OH MY GOD!!! Look at these LAIR pics

this looks great

[QUOTE="VonGak"]In case you didn't notice, Ted corrected the statement in his blog at IGN. And yes, using PCM is utterly stupid in PS3 games, I'm glad that you aren't a developer.gizmo_logix

if ps3 uses large textures then compression cannot be done since the bandwidth would have to be astronomical despite ps3 having 47.8 g/s (total system bandwidth).

[QUOTE="gizmo_logix"][QUOTE="VonGak"] Well, I was refering to both games and movies. But just in case you missed it. Resistance: Gaming in 7.1 PCM Uncompressed Impressions! waste with no gain in quality = not!VonGak

VON GAK u are talking about sound files........we are are talking about textures.

do u even understand what you are saying.

those textures cannot be compressed under the present state of the ps3 /or any consumer hardware.

It would take years to load if those tex are compressed

Some of the most beautiful graphics I have EVER seen....bar none. The most realistic looking water EVER. Those pics absolutely make Gears of War look like Donkey Kong. I have been saying that this is the main game that is behind my eventual PS3 purchase, and screens like that only set that decision in stone harder than excalibur.

Jesus, how could anyone not be amped to play a game that looks like that? Whether you like the fire breathing dragon, valiant knights, castles and epic battles plot or not....how could you not want to play such a breathtaking looking game? Hell, I think it will be fun to just fly around on your dragon and enjoy the unbelievably beautiful scenery. As for myself though, and graphics aside....this game is just right up my alley regardless.

A definate MUST OWN that will proudly be in my game library.

ironcreed

I hear ya, I just hope it isnt as linear as Drakenguard and offers freeroam

these pics are just one reason of why most are saying the developers are saying the ps3 has more power

Sweet merciful mother of all sardines.....I mean mother of mercy......those screens are......they're..............:cry:LiquidMetal14

[QUOTE="rhys1elliott"]

can't you people realize that screenshots are often misleading. Some of the Gears screenshots looked as good and even better than that, but the game wasn't that good. The whole game wo'nt look like that. They gave out those shots for a reason. It doesn't look better than gears, look at the water on canals, wait you don't know about canals coz ur ps3 fanboys.

I own and love all three consoles btw, so no calling me a fanboy

G-Legend

Not true, if you go look at the pics of GeOW on gamespot, they look pretty pixolated and not that good, but we know the final product looked good. So can some1 say pwned?

No I can't say ''pwned'', I'm not a geek so I just say beaten.

hope theres some kind of story
blazinpuertoroc

[QUOTE="VonGak"] Here http://blogs.ign.com/Ted-Insomniac/2006/09/07/30283/, I'd like to find the exct quote but it's 2:27am here. BTW, I believe you are mixing up the PCM output with the data stored on the Blu-Ray. The sound is compressed on the Blu-ray about 10:1 or 20:1 (all depending on how much it can be compressed without losing quality) so more data can be transfered from the 2x/9MBps drive to the RAM and there by minimize loading times. Also in the RAM the data is compressed to save space. But then when the CELL takes the compressed sound files (games unlike movies got tons of small mono files with the sound from a gun fire, a foot stump and so on) and merges them together according to the action it decompresses them on the fly and generates PCM surround sound (CELL decompresses faster than it actually reads data, why it can decompress 12 HD videos at once). Stored compressed But uncompressed output.gizmo_logix

Contrary to popular belief I do actually have a life away from the computer and I did tell you that I was on my way to bed, Mr "Constantly Edit His Posts". :P

"And this has to do with " Google Resistance ATRAC3 AC3" in what way?" In case you didn't know ATRAC and AC are compression methods and in the Q/A you linked to they made it pretty clear that each sound file is compressed with the codec which makes it take up the least space without losing quality.

A sound is stored once and only once on the disc(unless it's copied over the disc to decrease loading times), there's not different copies of the sound bits compressed with different codecs.

Just ask your self, what the heck would be the gain from having the sound stored as ATRAC and AC if it's already stored as PCM on the Blu-Ray? I would make absolutely no sense when things like bandwidth, RAM usage and so on already have been balanced for the much bigger PCM files (and the ATRAC files would still have to be decompressed as there's no ATRAC output).

When you have Dolby Pro Logic II it doesn't mean that the files are compressed with this, it's not like Resistance got ATRAC3 or AC3 output is it well?
It's the sound engine which generates the different sound outputs and it uses the exact same sound files no matter if it outputs mono, stereo, Dolby Pro Logic II, DTS 5.1, PCM 7.1... The PCM 7.1 you hear is from decompressed sound files encoded with ATRAC3 and AC3.
Pure logic.

The reason PS3 games take up more space is because of the sound being compressed at higher bit rates than would have been possible if the games were on DVDs (where the sound files are compressed at so low bit rates that they lose quality) and not because the sound is stored as PCM which it isn't.

Another thing you should ask you self is what got the best sound quality, a 10MB Wave or a 10MB MP3 file? What the PS3's achilles heel is bandwidth and memory (as in RAm and registers, not disc space) but though compression the PS3's processing power can compensate for this.

It's people like you who make PS3 look bad because of uninformed claims like PS3 games only being on Blu-Ray due to uncompressed data.

I just really hope the animation on the ground troops will be better. And I don't want the enviroments to be repetitive.

I also think different camera angles would be awesome. Examples: throught the eyes of the dragon/rider, over the dragons/riders shoulders, close behind the rider.

I just really hope the animation on the ground troops will be better. And I don't want the enviroments to be repetitive.

I also think different camera angles would be awesome. Examples: throught the eyes of the dragon/rider, over the dragons/riders shoulders, close behind the rider.

Bunnyslippers

yea, look at gears... and laugh at the 360.  the ps3 has WAY better graphicsstarwarsfanboy

[QUOTE="starwarsfanboy"]yea, look at gears... and laugh at the 360. the ps3 has WAY better graphicsdanneswegman

[QUOTE="G-Legend"][QUOTE="rhys1elliott"]

can't you people realize that screenshots are often misleading. Some of the Gears screenshots looked as good and even better than that, but the game wasn't that good. The whole game wo'nt look like that. They gave out those shots for a reason. It doesn't look better than gears, look at the water on canals, wait you don't know about canals coz ur ps3 fanboys.

I own and love all three consoles btw, so no calling me a fanboy

rhys1elliott

Not true, if you go look at the pics of GeOW on gamespot, they look pretty pixolated and not that good, but we know the final product looked good. So can some1 say pwned?

No I can't say ''pwned'', I'm not a geek so I just say beaten.

LMAO :lol:

[QUOTE="gizmo_logix"][QUOTE="VonGak"] Here http://blogs.ign.com/Ted-Insomniac/2006/09/07/30283/, I'd like to find the exct quote but it's 2:27am here. BTW, I believe you are mixing up the PCM output with the data stored on the Blu-Ray. The sound is compressed on the Blu-ray about 10:1 or 20:1 (all depending on how much it can be compressed without losing quality) so more data can be transfered from the 2x/9MBps drive to the RAM and there by minimize loading times. Also in the RAM the data is compressed to save space. But then when the CELL takes the compressed sound files (games unlike movies got tons of small mono files with the sound from a gun fire, a foot stump and so on) and merges them together according to the action it decompresses them on the fly and generates PCM surround sound (CELL decompresses faster than it actually reads data, why it can decompress 12 HD videos at once). Stored compressed But uncompressed output.VonGak

Contrary to popular belief I do actually have a life away from the computer and I did tell you that I was on my way to bed, Mr "Constantly Edit His Posts". :P

"And this has to do with " Google Resistance ATRAC3 AC3" in what way?" In case you didn't know ATRAC and AC are compression methods and in the Q/A you linked to they made it pretty clear that each sound file is compressed with the codec which makes it take up the least space without losing quality.

A sound is stored once and only once on the disc(unless it's copied over the disc to decrease loading times), there's not different copies of the sound bits compressed with different codecs.

Just ask your self, what the heck would be the gain from having the sound stored as ATRAC and AC if it's already stored as PCM on the Blu-Ray? I would make absolutely no sense when things like bandwidth, RAM usage and so on already have been balanced for the much bigger PCM files (and the ATRAC files would still have to be decompressed as there's no ATRAC output).

When you have Dolby Pro Logic II it doesn't mean that the files are compressed with this, it's not like Resistance got ATRAC3 or AC3 output is it well?
It's the sound engine which generates the different sound outputs and it uses the exact same sound files no matter if it outputs mono, stereo, Dolby Pro Logic II, DTS 5.1, PCM 7.1... The PCM 7.1 you hear is from decompressed sound files encoded with ATRAC3 and AC3.
Pure logic.

The reason PS3 games take up more space is because of the sound being compressed at higher bit rates than would have been possible if the games were on DVDs (where the sound files are compressed at so low bit rates that they lose quality) and not because the sound is stored as PCM which it isn't.

Another thing you should ask you self is what got the best sound quality, a 10MB Wave or a 10MB MP3 file? What the PS3's achilles heel is bandwidth and memory (as in RAm and registers, not disc space) but though compression the PS3's processing power can compensate for this.

It's people like you who make PS3 look bad because of uninformed claims like PS3 games only being on Blu-Ray due to uncompressed data.

The sound in Resistance is compressed with AC3 and ATRAC. The architecture of PS3 doesn't allow for uncompressed data unless you want to bog it down.VonGak

yea, look at gears... and laugh at the 360. the ps3 has WAY better graphicsstarwarsfanboy

[QUOTE="LiquidMetal14"]Sweet merciful mother of all sardines.....I mean mother of mercy......those screens are......they're..............:cry:Uzburacuz9

www.bisonium.com are homos...michael098

Gears looks a lot better than this.  This looks like crap, KIDDING. :shock: Although Gears does look good ;)

[QUOTE="starwarsfanboy"]yea, look at gears... and laugh at the 360. the ps3 has WAY better graphicsmichael098

[QUOTE="michael098"]www.bisonium.com are homos...Jamh83

[QUOTE="michael098"][QUOTE="starwarsfanboy"]yea, look at gears... and laugh at the 360. the ps3 has WAY better graphicsSquall_Griver

even so, it still looks just as good as the new screens.michael098

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"][QUOTE="michael098"][QUOTE="starwarsfanboy"]yea, look at gears... and laugh at the 360. the ps3 has WAY better graphicsmichael098

[QUOTE="michael098"][QUOTE="Squall_Griver"][QUOTE="michael098"][QUOTE="starwarsfanboy"]yea, look at gears... and laugh at the 360. the ps3 has WAY better graphicsSquall_Griver

Lair will definitely be awesome if they can fix the framerate problem I was hearing about a couple months ago. I hope the gameplay lives up to the graphic level.

Whether or not it has been posted, I have to ask... Are those real-time? In-game? They're breathtaking.Redfingers

man i came here to see some sweet screens only to find people complaining about Gears of War.