Fewer Sony Exclusives.....so what?
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It's not the fact that they are losing exclusives, it's the fact of paying $600 for a system just to play a game on that is now available on a cheaper system with not much difference between the two.hunter8manI repeat...Online..community...Innovation...integration...longevity. This generation's console war will be decided by hardware, not software.
Again, compare it to last generation. The original XBOX had the better looking of every multiplatform game released, did it matter? No. Notice that there was not lag before its games got better.....cause it was clearly more powerful. Not this gen. It's 50/50 at best....some times 360 games look better, sometimes PS3....usually you can't tell them apart. What power advantage is there? None.
Sony is so far behind online that it is a joke at this point. You have obviously never played XBOX Live if you think any differently. And don't confuse 'Home' as some answer, cause it treats game matchmaking as an afterthought....it's a product no one will want once they experience it, a flashy 2nd life.....it's going to be a disaster, trust me.
[QUOTE="hunter8man"]It's not the fact that they are losing exclusives, it's the fact of paying $600 for a system just to play a game on that is now available on a cheaper system with not much difference between the two.ghaleon0721I repeat...Online..community...Innovation...integration...longevity. This generation's console war will be decided by hardware, not software. Wrong again. It's going to be decided by software, it always is. If the hardware comes into play it will be the price. That's why the last gen technology Wii took off and the high tech PS3, even with the great brand, can't get a foothold. It's also why Microsoft has all the cards to play with the 360....it scales nicely and is high tech....it can be made dirt cheap as time goes on.
Why didn't you list any of the Sony exclusives? I know it appears more dramatic the way you have it but there are in reality many exclusives for the PS3. Why don't you list them for all to see?
[QUOTE="ghaleon0721"][QUOTE="hunter8man"]It's not the fact that they are losing exclusives, it's the fact of paying $600 for a system just to play a game on that is now available on a cheaper system with not much difference between the two.HulabalozaI repeat...Online..community...Innovation...integration...longevity. This generation's console war will be decided by hardware, not software. Wrong again. It's going to be decided by software, it always is. If the hardware comes into play it will be the price. That's why the last gen technology Wii took off and the high tech PS3, even with the great brand, can't get a foothold. It's also why Microsoft has all the cards to play with the 360....it scales nicely and is high tech....it can be made dirt cheap as time goes on.
The Wii has had success because it's inexpensive. The 360 has had success because it was the only kid on the block for about a year. The PS3 still hasn't launched in all the major markets. Let's review this thought in 2 years and see what the story is then.
It all comes down to who has the better system... who picked the right choice. KraftForgottenthat has nothing to do with third party exclusives. SALES are the only thing that matters to third party developers/publishers.
[QUOTE="hunter8man"]It's not the fact that they are losing exclusives, it's the fact of paying $600 for a system just to play a game on that is now available on a cheaper system with not much difference between the two.ghaleon0721I repeat...Online..community...Innovation...integration...longevity. This generation's console war will be decided by hardware, not software. now that's just stupid. SOFTWARE is what sales a system.
[QUOTE="KraftForgotten"]It all comes down to who has the better system... who picked the right choice. eclipsed4utoothat has nothing to do with third party exclusives. SALES are the only thing that matters to third party developers/publishers. YYYEEEEESSSSS. Sales are what matter. So using that logic, there should be SCADS of Xbox 360 exclusives because right now there are about 4 to 5 million more 360's than there are PS3's. But wait.......there aren't scads of 360 exclusives. So what does that mean??? It means that teh 3rd party developers BELIEVE in the future staying power of the PS3
Why didn't you list any of the Sony exclusives? I know it appears more dramatic the way you have it but there are in reality many exclusives for the PS3. Why don't you list them for all to see?emitsu97Just for the dramatic effect. Trying to prove the point. And also, at this point, I honestly don't know what exclusives PS3 has any more. So many rumors going around all the time. I wasn't trying to hate on the PS3, just showing how important exclusives really are.
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"][QUOTE="ghaleon0721"][QUOTE="hunter8man"]It's not the fact that they are losing exclusives, it's the fact of paying $600 for a system just to play a game on that is now available on a cheaper system with not much difference between the two.emitsu97I repeat...Online..community...Innovation...integration...longevity. This generation's console war will be decided by hardware, not software. Wrong again. It's going to be decided by software, it always is. If the hardware comes into play it will be the price. That's why the last gen technology Wii took off and the high tech PS3, even with the great brand, can't get a foothold. It's also why Microsoft has all the cards to play with the 360....it scales nicely and is high tech....it can be made dirt cheap as time goes on.
The Wii has had success because it's inexpensive. The 360 has had success because it was the only kid on the block for about a year. The PS3 still hasn't launched in all the major markets. Let's review this thought in 2 years and see what the story is then.
Will do. Look at when the sales of the PS2 took off. It wasn't at launch (even though there were shortages). Based on history, my estimate is that the 360's dominance will be clear in about a year, after a price cut and a very solid lineup for Christmas. Lets talk about this next spring.
The 360's advantage is that the Core can match the Wii in price, it has all NEXT GEN games and the Premium models can match the PS3 features, with all its games + Halo, for hundreds less. Do you see why it's positioned so well?
[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="KraftForgotten"]It all comes down to who has the better system... who picked the right choice. ghaleon0721that has nothing to do with third party exclusives. SALES are the only thing that matters to third party developers/publishers. YYYEEEEESSSSS. Sales are what matter. So using that logic, there should be SCADS of Xbox 360 exclusives because right now there are about 4 to 5 million more 360's than there are PS3's. But wait.......there aren't scads of 360 exclusives. So what does that mean??? It means that teh 3rd party developers BELIEVE in the future staying power of the PS3 No it means developers can't change on a dime. It's not going to happen overnight. What you are seeing with DQ going to the Gameboy and DMC (and everything else) going multiplatform is exactly what we should expect. DMC, and eventually MGS and Final Fantasy, on the XBOX 360 very much proves the point. Developers have bailed on the PS3.....there is just a delayed reaction. What you are seeing now is a reaction to the launch events too. It takes 6 months at least for a change in the market to be expressed in public product announcements. Just wait till August.....when we'll know where eveyrthing stands for the business in 2007. Then you'll have a clear picture......support for the PS3 has already crumbled.
The 360's advantage is that the Core can match the Wii in price, it has all NEXT GEN games and the Premium models can match the PS3 features, with all its games + Halo, for hundreds less. Do you see why it's positioned so well? Anyone who believes that the 360 is the better deal because of the lower price needs a head x-ray. There are so many periphereals and add-on services to buy that it's ridiculous. I remember the thread on here about the guy who spent $200 on services and periphereals just to play lost planet. Online play, a 60GB hard drive, blu-ray player, etc, all come straight out of the box with the PS3. If you try to match the Xbox 360 feature for feature with the PS3, you'll spend enough money on extras to make the prices almost equal.
IF you are right and the war will be decided by software, then how is the 360 at an advantage? What exclusives does it have? Halo is the only big one that comes to mind. Right now, today, if you compare multi-platform games across both systems, usually the 360 is the better version, but that is because it came out first. Ports are never perfect. Grandia 2 looked alot better on the dreamcast than it did on the PS2, and where is the Dreamcast now?ghaleon0721Gears of War, Lost Planet, the Tom Clancy games, Mass Effect etc. There are actually quite a few.
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]Anyone who believes that the 360 is the better deal because of the lower price needs a head x-ray. There are so many periphereals and add-on services to buy that it's ridiculous. I remember the thread on here about the guy who spent $200 on services and periphereals just to play lost planet. Online play, a 60GB hard drive, blu-ray player, etc, all come straight out of the box with the PS3. If you try to match the Xbox 360 feature for feature with the PS3, you'll spend enough money on extras to make the prices almost equal. The 360 is going to have all new SKU's this year, and it will line up clearly against the Wii and against the PS3. And price cuts. Just watch. Regardless....Even as it currently sells, the 360 sold twice as many as the PS3 did last month alone.....so alot of people will need to have their head examined.
The 360's advantage is that the Core can match the Wii in price, it has all NEXT GEN games and the Premium models can match the PS3 features, with all its games + Halo, for hundreds less. Do you see why it's positioned so well?ghaleon0721
[QUOTE="hunter8man"]It's not the fact that they are losing exclusives, it's the fact of paying $600 for a system just to play a game on that is now available on a cheaper system with not much difference between the two.ghaleon0721I repeat...Online..community...Innovation...integration...longevity. This generation's console war will be decided by hardware, not software.
If you honestly think the next-gen console war will be decided by hardware and not software, you're not thinking. Consoles are defined by their games, to be specific exclusive games.  Hardware can only get a console so far until the need for great games arise.  The next-gen and any future generation of gaming will need games to decide the winner, without great software, online..community...innovation...integration...longevity means absolutely nothing.Â
I repeat...Online..community...Innovation...integration...longevity. This generation's console war will be decided by hardware, not software.[QUOTE="ghaleon0721"][QUOTE="hunter8man"]It's not the fact that they are losing exclusives, it's the fact of paying $600 for a system just to play a game on that is now available on a cheaper system with not much difference between the two.hyofinkl
If you honestly think the next-gen console war will be decided by hardware and not software, you're not thinking. Consoles are defined by their games, to be specific exclusive games.  Hardware can only get a console so far until the need for great games arise.  The next-gen and any future generation of gaming will need games to decide the winner, without great software, online..community...innovation...integration...longevity means absolutely nothing.Â
YEAH I AGREE... It's all about software, not hardware.. We are talking about gaming consoles, so games really matters most... Why would I want PS3 if there's 360??[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="KraftForgotten"]It all comes down to who has the better system... who picked the right choice. ghaleon0721that has nothing to do with third party exclusives. SALES are the only thing that matters to third party developers/publishers. YYYEEEEESSSSS. Sales are what matter. So using that logic, there should be SCADS of Xbox 360 exclusives because right now there are about 4 to 5 million more 360's than there are PS3's. But wait.......there aren't scads of 360 exclusives. So what does that mean??? It means that teh 3rd party developers BELIEVE in the future staying power of the PS3
dude, u should just stop agruing because clearly you are just trying to back up your logic with stupidity lol
Xbox360 have alot more exclusive than PS3. i'm not gonna waste my time typing out all their exclusive but u should take a look and see for yourself. Put it this way, if you are a game developper, what system would u make the game for? you have 10 million customer on this side and you have Sony PS3 user base...lol.  Any smart developper would pick the Xbox360. Ease of uses, larger base, hell even their tool of making game is better.
I see the forums this morning are bursting with threads related "exclusive" games. No doubt this has stemmed from the news that DMC 4 will appear on the Xbox 360. Alot of Sony fans seem to be in a huff, but I don't understand why. YOU'RE STILL GETTING THE GAME! So what if it appears on another console. You still get to enjoy a great game. Sony has said that they will not pay for exclusives. They never have, and they never will. They only had so many exclusives in the past because they had such a dominant hold on the console market. PS2's were outselling Gamecubes and Xbox's exponentially. So if you were going to make a game that was designed to have the highest profit potential, the PS2 was your "go to" system. It makes sense that the same logic applies here. There are four or five times as many Xbox 360's out there than PS3's. So if you are going to get your game to the most gamers, then you should go for the Xbox 360. I think the fact that these games are ALSO coming to the PS3 is a testament to developers belief in the longterm viability of the system. It is my opinion that the 360 does not have the same longterm staying power that the PS3 has. Therefore, as the 360's lifecycle comes to a close, you will begin to see more PS3 exclusives. I can understand PS3 owners being upset if they learned that one of these games that was supposed to be a Sony Exclusive suddenly became a Microsoft Exclusive. But that has not happened. NOTHING has been taken from the PS3. So why all the whining?ghaleon0721
If it was a 360 exclusive jumping to Sony, most here would be celebrating...much like 360 fans.
The "who cares" act don't play.
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]Anyone who believes that the 360 is the better deal because of the lower price needs a head x-ray. There are so many periphereals and add-on services to buy that it's ridiculous. I remember the thread on here about the guy who spent $200 on services and periphereals just to play lost planet. Online play, a 60GB hard drive, blu-ray player, etc, all come straight out of the box with the PS3. If you try to match the Xbox 360 feature for feature with the PS3, you'll spend enough money on extras to make the prices almost equal. Not everyone wants all the features, which make these comparisons all but useless.
The 360's advantage is that the Core can match the Wii in price, it has all NEXT GEN games and the Premium models can match the PS3 features, with all its games + Halo, for hundreds less. Do you see why it's positioned so well?ghaleon0721
[QUOTE="ghaleon0721"]IF you are right and the war will be decided by software, then how is the 360 at an advantage? What exclusives does it have? Halo is the only big one that comes to mind. Right now, today, if you compare multi-platform games across both systems, usually the 360 is the better version, but that is because it came out first. Ports are never perfect. Grandia 2 looked alot better on the dreamcast than it did on the PS2, and where is the Dreamcast now?MCGSMBGears of War, Lost Planet, the Tom Clancy games, Mass Effect etc. There are actually quite a few. Tom Clancy games aren't totally exclusive. they are not really time exclusive. the only reason the PS3 version comes out later is because the developers have a harder time developing on the PS3. that causes the delays.
[QUOTE="ghaleon0721"][QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]Anyone who believes that the 360 is the better deal because of the lower price needs a head x-ray. There are so many periphereals and add-on services to buy that it's ridiculous. I remember the thread on here about the guy who spent $200 on services and periphereals just to play lost planet. Online play, a 60GB hard drive, blu-ray player, etc, all come straight out of the box with the PS3. If you try to match the Xbox 360 feature for feature with the PS3, you'll spend enough money on extras to make the prices almost equal. The 360 is going to have all new SKU's this year, and it will line up clearly against the Wii and against the PS3. And price cuts. Just watch. Regardless....Even as it currently sells, the 360 sold twice as many as the PS3 did last month alone.....so alot of people will need to have their head examined. do you think it's a great thing that Microsoft is releasing an "upgraded" 360 only after a year? what does this say about the original 360?
The 360's advantage is that the Core can match the Wii in price, it has all NEXT GEN games and the Premium models can match the PS3 features, with all its games + Halo, for hundreds less. Do you see why it's positioned so well?Hulabaloza
I repeat...Online..community...Innovation...integration...longevity. This generation's console war will be decided by hardware, not software.[QUOTE="ghaleon0721"][QUOTE="hunter8man"]It's not the fact that they are losing exclusives, it's the fact of paying $600 for a system just to play a game on that is now available on a cheaper system with not much difference between the two.hyofinkl
If you honestly think the next-gen console war will be decided by hardware and not software, you're not thinking. Consoles are defined by their games, to be specific exclusive games. Hardware can only get a console so far until the need for great games arise. The next-gen and any future generation of gaming will need games to decide the winner, without great software, online..community...innovation...integration...longevity means absolutely nothing.
beautifully said.
IF you are right and the war will be decided by software, then how is the 360 at an advantage? What exclusives does it have? Halo is the only big one that comes to mind. Right now, today, if you compare multi-platform games across both systems, usually the 360 is the better version, but that is because it came out first. Ports are never perfect. Grandia 2 looked alot better on the dreamcast than it did on the PS2, and where is the Dreamcast now?ghaleon0721
how can you say halo is the only big game they have, have you been under a rock lately? how can you ignore Gears of War? that game is a bonafide hit, and when the sequal comes out, it will sell BIG!
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]ÂAnyone who believes that the 360 is the better deal because of the lower price needs a head x-ray. There are so many periphereals and add-on services to buy that it's ridiculous. I remember the thread on here about the guy who spent $200 on services and periphereals just to play lost planet. Online play, a 60GB hard drive, blu-ray player, etc, all come straight out of the box with the PS3. If you try to match the Xbox 360 feature for feature with the PS3, you'll spend enough money on extras to make the prices almost equal.
The 360's advantage is that the Core can match the Wii in price, it has all NEXT GEN games and the Premium models can match the PS3 features, with all its games + Halo, for hundreds less. Do you see why it's positioned so well?ghaleon0721
what the hell are you talking about? what did he spend 200 on? buy the system for 300 or 400 buy the game and go online! what peripherals are you talking about? besides having to pay 50 for a years service of live I don't have any idea what else you need to get to play online...
please explain this to me....
this has turned into a system war...the main focus should be about how greedy capcom is. you guys are outta control. N64, greatest system ever? what?!?!
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"] [QUOTE="ghaleon0721"][QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]Anyone who believes that the 360 is the better deal because of the lower price needs a head x-ray. There are so many periphereals and add-on services to buy that it's ridiculous. I remember the thread on here about the guy who spent $200 on services and periphereals just to play lost planet. Online play, a 60GB hard drive, blu-ray player, etc, all come straight out of the box with the PS3. If you try to match the Xbox 360 feature for feature with the PS3, you'll spend enough money on extras to make the prices almost equal. The 360 is going to have all new SKU's this year, and it will line up clearly against the Wii and against the PS3. And price cuts. Just watch. Regardless....Even as it currently sells, the 360 sold twice as many as the PS3 did last month alone.....so alot of people will need to have their head examined. do you think it's a great thing that Microsoft is releasing an "upgraded" 360 only after a year? what does this say about the original 360?
The 360's advantage is that the Core can match the Wii in price, it has all NEXT GEN games and the Premium models can match the PS3 features, with all its games + Halo, for hundreds less. Do you see why it's positioned so well?eclipsed4utoo
it might be a great thing to have an upgrade, if it does come out they can get rid of the 300 system, lower the 400 dollar system which will make the 360 an easier purchase. hey they made mistakes with the originals, they were faulty and didn't have HDMI which obviously people want. so by them making a new one is fine by me, I'm still going to keep the 400 version I bought.
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