Pachter says PS3 is behind GTA IV delay

"We think it is likely that the Rockstar team had difficulty in building an exceptionally complicated game for the PS3, and failed to recognise how far away from completion the game truly was until recently. We think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favour competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version, and believe that any delay of the PS3 version necessitated a delay of the Xbox 360 version."Michael Pachter

Thoughts? I think this is complete rubbish.

Source: GamesIndustry

[quote="Michael Pachter"]"We think it is likely that the Rockstar team had difficulty in building an exceptionally complicated game for the PS3, and failed to recognise how far away from completion the game truly was until recently. We think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favour competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version, and believe that any delay of the PS3 version necessitated a delay of the Xbox 360 version."AuthenticM

Thoughts? I think this is complete rubbish.

Source: GamesIndustry

http://www.ukrebellion.com/linufinu

Indeed. Rockstar has already said (I think) that the primary platform for GTAIV was the PS3. It's safe to say they started development on it before the other team did on the 360. That said, it's hard to imagine the PS3 is causing the problems.

If they are having trouble with the PS3 version, then why would they make a new exclusive game for the PS3?walton13

Exactly! If the PS3 warrants half year delays, then I'm sure they would take notice and back-off from the idea of announcing exclusives for that system.

[QUOTE="AuthenticM"]

[quote="Michael Pachter"]"We think it is likely that the Rockstar team had difficulty in building an exceptionally complicated game for the PS3, and failed to recognise how far away from completion the game truly was until recently. We think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favour competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version, and believe that any delay of the PS3 version necessitated a delay of the Xbox 360 version."linufinu

Thoughts? I think this is complete rubbish.

Source: GamesIndustry

Michael Pachter > fanboy blog.

the 360 is the only version they consistently show. why show the version that is bugged?

[QUOTE="AuthenticM"]

[quote="Michael Pachter"]"We think it is likely that the Rockstar team had difficulty in building an exceptionally complicated game for the PS3, and failed to recognise how far away from completion the game truly was until recently. We think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favour competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version, and believe that any delay of the PS3 version necessitated a delay of the Xbox 360 version."linufinu

Thoughts? I think this is complete rubbish.

Source: GamesIndustry

this guy is right the PS3 was the lead platform what they started on all along and now theyre having trouble with the 360 version and since MS paid huge money to get it on the same day as the PS3 they're forcing Rockstar to delay the PS3 version even though it will be ready in time. Iam guessing the problem is coding everythingto fit on a a DVD9 disc or switching over to the 360 hardware but its not like Rockstar hasnt worked on the 360 before, but they havent worked on a game of this size and complexity on the 360 before!

[QUOTE="walton13"]If they are having trouble with the PS3 version, then why would they make a new exclusive game for the PS3?ISA_Scum

Exactly! If the PS3 warrants half year delays, then I'm sure they would take notice and back-off from the idea of announcing exclusives for that system.

even if they now know the PS3 is hard to work on they cant back out of their contract with Sony to make their next new ip exclusive for the PS3, that why both GTA versions are cancelled because whoever is holding back who wont let the other release the game before their version is.

I think Sony made a huge mistake by putting a GeForce 7800 graphics card in the PS3. Even with the Cell processor, I don't see how PS3 graphics will be able to pass XBox 360 graphics. Sony should have waited and put the 768MB GeForce 8800 GTX Ultra card in the PS3. THEN, the PS3 would definitely be the king of graphics. I enjoy my PS3 more than my 360, I just wish they had put a much better graphics card in it. I also think that a better card would have swayed more developers towards the PS3.

Nowadays, I never know which version of a game to get. Most games are made on the 360 and ported to the PS3, which makes the PS3 versions crap. I guess from now on I'll just have to wait and read the reviews for cross platform games to see which is the better version.

With all this back and forth has anyone really set back and given this thing some careful thought. Here is something for everyone to think about.

The known fact that the DVD just doesn't have near the storage space of the Blu-Ray even with all the compression software that could be used for the data. I can see why the game got delayed knowing this and knowing how M$ has worked problems like this in the past I can see them spending huge amounts of money to block anything that will be better than what they have to offer.

I think Sony made a huge mistake by putting a GeForce 7800 graphics card in the PS3. Even with the Cell processor, I don't see how PS3 graphics will be able to pass XBox 360 graphics. Sony should have waited and put the 768MB GeForce 8800 GTX Ultra card in the PS3. THEN, the PS3 would definitely be the king of graphics. I enjoy my PS3 more than my 360, I just wish they had put a much better graphics card in it. I also think that a better card would have swayed more developers towards the PS3.

Nowadays, I never know which version of a game to get. Most games are made on the 360 and ported to the PS3, which makes the PS3 versions crap. I guess from now on I'll just have to wait and read the reviews for cross platform games to see which is the better version.

DSPX

umm no offense but the specs for the ps3's video card was never really made public.. also i heard that rockstar was having problems with the x360 due to the non-inclusion of a hard drive in the system itself..

and for the most part the ports have been bad due to developers not utilizing the ps3's potential.. ie ninja gaiden, resistance,

rainbow six, and games in development are looking good so it isn't the ps3's capability in question it is the developers..

[QUOTE="DSPX"]

I think Sony made a huge mistake by putting a GeForce 7800 graphics card in the PS3. Even with the Cell processor, I don't see how PS3 graphics will be able to pass XBox 360 graphics. Sony should have waited and put the 768MB GeForce 8800 GTX Ultra card in the PS3. THEN, the PS3 would definitely be the king of graphics. I enjoy my PS3 more than my 360, I just wish they had put a much better graphics card in it. I also think that a better card would have swayed more developers towards the PS3.

Nowadays, I never know which version of a game to get. Most games are made on the 360 and ported to the PS3, which makes the PS3 versions crap. I guess from now on I'll just have to wait and read the reviews for cross platform games to see which is the better version.

chrisf96

umm no offense but the specs for the ps3's video card was never really made public.. also i heard that rockstar was having problems with the x360 due to the non-inclusion of a hard drive in the system itself..

and for the most part the ports have been bad due to developers not utilizing the ps3's potential.. ie ninja gaiden, resistance,rainbow six, and games in development are looking good so it isn't the ps3's capability in question it is the developers..

Ummm. Last I heard they were having trouble with the 360 version.Vyse_Legends

Who cares what the reason behind the delay. The game isn't coming out this year for any system and thats pretty much that. Also, I thought Rockstar was having issues with space on the dvd rather then the blue-ray disk. Anyway you cut it I am glad they are going to bring it out on both systems at the same time.

Gamers Game.....Fanboys Pick Sides.....

lets point fingers at each other.attorihanzo

deal!

I think Sony made a huge mistake by putting a GeForce 7800 graphics card in the PS3. Even with the Cell processor, I don't see how PS3 graphics will be able to pass XBox 360 graphics. Sony should have waited and put the 768MB GeForce 8800 GTX Ultra card in the PS3. THEN, the PS3 would definitely be the king of graphics. I enjoy my PS3 more than my 360, I just wish they had put a much better graphics card in it. I also think that a better card would have swayed more developers towards the PS3.

Nowadays, I never know which version of a game to get. Most games are made on the 360 and ported to the PS3, which makes the PS3 versions crap. I guess from now on I'll just have to wait and read the reviews for cross platform games to see which is the better version.

DSPX

Wtf are you talking about,

I agree its sony's fault xbox 360 was the only version they shown and never the ps3.

the ps3 version is 2 weeks behind,

the footage wev'e seen of the game sofar has been on 360, we have NOT seen ps3 footage of this game at all

the game is 360 lead dev

Pachter is a business analyst and knows little to nothing about how the world of gaming actually works. He tosses out quotes like this in the hopes to gain attention to himself. He is worthless.Velric

Well put. Pachter talks about industry and money, his words are supposed to be for investors, not gamers. Unfortunately investors will listen to him and get a scewed version of the industry.

the ps3 version is 2 weeks behind,

the footage wev'e seen of the game sofar has been on 360, we have NOT seen ps3 footage of this game at all

the game is 360 lead dev

davez82

Prove it! just cause the 360 version has been seen doesn't mean that it's the lead platform. Why would they begin development for the ps3 as the lead dev and then switch half way through.

And I'd like the link for the "two weeks behind" quote as well.

[QUOTE="davez82"]

the ps3 version is 2 weeks behind,

the footage wev'e seen of the game sofar has been on 360, we have NOT seen ps3 footage of this game at all

the game is 360 lead dev

Insane00

Prove it! just cause the 360 version has been seen doesn't mean that it's the lead platform. Why would they begin development for the ps3 as the lead dev and then switch half way through.

And I'd like the link for the "two weeks behind" quote as well.

If ps3 was the lead platform rockstar would have shown footage of gta4 on ps3. But they always show it on xbox 360 and never on ps3 meaning ps3 is lagging in development.

[QUOTE="Insane00"][QUOTE="davez82"]

the ps3 version is 2 weeks behind,

the footage wev'e seen of the game sofar has been on 360, we have NOT seen ps3 footage of this game at all

the game is 360 lead dev

Jhung207

Prove it! just cause the 360 version has been seen doesn't mean that it's the lead platform. Why would they begin development for the ps3 as the lead dev and then switch half way through.

And I'd like the link for the "two weeks behind" quote as well.

If ps3 was the lead platform rockstar would have shown footage of gta4 on ps3. But they always show it on xbox 360 and never on ps3 meaning ps3 is lagging in development.

or thats its easyer and faster to make previews on the 360? then putting alot more time into making a preview on the ps3 and make it look better

That's not proof, that's an arguement. In other words it is conjecture. In fact, from what I have heard there really isn't a lead platform, but they are trying to develope for each system to the fullest extent.

Basically, I'm not saying your wrong, but I ain't saying your right eaither.

[QUOTE="Jhung207"][QUOTE="Insane00"][QUOTE="davez82"]

the ps3 version is 2 weeks behind,

the footage wev'e seen of the game sofar has been on 360, we have NOT seen ps3 footage of this game at all

the game is 360 lead dev

Crazy87

Prove it! just cause the 360 version has been seen doesn't mean that it's the lead platform. Why would they begin development for the ps3 as the lead dev and then switch half way through.

And I'd like the link for the "two weeks behind" quote as well.

If ps3 was the lead platform rockstar would have shown footage of gta4 on ps3. But they always show it on xbox 360 and never on ps3 meaning ps3 is lagging in development.

or thats its easyer and faster to make previews on the 360? then putting alot more time into making a preview on the ps3 and make it look better

Or maybe xbox 360 is easiler to develope for and that is why they are having problems with the ps3.

The Xbox 360 may be easier to code for, but we've all seen how massive GTA4 and in depth GTA4 is supposed to be. Now think about that game on a single dual layer DVD. Is that game capable of being compressed down to 9gb with currently compression methods?

I think any speculation is unwarranted at this time, as no one knows which is true and which is false. It could easily be that the PS3 is buggy and hard to code for. It could also easily be that the DVD9 are too small to hold the entire game. You can run half a game on one disc. Who's to say they aren't doing that? Who's to say they are showing it on 360 because the PS3 is lagging?

Maybe its both.

Ummm. Last I heard they were having trouble with the 360 version.Vyse_Legends

I heard the same coming out of E3. Nevertheless, I think Rockstar is having some internal problems which is probably the biggest reason for the delay.

I think Sony made a huge mistake by putting a GeForce 7800 graphics card in the PS3. Even with the Cell processor, I don't see how PS3 graphics will be able to pass XBox 360 graphics. Sony should have waited and put the 768MB GeForce 8800 GTX Ultra card in the PS3. THEN, the PS3 would definitely be the king of graphics. I enjoy my PS3 more than my 360, I just wish they had put a much better graphics card in it. I also think that a better card would have swayed more developers towards the PS3.

Nowadays, I never know which version of a game to get. Most games are made on the 360 and ported to the PS3, which makes the PS3 versions crap. I guess from now on I'll just have to wait and read the reviews for cross platform games to see which is the better version.

DSPX

The PS3 does have a better graphics card in it. The GeForce 7800 was the top of the line when it was released.

At Take Two's conference they said there was problems or 'challenges' with both versions , dont believe this Pachter idiot

Though there is no official word, I think we can expect the difficulty of Cell has something to do with it. Also probably they want to put more people on the streets, that was a big complaint from game journalists who've seen the recent private demo in action.

[QUOTE="AuthenticM"]

[quote="Michael Pachter"]"We think it is likely that the Rockstar team had difficulty in building an exceptionally complicated game for the PS3, and failed to recognise how far away from completion the game truly was until recently. We think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favour competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version, and believe that any delay of the PS3 version necessitated a delay of the Xbox 360 version."linufinu

Thoughts? I think this is complete rubbish.

Source: GamesIndustry

Gotta spread the word.

[QUOTE="linufinu"][QUOTE="AuthenticM"]

[quote="Michael Pachter"]"We think it is likely that the Rockstar team had difficulty in building an exceptionally complicated game for the PS3, and failed to recognise how far away from completion the game truly was until recently. We think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favour competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version, and believe that any delay of the PS3 version necessitated a delay of the Xbox 360 version."c0mplex

Thoughts? I think this is complete rubbish.

Source: GamesIndustry

Michael Pachter > fanboy blog.

the 360 is the only version they consistently show. why show the version that is bugged?

Microsoft probably pays them to show the 360 version. You do know that they have a contract right. MS would not have aloud Rockstar to delay the 360 version if it was because of the PS3.

Though there is no official word, I think we can expect the difficulty of Cell has something to do with it. Also probably they want to put more people on the streets, that was a big complaint from game journalists who've seen the recent private demo in action.

k2dart2k

http://www.thegtaplace.com/

yes there is an official word Lambo2468

[QUOTE="DSPX"]

I think Sony made a huge mistake by putting a GeForce 7800 graphics card in the PS3. Even with the Cell processor, I don't see how PS3 graphics will be able to pass XBox 360 graphics. Sony should have waited and put the 768MB GeForce 8800 GTX Ultra card in the PS3. THEN, the PS3 would definitely be the king of graphics. I enjoy my PS3 more than my 360, I just wish they had put a much better graphics card in it. I also think that a better card would have swayed more developers towards the PS3.

Nowadays, I never know which version of a game to get. Most games are made on the 360 and ported to the PS3, which makes the PS3 versions crap. I guess from now on I'll just have to wait and read the reviews for cross platform games to see which is the better version.

guts32

The PS3 does have a better graphics card in it. The GeForce 7800 was the top of the line when it was released.

Umm NO the 7800 was not even close to being the top of the line card when the PS3 was released. That card is at least 3 or 4 generations old. The 360 has a modified version of the 2900 which is comparable to the 8800. Don't even try and debate which video card is better. The 360 wins that one hands down.

Just in case you need something to read

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7