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#1 THQ88
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Kojima, the brainchild behind Metal Gear Solid, hones in on the virtues of the Western video games market and how its a better place to develop games than in Japan. Along the way he also comments that he's currently addicted to Left 4 Dead, which we gave a huge 9/10.

In a Famitsu Magazine interview, Kojima argues;

"The US and European marketplace are far better balanced. There are games everyone can play -- maybe calling 'kids' games' would be inappropriate -- but there's also a deep base of core titles made with movie-industry people that explore the depths of hi-def. I'm addicted to Left 4 Dead right now, but people say to me that that game would never work in Japan."

Kojima's a little pessimistic about the Japanese video games market, laughing as he says;

"Maybe I should quit being Japanese. And speaking of which, there were hardly any Japanese games nominated in Spike TV's Video Game Awards this year. It's sad to see that Japan's games failed to even register in America last year."

When asked why Japanese developers struggle to keep up with the overseas competition, Kojima is just as damning;

"Because they're Japanese. Japan makes all their own books and movies and music. You can't export entertainment made by Japanese people in the Japanese language, so it's all made with the sort of budgets that guarantee profit within the Japanese marketplace only.

"Meanwhile, the English-speaking world is a global one. The scariest scenario I see is people overseas taking the ideas from Japanese games, running the Hollywood business merchandising machine on them, and taking all the revenue. If that happens, then there won't be any new Japanese creators."

Furthermore, the man who has continuinly changed the rules of gaming, comments that the hi-defination era of consoles hasn't really been taken advantage of in Japan;

"Game design up to now has been about making rules," he notes. "It was like a card game; there were lots of things that weren't possible and had to be cut. With hi-def, the more real it gets, the less instruction you need to give, so preoccupying yourself with making rules seems silly. Western developers have realized this, but Japanese ones are still preoccupied with making these rules."

The good news is that Kojima is working on a bunch of new projects that'll whip both the East and West into shape;

"There is a title I'm designing that I think we'll be able to announce relatively soon, and there's also a rather challenging project I'm working on to compete against the overseas industry. So as far as unannounced projects, I've started work on one and three others are in progress."

We can't wait.

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#2 Ironcloud
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Can't wait for more Kojima games!
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Left 4 Solid lol.
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#4 raven_squad
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Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!
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Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!raven_squad
I understand where you are coming from.But at the same time he can still let his creative juices flow.And L4D is a great game to alot of people.
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Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!raven_squad
Change your perspective. Have you ever seen a japanese movie? Slow, confusing and sometimes just god damn stupid. Now imagine something similar in games. RPG lovers would be in heaven in Japan, but some people that enjoy a RPG from time to time (like I), but some diversity...well they would just freaking die in Japan.

Kojima, POSSIBLY, suffers from that. If the man wants so brainless fun, where you just kill zombies...let the man have some fun.

AS LONG his new titles don't be only like that o.O.

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I don't care if he plays it. Couldn't care less really. I just hope his work isn't influenced by it. His games have always been something to turn to for a deep, engaging story and boundary pushing gameplay. Not mindless shoot em' ups. If he does start producing garbage like that, he'll no longer be reputable to me. Ill still respect him, but I wont look at him the same way.
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I don't care if he plays it. Couldn't care less really. I just hope his work isn't influenced by it. His games have always been something to turn to for a deep, engaging story and boundary pushing gameplay. Not mindless shoot em' ups. If he does start producing garbage like that, he'll no longer be reputable to me. Ill still respect him, but I wont look at him the same way. raven_squad
Not all western games are mindless shoot em ups.
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[QUOTE="raven_squad"]I don't care if he plays it. Couldn't care less really. I just hope his work isn't influenced by it. His games have always been something to turn to for a deep, engaging story and boundary pushing gameplay. Not mindless shoot em' ups. If he does start producing garbage like that, he'll no longer be reputable to me. Ill still respect him, but I wont look at him the same way. K1LLR3175
Not all western games are mindless shoot em ups.

Not all. A large amount, but not all. I'm more worried about his addiction to L4D influencing his game designs, thinking that because it was successful in America that thats what he should make.
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Japanese games should remain distinct and unique. I don't want all games to be the same. Left 4 Dead is cool, but I want Kojima making games distinctly Kojima, such as a new Zone of the Enders. Not a Kojima flavored shooter.
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[QUOTE="K1LLR3175"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]I don't care if he plays it. Couldn't care less really. I just hope his work isn't influenced by it. His games have always been something to turn to for a deep, engaging story and boundary pushing gameplay. Not mindless shoot em' ups. If he does start producing garbage like that, he'll no longer be reputable to me. Ill still respect him, but I wont look at him the same way. raven_squad
Not all western games are mindless shoot em ups.

Not all. A large amount, but not all. I'm more worried about his addiction to L4D influencing his game designs, thinking that because it was successful in America that thats what he should make.

I have an addiction to Martha Stewart but I don't let that fuel my thoughts on the world.I say let the man enjoy his L4D and then once he makes a new Western themed game we will see if he still believes in deep story telling,
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Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!raven_squad
Agreed L4D is ridiculously shallow...
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You guys shouldn't fret so much, if Japanese games haven't lost their unique Identity by now with western games booming, they're not going to loose it at all, Alot of japanese games do already have strong western influences that you might not be aware of, Especially the japanese RPG. Similarly modern western platformer has alot of japanese influences, yet it stills has it's unique identity. The cycle of influence continues, no ones going to loose anything, but all companies have alot to gain by looking abroad for new ideas.
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Left 4 Solid lol.K1LLR3175

Lmao. That made me laugh. Kudos!

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"Because they're Japanese. Japan makes all their own books and movies and music. You can't export entertainment made by Japanese people in the Japanese language, so it's all made with the sort of budgets that guarantee profit within the Japanese marketplace only."

This...

"Meanwhile, the English-speaking world is a global one. The scariest scenario I see is people overseas taking the ideas from Japanese games, running the Hollywood business merchandising machine on them, and taking all the revenue. If that happens, then there won't be any new Japanese creators."

and this...

Anyways, Kojima seems to be doing well in the western market. The mere fact that the game mentions that he is involved with the development has the people interested or at least curious.

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[QUOTE="raven_squad"]Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!americahellyeah
Agreed L4D is ridiculously shallow...

L4D is not a shallow game. Obviously you haven't played enough of it to grasp why people enjoy it so much. L4D has to be the most satisfying Zombie game I've ever played. Playing as the infected is where the real magic is though. Once you get all human players in a versus match and everyone with a mic, its hard to describe the enjoyment without experiencing it first hand.

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I got to try Left 4 dead the other week on a buddies 360. he was using regular composite cables. But I thought this game was horrible. Guns wernt great, grahics were horrible, and the gameplay was ok.

I could even get a good look at the zombies, no deatil in the game what so ever.

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[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!KH-mixerX

Agreed L4D is ridiculously shallow...

L4D is not a shallow game. Obviously you haven't played enough of it to grasp why people enjoy it so much. L4D has to be the most satisfying Zombie game I've ever played. Playing as the infected is where the real magic is though. Once you get all human players in a versus match and everyone with a mic, its hard to describe the enjoyment without experiencing it first hand.

Its fun for a few hours with friends, but if your by yourself, forget about it. Its trash garbage if your by yourself. It has no story, and its ridiculously repetitive in every way. It feels like what should have been released as a mod for HL2 for $9.99.
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[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"] Agreed L4D is ridiculously shallow... raven_squad

L4D is not a shallow game. Obviously you haven't played enough of it to grasp why people enjoy it so much. L4D has to be the most satisfying Zombie game I've ever played. Playing as the infected is where the real magic is though. Once you get all human players in a versus match and everyone with a mic, its hard to describe the enjoyment without experiencing it first hand.

Its fun for a few hours with friends, but if your by yourself, forget about it. Its trash garbage if your by yourself. It has no story, and its ridiculously repetitive in every way. It feels like what should have been released as a mod for HL2 for $9.99.

QFT, i played it with friends i played it alone.. sure it was fun with friends but it was just as much fun as if we would have whipped out the N64 and did some Goldeneye deathmatch (with paintballs cheat on of course :P) I completely agree with raven_squad, it is not even close to worth the price of a full game... and it should have just been cheap Orange Box DLC or sold over steam from 10 or 20 bucks...
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Hey guys guess what.Only time will tell.That's it right there.Time will tell......
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Damn that be pretty sweet if Kojima is seriously thinking of mixing sci-fi and action with his own unique rich story telling a la MGS series. That would be sex, plus he said he has a few other titles up his sleeves. He just made my day :) Hopefully I'll finally complete Bioshock today when I get out of work. Game is taking forever... great game though.
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Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!raven_squad
It is no way horrible.
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Kojima is the probably the last best hope of the Japanese entertainment industry. Damn, he's addicted to L4D, and a while ago I thought he doesn't play any games other than his own.
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There are plenty of good JPN developers.Sadly alot of their great work does not get released in other regions.
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[QUOTE="raven_squad"]Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!Ultrabeatdown55
It is no way horrible.

May I ask what makes it good besides multiplayer?
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[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!raven_squad
It is no way horrible.

May I ask what makes it good besides multiplayer?

the fact that it was made for the sole purpose of multiplayer and co-op. since you agree the multiplayer is the only good thing about it you must love it since that is the real reason it was created. it never needed a strong single player campaign because it was never marketed to be a solo game. the online isnt glitchy, it isnt one-sided, it's as fast paced or as slow treading as you make it. so there is no real problem with it other than once own preference, but that doesnt make it a bad game, makes it not suited for you.
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[QUOTE="TJSAGE"]

I got to try Left 4 dead the other week on a buddies 360. he was using regular composite cables. But I thought this game was horrible. Guns wernt great, grahics were horrible, and the gameplay was ok.

I could even get a good look at the zombies, no deatil in the game what so ever.

try a better tv or glasses are always good ina cas elike this. the fact that if you did look at the zombies up close you'd see quite a lot of detail tells alot about how much you pay attention.
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I play l4d on PC. and seriously.. its a terrific game.
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[QUOTE="THQ88"]

Kojima, the brainchild behind Metal Gear Solid, hones in on the virtues of the Western video games market and how its a better place to develop games than in Japan. Along the way he also comments that he's currently addicted to Left 4 Dead, which we gave a huge 9/10.

In a Famitsu Magazine interview, Kojima argues;

"The US and European marketplace are far better balanced. There are games everyone can play -- maybe calling 'kids' games' would be inappropriate -- but there's also a deep base of core titles made with movie-industry people that explore the depths of hi-def. I'm addicted to Left 4 Dead right now, but people say to me that that game would never work in Japan."

Kojima's a little pessimistic about the Japanese video games market, laughing as he says;

"Maybe I should quit being Japanese. And speaking of which, there were hardly any Japanese games nominated in Spike TV's Video Game Awards this year. It's sad to see that Japan's games failed to even register in America last year."

When asked why Japanese developers struggle to keep up with the overseas competition, Kojima is just as damning;

"Because they're Japanese. Japan makes all their own books and movies and music. You can't export entertainment made by Japanese people in the Japanese language, so it's all made with the sort of budgets that guarantee profit within the Japanese marketplace only.

"Meanwhile, the English-speaking world is a global one. The scariest scenario I see is people overseas taking the ideas from Japanese games, running the Hollywood business merchandising machine on them, and taking all the revenue. If that happens, then there won't be any new Japanese creators."

Furthermore, the man who has continuinly changed the rules of gaming, comments that the hi-defination era of consoles hasn't really been taken advantage of in Japan;

"Game design up to now has been about making rules," he notes. "It was like a card game; there were lots of things that weren't possible and had to be cut. With hi-def, the more real it gets, the less instruction you need to give, so preoccupying yourself with making rules seems silly. Western developers have realized this, but Japanese ones are still preoccupied with making these rules."

The good news is that Kojima is working on a bunch of new projects that'll whip both the East and West into shape;

"There is a title I'm designing that I think we'll be able to announce relatively soon, and there's also a rather challenging project I'm working on to compete against the overseas industry. So as far as unannounced projects, I've started work on one and three others are in progress."

We can't wait.

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Well i'd love it if the japanese gave us the option of buying their games with english subtitles =)
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[QUOTE="ceells87"][QUOTE="TJSAGE"]

I got to try Left 4 dead the other week on a buddies 360. he was using regular composite cables. But I thought this game was horrible. Guns wernt great, grahics were horrible, and the gameplay was ok.

I could even get a good look at the zombies, no deatil in the game what so ever.

try a better tv or glasses are always good ina cas elike this. the fact that if you did look at the zombies up close you'd see quite a lot of detail tells alot about how much you pay attention.

Is this english? The zombies just kept running out of bushes, While shooting them I couldn't even make out a their faces. Not like in Nazi Zombies where you zoom in on a zombie and see everything real clear. Like I said he was running it on composite cables which I'm sure didn't help, but the TV was a brand new 1080p. I was upset the PS3 didn't get this game, but after that showing I could care less. And that fat guy that spits at you, just looked horrible. Wasn't really that fun either. But if you want to talk about my attention, i think it would be best done ...
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[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!KH-mixerX

Agreed L4D is ridiculously shallow...

L4D is not a shallow game. Obviously you haven't played enough of it to grasp why people enjoy it so much. L4D has to be the most satisfying Zombie game I've ever played. Playing as the infected is where the real magic is though. Once you get all human players in a versus match and everyone with a mic, its hard to describe the enjoyment without experiencing it first hand.

well i just got the game, its great gameplay and still loving it. but i think it will also be like shadowrun, good gameplay but not enough variety ocontent to keep on playing. however that guy who said let 4 dead is corrupting kojima and saying its horrible game. have you even play it. not just that but not all games have to be all heavy on story aswell. look at hard boiled simple story but good shootouts and that was successful.
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[QUOTE="TJSAGE"][QUOTE="ceells87"][QUOTE="TJSAGE"]

I got to try Left 4 dead the other week on a buddies 360. he was using regular composite cables. But I thought this game was horrible. Guns wernt great, grahics were horrible, and the gameplay was ok.

I could even get a good look at the zombies, no deatil in the game what so ever.

try a better tv or glasses are always good ina cas elike this. the fact that if you did look at the zombies up close you'd see quite a lot of detail tells alot about how much you pay attention.

Is this english? The zombies just kept running out of bushes, While shooting them I couldn't even make out a their faces. Not like in Nazi Zombies where you zoom in on a zombie and see everything real clear. Like I said he was running it on composite cables which I'm sure didn't help, but the TV was a brand new 1080p. I was upset the PS3 didn't get this game, but after that showing I could care less. And that fat guy that spits at you, just looked horrible. Wasn't really that fun either. But if you want to talk about my attention, i think it would be best done ...

yes it is english, what it lacks was a misplaced space bar press which you already know so lets not get into that stupid squabble so many people think makes them feel smarter. as for zooming in or not being able to focus on their face when they run out of bushes at you, really? your going to say that. well it's obvious why in nazi zombies you can zoom in (ALL the weapons have iron sights or scopes). but if you took the time to just shoot a zombie down in L4D then looked at their face instead of shooting and running cause they're jumping out of bushes you'd see the detail. if someone came sprinting out of a bush at me right this second i promise you i wouldnt be able to make out the details of their face so why you said that is beyond me. and even composite cables on a brand new 1080p tv would show they detail fine unless is a crappy brand of tv that just says 1080p. an opinoin about the graphics is one thing and something everyone is entitled to but saying the game lacks actual detail in the graphics is a blatantly untrue
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I can't wait to find out what Kojima is preparing for us in 2009. The article mentions that Kojima might be working on 3 to 4 games at the same time.
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[QUOTE="TJSAGE"][QUOTE="ceells87"] try a better tv or glasses are always good ina cas elike this. the fact that if you did look at the zombies up close you'd see quite a lot of detail tells alot about how much you pay attention.ceells87
Is this english? The zombies just kept running out of bushes, While shooting them I couldn't even make out a their faces. Not like in Nazi Zombies where you zoom in on a zombie and see everything real clear. Like I said he was running it on composite cables which I'm sure didn't help, but the TV was a brand new 1080p. I was upset the PS3 didn't get this game, but after that showing I could care less. And that fat guy that spits at you, just looked horrible. Wasn't really that fun either. But if you want to talk about my attention, i think it would be best done ...

yes it is english, what it lacks was a misplaced space bar press which you already know so lets not get into that stupid squabble so many people think makes them feel smarter. as for zooming in or not being able to focus on their face when they run out of bushes at you, really? your going to say that. well it's obvious why in nazi zombies you can zoom in (ALL the weapons have iron sights or scopes). but if you took the time to just shoot a zombie down in L4D then looked at their face instead of shooting and running cause they're jumping out of bushes you'd see the detail. if someone came sprinting out of a bush at me right this second i promise you i wouldnt be able to make out the details of their face so why you said that is beyond me. and even composite cables on a brand new 1080p tv would show they detail fine unless is a crappy brand of tv that just says 1080p. an opinoin about the graphics is one thing and something everyone is entitled to but saying the game lacks actual detail in the graphics is a blatantly untrue

The game is EXTREMELY dated looking, and any attempts at saying otherwise are pointless and false. The game is built on an old engine basically, lacks many of the common features of modern FPS's like depth of field, has poor texture resolutions, etc. The game does not look good. Ive played it on a 26" Samsung 1080p television via Sony brand HDMI cable, and a 52" Panasonic Plasma via Honeywell HDMI cable and my opinion on its graphics did not sway. It looks like something out of 2006. And regarding your other statement directed towards me, yes, I admit that the multiplayer is engaging. As is Counter Strike or Day of Defeats. Would I pay a mind boggling $60 for them and claim them as a "great" game? No. Not at all. If L4D was $9.99 - $19.99 and acted as a mod, Id say it was great. As a stand alone game bearing a large price tag, and doesnt couple its multiplayer with a respectable single player, I think its horrible.
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"Meanwhile, the English-speaking world is a global one. The scariest scenario I see is people overseas taking the ideas from Japanese games, running the Hollywood business merchandising machine on them, and taking all the revenue. If that happens, then there won't be any new Japanese creators."

Good idea.
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Have you ever seen a japanese movie? Slow, confusing and sometimes just god damn stupid.

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Hmm, sounds a lot like Hollywood movies to me.

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[QUOTE="ceells87"][QUOTE="TJSAGE"] Is this english? The zombies just kept running out of bushes, While shooting them I couldn't even make out a their faces. Not like in Nazi Zombies where you zoom in on a zombie and see everything real clear. Like I said he was running it on composite cables which I'm sure didn't help, but the TV was a brand new 1080p. I was upset the PS3 didn't get this game, but after that showing I could care less. And that fat guy that spits at you, just looked horrible. Wasn't really that fun either. But if you want to talk about my attention, i think it would be best done ... raven_squad
yes it is english, what it lacks was a misplaced space bar press which you already know so lets not get into that stupid squabble so many people think makes them feel smarter. as for zooming in or not being able to focus on their face when they run out of bushes at you, really? your going to say that. well it's obvious why in nazi zombies you can zoom in (ALL the weapons have iron sights or scopes). but if you took the time to just shoot a zombie down in L4D then looked at their face instead of shooting and running cause they're jumping out of bushes you'd see the detail. if someone came sprinting out of a bush at me right this second i promise you i wouldnt be able to make out the details of their face so why you said that is beyond me. and even composite cables on a brand new 1080p tv would show they detail fine unless is a crappy brand of tv that just says 1080p. an opinoin about the graphics is one thing and something everyone is entitled to but saying the game lacks actual detail in the graphics is a blatantly untrue

The game is EXTREMELY dated looking, and any attempts at saying otherwise are pointless and false. The game is built on an old engine basically, lacks many of the common features of modern FPS's like depth of field, has poor texture resolutions, etc. The game does not look good. Ive played it on a 26" Samsung 1080p television via Sony brand HDMI cable, and a 52" Panasonic Plasma via Honeywell HDMI cable and my opinion on its graphics did not sway. It looks like something out of 2006. And regarding your other statement directed towards me, yes, I admit that the multiplayer is engaging. As is Counter Strike or Day of Defeats. Would I pay a mind boggling $60 for them and claim them as a "great" game? No. Not at all. If L4D was $9.99 - $19.99 and acted as a mod, Id say it was great. As a stand alone game bearing a large price tag, and doesnt couple its multiplayer with a respectable single player, I think its horrible.

That's what I saw , Something looked extremely out dated. I think me and that other guy need to hang out and play this game together to compare.... Where you from other ceels? Far from NY
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*Sees H.K playing l4d in own head*....Thats when I hope to have my dream game come around; Zombie game based in japan combined with kojimas brilliance.I gush at the idea which will never be.:(
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Give us ZOE3 Kojima, then go adore the western games!!
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[QUOTE="ceells87"][QUOTE="TJSAGE"] Is this english? The zombies just kept running out of bushes, While shooting them I couldn't even make out a their faces. Not like in Nazi Zombies where you zoom in on a zombie and see everything real clear. Like I said he was running it on composite cables which I'm sure didn't help, but the TV was a brand new 1080p. I was upset the PS3 didn't get this game, but after that showing I could care less. And that fat guy that spits at you, just looked horrible. Wasn't really that fun either. But if you want to talk about my attention, i think it would be best done ... raven_squad
yes it is english, what it lacks was a misplaced space bar press which you already know so lets not get into that stupid squabble so many people think makes them feel smarter. as for zooming in or not being able to focus on their face when they run out of bushes at you, really? your going to say that. well it's obvious why in nazi zombies you can zoom in (ALL the weapons have iron sights or scopes). but if you took the time to just shoot a zombie down in L4D then looked at their face instead of shooting and running cause they're jumping out of bushes you'd see the detail. if someone came sprinting out of a bush at me right this second i promise you i wouldnt be able to make out the details of their face so why you said that is beyond me. and even composite cables on a brand new 1080p tv would show they detail fine unless is a crappy brand of tv that just says 1080p. an opinoin about the graphics is one thing and something everyone is entitled to but saying the game lacks actual detail in the graphics is a blatantly untrue

The game is EXTREMELY dated looking, and any attempts at saying otherwise are pointless and false. The game is built on an old engine basically, lacks many of the common features of modern FPS's like depth of field, has poor texture resolutions, etc. The game does not look good. Ive played it on a 26" Samsung 1080p television via Sony brand HDMI cable, and a 52" Panasonic Plasma via Honeywell HDMI cable and my opinion on its graphics did not sway. It looks like something out of 2006. And regarding your other statement directed towards me, yes, I admit that the multiplayer is engaging. As is Counter Strike or Day of Defeats. Would I pay a mind boggling $60 for them and claim them as a "great" game? No. Not at all. If L4D was $9.99 - $19.99 and acted as a mod, Id say it was great. As a stand alone game bearing a large price tag, and doesnt couple its multiplayer with a respectable single player, I think its horrible.

why does everyone complain about graphics looking outdated if they dont look like COD4&5 or any other high profile game that is advertised for its graphical prowess. of course t doesnt look like them. Activision backs more money into treyarch and IW to make COD look as cutting edge as they can just like microsoft does for epic, bungie and how sony backs all their studios. DO you know who backs Valve...Valve. Everything comes out of their pockets. and if yo dont remember the graphics of this genereation back in 2006 you should go back and take a look. they look pretty damn good. nothing but Gears will look like gears, nothing but killzone will look like killzone and if you would do some research into how much money it would take to create a brand new graphics engine with nothing but that one companies money you'd turn around and say that the graphics are pretty damn good for what they have at their disposal. and as for paying $60 for it, ya i'll agree its a bit steep but gaming is an expensive hobby and if millions of people will pay $60 bucks to play halo, cod4&5, or gears online i think it's fair if they put out that price too cause lets face it none of those games have "respectable" single player campaigns cause no one wants to play FPS alone. Secret Service, Legendary, Fracture, and Frontlines. those are Shooters that dont looks good. L4D doesnt have the quality that big players like the ones i stated before but toe put them in the same catagorie as the ones i just listed is a disrespect to the developers and if your going to compare everything to the big titles then you should just shun everything else cause your not going to get many that have that high of quality
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So your basically saying, "yeah, I know its not that high of quality, but its made by a small company so Ill pay $60 for it". Logic does not compute.
[QUOTE="raven_squad"][QUOTE="ceells87"] yes it is english, what it lacks was a misplaced space bar press which you already know so lets not get into that stupid squabble so many people think makes them feel smarter. as for zooming in or not being able to focus on their face when they run out of bushes at you, really? your going to say that. well it's obvious why in nazi zombies you can zoom in (ALL the weapons have iron sights or scopes). but if you took the time to just shoot a zombie down in L4D then looked at their face instead of shooting and running cause they're jumping out of bushes you'd see the detail. if someone came sprinting out of a bush at me right this second i promise you i wouldnt be able to make out the details of their face so why you said that is beyond me. and even composite cables on a brand new 1080p tv would show they detail fine unless is a crappy brand of tv that just says 1080p. an opinoin about the graphics is one thing and something everyone is entitled to but saying the game lacks actual detail in the graphics is a blatantly untrueceells87
The game is EXTREMELY dated looking, and any attempts at saying otherwise are pointless and false. The game is built on an old engine basically, lacks many of the common features of modern FPS's like depth of field, has poor texture resolutions, etc. The game does not look good. Ive played it on a 26" Samsung 1080p television via Sony brand HDMI cable, and a 52" Panasonic Plasma via Honeywell HDMI cable and my opinion on its graphics did not sway. It looks like something out of 2006. And regarding your other statement directed towards me, yes, I admit that the multiplayer is engaging. As is Counter Strike or Day of Defeats. Would I pay a mind boggling $60 for them and claim them as a "great" game? No. Not at all. If L4D was $9.99 - $19.99 and acted as a mod, Id say it was great. As a stand alone game bearing a large price tag, and doesnt couple its multiplayer with a respectable single player, I think its horrible.

why does everyone complain about graphics looking outdated if they dont look like COD4&5 or any other high profile game that is advertised for its graphical prowess. of course t doesnt look like them. Activision backs more money into treyarch and IW to make COD look as cutting edge as they can just like microsoft does for epic, bungie and how sony backs all their studios. DO you know who backs Valve...Valve. Everything comes out of their pockets. and if yo dont remember the graphics of this genereation back in 2006 you should go back and take a look. they look pretty damn good. nothing but Gears will look like gears, nothing but killzone will look like killzone and if you would do some research into how much money it would take to create a brand new graphics engine with nothing but that one companies money you'd turn around and say that the graphics are pretty damn good for what they have at their disposal. and as for paying $60 for it, ya i'll agree its a bit steep but gaming is an expensive hobby and if millions of people will pay $60 bucks to play halo, cod4&5, or gears online i think it's fair if they put out that price too cause lets face it none of those games have "respectable" single player campaigns cause no one wants to play FPS alone. Secret Service, Legendary, Fracture, and Frontlines. those are Shooters that dont looks good. L4D doesnt have the quality that big players like the ones i stated before but toe put them in the same catagorie as the ones i just listed is a disrespect to the developers and if your going to compare everything to the big titles then you should just shun everything else cause your not going to get many that have that high of quality

Just a few points: So your basically saying, "yeah, I know its not that high of quality, but its made by a small company so Ill pay $60 for it". That logic does not compute. And the reason that I feel perfectly fine comparing Left 4 Dead to the big titles is quite simple. Its rated along side them, and it costs the same as them. If it was 20 bucks I would praise it for being a well done mulitplayer add-on.
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So your basically saying, "yeah, I know its not that high of quality, but its made by a small company so Ill pay $60 for it". Logic does not compute. [QUOTE="ceells87"][QUOTE="raven_squad"] The game is EXTREMELY dated looking, and any attempts at saying otherwise are pointless and false. The game is built on an old engine basically, lacks many of the common features of modern FPS's like depth of field, has poor texture resolutions, etc. The game does not look good. Ive played it on a 26" Samsung 1080p television via Sony brand HDMI cable, and a 52" Panasonic Plasma via Honeywell HDMI cable and my opinion on its graphics did not sway. It looks like something out of 2006. And regarding your other statement directed towards me, yes, I admit that the multiplayer is engaging. As is Counter Strike or Day of Defeats. Would I pay a mind boggling $60 for them and claim them as a "great" game? No. Not at all. If L4D was $9.99 - $19.99 and acted as a mod, Id say it was great. As a stand alone game bearing a large price tag, and doesnt couple its multiplayer with a respectable single player, I think its horrible. raven_squad
why does everyone complain about graphics looking outdated if they dont look like COD4&5 or any other high profile game that is advertised for its graphical prowess. of course t doesnt look like them. Activision backs more money into treyarch and IW to make COD look as cutting edge as they can just like microsoft does for epic, bungie and how sony backs all their studios. DO you know who backs Valve...Valve. Everything comes out of their pockets. and if yo dont remember the graphics of this genereation back in 2006 you should go back and take a look. they look pretty damn good. nothing but Gears will look like gears, nothing but killzone will look like killzone and if you would do some research into how much money it would take to create a brand new graphics engine with nothing but that one companies money you'd turn around and say that the graphics are pretty damn good for what they have at their disposal. and as for paying $60 for it, ya i'll agree its a bit steep but gaming is an expensive hobby and if millions of people will pay $60 bucks to play halo, cod4&5, or gears online i think it's fair if they put out that price too cause lets face it none of those games have "respectable" single player campaigns cause no one wants to play FPS alone. Secret Service, Legendary, Fracture, and Frontlines. those are Shooters that dont looks good. L4D doesnt have the quality that big players like the ones i stated before but toe put them in the same catagorie as the ones i just listed is a disrespect to the developers and if your going to compare everything to the big titles then you should just shun everything else cause your not going to get many that have that high of quality

Just a few points: So your basically saying, "yeah, I know its not that high of quality, but its made by a small company so Ill pay $60 for it". That logic does not compute. And the reason that I feel perfectly fine comparing Left 4 Dead to the big titles is quite simple. Its rated along side them, and it costs the same as them. If it was 20 bucks I would praise it for being a well done mulitplayer add-on.

Ding Ding Ding and you win.... Logic > Ceells
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So your basically saying, "yeah, I know its not that high of quality, but its made by a small company so Ill pay $60 for it". Logic does not compute. [QUOTE="ceells87"][QUOTE="raven_squad"] why does everyone complain about graphics looking outdated if they dont look like COD4&5 or any other high profile game that is advertised for its graphical prowess. of course t doesnt look like them. Activision backs more money into treyarch and IW to make COD look as cutting edge as they can just like microsoft does for epic, bungie and how sony backs all their studios. DO you know who backs Valve...Valve. Everything comes out of their pockets. and if yo dont remember the graphics of this genereation back in 2006 you should go back and take a look. they look pretty damn good. nothing but Gears will look like gears, nothing but killzone will look like killzone and if you would do some research into how much money it would take to create a brand new graphics engine with nothing but that one companies money you'd turn around and say that the graphics are pretty damn good for what they have at their disposal. and as for paying $60 for it, ya i'll agree its a bit steep but gaming is an expensive hobby and if millions of people will pay $60 bucks to play halo, cod4&5, or gears online i think it's fair if they put out that price too cause lets face it none of those games have "respectable" single player campaigns cause no one wants to play FPS alone. Secret Service, Legendary, Fracture, and Frontlines. those are Shooters that dont looks good. L4D doesnt have the quality that big players like the ones i stated before but toe put them in the same catagorie as the ones i just listed is a disrespect to the developers and if your going to compare everything to the big titles then you should just shun everything else cause your not going to get many that have that high of qualityraven_squad
Just a few points: So your basically saying, "yeah, I know its not that high of quality, but its made by a small company so Ill pay $60 for it". That logic does not compute. And the reason that I feel perfectly fine comparing Left 4 Dead to the big titles is quite simple. Its rated along side them, and it costs the same as them. If it was 20 bucks I would praise it for being a well done mulitplayer add-on.

Ding Ding Ding and you win.... Logic > Ceells

Xbox Live arcade games are rated alongside big name titles. And I didnt say i'd pay $60 for it because its made by a small company. I paid $60 because its a game with amazing qualities, entertaining as hell, more fun to play with friends than any of the big name titles as well as numerous other reasons i'll list if you need them. Saying its not that high of quality in graphics isnt putting it down. I didnt say anywhere the graphics were bad, infact i'm arguing the opposite. Thats my logic and so far alot more people agree with me than the two of you. So i'm sorry if you think it's stupid that we dish out $60 for a game we all find very entertaining while your hoarding your money away waiting for the next "big thing" but we have that. So ding ding ding....theres some logic to wrap your head around. feel free to drop by anytime. bye bye now :D
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[QUOTE="raven_squad"]So your basically saying, "yeah, I know its not that high of quality, but its made by a small company so Ill pay $60 for it". Logic does not compute. [QUOTE="ceells87"] Just a few points: So your basically saying, "yeah, I know its not that high of quality, but its made by a small company so Ill pay $60 for it". That logic does not compute. And the reason that I feel perfectly fine comparing Left 4 Dead to the big titles is quite simple. Its rated along side them, and it costs the same as them. If it was 20 bucks I would praise it for being a well done mulitplayer add-on. ceells87
Ding Ding Ding and you win.... Logic > Ceells

Xbox Live arcade games are rated alongside big name titles. And I didnt say i'd pay $60 for it because its made by a small company. I paid $60 because its a game with amazing qualities, entertaining as hell, more fun to play with friends than any of the big name titles as well as numerous other reasons i'll list if you need them. Saying its not that high of quality in graphics isnt putting it down. I didnt say anywhere the graphics were bad, infact i'm arguing the opposite. Thats my logic and so far alot more people agree with me than the two of you. So i'm sorry if you think it's stupid that we dish out $60 for a game we all find very entertaining while your hoarding your money away waiting for the next "big thing" but we have that. So ding ding ding....theres some logic to wrap your head around. feel free to drop by anytime. bye bye now :D

XBL arcade games aren't 60 dollars when in fact most of them have more to do than the 60 dollar L4D
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sweet maybe ill see kojima online

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I played Valkyria Chronicles, loved it, thought of making some games, and considered quitting being Canadian. WHERE THE HELL IS MY ARTICLE ON KOTAKU?!
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[QUOTE="ceells87"][QUOTE="raven_squad"] Ding Ding Ding and you win.... Logic > Ceellsamericahellyeah
Xbox Live arcade games are rated alongside big name titles. And I didnt say i'd pay $60 for it because its made by a small company. I paid $60 because its a game with amazing qualities, entertaining as hell, more fun to play with friends than any of the big name titles as well as numerous other reasons i'll list if you need them. Saying its not that high of quality in graphics isnt putting it down. I didnt say anywhere the graphics were bad, infact i'm arguing the opposite. Thats my logic and so far alot more people agree with me than the two of you. So i'm sorry if you think it's stupid that we dish out $60 for a game we all find very entertaining while your hoarding your money away waiting for the next "big thing" but we have that. So ding ding ding....theres some logic to wrap your head around. feel free to drop by anytime. bye bye now :D

XBL arcade games aren't 60 dollars when in fact most of them have more to do than the 60 dollar L4D

So now, its gotten so bad you have to stack a big, hyped up, years in the making game against... Live arcade games... that start at generally 1/5th the cost... :lol:
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[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]Dissappointed to hear that out of Kojima. Left 4 Dead is a horrible game. AMERICA IS CORRUPTING KOJIMA!raven_squad
It is no way horrible.

May I ask what makes it good besides multiplayer?

This game is a party game. Alone, it is useless but if you have a whole bunch of friends come over and plat or even over Xbox Live, it is very fun. Me and my buds play it all the time.
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Nothing wrong with Kojima enjoying different games. Looking forward to his future projects.
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Give us ZOE3 Kojima, then go adore the western games!!Generalmojo

ZOE3 will eventually come out, however, I don't want Kojima to turn "WEST", I'd like to see western developers turn "japanese" for a change.