MGS4 breath taking news!!!

look at pic of big boss then old snake

old snakes eye system is on the wrong eye so it cant be big boss

notchewable

Who knows

so where do i begin taking apart that blog?

Solid Snake couldn't have aged so drastically from the events of MGS2 to MGS4. MGS4 takes place probably a year or two after MGS2 evidenced by the E3 2005 teaser poster with Raiden carrying a baby which is either his and Rosemary's or Olga's
- it takes place 7 years after mgs2. kojima comfired that solid snake is the same as as kojima in mgs4 (43) meaning it takes place 14 years after. although kojima will be 44 by the time mgs4 comes out. so will that change? also the baby can be some one elses, believe it or not, more people can have babies other then rose and olga.

Gray Fox was brought back from the dead as well and was constantly going out of control saying that he needed some kind of "medicine"!
- no, gray fox never once mentioned medicine, he was put through a ton of pain, and was a cyborg.

In the pictures and in the trailer shown at this years' Tokyo Game Show you can see the oldman carrying a gun and a knife at the same time. This is Big Boss' stance from MGS3:Snake Eater. - big boss taught solid snake. this argument annoys me. believe it or not but cqc was a gameplay element, soild snake can do what ever kojima thinks would be fun. besides from mgs1 talk, solid snake knows a evoled form of cqc, that being cqb. but its besides the point. they didnt include knifes in mgs 1 or 2 because they didnt feel they had to, not because solid snake doesnt know how to use them.

Think about it. He has the "Solid Eye System" eye-patch and the knife/gun CQC stance.
- big boss's right eye is gone, this mgs4 character has the eye patch on the left eye....you might reply"maybe its solidus, then?"......but no, no it isnt.

Another very important thing to note is the scene in the 15 minute E3 2006 trailer with the old man saluting at The Boss' grave which the same graveyard from the ending scene in MGS3:Snake Eater. - i agree, it is stupid if solid snake is saluting the boss's grave. the boss is a tool and from mgs2 solid snake hates that. although its possible that big boss is "buried" next to the boss. although i think this is a case of one of those narrative mistakes by kojima, we have seen alot of those.

however yoou go on a rant which makes no sense. otacon ccalling big boss "snake" because of his old code name, which was used for one single mission???? seems stupid. also your forgettign that campbell has been solid snakes commanding for years. hat's right, you heard me. A YOUNG SOLID SNAKE!! This is NOT the oldman we've seen in the previous MGS4 trailers. He is Solid Snake. Young and smoking. He still looks the same as he did from Sons of Liberty, mullet and all!!!
- just like raiden was getting his arsed kicked by volgin in the mgs3 trailers? and just like how at the beginning of mgs3 snake took off his mask to reveal he was none other then raiden?
its a mask, its a fan service, so we get the opportunity to play as a young snake, to please fans, just like the raiden mask in mgs3.

your theory is full of holes and a utter disgard of facts.

spoilers-

big boss is a patriot, now why on earth would we be playing as a patriot? big boss was born in the early 1930s making him 80+ in mgs4. the guy in mgs4 looks prety damn good for a 80+ year old.
solid snake suffers from accelrated aging, duue to his cloning, if you would of listerned to vast amount of codec calls and cutscenes you would of learned of this, and how it affected solidus and solid snake.
and raiden clearly says, "my turn to protect you, snake" now dont get me wrong, but i really doubt that big boss has saved raiden's back, after it was him who manipulated him all those years ago.

lets not forget the various times kojima has said it, lets not forget the various mentions of solid snake, and even liquid ocelot's speech referring to cane and abel. lets not forget the facts.

yes there is a young snake who takes a smoke through a mask, but in the tgs05 trailer, snake blows smoke on to otacon's robot and otacon actually coughs. we have enough visual evidence to know that its old snake who is next to that statue.feel_freetwo

Everyone needs to listen to this guy, and if you want to go a little deeper Otacons MK2 scanner says Solid Snake in the TGS05 trailer and the ghekkous scanners say SS search mode.

i agree with these theories one hundred percent. i always thought that it was probably big boss, just never took the time to put together the pieces. i remember the instant i thought it, when he stands saluting a grave that was titled The Boss identical to the scene at the end of Snake Eater. Considering everything this guy says, all the points he makes, and then on top of the fact that Kojima intends for this game to be the final revealing of everything ending, i'm confident to say that that is in fact Big Boss. The way i look at it, by making Snake Eater, Kojima has tried to turn his Metal Gear saga into a star wars type of story telling, we see now (if this is infact Big Boss), the story through out all the games is centered on Big Boss, not Solid Snake (like how after we were given the star wars prequels, we now understand that the entire star wars story was really centered on Anakin Skywalker, not his son Luke). I think that in this game, Big Boss will finally get the ending that he always wanted, all the truth and lies might surface. ronniepage588

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]so where do i begin taking apart that blog?

Solid Snake couldn't have aged so drastically from the events of MGS2 to MGS4. MGS4 takes place probably a year or two after MGS2 evidenced by the E3 2005 teaser poster with Raiden carrying a baby which is either his and Rosemary's or Olga's
- it takes place 7 years after mgs2. kojima comfired that solid snake is the same as as kojima in mgs4 (43) meaning it takes place 14 years after. although kojima will be 44 by the time mgs4 comes out. so will that change? also the baby can be some one elses, believe it or not, more people can have babies other then rose and olga.

Gray Fox was brought back from the dead as well and was constantly going out of control saying that he needed some kind of "medicine"!
- no, gray fox never once mentioned medicine, he was put through a ton of pain, and was a cyborg.

In the pictures and in the trailer shown at this years' Tokyo Game Show you can see the oldman carrying a gun and a knife at the same time. This is Big Boss' stance from MGS3:Snake Eater. - big boss taught solid snake. this argument annoys me. believe it or not but cqc was a gameplay element, soild snake can do what ever kojima thinks would be fun. besides from mgs1 talk, solid snake knows a evoled form of cqc, that being cqb. but its besides the point. they didnt include knifes in mgs 1 or 2 because they didnt feel they had to, not because solid snake doesnt know how to use them.

Think about it. He has the "Solid Eye System" eye-patch and the knife/gun CQC stance.
- big boss's right eye is gone, this mgs4 character has the eye patch on the left eye....you might reply"maybe its solidus, then?"......but no, no it isnt.

Another very important thing to note is the scene in the 15 minute E3 2006 trailer with the old man saluting at The Boss' grave which the same graveyard from the ending scene in MGS3:Snake Eater. - i agree, it is stupid if solid snake is saluting the boss's grave. the boss is a tool and from mgs2 solid snake hates that. although its possible that big boss is "buried" next to the boss. although i think this is a case of one of those narrative mistakes by kojima, we have seen alot of those.

however yoou go on a rant which makes no sense. otacon ccalling big boss "snake" because of his old code name, which was used for one single mission???? seems stupid. also your forgettign that campbell has been solid snakes commanding for years. hat's right, you heard me. A YOUNG SOLID SNAKE!! This is NOT the oldman we've seen in the previous MGS4 trailers. He is Solid Snake. Young and smoking. He still looks the same as he did from Sons of Liberty, mullet and all!!!
- just like raiden was getting his arsed kicked by volgin in the mgs3 trailers? and just like how at the beginning of mgs3 snake took off his mask to reveal he was none other then raiden?
its a mask, its a fan service, so we get the opportunity to play as a young snake, to please fans, just like the raiden mask in mgs3.

your theory is full of holes and a utter disgard of facts.

spoilers-

big boss is a patriot, now why on earth would we be playing as a patriot? big boss was born in the early 1930s making him 80+ in mgs4. the guy in mgs4 looks prety damn good for a 80+ year old.
solid snake suffers from accelrated aging, duue to his cloning, if you would of listerned to vast amount of codec calls and cutscenes you would of learned of this, and how it affected solidus and solid snake.
and raiden clearly says, "my turn to protect you, snake" now dont get me wrong, but i really doubt that big boss has saved raiden's back, after it was him who manipulated him all those years ago.

lets not forget the various times kojima has said it, lets not forget the various mentions of solid snake, and even liquid ocelot's speech referring to cane and abel. lets not forget the facts.

yes there is a young snake who takes a smoke through a mask, but in the tgs05 trailer, snake blows smoke on to otacon's robot and otacon actually coughs. we have enough visual evidence to know that its old snake who is next to that statue.treelog187

Everyone needs to listen to this guy, and if you want to go a little deeper Otacons MK2 scanner says Solid Snake in the TGS05 trailer and the ghekkous scanners say SS search mode.

Is this thread some kind of joke? There's no way that BB's 100 year old+ burnt to a crisp body will be making an appearence in MGS4.

 Old Snake looks 65 tops, there's no doubt that Old Snake is Solid Snake.

wow.... I came in knowing nothign about Metal Gear solid, and im leaving, after 6 pages, knowing everythign about it....Haseokicksass

Wait, who´s big boss again?Sim_genius

The star of Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops. Codename Naked Snake before he killed his mentor The Boss.

 He aged and became the villian in Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, in which he was killed by a young Solid Snake.

[QUOTE="Sim_genius"]Wait, who´s big boss again?FLSTYLE

The star of Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops. Codename Naked Snake before he killed his mentor The Boss.

He aged and became the villian in Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, in which he was killed by a young Solid Snake.

[QUOTE="FLSTYLE"]

[QUOTE="Sim_genius"]Wait, who´s big boss again?feel_freetwo

The star of Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops. Codename Naked Snake before he killed his mentor The Boss.

He aged and became the villian in Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, in which he was killed by a young Solid Snake.

What part of 100 year old+ burnt to a crisp body do you not understand? 

The "oldman" pictured in the trailers, for the upcoming metal gear solid game for ps3 is NOT Solid snake, but none other than BIG BOSS!!!.

www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5599940&pager.offset=6

now this isn't official obviously, but to me it's as good as fact when you put everything together.

Ricko1234

IMPOSSIBLE. Big Boss does not know Otacon. It's that simple. 

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]so where do i begin taking apart that blog?

Solid Snake couldn't have aged so drastically from the events of MGS2 to MGS4. MGS4 takes place probably a year or two after MGS2 evidenced by the E3 2005 teaser poster with Raiden carrying a baby which is either his and Rosemary's or Olga's
- it takes place 7 years after mgs2. kojima comfired that solid snake is the same as as kojima in mgs4 (43) meaning it takes place 14 years after. although kojima will be 44 by the time mgs4 comes out. so will that change? also the baby can be some one elses, believe it or not, more people can have babies other then rose and olga.

Gray Fox was brought back from the dead as well and was constantly going out of control saying that he needed some kind of "medicine"!
- no, gray fox never once mentioned medicine, he was put through a ton of pain, and was a cyborg.

In the pictures and in the trailer shown at this years' Tokyo Game Show you can see the oldman carrying a gun and a knife at the same time. This is Big Boss' stance from MGS3:Snake Eater. - big boss taught solid snake. this argument annoys me. believe it or not but cqc was a gameplay element, soild snake can do what ever kojima thinks would be fun. besides from mgs1 talk, solid snake knows a evoled form of cqc, that being cqb. but its besides the point. they didnt include knifes in mgs 1 or 2 because they didnt feel they had to, not because solid snake doesnt know how to use them.

Think about it. He has the "Solid Eye System" eye-patch and the knife/gun CQC stance.
- big boss's right eye is gone, this mgs4 character has the eye patch on the left eye....you might reply"maybe its solidus, then?"......but no, no it isnt.

Another very important thing to note is the scene in the 15 minute E3 2006 trailer with the old man saluting at The Boss' grave which the same graveyard from the ending scene in MGS3:Snake Eater. - i agree, it is stupid if solid snake is saluting the boss's grave. the boss is a tool and from mgs2 solid snake hates that. although its possible that big boss is "buried" next to the boss. although i think this is a case of one of those narrative mistakes by kojima, we have seen alot of those.

however yoou go on a rant which makes no sense. otacon ccalling big boss "snake" because of his old code name, which was used for one single mission???? seems stupid. also your forgettign that campbell has been solid snakes commanding for years. hat's right, you heard me. A YOUNG SOLID SNAKE!! This is NOT the oldman we've seen in the previous MGS4 trailers. He is Solid Snake. Young and smoking. He still looks the same as he did from Sons of Liberty, mullet and all!!!
- just like raiden was getting his arsed kicked by volgin in the mgs3 trailers? and just like how at the beginning of mgs3 snake took off his mask to reveal he was none other then raiden?
its a mask, its a fan service, so we get the opportunity to play as a young snake, to please fans, just like the raiden mask in mgs3.

your theory is full of holes and a utter disgard of facts.

spoilers-

big boss is a patriot, now why on earth would we be playing as a patriot? big boss was born in the early 1930s making him 80+ in mgs4. the guy in mgs4 looks prety damn good for a 80+ year old.
solid snake suffers from accelrated aging, duue to his cloning, if you would of listerned to vast amount of codec calls and cutscenes you would of learned of this, and how it affected solidus and solid snake.
and raiden clearly says, "my turn to protect you, snake" now dont get me wrong, but i really doubt that big boss has saved raiden's back, after it was him who manipulated him all those years ago.

lets not forget the various times kojima has said it, lets not forget the various mentions of solid snake, and even liquid ocelot's speech referring to cane and abel. lets not forget the facts.

yes there is a young snake who takes a smoke through a mask, but in the tgs05 trailer, snake blows smoke on to otacon's robot and otacon actually coughs. we have enough visual evidence to know that its old snake who is next to that statue.treelog187

Everyone needs to listen to this guy, and if you want to go a little deeper Otacons MK2 scanner says Solid Snake in the TGS05 trailer and the ghekkous scanners say SS search mode.

He's right this guy knows his MGS. Everyone on here could learn a thing or two from him! 

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"][QUOTE="FLSTYLE"]

[QUOTE="Sim_genius"]Wait, who´s big boss again?FLSTYLE

The star of Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops. Codename Naked Snake before he killed his mentor The Boss.

He aged and became the villian in Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, in which he was killed by a young Solid Snake.

What part of 100 year old+ burnt to a crisp body do you not understand?

[QUOTE="Keasy4"]its not big boss cuz he is dead be4 MGS.. and its not a eye patch is u see the trailer in some sceens he is not wearing the eye device..Ricko1234

who says he's dead????? grey fox who presumed dead multiple times. ALso a younger snake makes an appearence in the trailers to. explain that please? I belive that both ledgendary snakes are in this game.

in mgs1, liquid wanted big bosses remains

+ snake kills him back in metal gear for the nes 

[QUOTE="FLSTYLE"] MGS3 was set in 1964, Big Boss's age could've been anywhere from 30 - 40.

MGS2 was set in 2009, Big Boss would be 45 years older, 75 - 85.

Even though Solid Snake looks very old in MGS4 I'd say his body is no older than that of a 65 year old.

Potentially BB is 30 years older than what SS looks like in MGS4.

There
is no way BB's burnt to a crisp, 85+ year old body will be appearing in
MGS4 unless there's two Cyborg Ninjas. At the very least there is 0
possibility that Old Snake and BB are one and the same.

feel_freetwo

 Ok then, why don't you try explaining how it would add to the story bringing BB back? There's nothing he can tell SS that Liquid Ocelot couldn't. I can appreciate you stickingwith your people coming back line but unless there's a reason what's the point?

The "oldman" pictured in the trailers, for the upcoming metal gear solid game for ps3 is NOT Solid snake, but none other than BIG BOSS!!!.

www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5599940&pager.offset=6

now this isn't official obviously, but to me it's as good as fact when you put everything together. 

Ricko1234

i thought about this a while back after going through all the vids.it clicked when I saw the young snake and then the snake with the eyepatch. anyone who is a fan of the series should have at least came up with this as a quick thought jsut by watching the trailers. it would be cool it solid and big boss teamed up together for the finale!!!!! well, we wont know for sure until the game kicks off!

[QUOTE="Nichol4s"]then why is liquid snake also so old?Ricko1234

liquid snake? I dont understand 

play metal gear solid 1 to know who liquid snake is

and liquid snake isnt old he is in ocelots arm and some how liquid snakes arm was able to take over ocelots body which was already old to begin with

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"][QUOTE="FLSTYLE"] MGS3 was set in 1964, Big Boss's age could've been anywhere from 30 - 40.

MGS2 was set in 2009, Big Boss would be 45 years older, 75 - 85.

Even though Solid Snake looks very old in MGS4 I'd say his body is no older than that of a 65 year old.

Potentially BB is 30 years older than what SS looks like in MGS4.

There
is no way BB's burnt to a crisp, 85+ year old body will be appearing in
MGS4 unless there's two Cyborg Ninjas. At the very least there is 0
possibility that Old Snake and BB are one and the same.

FLSTYLE

Ok then, why don't you try explaining how it would add to the story bringing BB back? There's nothing he can tell SS that Liquid Ocelot couldn't. I can appreciate you stickingwith your people coming back line but unless there's a reason what's the point?

They way he guy explains it makes alot of sense...but he left out a bunch of things. Big boss had his eye SHOT OFF..So how did he have both eyes back? also the character in the trailers had the solid eye system on the opposite eye in which big boss had the patch on. so that theory is debunked. Alson ninja spoke about medicine because he was infected with the fox die aswell. Snakes body seems to be going through some tough **** fighting off this same viruse for so long.. Also big boss was killed by snake. They were positive he was dead. He was only frozen to keep his dna intack for the colnes they create short after...shabie12si

[QUOTE="Ricko1234"]The most telling thing about this to me is the eyepatch. SOlid snake didn't have an eyepatch but this guy does (and so did big boss).

So this "eye patch" makes him Big Boss? Are you THAT dense??

Maybe you should read into what exactly this "eye patch" is and why SOLID SNAKE's body is basicly breaking down. I've posted about this in another thread about "Is this Big Boss?" BS and I got asked if I was mad to calm down? Well this is why I said to shut up and grow a brain people. Why even bring this up when the info is obviously out there, and these dumb topics are being created all over again. We've got spammed about this stuff before (when the last 2 trailers came out) and for the last time, please actually use that wonderful organ called A BRAIN and muster up enough brain power to know

IT IS NOT  BIG BOSS

How many times do you idiots need to be told??? Seriously? And before anybody goes crying to a mod about being an idiot, maybe you should get a clue first. Every Metal Gear fan should know this by now, cause we sure as hell all do. It's also been confirmed that it is Solid Snake.  

[QUOTE="shabie12si"]They way he guy explains it makes alot of sense...but he left out a bunch of things. Big boss had his eye SHOT OFF..So how did he have both eyes back? also the character in the trailers had the solid eye system on the opposite eye in which big boss had the patch on. so that theory is debunked. Alson ninja spoke about medicine because he was infected with the fox die aswell. Snakes body seems to be going through some tough **** fighting off this same viruse for so long.. Also big boss was killed by snake. They were positive he was dead. He was only frozen to keep his dna intack for the colnes they create short after...

It's not Foxdie that's killing him. It's cause he's a clone and he's rapidly aging and his cells are breaking down. Remember, Foxdie kills you quickly mimicking a heart attack. Snake would've died at the end of his mission or even in MGS2 if it targeted him, and it wouldn't slowly kill him. That stuff he's taking is to keep him alive, to slow down the process. I'm certain that isn't Foxdie, cause logically (like I've explained above) it would've been over way before MGS4, and it wouldn't happen slowly. Also I think that maybe cause Foxdie cannot kill the carrier, that or Snake just wasn't targeted in the first place. 

It's
not Foxdie that's killing him. It's cause he's a clone and he's rapidly
aging and his cells are breaking down. Remember, Foxdie kills you
quickly mimicking a heart attack. Snake would've died at the end of his
mission or even in MGS2 if it targeted him, and it wouldn't slowly kill
him. That stuff he's taking is to keep him alive, to slow down the
process. I'm certain that isn't Foxdie, cause logically (like I've
explained above) it would've been over way before MGS4, and it wouldn't
happen slowly. Also I think that maybe cause Foxdie cannot kill the
carrier, that or Snake just wasn't targeted in the first place

It took a long a** time for FoxDie to kill Liquid and even when he had an heart attack at the end of the game he got back up for a while,but then again he lives on through Ocelot so he never really died

It's
not Foxdie that's killing him. It's cause he's a clone and he's rapidly
aging and his cells are breaking down. Remember, Foxdie kills you
quickly mimicking a heart attack. Snake would've died at the end of his
mission or even in MGS2 if it targeted him, and it wouldn't slowly kill
him. That stuff he's taking is to keep him alive, to slow down the
process. I'm certain that isn't Foxdie, cause logically (like I've
explained above) it would've been over way before MGS4, and it wouldn't
happen slowly. Also I think that maybe cause Foxdie cannot kill the
carrier, that or Snake just wasn't targeted in the first place

It took a long a** time to kill Liquid and even when he had an heart attack at the end of the game he got back up for a while,but then again he lives on through Ocelot so he never really died

Don't forget, Liquid was a tough guy. I mean he got up after having his heart attack, and ofcoarse for story reasons, it would seriously suck if they killed off Liquid so easily like that. He's Snake's #1 rival after all. Ocelot didn't die cause he was a sleeper for The Patriots. It's that drive, that drive to get revenge on Snake that keeps in alive in Ocelot. Also it's been said that Ocelot could be a medium (Boss and Sorrow's son) and that's how Liquid took over his body through his cells and whatnot. So far it's the only logical explaination that's been thrown around. 

The most telling thing about this to me is the eyepatch. SOlid snake didn't have an eyepatch but this guy does (and so did big boss). Ricko1234

[QUOTE="shabie12si"]They way he guy explains it makes alot of sense...but he left out a bunch of things. Big boss had his eye SHOT OFF..So how did he have both eyes back? also the character in the trailers had the solid eye system on the opposite eye in which big boss had the patch on. so that theory is debunked. Alson ninja spoke about medicine because he was infected with the fox die aswell. Snakes body seems to be going through some tough **** fighting off this same viruse for so long.. Also big boss was killed by snake. They were positive he was dead. He was only frozen to keep his dna intack for the colnes they create short after...

It's not Foxdie that's killing him. It's cause he's a clone and he's rapidly aging and his cells are breaking down. Remember, Foxdie kills you quickly mimicking a heart attack. Snake would've died at the end of his mission or even in MGS2 if it targeted him, and it wouldn't slowly kill him. That stuff he's taking is to keep him alive, to slow down the process. I'm certain that isn't Foxdie, cause logically (like I've explained above) it would've been over way before MGS4, and it wouldn't happen slowly. Also I think that maybe cause Foxdie cannot kill the carrier, that or Snake just wasn't targeted in the first place. 

[QUOTE="shabie12si"]They way he guy explains it makes alot of sense...but he left out a bunch of things. Big boss had his eye SHOT OFF..So how did he have both eyes back? also the character in the trailers had the solid eye system on the opposite eye in which big boss had the patch on. so that theory is debunked. Alson ninja spoke about medicine because he was infected with the fox die aswell. Snakes body seems to be going through some tough **** fighting off this same viruse for so long.. Also big boss was killed by snake. They were positive he was dead. He was only frozen to keep his dna intack for the colnes they create short after...

It's not Foxdie that's killing him. It's cause he's a clone and he's rapidly aging and his cells are breaking down. Remember, Foxdie kills you quickly mimicking a heart attack. Snake would've died at the end of his mission or even in MGS2 if it targeted him, and it wouldn't slowly kill him. That stuff he's taking is to keep him alive, to slow down the process. I'm certain that isn't Foxdie, cause logically (like I've explained above) it would've been over way before MGS4, and it wouldn't happen slowly. Also I think that maybe cause Foxdie cannot kill the carrier, that or Snake just wasn't targeted in the first place.

[QUOTE="Denji"]

[QUOTE="shabie12si"]They way he guy explains it makes alot of
sense...but he left out a bunch of things. Big boss had his eye SHOT
OFF..So how did he have both eyes back? also the character in the
trailers had the solid eye system on the opposite eye in which big boss
had the patch on. so that theory is debunked. Alson ninja spoke about
medicine because he was infected with the fox die aswell. Snakes body
seems to be going through some tough **** fighting off this same viruse
for so long.. Also big boss was killed by snake. They were positive he was dead. He was only frozen to keep his dna intack for the colnes they create short after...shabie12si

It's
not Foxdie that's killing him. It's cause he's a clone and he's rapidly
aging and his cells are breaking down. Remember, Foxdie kills you
quickly mimicking a heart attack. Snake would've died at the end of his
mission or even in MGS2 if it targeted him, and it wouldn't slowly kill
him. That stuff he's taking is to keep him alive, to slow down the
process. I'm certain that isn't Foxdie, cause logically (like I've
explained above) it would've been over way before MGS4, and it wouldn't
happen slowly. Also I think that maybe cause Foxdie cannot kill the
carrier, that or Snake just wasn't targeted in the first place.

Oh they knew alright. The Patriots never left anything unturned and I'm telling you it won't be Foxdie. The Foxdie protines were programmed for a select few (Baker and members of Foxhound minus Ocelot) and if they were programmed to kill Snake, it would've happened long ago (cause they were pissed at Snake for disappearing and joining Otatcon, hence the set up of the Tanker incident in MGS2). Foxdie doesn't affect Snake, cause he would've died right along with Liquid (also cause he's the carrier) Bidding on time and infiltration, you couldn't kill off Snake cause he has to come in contact with all Foxdie was programmed to kill. Snake is well alive even in 2009 during The Big Shell incident. But he was getting older. Solidus was suffering from the same thing he's suffering in MGS4, only in MGS4 (which is quite sometime after 2) it's in it's advanced stage. Cause he's a clone, plain and simple. His body and his cells are starting to die, and aging him at a much more rapid rate than a normal human. Foxdie isn't a virus, and it doesn't cause aging. Foxdie causes the cells in your heart to moreless "kill themselves" mimicking a heart attack (3:59 am, tired, I'm not using the correct scientific terms used in the game).

I know it can't be Foxdie, cause it's impossible logically. 

[QUOTE="Keasy4"][QUOTE="Ricko1234"][QUOTE="njpj"][QUOTE="Ricko1234"]

[QUOTE="Keasy4"]its not big boss cuz he is dead be4 MGS.. and its not a eye patch is u see the trailer in some sceens he is not wearing the eye device..Ricko1234

who says he's dead????? grey fox who presumed dead multiple times. ALso a younger snake makes an appearence in the trailers to. explain that please? I belive that both ledgendary snakes are in this game.

Biggest proof is that raven doesn't seem _that_ old aswell :P I belive there's both snakes aswell in this game.

argh, im so stupid, this guy has sussed it. *spoiler* when snake and ocelot meet in metal gear solid 1 ocelot is old but snake it fairly young yet now they seem to be the same age.....explination? In snake eater when Big boss meets Ocelot they are both about the same age (ocelot a bit younger) hence why they are similar ages in MGS4.

koj9ima can do what he likes. He bought grey fox back from the dead, he can bring big boss back from the dead. Yes maybe some of these things are explainable but there are too many of these to be a co-insidence.  

then why is liquid snake also so old?Nichol4s

The "oldman" pictured in the trailers, for the upcoming metal gear solid game for ps3 is NOT Solid snake, but none other than BIG BOSS!!!.Ricko1234

The "oldman" pictured in the trailers, for the upcoming metal gear solid game for ps3 is NOT Solid snake, but none other than BIG BOSS!!!.

www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5599940&pager.offset=6

now this isn't official obviously, but to me it's as good as fact when you put everything together.

Ricko1234