How did Metal Gear Solid 4 get a 10?

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#1 KHAndAnime
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I haven't beaten the game yet. I'm only about 6 hours in. I've played, loved, and beaten MGS 1, 2, and 3. But playing Metal Gear Solid 4, I'm wondering how this game got a 10. The gameplay hasn't evolved since MGS2 and the game itself even seems to have less mechanics than Metal Gear Solid 3. And this game is filled with dozens of stupid little tidbits that make me cringe. For example, when Otacon shows up in that "cutesy" 1-ft tall Mk2 robot in the beginning, he pulls out a bunch of weapons and gear out of thin air. Couldn't they have at least tried? The graphics are pretty weak too. The framerate is very shaky and the textures on the environment are disgustingly low resolution. How did this game win best graphics of the year?


Does the game get much better towards the end? I'm having fun but it's nothing special so far.

EDIT:

I beat Metal Gear Solid 4 just now and now I can give more of a review rather than a first impression. Act 1 was pretty boring for me and I almost quit because it nearly became unbearable. But as soon as I hit Act 2, the game turned around immensely. The world itself opened up and the environment was no longer drab. I beat the game in about 2 sittings. The mission briefings were enjoyable and well done.

The gameplay was pretty good, but as I said earlier in the thread, it didn't evolve, it just changed. You can instantly spot the poser fanboys in this thread because if they played any of the earlier MGS games, they'd acknowledge the fact the game has less moves, less interaction with the environment, and overall less gameplay than MGS3/MGS2. You can no longer kill wild life and eat it. You can no longer disable enemy limbs and radio equipment. No more medical management. It's now just straight up shooting (aim for the head), and crawling.

Hideo's story telling also lost its touch. I lost count of how many times he over emphasizes dramatic moments (some of which aren't even all that dramatic once you realize that these characters can all lose limbs, grow them back and take infinite amounts of bullets) with the same overbearing music. It's still good, but it's slightly below MGS2 / MGS3, probably due to the pretentiousness of the whole story. Along with it are any cringe-worthy moments (particularly with Sunny, Drebin, and the ending of Act 5). Some cutscenes restate information too often (war economy, nanomachines, etc.). The lectures were unnecessary too - 90% of the people won't care. Even I (a big fan of the series) found myself bored to tears by the lengthy one-sided "dialogue". It's almost as if Snake had the least dialogue in the game. Whenever he did speak, it often was just "War economy?", "What do you mean?", "Nanomachines?", "Hmmmm", "Ughhhh", "Ehhh", and other questioning/moaning.

Graphically, the game is solid. The beautiful cutscenes balance out the not-so-beautiful gameplay. It's rare I see games basque in their low framerate. After awhile, you just get used to the constant dips. Lots of ugly textures too. Some of the environment (particularly in the Middle East) sticks out like a sore thumb, with the muddy low resolution textures. The use of physics in the game was bad ass. Nearly all objects that seem like they should be destroyable were destroyable. The physics that accompanied your body when you got hit by explosions was a VERY nice touch. It's very satisfying to see your body fly against a wall and hear a large "SMACK". The music wasn't really up to mark either. "Old Snake" was decent, but whenever I had the opportunity to listen to the old music through the game's Ipod, it was a "Hell yes" moment. The re-use of old music was great. Especially the Snake Eater theme. Back when I first played Snake Eater, I really cringed at the music, but I have to admit, it's amazing, and certainly was a step up above MGS4's music. I was also sad how they never worked in the MGS2 theme, which is the series best piece of music. I suppose it has something to do with the fact that the music was plagiarized by an old Russian composer or something like that.

What really made this game for me were the boss battles. They're everything I could want from a Metal Gear Solid game. The most enjoyable battle for me was the fight with Crying Wolf. The Laughing Octopus was quite wicked as well. The CQC with Liquid at the end was very awesome too. I never thought I'd enjoy a one-button fighter.

There are a few things though I have to address. The stalking section at the beginning of Act 3 was *ridiculous*. It lasted much too long. The freakin Resistance member would stare at a poster of an Asian woman for 2 minutes, continue walking ahead 50 yards, would return to look at the Asian woman for 2 more minutes, then continue walking, and would return one last time. Then there were other parts where he'd get caught by the guards and I'd have to bail him out, just for him to return to the start of his path and get caught one more. The difficulty of the game was too easy. Big Boss Hard should have been the game's Medium setting. I breezed through just about everything they threw at me. Drebin's naked monkey was a nice touch. Really loved him.

I'd give the game a 9.5/10. Excellent in almost every regard, but there are too many very minor flaws for me to look past.

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#2 punisher1
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Hype thats all. Just like RE:5 and a couple other games that are over rated on PS3. Think how insane people act over FF7. And yet every FF game after that has been better in every way.

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#3 M0wen10
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I ask that question so many times aswell.

Personally I don't think it should have got anything over 9.

It was great, but far from "perfect 10"

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#4 MondasM
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if you look at the consoles the games published early in a consoles life tend to get higher scores... i agree that mgs4 did not get released along with the release of the ps3 however it has been 1,5 years... by the time it was released it was a beast o a game with pefect graphics which aren't paralleled even now... although i am not a fan of the series i have the game and i do think that it's coherent story, cinematics, sound, graphics and gameplay earn the game a well respected above 9, maybe 10 score... on the other hand one does not need to agree with every single review, and furthermore everyone is entitled to their opinion, so it is not a 10 fo some... :)
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I stopped reading at gameplay has not evolved

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#6 Black_Knight_00
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Not everyone can appreciate MGS4.
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#7 gamer082009
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I stopped reading at gameplay has not evolved

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I know..I don't understand some people. How far can the gameplay evolve and in fact the gameplay evolved quite a bit with MGS4. Just your typical haters I guess. Wanting the world and Jesus too for $60. MGS4 is unlike any other...PERIOD!

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#8 newhighscore
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still the best game this gen. better sp and mp than uncharted2. somewhere agent h is loading his gun tc.

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#9 JKnaperek
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It recieved a 10 because 11's couldn't be handed out.
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#10 Meowmixxvi
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it didn't deserve a 10. the loading between chapters should've been a deduction to its score. other games get marked down for being short but this game didnt...
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#11 Adziboy
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I think it deserved the 10, but y'know, my opinion, your opinion, gamespots opinion.
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#12 starwarsjunky
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i dont feel any game should receive a 10, but thats just my opinion. they should just get closer and closer to the mark.
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#13 bm1212
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Because it is a very good game.

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#14 TerroRizing
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I thought it was a 10 out of 10, the resolution was a bit low but the game itself was amazing to play. I liked mgs3 & 1 better, but still. In my opinion a game thats 10/10 is a game I could come back to in 5-10 years and still love, mgs4 is one of these games.

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#15 amsfm6
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It recieved a 10 because 11's couldn't be handed out.JKnaperek

You are correct sir. Plus TC don't judge it after only 6 hours.

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#16 slickvic1990
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i dont feel any game should receive a 10, but thats just my opinion. they should just get closer and closer to the mark.starwarsjunky
if thats the case, then mgs4 deserved a 9.9999999999999999999999999999.................u get my point.
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#17 DanC1989
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It recieved a 10 because 11's couldn't be handed out.JKnaperek
If this were on Facebook you know what I'd do.
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#18 Essian
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I don't think many games get the score they really deserve. Don't get me wrong MGS4 might actually be my favorite PS3 game to date, but I still don't think it deserved a 10. The story was heavy handed, some of the mechanics were... strange, and perhaps worst of all, there was no "load" button from the start menu, so if you got detected and were going for a no detection run, you had to quit out to main menu, and reload game... it was really annoying. This game is absolutely amazing, but it is NOT perfect in every way. We have seen similar issues with games like Grand Theft Auto IV, which also received a 10 and was not even close with horrible graphics and repetitive missions. Basically, reviews are opinions, and you need to remember that.
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#19 luzer7072
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I'm still trying to figure out how GTA4 got a 10...
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#20 ViewtifulScott
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It's ok to not understand why Gamespot liked it more than you do, because it's just an opinion either way. It's not even a terribly new or edgy view that MGS4 was scored too high. This forum likely gets a thread like this once a week, minimum.
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#21 KristoffBrujah
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I agree.

I beat the game and the ending was underwhelming, and frankly seemed boring. I was looking at my watch through the last 1/3 of the game. Definitely was not a ten. A great game, nonetheless. This game (along with GTA4) goes to show how much hype influences review scores.

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#22 LP4EVA2005
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everything you said is the total opposite for me
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#23 tab132
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I think its a 9/10, but its not perfect thats for sure. I think the framerate might be a stylistic thing, because it only does it in cutscenes, and mgs3 did also.
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#24 amsfm6
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I agree.

I beat the game and the ending was underwhelming, and frankly seemed boring. I was looking at my watch through the last 1/3 of the game. Definitely was not a ten. A great game, nonetheless. This game (along with GTA4) goes to show how much hype influences review scores.

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There is no way the ending could be underwhelming unless you haven't played the others. In which case, I'm sorry but you don't get to review the game.

I think its a 9/10, but its not perfect thats for sure. I think the framerate might be a stylistic thing, because it only does it in cutscenes, and mgs3 did also.tab132

It's called slow motion.

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everything you said is the total opposite for meLP4EVA2005

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#26 wax_bottle
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mgs4 deserves a 10. it's amazing.

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#27 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="M0wen10"]

I ask that question so many times aswell.

Personally I don't think it should have got anything over 9.

It was great, but far from "perfect 10"

For the last time 10 does not mean perfect f t d no game would ever get it. 10 means that game could not be improved in any meaningful way which I agree with.
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#28 jeremiah06
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I haven't beaten the game yet. I'm only about 6 hours in. I've played, loved, and beaten MGS 1, 2, and 3. But playing Metal Gear Solid 4, I'm wondering how this game got a 10. The gameplay hasn't evolved since MGS2 and the game itself even seems to have less mechanics than Metal Gear Solid 3. And this game is filled with dozens of stupid little tidbits that make me cringe. For example, when Otacon shows up in that "cutesy" 1-ft tall Mk2 robot in the beginning, he pulls out a bunch of weapons and gear out of thin air. Couldn't they have at least tried? The graphics are pretty weak too. The framerate is very shaky and the textures on the environment are disgustingly low resolution. How did this game win best graphics of the year?


Does the game get much better towards the end? I'm having fun but it's nothing special so far.

KHAndAnime

Weak graphics? Show me any PS3/360/wii game that looks better?(remember t came a year from uncharted 2)

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#29 Too_tight_shoes
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I might get this game, just got my PS3 a while ago maybe when I complete Killzone 2 I will get it.
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#30 wooooode
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What, frame rate issues? Never experienced any at all. The weapons come out of the Mk2, the top opens and he pulls out the gun. There is so much gameplay here I am sure you are unaware of what snake can really do, the CQC alone can be very intimidating because there is so much available.
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#31 KristoffBrujah
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[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

I agree.

I beat the game and the ending was underwhelming, and frankly seemed boring. I was looking at my watch through the last 1/3 of the game. Definitely was not a ten. A great game, nonetheless. This game (along with GTA4) goes to show how much hype influences review scores.

amsfm6

There is no way the ending could be underwhelming unless you haven't played the others. In which case, I'm sorry but you don't get to review the game.

I think its a 9/10, but its not perfect thats for sure. I think the framerate might be a stylistic thing, because it only does it in cutscenes, and mgs3 did also.tab132

It's called slow motion.

I played all 3 of the others. The story desperately needed an editor. How much jargon about AI do we have to hear? How many old, seemingly dead people have to crawl out of the grave and make pointless cameos?

MGS2 was great because it had tension, a great plot, and a good cliffhanger. This had none of those.

The quality of the story was almost fanfiction-ish. Kojima seemed to have thrown in every random idea without any structure. Get an editor and then we'll talk.

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#32 brickdoctor
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I agree. It's a solid nine. It's the hype which gave it a ten. And the story seems good at first, but when you look back on it, its (MGS4's) story is pretty lame. However, I did think the controls were much improved, and it was a lot easier to do stuff with Snake like shoot and sneak, however Octocamo made it way too easy.

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I haven't beaten the game yet. I'm only about 6 hours in. I've played, loved, and beaten MGS 1, 2, and 3. But playing Metal Gear Solid 4, I'm wondering how this game got a 10. The gameplay hasn't evolved since MGS2 and the game itself even seems to have less mechanics than Metal Gear Solid 3. And this game is filled with dozens of stupid little tidbits that make me cringe. For example, when Otacon shows up in that "cutesy" 1-ft tall Mk2 robot in the beginning, he pulls out a bunch of weapons and gear out of thin air. Couldn't they have at least tried? The graphics are pretty weak too. The framerate is very shaky and the textures on the environment are disgustingly low resolution. How did this game win best graphics of the year?


Does the game get much better towards the end? I'm having fun but it's nothing special so far.

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When i saw "How did Metal Gear Solid 4 get a 10?"...i said to myself,"he doesnt like Mgs4 cuz he hasnt played the last 3 games..."...but when i read ur post i was really surprised....u've played the last 3 games....i cant believe tht u didnt like MGS4 :shock:....its a perfect game...the plot covers up everything smoothly....Brilliant graphics.....amazing cinematics(and i love tht about the mgs series)...EPIC moments......some scenes almost made me cry :oops: .......if ur a mgs fan,HOW COULD U NOT LOVE THIS GAME???? :|.........go on,finish the game....thre r some real EPIC moments....and remember... dont turn off the game at the credits ;)

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#34 iamshivy
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bec its the best game on the ps3

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#35 Chelseablu
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I own it....have completed it....but have no wish to play it again! A 10?.....NO!.......a 9?......just!!

A good game to me must at least have a replay quality!.....MGS4 did not!!

KZ2 has it, MW2 has it, Batman AA has it.......that to me says I am enjoying the game, having fun and am getting value for money.

......It is very rare for me to find a game that has it all. Which in return is a good thing because out of the 15 games Iown I only play 3 on a regular basis and would simply not have the time to play them all.

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#36 junglist101
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Just because a game gets a 10 doesn't mean you will like it. I don't believe the score was because of hype. It was just a good game.
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#37 liffi
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If one realy wonder why some one gave some game 10 out of 10 read the review and there they will say why. I have to say that I don't say that I feel the same as some reviews cause I like different things than they do and I look different things than they cause I don't review for money. I am not critic and I have to say that they see things in different point of view.I for one don't realy like number on the game I just like to now if the game is good or not and what are the things that don't work. I can like game that got 7 in somewhere more that some game that got 9. So in the end it doesn't much matter the numbers.

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#38 shadowkiller11
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This is why i want the 0.1 rating system back, i feel it deserves 9.8 still the best this gen though
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#39 solidwarrior2
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I believe no game in the world deserves a 10, But I think the reviewer is a MGS fanboy that is why.

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#40 Seritonin
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I haven't beaten the game yet. I'm only about 6 hours in. I've played, loved, and beaten MGS 1, 2, and 3. But playing Metal Gear Solid 4, I'm wondering how this game got a 10. The gameplay hasn't evolved since MGS2 and the game itself even seems to have less mechanics than Metal Gear Solid 3. And this game is filled with dozens of stupid little tidbits that make me cringe. For example, when Otacon shows up in that "cutesy" 1-ft tall Mk2 robot in the beginning, he pulls out a bunch of weapons and gear out of thin air. Couldn't they have at least tried? The graphics are pretty weak too. The framerate is very shaky and the textures on the environment are disgustingly low resolution. How did this game win best graphics of the year?


Does the game get much better towards the end? I'm having fun but it's nothing special so far.

KHAndAnime

First let me say I agree with you on not deserving a 10 and that I loved all the other MGS games and this one too. I think it should have been a 9 - 9.5. But you're wrong when you say gameplay hasn't eveolved since 2. They added the camo in 3 and then revamped it in 4. And they added the ability to walk around while aiming and shooting which you couldn't do prreviously. Which helped take the game away from its stealthy roots because it became so much fun and easier to run and gun. And I also think the graphics were really good. But that's oppinion.

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Learn all the moves and you'll see just how much there is.
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#42 KHAndAnime
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I know..I don't understand some people. How far can the gameplay evolve and in fact the gameplay involved quite a bit with MGS4. Just your typical haters I guess. Wanting the world and Jesus too for $60. MGS4 is unlike any other...PERIOD!POPEYE1716

How has it evolved? I only paid $20 for the game. I don't care how much it costed me, I care about how worthy it is to be a sequel of MGS3.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

I haven't beaten the game yet. I'm only about 6 hours in. I've played, loved, and beaten MGS 1, 2, and 3. But playing Metal Gear Solid 4, I'm wondering how this game got a 10. The gameplay hasn't evolved since MGS2 and the game itself even seems to have less mechanics than Metal Gear Solid 3. And this game is filled with dozens of stupid little tidbits that make me cringe. For example, when Otacon shows up in that "cutesy" 1-ft tall Mk2 robot in the beginning, he pulls out a bunch of weapons and gear out of thin air. Couldn't they have at least tried? The graphics are pretty weak too. The framerate is very shaky and the textures on the environment are disgustingly low resolution. How did this game win best graphics of the year?


Does the game get much better towards the end? I'm having fun but it's nothing special so far.

jeremiah06

Weak graphics? Show me any PS3/360/wii game that looks better?(remember t came a year from uncharted 2)


Uncharted 1.

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#43 Keir21
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Uncharted 1 does not look better than MGS4....
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#44 oajlu
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it's same as halo 3 get 9.6 or GTA4 10

just hype or fanboy wrote review

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#45 KHAndAnime
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Uncharted 1 does not look better than MGS4....Keir21
Sure does. Much better if I say so myself. You'd be the first I've heard to think otherwise, and since I don't even know you, I think I'll just assume you need some thick glasses or something. And even if MGS4 looked better than UC, MGS4 wasn't better looking than Warhead, or any other choice PC Titles release that year.

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#46 KHAndAnime
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[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

I agree.

I beat the game and the ending was underwhelming, and frankly seemed boring. I was looking at my watch through the last 1/3 of the game. Definitely was not a ten. A great game, nonetheless. This game (along with GTA4) goes to show how much hype influences review scores.

amsfm6

There is no way the ending could be underwhelming unless you haven't played the others. In which case, I'm sorry but you don't get to review the game.

I think its a 9/10, but its not perfect thats for sure. I think the framerate might be a stylistic thing, because it only does it in cutscenes, and mgs3 did also.tab132

It's called slow motion.

No, it's definitely framerate. They use slow motion separately.
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#47 Conjuration
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IMO the only games that should ever recieve a 10 are the ones capable of not only expanding their franchise's audience, but the gaming audience as a whole.
MGS4 is not one of these types of games.
The reviewer(s) who handed this game a 10 are fanboys. Simple as that.

It deserves a high score, but 10/10 is not what it should have got.

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#48 KHAndAnime
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IMO the only games that should ever recieve a 10 are the ones capable of not only expanding their franchise's audience, but the gaming audience as a whole.
MGS4 is not one of these types of games.
The reviewer(s) who handed this game a 10 are fanboys. Simple as that.

It deserves a high score, but 10/10 is not what it should have got.

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Agreed. MGS4, even for fanboys, isn't striking me as a 10. This game is too far out there.

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#49 spawnassasin
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cause Konamis never wrote a bad check before;)

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#50 Keir21
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uncharted

MGS4

Yeah, my eyes are fine. The funny thing is, this is MGS4's in game graphics. Uncharted was a cutscene.