is good, but i dun think it will be THAT good to topple Killzone 2. Killzone 2 = 135 developers and the budget for the game is high.

As for Halo 3, i dun really like too much colours for a FPS game, and most of the guns r using laser and other stuffs that does not exist in real life. As for Killzone 2, it gives me a "war feel". It's releastic, and at least all of the guns r using BULLETS and not laser technology. Halo 3 is just not THATrealeastic. As for the graphics i dun think that it would even surpass UT3 and Gears Of War. At least Killzone 2 has the potential to be the best FPS and the nicest graphics.

Sony is smart to not to release Killzone 2 this year. It gives Gulliera more time, and next year there will not have any "OMGZ" FPS to rival Killzone 2. And those Xbox360 fanboys will be shocked to see this game suprassed their halo 3. I still think that by the end of 2007 there will be alot of loyal Sony fans have a PS3. And it will sell millions of copies, u can count on that.

Dun forget ppl, Killzone 2 is just in it's pre-alpha stage. While Halo 3 and COD4 is at it's beta stage already. Yes, the COD franchise is good, but i dun think it will be THAT good to topple Killzone 2. Killzone 2 = 135 developers and the budget for the game is high.

As for Halo 3, i dun really like too much colours for a FPS game, and most of the guns r using laser and other stuffs that does not exist in real life. As for Killzone 2, it gives me a "war feel". It's releastic, and at least all of the guns r using BULLETS and not laser technology. Halo 3 is just not THATrealeastic. As for the graphics i dun think that it would even surpass UT3 and Gears Of War. At least Killzone 2 has the potential to be the best FPS and the nicest graphics.

Sony is smart to not to release Killzone 2 this year. It gives Gulliera more time, and next year there will not have any "OMGZ" FPS to rival Killzone 2. And those Xbox360 fanboys will be shocked to see this game suprassed their halo 3. I still think that by the end of 2007 there will be alot of loyal Sony fans have a PS3. And it will sell millions of copies, u can count on that.

god_of_shawn

whoot whoot!! yes bullets are much better than lasers... lol but i like call of duty and halo and gears too and all but Killzone will definitely own them lol... there is no doubt in my mind about that.... and as sony releases more and more gameplay and other things 360 fanboys will just die lmao but uhhh i do disagree with you on one thing... i do believe dat Microsoft has a game in development just to rival killzone.. but it won't work cuz their system is crap ha ha ha... i see a bright future for the PS3 :)

i don't think Halo 3 looked very good at all...

but yet Killzone looks rediculous!

Sambo234

agreed.

dont get me wrong, we're not trying to start a halo vs killzone topic here. halo looks good at its own right but the improvement from Killzone 1 to Killzone 2 is incredibly vast and killzone 1 looked really good itself. CoD on the other hand looks like COD3 with modern upgrades.... i can see it being the exact same call of duty game we all know, they aren't doing anything totally new or innovative like killzone is doing. in the end tho i think sony bragged in e3 05 and delivered now at e3 07. either way you have to be impressed by the graphics achiveved in killzone, fanboy or not...

and btw, the dark atmosphere isn't there just to hide the horrible textures (which tehre aren't a lot) but its there to give the game a more dark feel. like one of the interviewees said, without the post-processing effects, the game wouldn't look and have the same feel if it were on. i'm just very happy the characters look real and not shiny pieces of armor like almost all games using the UT3 engine. I just would like more animations for the player like setting up the bomb, jumping over the rail, reloading, cooking the grenade stuff like that... Animations defined killzone and set it apart from the other fps games.

I'm serious... ok maybe not halo, UT3 or Haze but seriously, stuff like Call of Duty 4, blacksite area 51, medal of honor,.... i can't get past they are ps3 because simply watching the killzone trailer made some games look humiliating to be on the ps3. I mean seriously i thought lair looked AMAZING going into e3 and then watching the killzone trailer.... lair looked meh...

But seriously.... if you watch CoD 4 you can see the horrible fire textures etc and scripted animations.... Especially the deaths too. Again, no physics at all in the game and hundreds of jaggies.

Watching that killzone e3 trailer really set the new bar of what Next-gen SHOULD look like. who else thinks this?

btw here's the FULL gameplay from e3... its not cut off so enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7APPge9mDUM

junk56

don't be afraid to speak the truth. "After watching killzone.... All other FPS's look like PS2 games .... " the only other FPS that looked real impressive was UT3, but compared to KZ2, mediocre. I think haze and halo3 are going to be on a similar level graphically, with a slight edge to haze. and then all of the other FPSs follow suit. and the truth because people can actually see it.

So I guess Crysis looks like a ps2 game to you too?anime-2k3

exactly or assassins.

I doubt it will be in the 360s Gears of War class.

Come on why is everybody looking so forward to a FPS from guys who their first game was crappy.

I doubt it will be in the 360s Gears of War class.

Come on why is everybody looking so forward to a FPS from guys who their first game was crappy.

svp0123

Your point is? Before iD defined the FPS genre they made nothing but crappy shareware games. What game did Bungie made before they made Halo??