MOH Beta!!!...is not good, at all.

After seeing the E3 multiplayer trailer, I was extremely excited. I preordered it to get into the beta, and now I am extremely disappointed. Before everyone gets sensitive and starts saying "It's only a beta...FAIL!", realize that the game is only a few months away from release. I played the Bad Company 2 beta for both PS3 and 360, and though it had bugs, it was still a great game at heart. This is just avery mediocre game. All bugs and glitches aside, the choices DICE made were poor.

I cannot stress enough that gamers should be warned that this game has little to nothing in common with Bad Company 2, and is more like a poorly designed Modern Warfare 1. The guns have zero recoil, maps are small and cramped, headshots are extremely overpowered in relation to bodyshots being useless(reminds me of Metal Gear Online but worse), "fixed" weapon selection based on team is irritating, and hitmarkers are really flawed. Anything short of a headshot takes almost a full mag to kill.

I made it about 30 minutes before I went back to playing Bad Company 2 and Modern Warfare 2. And as I stated, these aren't BETA problems, the game just isn't very good. I hope the Campaign is great, because I am extremely disappointed. I will be cancelling my pre-order and waiting to see the very mediocre review scores this game will get if the multiplayer doesn't get a complete overhaul. DICE really let me down on this one. And I am really questioning those who actually like the BETA (EDIT : It's starting to get a little better as days pass, but still freezes often). I feel like they own neither BFBC2 or COD games. Or they just have blind allegiance to EA and DICE, because I went in with a very open mind, but this is just a mess (and yes, I did very well during the time I played, because I realized early on that headshots are the key to winning.It just got boring quick, so don't start the comments that I'm not very good at the game).

Just thought I would let people know that the trailer is very misleading based on this stage of the BETA. And I am focusing on design choices, not any bugs that will be fixed. My problems will most likely still be in the final version. I'm thinking this game gets a 7 tops, unless the campaign is amazing. And I'm not smiling while I say this, I'm frowning because I remember the glory days of MoH and was really looking forward to this title.

Yea i hate the freezing too when i play. Hopefully it will be fix by the 21st thats when more people will come. The freezing happens alot when i play mission. Team deathmatch just has that screen lag when you die.

strong words-- We will see upon release if what you say is indeed true.

Legitimate complaints aside from "headshots are extremely overpowered". What? Unless a bullet whizzing by them counts then I don't see your point. Both Modern Warfare 2 and Bad Company 2 both feature one headshot kills... as it should be. B:BC2 players will argue that headshots aren't 1-hit kill but they are, it just isn't instant. If you walk up to someone, pull out your handgun, and shoot them in the back of the head they will die, just a second later. Me and a friend tested this for a little while and it works at virtually every range with whatever gun. Headshot, wait a second, you get the kill and experience for it.

But yeah the rest of it seemed like actual problems that I hope are addressed.

Legitimate complaints aside from "headshots are extremely overpowered". What? Unless a bullet whizzing by them counts then I don't see your point. Both Modern Warfare 2 and Bad Company 2 both feature one headshot kills... as it should be. B:BC2 players will argue that headshots aren't 1-hit kill but they are, it just isn't instant. If you walk up to someone, pull out your handgun, and shoot them in the back of the head they will die, just a second later. Me and a friend tested this for a little while and it works at virtually every range with whatever gun. Headshot, wait a second, you get the kill and experience for it.

But yeah the rest of it seemed like actual problems that I hope are addressed.

I would also like to add, after playing it a little more, I found out (the hard way) that there is almost no radius on explosions. Grenades and grenade launchers have to be within inches (in-game relative to character size inches, not screen inches)to even get the X hit marker to appear. To get a kill, it has to be a direct hit for the most part. I can understand the choice somewhat, due to Bad Company 2 Assault Class spamming grenades for easy kills (particularly on Hardcore) but I would rather have overpowered explosives rather than nerfed explosives, much to my suprise.

I must say that the graphics are quite good though. Take into account that almost every Beta uses scaled down graphics (something to due with server testing - as it was explained to me before), and I think this will end up being a very pretty game. You dont see any jaggies like in Bad Company 2, and character movement is much more fluent and realistic than in Modern Warfare 2. The weapons are also very well detailed and rendered. It's good to see that the EOtech Holographic sight is made correctly (a 65 MOA dot with a 1 MOA dot in the center *for any gun enthusiasts*instead of MW2's much closer version). I just really wish that shooting the weapons felt better. The movement and aim is much smoother than Bad Company 2 and almost on par with Modern Warfare 2, but when you pull the trigger it feels more like your character has an Airsoft gun. There really isn't any recoil, sound seems lacking, rumble is lacking, and the reloads are about the only thing that feel realistic about the weapons' functions. BC2 had the most realistic weapons and recoil systems I have ever seen in a game. I think it oftened scared off people new to the series because of how strong recoil could be, so I can see the reason that DICE toned things down. But that leads to my overall problem with the multiplayer. It feels very dumbed down from DICE's previous efforts.

Once again, I'm just giving some constructive criticism on the game. I'm not trying to dissuade those who like the Beta and plan on buying the game, but for anyone who hasn't played it and is looking forward to preordering it for the Beta code, I would start with only putting $5 down on it, because there is a good chance that it may not be your cup of tea and will decide on a refund.

I REALLY hope DICE fixes the game, but at this point I just feel they will have to almost start from scratch for it to even come close to matching their previous success of Bad Company 2.

I didn't think anything good of this game to begin with. I actually don't even own Battlefield Bad Company 2 yet, so i'd purchase that first anyways.

Sadly dissapointing

I believe you and I haven't even tried the game. Many people will say "it is only a beta" but the beta will give you a general outlook of how the game would be. Many games that had poor betas turned out to be terrible. Games that had rather enjoyable betas turned out well.fighter91

And many games that had horrible betas turned out awesome (WoW comes to mind, awful awful beta.) And same for some great betas, games turn out mediocre. Beta's should never be an indication of the final product. Even if this is mostly a "check it out" beta, they're still tweaking the gameplay. They're recording datafrom the matches, tweaks will be made, people need to calm down.

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Legitimate complaints aside from "headshots are extremely overpowered". What? Unless a bullet whizzing by them counts then I don't see your point. Both Modern Warfare 2 and Bad Company 2 both feature one headshot kills... as it should be. B:BC2 players will argue that headshots aren't 1-hit kill but they are, it just isn't instant. If you walk up to someone, pull out your handgun, and shoot them in the back of the head they will die, just a second later. Me and a friend tested this for a little while and it works at virtually every range with whatever gun. Headshot, wait a second, you get the kill and experience for it.

But yeah the rest of it seemed like actual problems that I hope are addressed.

BigBoss96fs

Ah, gotcha. I'll chalk that up as misunderstanding on my part. So it's Halo? You waste 30 rounds into someone with an assault rifle only for them to headshot you with a sniper rifle? That doesn't belong in a modern age shooter.

According to some people I know the beta is quite fun, the only problems being the freezing and the radius of explosives are a bit too small.

this is why you don't go make bold assumptions about a game that hasn't even come out yet!

looks nice, plays horrible...

and a day or two ago you were all giddy about MOH looking better then Black ops

you simply can't judge a game buy it's trailer or what you see on E3

not finalized!

sorry if I'm trolling or lashing out, but seriously people have got to understand that

this is why you don't go make bold assumptions about a game that hasn't even come out yet!

looks nice, plays horrible...

and a day or two ago you were all giddy about MOH looking better then Black ops

you simply can't judge a game buy it's trailer or what you see on E3

not finalized!

sorry if I'm trolling or lashing out, but seriously people have got to understand that

Tsuanthony

I actually havne no real interest in MOH as it will run on EA servers, and that never goes well. Black Ops might be okay, however, I hate killstreaks. I'm leaning towards some Transformers/Uncharted 2/GoldenEye for MP until Killzone 3 comes out.

[QUOTE="Tsuanthony"]

this is why you don't go make bold assumptions about a game that hasn't even come out yet!

looks nice, plays horrible...

and a day or two ago you were all giddy about MOH looking better then Black ops

you simply can't judge a game buy it's trailer or what you see on E3

not finalized!

sorry if I'm trolling or lashing out, but seriously people have got to understand that

Khadaj32

I actually havne no real interest in MOH as it will run on EA servers, and that never goes well. Black Ops might be okay, however, I hate killstreaks. I'm leaning towards some Transformers/Uncharted 2/GoldenEye for MP until Killzone 3 comes out.

good :P well really the only shooter that should be worth picking up would be crysis 2 and kz3

and of course you know I was talking to everyone right? :P

You say not to tell you that its a beta b/c this is how its going to play. Thats not true at all. A beta fixes bugs yes but it also lets you tell them what doesnt work. Everything you mentioned can be fixed. Hitmarkers, how many bullets it takes to kill someone, grenade radius, gun selection and so on. wait till its closer to release to judge it. All that said i dont think the game is goin to be that good. It looks like cod4. It also looks souless to me. Something just seems off to me. Hope im wrong though.

Guys you have to understand that this game is different from MW2 in that it doesn't have the ridiculous amounts of killstreaks to mooch of off for kills. This is why I appreciate what this game is trying to do, instead of joining a game only for it to be frustrating and end with a nuke its allowing a fair amount of killstreaks with that aren't that overpowered. This game reminds me a bit of COD4, DICE knows what its doing. DICE is aware that it is taking elements from MW2 but not overusing them, unlike MW2 where there are AC-130's every 5 min. Whenever i play battlefield i feel like i need an experience similar to MW2 but without all the ridiculous killstreaks and insane arcade style shooting, MOH will be that experience. I hate to say it, but this is just a beta so far...gulyan23

I like the MOH series. I've got nearly all of them spanning back to PS1. They were never really on par with the more realistic shooters, especially nowadays with COD owning that market. I'm still eager to see the latest MOH regardless of some petty beta multiplayer. Not a fan of multiplayers, anyway.meteo_ryte

Did you just call COD realistic? :lol:

Beta's aren't for entertainment, they're to fix and adress these problems.

It's just a Beta, man. Also I'm not reading that.

Legitimate complaints aside from "headshots are extremely overpowered". What? Unless a bullet whizzing by them counts then I don't see your point. Both Modern Warfare 2 and Bad Company 2 both feature one headshot kills... as it should be. B:BC2 players will argue that headshots aren't 1-hit kill but they are, it just isn't instant. If you walk up to someone, pull out your handgun, and shoot them in the back of the head they will die, just a second later. Me and a friend tested this for a little while and it works at virtually every range with whatever gun. Headshot, wait a second, you get the kill and experience for it.

But yeah the rest of it seemed like actual problems that I hope are addressed.

IndianaPwns39

I've played in a few betas and none of them were close to this buggy. It froze on me 4 times in twenty minutes (that includes the time it took to restart my ps3).

I can't find a game in play if I try to choose Mission or Team Deathmatch (w/e they're called), Only can get into a playable game if I choose 'Any'.

It's pretty laggy aswell, not as bad as BFBC2 is right now.

The game itself is just a weird crossbreed of MW2 and BFBC2, its obvious EA is trying to take away players from CoD (which I'm all for), but it just doesn't work. Really this was just a tactic of copying infinityward/treyarch, and picking up sales because it's 'Medal of Honor.'

today I went into a game, shot one person, and my ps3 froze. I'm done till I hear of a patch to fix it lol

how do you get on teh beta?

I didn't believe this thread. Didn't think it was possible given how the Battlefield games have always been rock solid. Guess Dice just didn't give a $h@$ developing a game for someone else, like it was a little meaningless side project.

After trying it out, sadly I have to agree 100% with the assessment of the OP. The multi-player is going to be so poor I think I'm going to cancel my pre-order. Bad Company 2 beta was very much indicative of the final game. Sure some bugs will be fixed and the textures were probably a little higher grade in final form, but the Port Valdez map played very much the same as in the final release, the game was largely the same. I was hoping they'd have some creative new modes for Medal of Honor. The beta is a team deathmatch on a map even smaller than most maps in Modern Warfare. Only the controls are more sluggish than in BFBC2, more like the original Bad Company. Combined with the news there are "killstreaks" like in MW and this ends up looking like a sad imitation with more glitches and bugs than should make it through to beta code.

[QUOTE="Tsuanthony"]

this is why you don't go make bold assumptions about a game that hasn't even come out yet!

looks nice, plays horrible...

and a day or two ago you were all giddy about MOH looking better then Black ops

you simply can't judge a game buy it's trailer or what you see on E3

not finalized!

sorry if I'm trolling or lashing out, but seriously people have got to understand that

Khadaj32

I actually havne no real interest in MOH as it will run on EA servers, and that never goes well. Black Ops might be okay, however, I hate killstreaks. I'm leaning towards some Transformers/Uncharted 2/GoldenEye for MP until Killzone 3 comes out.

You say not to tell you that its a beta b/c this is how its going to play. Thats not true at all. A beta fixes bugs yes but it also lets you tell them what doesnt work. Everything you mentioned can be fixed. Hitmarkers, how many bullets it takes to kill someone, grenade radius, gun selection and so on. wait till its closer to release to judge it. All that said i dont think the game is goin to be that good. It looks like cod4. It also looks souless to me. Something just seems off to me. Hope im wrong though.

mackey25

I love the game. Oh and a tip, when you get put on the insurgents quit out. They are the main reason my game freezes. I find it extremely fun. It also barely takes me any bullets to kill anyone. Headshots should always take 1 shot. I drop people like it's nothing in the beta. I think the beta is fine. The only time I have problems is when it freezes. If I aim on someone, they are dead.

I believe you and I haven't even tried the game. Many people will say "it is only a beta" but the beta will give you a general outlook of how the game would be. Many games that had poor betas turned out to be terrible. Games that had rather enjoyable betas turned out well.fighter91

yeah like MAG and SC2...

[QUOTE="BigBoss96fs"][QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

Legitimate complaints aside from "headshots are extremely overpowered". What? Unless a bullet whizzing by them counts then I don't see your point. Both Modern Warfare 2 and Bad Company 2 both feature one headshot kills... as it should be. B:BC2 players will argue that headshots aren't 1-hit kill but they are, it just isn't instant. If you walk up to someone, pull out your handgun, and shoot them in the back of the head they will die, just a second later. Me and a friend tested this for a little while and it works at virtually every range with whatever gun. Headshot, wait a second, you get the kill and experience for it.

But yeah the rest of it seemed like actual problems that I hope are addressed.

IndianaPwns39

Ah, gotcha. I'll chalk that up as misunderstanding on my part. So it's Halo? You waste 30 rounds into someone with an assault rifle only for them to headshot you with a sniper rifle? That doesn't belong in a modern age shooter.

No, it only takes about 4 shots to the body to kill someone. I got the beta on PC, and with the increased accuracy, I can kill 3 people with 1 clip usually. Although sometimes, it seems like they take more, it's just bullets not registering or missing. It seems to be a hit and miss. Sometimes guys will take a lot of shots, but most of the time it's only 2 or 3.

He is right though, this game is no where near as good as Bad Company 2.

This is what I think of the game.

ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE JUST LIKE BFBC2. Honestly, If I see people compare it over and over I am going to puke. Yes, the mp is made by DICE and sure it bares resembleance to BC but its not suppose to be an exact copy and I never expected it to be. I love it because it is fast, fun and feels like a hybrid between MW and BC. I think thats a good thing. This game has much easier aiming than most and the weapon balance seems better than most games. I prefer the snipers in this game cause they don't float all over the place you are trying to shoot from a boat on water. It has graphics similar to BC but it has cleaner textures I believe and I am digging the whole Marines vs Taliban ordeal. Gives a sense of realism that other games neglect by adding fake militias to fight.

My only gripe so far with the beta has been the constant freezing, which is far worse than any minor gameplay bugs. Its happened so often to me that I dread rebooting my PS3 to play this. How can they release the beta knowing about this MAJOR problem. I am sure it will be fixed before launch but I hope they fix it by the end of the week or my playtime with this beta will be short.

If you don't like MOH..cool. Stop playing it and go back to BFBC2 or MW2 or whatever it is that floats your boat. The rest of us will be quite happy to be fraggin each other for another few weeks on MOH.

ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE JUST LIKE BFBC2. Honestly, If I see people compare it over and over I am going to puke. Yes, the mp is made by DICE and sure it bares resembleance to BC but its not suppose to be an exact copy and I never expected it to be. I love it because it is fast, fun and feels like a hybrid between MW and BC. I think thats a good thing. This game has much easier aiming than most and the weapon balance seems better than most games. I prefer the snipers in this game cause they don't float all over the place you are trying to shoot from a boat on water. It has graphics similar to BC but it has cleaner textures I believe and I am digging the whole Marines vs Taliban ordeal. Gives a sense of realism that other games neglect by adding fake militias to fight.

My only gripe so far with the beta has been the constant freezing, which is far worse than any minor gameplay bugs. Its happened so often to me that I dread rebooting my PS3 to play this. How can they release the beta knowing about this MAJOR problem. I am sure it will be fixed before launch but I hope they fix it by the end of the week or my playtime with this beta will be short.

If you don't like MOH..cool. Stop playing it and go back to BFBC2 or MW2 or whatever it is that floats your boat. The rest of us will be quite happy to be fraggin each other for another few weeks on MOH.

After seeing the E3 multiplayer trailer, I was extremely excited. I preordered it to get into the beta, and now I am extremely disappointed. Before everyone gets sensitive and starts saying "It's only a beta...FAIL!", realize that the game is only a few months away from release. I played the Bad Company 2 beta for both PS3 and 360, and though it had bugs, it was still a great game at heart. This is just a bad game. All bugs and glitches aside, the choices DICE made were poor. I cannot stress enough thatgamers should be warned that this game has little to nothing in common with Bad Company 2, and is more like a poorly designed Modern Warfare 1. The guns have zero recoil, maps are small and cramped, headshots are extremely overpowered (reminds me of Metal Gear Online but worse), "fixed" weapon selection based on team is irritating, and hitmarkers are really flawed. Anything short of a headshot takes almost a full mag to kill. I made it about 30 minutes before I went back to playing Bad Company 2 and Modern Warfare 2. And as I stated, these aren't BETA problems, the game just isn't very good. I hope the Campaign is great, because I am extremely disappointed. I will be cancelling my pre-order and waiting to see the very mediocre review scores this game will get if the multiplayer doesn't get a complete overhaul. DICE really let me down on this one. And I am really questioning those actually like the BETA. I feellike they own neither BFBC2 orCOD games. Or they just have blind allegiance to EA and DICE, because I went in with a very open mind, but thisis just a mess (and yes, I did very well during the time I played, because I realized early on that headshots are the key to winning. It just got boring quick, so don't start the comments that I'm not very good at the game). Just thought I would let people know that the trailer is very misleading based on this stage of the BETA. And I am focusing on design choices, not any bugs that will be fixed. My problems will most likely still be in the final version. I'm thinking this game gets a 7 tops, unless the campaign is amazing.

BigBoss96fs

I was hoping at the EA conference that they would show Timesplitters 4, but I was disappointed that they showed MOH instead since I never played that series.

After seeing the E3 multiplayer trailer, I was extremely excited. I preordered it to get into the beta, and now I am extremely disappointed. Before everyone gets sensitive and starts saying "It's only a beta...FAIL!", realize that the game is only a few months away from release. I played the Bad Company 2 beta for both PS3 and 360, and though it had bugs, it was still a great game at heart. This is just a bad game. All bugs and glitches aside, the choices DICE made were poor. I cannot stress enough thatgamers should be warned that this game has little to nothing in common with Bad Company 2, and is more like a poorly designed Modern Warfare 1. The guns have zero recoil, maps are small and cramped, headshots are extremely overpowered (reminds me of Metal Gear Online but worse), "fixed" weapon selection based on team is irritating, and hitmarkers are really flawed. Anything short of a headshot takes almost a full mag to kill. I made it about 30 minutes before I went back to playing Bad Company 2 and Modern Warfare 2. And as I stated, these aren't BETA problems, the game just isn't very good. I hope the Campaign is great, because I am extremely disappointed. I will be cancelling my pre-order and waiting to see the very mediocre review scores this game will get if the multiplayer doesn't get a complete overhaul. DICE really let me down on this one. And I am really questioning those actually like the BETA. I feellike they own neither BFBC2 orCOD games. Or they just have blind allegiance to EA and DICE, because I went in with a very open mind, but thisis just a mess (and yes, I did very well during the time I played, because I realized early on that headshots are the key to winning. It just got boring quick, so don't start the comments that I'm not very good at the game). Just thought I would let people know that the trailer is very misleading based on this stage of the BETA. And I am focusing on design choices, not any bugs that will be fixed. My problems will most likely still be in the final version. I'm thinking this game gets a 7 tops, unless the campaign is amazing.

i have had no problems killing people so far. i have much more problems killing people in bc2 than i do in this game. also, calling headshots overpowered is kinda a dumb argument since they're supposed to be one shot kills. the biggest problem i have right now is the explosive damage, or lack there of, but i'm sure they can adjust those thingsAJC3317