Does anybody feel offended that that song was in LBP?

[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]

Yes but everybody should know what they are getting into when they watch Pat Robertson. To be honest, if I were Muslim, I might very well be offended by the song. I just don't know. It's better to be safe than sorry. Plus I would be careful about laying hypocrisy at the feet of the religiously inclined and Muslims alone. It's all over the place...

Dr-Strangelove

Please tell me you didn't just support living in a security state devoid of freedom. Because that's where "better safe than sorry" tends to lead you.

I feel you're wrong about Pat and others, common sense tells us the world is flat. Therefore a good many people don't realise Pat or other radicals are in-fact radical in comparison to other standards.

I had a extended family member myself that wrote entire paychecks off to the 700 club.

I do agree with you about hypocrisy being everywhere we look. I laid it at religions feet this time because that's what this involves.

This kind of thing is why introspection is needed on an individual level as well as a group level. If you were Muslim and offended I would hope you would stop, take a moment and analyze what exactly are you offended by? what exactly are you offended for? should you be offended at all? Instead of being completely reactionary and gagging any voice of opposition because it makes you or others uncomfortable, whether being offended is the correct reaction or not.

After taking a clearer less emotional look, choose a course of action that is equal in some way to the grievance. Like Denmark apologizing to the Islamic world yet still being boycotted and receiving death threats. That doesn't seem to be balanced at all.

Why should Sony censor something that isn't specifically targeting anyone or anything other than "souls" and the "end" of the world?

Should a passage from another holy text like, Love thy father, and thy mother. Receive the same censorship?

What I'm asking for here is a level of introspection from the people who have a hard time understanding why the use of this song could be offensive to anyone. I am not a Muslim nor am I religious. But for someone to argue for introspection on the part of the Muslims seems to be lacking introspection themselves. The game got delayed a week people. Things could have been a lot messier than this... I whole heartedly agree with being free. But I also believe in sensitivity to issues that large groups of people might deem important. This has nothing to do with censorship and everything to do with sensitivity to certain issues. There needs to be a delicate balance...

you are... Tidus: effeminate and shallowAceJakk

For some reason, after seeing shallow. I though of this saying I heard somewhere: Shallow andPedantic!

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[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"]

[QUOTE="me89me89"]Don't you just love how one person can't make a simple joke without getting attacked by people that have absolutely no affiliation with Muslims? I hate people who are politically correct and I wish this game was out already so I could be making some levels for it instead of laughing at angry people who are just looking for something to get offended about.Ultrabeatdown55

How the hell are we supposed to know that that was a joke? It suredidn'tsound like one...

Don't u people watch southpark, they make jokes like this all of the time, by the way Muslim isn't a race, so he isn't raciest, he's biased.

I never actually said he was racist but some have. And I do watch South Park but do not take itseriouslyat all because it is not meant to be takinseriously.

if it was a joke, it was a really bad one at that cuz rather than making ppl laugh it made them offended. Talk about irony.

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[QUOTE="Unknown_Hero3"]stupidest delay ive ever scene...not like that many Muslims can play games there to busy bombing peoplefinalstar2007

Wow that is rude and uncalled for...

i agree that was rude :( ,dont say stuff like that ok

Wow Unknown_Hero3 that was really uncalled for and offensive, I agree with everyone that quoted your comment. Also me89me89 how are we suppose to know that what he said is to be takin as a joke?

Anyways regarding the topic, I personally wouldn't find those phrases in LBP offensive but other muslims may since whats written in the Qu'ran is sacred.

never scene a few word make a buncha guys so mad in my life...its getting funny now Unknown_Hero3

I think you are still the only one laughing...

naw i got one guy on my side :DUnknown_Hero3

its 2 against the world. give up. u were in the wrong.

Yes because the entire world has read these forums and posted comments on this thread. Ignorant people make me laugh which is why I'm laughing now.

lol lol rofl lmao
I found more ignorance!!

all your base are belong to us.me89me89

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[QUOTE="me89me89"]all your base are belong to us.ChiSoxBombers

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your our hero!!:oops:

It's guys like you who make me laugh...i could see if i offended some normal Muslims, and to them I'm sorry..i know not all off you are like that and many are very good people living in a bad area of the world...but some of you American people sticking up with these terrorists just doest make to much sense to me...anybody wanna give it up yet...I'm still freaking pumped about LBP. GO SACKKYUnknown_Hero3

See, you did it again. Not EVERY Muslim is a terrorist. And anybody could be a terrorist. Not only Muslims... fool

and that matters why???Unknown_Hero3

Because YOU asked why we are defending THESE terrorists. Anybody can be a terrorist.

how is that racist...shall i be nice now to muslims...i love them:DUnknown_Hero3

I think the delay was rather like a cover up cause I think the whole thing can be solved by just releasing a patch. Taking back all the CDs is useless. And I think you're a retard unknown_hero3, I'm a Muslim and I play games. I think the song didn't even mean any offence to the Islamic religion from the definition of the words.

Conclusion is that there is something amiss. But if they took back cause of the song, I just feel that's very noble of Media Molecule but it is rather unnecessary.

[QUOTE="Unknown_Hero3"]OK maybe your a terrorist...it doesn't makes any sense to the thread...there really is no point to what your sayingUltrabeatdown55

Were you dropped on your head as a baby? How stupid can you be man? You are accusing all Muslims to be a damn terrorists which they are not.

/THREAD.

DO IT. NOW.

did you read my previos post you **** which clearly stated that im sorry if i offend any of you Muslims...look before you post

did you read my previos post you **** which clearly stated that im sorry if i offend any of you Muslims...look before you post

Unknown_Hero3

"but some of you American people sticking up with these terrorists just doest make to much sense to me"

You stated THESE terrorists stating that you think every terrorist is a Muslim. This was after you said you were sorry, which clearly was a lie. What an idiot...

oh, and to be back on topic, i was offended at first, but just the fact that they're fixing the problem really elated me, and really renewed my faith in that there are people out there that actually care about how they act.

I think they went too far by delaying the game tho, a patch would have worked marvelously.

oh, and to be back on topic, i was offended at first, but just the fact that they're fixing the problem really elated me, and really renewed my faith in that there are people out there that actually care about how they act.

I think they went too far by delaying the game tho, a patch would have worked marvelously.

ArabSolja99

But there are some people who dont play online. Then they cant get the patch

ultimeatly it doesn't matter what we think of it, the muslim world would have been up in arms about it, and sony is business first and a first amendment rights activist second.

as an athiest, I'm offended by religion in general.

somesthetic

hero3, congrats on being the most ignorant and insensitive bigot i have ever seen on gamespot. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound sayin: Why you Americans defending these Muslims?

First, your a jackass because im an AMERICAN Muslim, born and raised here and proud of it.

Second, your the kind of person who has no idea of what they're talking about, do you know ANYTHING about Islam at all? Other then that a few are extremsists? Those extremists or terrorists are NOT real Muslims, they do not kno how to follow the religion, they probably forgot the fundamentals in their blind support of extremism.

So, please, don't look like a jackass and embarass yourself, do research, and buddy, you gotta stop contradicting yourself by saying sorry and then asking "others" why they are defending muslims, it , again, makes you look like a total dumbass.

ArabSolja99

i totally agree with everything you said man , im muslim too and that weired person of course have no idea what he's saying , anyways i dont want to waste my time talking about useless poeple like this hero3 guy , im glad that they took them all out to fix the problem but still they could have just send a patch or something .

It's guys like you who make me laugh...i could see if i offended some normal Muslims, and to them I'm sorry..i know not all off you are like that and many are very good people living in a bad area of the world...but some of you American people sticking up with these terrorists just doest make to much sense to me...anybody wanna give it up yet...I'm still freaking pumped about LBP. GO SACKKYUnknown_Hero3

Appreciate what you said, there are a lot of good Muslims in the world and those that choose to be a Terrorist is not a true Muslim anymore. They don't follow the Qu'ran, they follow their own beliefs and that's why the west confuses them as muslims.

At ArabSolja99 I think we wrote our posts at the same time lol, didn't see your post. You said my exact words, people need to understand the they arn't Muslims anymore once they choose that path.

I'm Lebanese, born in Canada and a muslim.

[QUOTE="Dr-Strangelove"][QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]

Yes but everybody should know what they are getting into when they watch Pat Robertson. To be honest, if I were Muslim, I might very well be offended by the song. I just don't know. It's better to be safe than sorry. Plus I would be careful about laying hypocrisy at the feet of the religiously inclined and Muslims alone. It's all over the place...

DEVILinIRON

Please tell me you didn't just support living in a security state devoid of freedom. Because that's where "better safe than sorry" tends to lead you.

I feel you're wrong about Pat and others, common sense tells us the world is flat. Therefore a good many people don't realise Pat or other radicals are in-fact radical in comparison to other standards.

I had a extended family member myself that wrote entire paychecks off to the 700 club.

I do agree with you about hypocrisy being everywhere we look. I laid it at religions feet this time because that's what this involves.

This kind of thing is why introspection is needed on an individual level as well as a group level. If you were Muslim and offended I would hope you would stop, take a moment and analyze what exactly are you offended by? what exactly are you offended for? should you be offended at all? Instead of being completely reactionary and gagging any voice of opposition because it makes you or others uncomfortable, whether being offended is the correct reaction or not.

After taking a clearer less emotional look, choose a course of action that is equal in some way to the grievance. Like Denmark apologizing to the Islamic world yet still being boycotted and receiving death threats. That doesn't seem to be balanced at all.

Why should Sony censor something that isn't specifically targeting anyone or anything other than "souls" and the "end" of the world?

Should a passage from another holy text like, Love thy father, and thy mother. Receive the same censorship?

What I'm asking for here is a level of introspection from the people who have a hard time understanding why the use of this song could be offensive to anyone. I am not a Muslim nor am I religious. But for someone to argue for introspection on the part of the Muslims seems to be lacking introspection themselves. The game got delayed a week people. Things could have been a lot messier than this... I whole heartedly agree with being free. But I also believe in sensitivity to issues that large groups of people might deem important. This has nothing to do with censorship and everything to do with sensitivity to certain issues. There needs to be a delicate balance...

In that case practically everything should be censored because everyone has been offended by any particular thing at one point or another.

I've looked at this particular problem and see no reason why any Muslim should be offended, it's not specifically attacking anyone or anything. In fact it's not an attack at all. That's why I thought they should be more introspective.

I find the situation a problem to begin with because it's another example of people bending over backwards to appease them in any way possible. No group of people or organization should cherished so much that it can't endure some criticism especially when there isn't any in the first place.

No I don't feel affended in anyway. As far as I'm concerned religion causes more problems than good. People get sucked into believing things as being literal than taking some of the teachings and applying those to their lives. I live by the golden rule "do unto others as you would have done unto you". Anyone that feels that those statements upset them is living in a fantasy world created more than 2k years ago. meluvulongtime8

Ummm... Hello? It is you who are living in a fantasy world if you believe everyone should only be offended by the same things you are.

[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"][QUOTE="Dr-Strangelove"][QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]

Yes but everybody should know what they are getting into when they watch Pat Robertson. To be honest, if I were Muslim, I might very well be offended by the song. I just don't know. It's better to be safe than sorry. Plus I would be careful about laying hypocrisy at the feet of the religiously inclined and Muslims alone. It's all over the place...

Dr-Strangelove

Please tell me you didn't just support living in a security state devoid of freedom. Because that's where "better safe than sorry" tends to lead you.

I feel you're wrong about Pat and others, common sense tells us the world is flat. Therefore a good many people don't realise Pat or other radicals are in-fact radical in comparison to other standards.

I had a extended family member myself that wrote entire paychecks off to the 700 club.

I do agree with you about hypocrisy being everywhere we look. I laid it at religions feet this time because that's what this involves.

This kind of thing is why introspection is needed on an individual level as well as a group level. If you were Muslim and offended I would hope you would stop, take a moment and analyze what exactly are you offended by? what exactly are you offended for? should you be offended at all? Instead of being completely reactionary and gagging any voice of opposition because it makes you or others uncomfortable, whether being offended is the correct reaction or not.

After taking a clearer less emotional look, choose a course of action that is equal in some way to the grievance. Like Denmark apologizing to the Islamic world yet still being boycotted and receiving death threats. That doesn't seem to be balanced at all.

Why should Sony censor something that isn't specifically targeting anyone or anything other than "souls" and the "end" of the world?

Should a passage from another holy text like, Love thy father, and thy mother. Receive the same censorship?

What I'm asking for here is a level of introspection from the people who have a hard time understanding why the use of this song could be offensive to anyone. I am not a Muslim nor am I religious. But for someone to argue for introspection on the part of the Muslims seems to be lacking introspection themselves. The game got delayed a week people. Things could have been a lot messier than this... I whole heartedly agree with being free. But I also believe in sensitivity to issues that large groups of people might deem important. This has nothing to do with censorship and everything to do with sensitivity to certain issues. There needs to be a delicate balance...

In that case practically everything should be censored because everyone has been offended by any particular thing at one point or another.

I've looked at this particular problem and see no reason why any Muslim should be offended, it's not specifically attacking anyone or anything. In fact it's not an attack at all. That's why I thought they should be more introspective.

I find the situation a problem to begin with because it's another example of people bending over backwards to appease them in any way possible. No group of people or organization should cherished so much that it can't endure some criticism especially when there isn't any in the first place.

The problem is you are not a Muslim. You are still failing to be introspective yourself. Let us consider the game itself. It is most obvious that this game is aimed for everyone to play from children to adults. So then wouldn't it be best from the standpoint of the company to avoid anything that detracts from this target audience (everyone)? If Sony had kept those possibly offensive words (again you are not Muslim), don't you think there could have been boycotts, protests, and unwanted negative publicity associated with the game? This is a case of smart thinking on Sony's part from a purely business perspective. Why leave the song in there? Is that really the place where idealogy, culture, and religion should be defended or offended? No, because it is a game aimed at everyone. Why not eliminate the problem before it even starts?

i'm muslim and i live in turkey..

first, i don't care about the song, i'm gonna play the game, not listen the track list..

second, at first, i really pissed because of what unknown_hero3's said, but he apologized, come on..

but it was really annoying..that so-called muslim terrorists are "not muslim"..because, one of the rule is love everyone, even if they hate you..violance is not muslim..all that east-violance (you know, to woman, or kids) is not muslim at all, they have their own "extreme non-muslim" rules, but they call themselves muslim, and they say they memorized the Quran, well it's obvious that they never seen any :) because, the way they act, is totally non-muslim..

muslims play games too, i have all next-gen consoles and i love you guys! and this forum :) even Unknown_hero3 :)

The problem is you are not a Muslim. You are still failing to be introspective yourself. Let us consider the game itself. It is most obvious that this game is aimed for everyone to play from children to adults. So then wouldn't it be best from the standpoint of the company to avoid anything that detracts from this target audience (everyone)? If Sony had kept those possibly offensive words (again you are not Muslim), don't you think there could have been boycotts, protests, and unwanted negative publicity associated with the game? This is a case of smart thinking on Sony's part from a purely business perspective. Why leave the song in there? Is that really the place where idealogy, culture, and religion should be defended or offended? No, because it is a game aimed at everyone. Why not eliminate the problem before it even starts?

DEVILinIRON

Apparently if there are boycotts, protests or in this case a thank you letter for not releasing it.... they obviously feel that video games are the perfect place where Ideology, culture and religion should be defended...

What exactly is the solution to the people that feel offended because it was removed?

if Sony kept the lyrics then why wouldn't it be avoided by parents that find that offensive for their family and just not buy it, like any other game that's offensive?

Should companies acknowledge special interest? imo I don't care either way about the lyrics. I just wish situations like this weren't so one sided.

If one culture creates a product, is it really any business of another culture? Even if the other culture is mentioned or connected in some way?

case in point

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Do you go with the home nations set of laws where the product was created? Who has jurisdiction here?

If we censor ourselves for their sake, that sets a standard. I expect them to begin censoring themselves for anything that might offend me.

I'm offfended that i can't get lbp on the day it was suppose 2 come outWiiingssbb

I can see how it may offend some people, but going as far as delaying a game over it is silly. I know not everyone has online, but if they are offended they could just turn the volume down and avoid ever using that song, it has a long start up anyways.

But if you censor everything that is a in a holy book, we will likely have to delay a lot of games to show 'respect'.

Unknown_Hero3

although i am not Muslim but what you said is really stupid raciest and totally uncalled for geez

I'm not offended personally but after seeing the english translation for the words in question, I can see what the problem is.RandomBeast

No, you obviously can't. The problems are not the words themselves. There are far worse things being said in countless video games. The problem is that a part of their holy book, probably the most important thing to extreme religious people I guess, was put into a song.