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#1 kreemghandour
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Ok guys I am really wondering now on what even the standard for games are looking like, but I honestly think that MAG is the most horriable thing I have ever seen. I downloaded the trailer today which I have already seen on gamestop, but I wanted to view it in HD. Now this game is just lacking on a standard bases of gaming if this is the final product. First thing I noticed was how the bullet holes on the wall tracing didnt look. Bullet holes were just lined up one after another in the most horriable effects. This was right in the beginning of the trailer, now honestly I think they better put that game back into the oven and have that game cooked more for perfection. I mean KZ2 and Uncharted should be the standards for games, graphics are top notch and everything runs so clean. This exclusive for PS3 doesnt look good if this is already the final stages of the product. What do you guys think?

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#2 Nephilim83
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Dude, they couldn't go all out with the graphics. The fact that they have to serve this up to 256 players per battle limits them quite a bit on the size and detail of the set pieces. This game is more about gameplay than anything else.
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#3 xmitchconnorx
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The trailer didn't impress me either but it's just a trailer. I'm not going to worry until the game gets closer to release.
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#4 AlexSays
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Quick question. You ever play games before this gen?
I mean KZ2 and Uncharted should be the standards for gameskreemghandour
The very best when it comes to graphics should be the standard? It'd be nice but that's not how that works.
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#5 Nephilim83
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If they put too much detail into it it would be a total lag-fest. That would be a lot worse than a few smooth textures here and there. Personally, I think the game looks amazing considering what they're trying to pull off. Better than I expected really. Of course graphics aren't what its all about. Gameplay is a pretty important quality in.... .uh.... games. lol Seriously, though I still play my favorite PS2 games based on their amazing stories or gameplay.
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#6 kreemghandour
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Still man this game was supposed to be the make up for a wack Socom are you getting the picture. I thought Zipper would have done something better because it looks bad on the trailer. I think 256 is just to much they should have just made it 128 player or heck even 64 and just work on making it a solid game. Making it something that we can play for a long time and say heck that was a great game. It looks really bad imo from the trailer view.

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#7 Nephilim83
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I think 256 is just to much they should have just made it 128 player or heck even 64 and just work on making it a solid game. Making it something that we can play for a long time and say heck that was a great game.

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Who's to say it won't be a solid game? Nobody has played it yet. Who's to say we won't play it for ever and ever and one day say heck this game is amazing and then keep playing it until the day Zipper finally pulls the plug on the servers? What was so broken about Socom? The gameplay. That's why Zipper is focusing on the gameplay. Graphics are not what make a game fun to play. They just make it easy on the eyes. If it bothers you that the graphics are bad then don't play it, but I think its safe to say that as long as the gameplay is intuitive and fun then there'll be tons of dudes online enjoying the game without you. Just give it a chance. You may be suprised. ;)
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#8 kreemghandour
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Of course man I had a ps1, ps2 at launch and got the ps3 during the summer of its release. Dont act like KZ2 and Uncharterd were some of the sweetest games man. Because they push the system which I know 256 players is pushing the system its just in the wrong way because the graphics are horriable man. We also know that this game was supposed to be something outstanding man and this was a big project too, I blame the developers bad judgement call on them.

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#9 kreemghandour
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Wow you just asked me a whole bunch of question to all my statements. Look at it man if you were a critique you would know why it looks bad. It supposed to be a big release but your presenting garbage to the public. Games like that should just be worked on tell the have a good balance from graphics to speed and staying redundant. You cant come to me say hey Kreem would you like to buy a tomato? And the tomato lookes bruised.

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#10 AlexSays
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It supposed to be a big release but your presenting garbage to the public.kreemghandour
Garbage? Hardly. You're placing too much of an emphasis on graphics. How were you able to play any games before this gen? MAG can't run 256 players online AND look like Killzone 2, it's just unrealistic. Luckily not everyone thinks graphics = fun.
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#11 thelastguy
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The size and scope of the game is huge, how do you expect to have KZ2 level graphics?

Those games weren't open at all and very linear

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[QUOTE="kreemghandour"]It supposed to be a big release but your presenting garbage to the public.AlexSays
Garbage? Hardly. You're placing too much of an emphasis on graphics. How were you able to play any games before this gen? MAG can't run 256 players online AND look like Killzone 2, it's just unrealistic. Luckily not everyone thinks graphics = fun.

Listen to this how was I able to play games last gen. Your eyes dont deceive you........? When u played last gen you were waying they were the best graphics. Now this gen your eye loves this gens graphics. And when you do decide to play last gen dont you notice a significant change? You never ask yourself "Damn?" if not you must be a miniority that say that.

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#13 sportwarrior
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Some of the scenes do look quite bad, but I think that has more to do with the video encoding than it does the actual graphics. For the most part the trailer featured some decent graphics, and I'm sure they'll get a bit better before release. I'm not expecting anything amazing, though. At 256 players you're going to sacrifice some of the flash for all that thunder.
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#14 bussinrounds
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They are trying to recreate a real war type senario, with that many ppl on a huge map. I like when developers try new things, instead of rehash the same old crap, like cod. Of course the graphics wont be as good as games like cod or killzone. But its not ALL about the graphics man. Lets wait and see how it comes along. I'm def more intrested in this than cod mw2. Im not a big run-n-gunner.
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#15 Nephilim83
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Wow you just asked me a whole bunch of question to all my statements. Look at it man if you were a critique you would know why it looks bad. It supposed to be a big release but your presenting garbage to the public. Games like that should just be worked on tell the have a good balance from graphics to speed and staying redundant. You cant come to me say hey Kreem would you like to buy a tomato? And the tomato lookes bruised.

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Sure, because nobody wants to eat something that doesn't look good. But millions of us will play a game that looks average. I fully agree that there should always be a balance. There are lots of games that focus on one thing and not the other and we end up with a broken game and bad experience. However, Zipper set out for one thing and one thing only. They wanted 256 players on the field. To do this the graphics had to suffer. Either way they still don't look that bad. There are a great many games out this gen that look much worse. I'm sorry that its not up to your standards. Hopefully its a little more polished once we get the final product and I can get a chance to pawn you for being so difficult. Haha. j/k. Seriously, though, to each his own......
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#16 kreemghandour
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The size and scope of the game is huge, how do you expect to have KZ2 level graphics?

Those games weren't open at all and very linear

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Like I said they should have taken a better base for the amount of people man. 128 I think would be the right balance and give more to graphics I also doubt the gameplay will be there I dont feel excited for it like other titles.

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I don't care much about the graphics (which are terrible, but for a reason: they're attempting to many players), but I think every single facet of it, gameplay included, seem's half baked and generic. The games title doesn't help matters... Of course I'll have to see how it pans out after release, but I'm expecting a major dud.
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I don't care much about the graphics (which are terrible, but for a reason: they're attempting to many players), but I think every single facet of it, gameplay included, seem's half baked and generic. The games title doesn't help matters... Of course I'll have to see how it pans out after release, but I'm expecting a major dud. raven_squad
Yeah, the name is pretty bad. I really thought they should have called it Fantastic Action Game. lol ........ I want someone to see what I did there.
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[QUOTE="raven_squad"]I don't care much about the graphics (which are terrible, but for a reason: they're attempting to many players), but I think every single facet of it, gameplay included, seem's half baked and generic. The games title doesn't help matters... Of course I'll have to see how it pans out after release, but I'm expecting a major dud. Nephilim83
Yeah, the name is pretty bad. I really thought they should have called it Fantastic Action Game. lol ........ I want someone to see what I did there.

i c wat u did thar. :lol:
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#21 Nephilim83
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[QUOTE="raven_squad"]I don't care much about the graphics (which are terrible, but for a reason: they're attempting to many players), but I think every single facet of it, gameplay included, seem's half baked and generic. The games title doesn't help matters... Of course I'll have to see how it pans out after release, but I'm expecting a major dud. kreemghandour

THANK YOU

OMG, dude, you just automatically agreed with someone who has a negative perspective on the game, because you have a negative perspective on the game and have become bias based soley on graphics. YOur entire argument was the graphics. Raven_Squad is at least making a more concernable point by investing his pestimism in every aspect of the game and not just the graphics. That's crazy. Its now obvious that you were trolling the whole time.
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#23 AlexSays
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And when you do decide to play last gen dont you notice a significant change? You never ask yourself "Damn?" if not you must be a miniority that say that.kreemghandour
I still enjoy playing games from last gen. I don't play games for graphics.
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#24 Nephilim83
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[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]I don't care much about the graphics (which are terrible, but for a reason: they're attempting to many players), but I think every single facet of it, gameplay included, seem's half baked and generic. The games title doesn't help matters... Of course I'll have to see how it pans out after release, but I'm expecting a major dud. raven_squad
Yeah, the name is pretty bad. I really thought they should have called it Fantastic Action Game. lol ........ I want someone to see what I did there.

i c wat u did thar. :lol:

THANK YOU! ;)
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#25 Nephilim83
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[QUOTE="kreemghandour"]And when you do decide to play last gen dont you notice a significant change? You never ask yourself "Damn?" if not you must be a miniority that say that.AlexSays
I still enjoy playing games from last gen. I don't play games for graphics.

Me, too. I've been playing God of War all day. I just got done beating ICO for the umpteenth time and it doesn't even support progressive scan. I just play games because they're fun.
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#26 kreemghandour
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Gameplay aint enough for anything for that game because that looks soft too. Just damn shame for some graphics for a PS3 exclusive. It wont be a hot title. And yeah it has always been about graphics or you would never own a ps3 for some nice looking graphics.

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#27 kreemghandour
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[QUOTE="AlexSays"][QUOTE="kreemghandour"]And when you do decide to play last gen dont you notice a significant change? You never ask yourself "Damn?" if not you must be a miniority that say that.Nephilim83
I still enjoy playing games from last gen. I don't play games for graphics.

Me, too. I've been playing God of War all day. I just got done beating ICO for the umpteenth time and it doesn't even support progressive scan. I just play games because they're fun.

Dude if there were no graphics how would you play a game?

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#28 bussinrounds
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Whats a worse name, mag or fighting ( the movie ). Damn, i think pretty much anyone could come up with better names than those ones. lol.
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#29 Mujambo
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First of all - and this goes for all games from probably all developers - there is still lots of time till the game releases and graphics get improved later in development. Gameplay elements, art, etc. all come first then graphics get tuned. I think you should wait before making any assumptions on graphics for any game until one month before release because at that point the disc goes 'gold' and gets manufactured. And have you seen Sacred 2's graphics? Man, playing that today...it's not good either. Have you seen Godfather 2? These games are just examples of what's out there releasing today and they can't compare to Uncharted that released a while ago. MAG is not the only one out there...and Zipper has time to improve them, so let's hope they do
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#30 raven_squad
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First of all - and this goes for all games from probably all developers - there is still lots of time till the game releases and graphics get improved later in development. Gameplay elements, art, etc. all come first then graphics get tuned. I think you should wait before making any assumptions on graphics for any game until one month before release because at that point the disc goes 'gold' and gets manufactured. And have you seen Sacred 2's graphics? Man, playing that today...it's not good either. Have you seen Godfather 2? These games are just examples of what's out there releasing today and they can't compare to Uncharted that released a while ago. MAG is not the only one out there...and Zipper has time to improve them, so let's hope they doMujambo
The games graphics aren't like that for need of improvement. They're just simple because of how much will need to be rendered at once with the 256 person multi-player. Don't expect the graphics to improve. They wont.

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#31 kreemghandour
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Well cool debating about this game. Just upsets me a bit thats all damn it. But cool forum.

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[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="AlexSays"] I still enjoy playing games from last gen. I don't play games for graphics.kreemghandour

Me, too. I've been playing God of War all day. I just got done beating ICO for the umpteenth time and it doesn't even support progressive scan. I just play games because they're fun.

Dude if there were no graphics how would you play a game?

Your crossing the troll line.....
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#33 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="thelastguy"]

The size and scope of the game is huge, how do you expect to have KZ2 level graphics?

Those games weren't open at all and very linear

kreemghandour

Like I said they should have taken a better base for the amount of people man. 128 I think would be the right balance and give more to graphics I also doubt the gameplay will be there I dont feel excited for it like other titles.

I have a bad feeling about the gameplay as well

Hopefully there is a beta in the summer

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[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="AlexSays"] I still enjoy playing games from last gen. I don't play games for graphics.kreemghandour

Me, too. I've been playing God of War all day. I just got done beating ICO for the umpteenth time and it doesn't even support progressive scan. I just play games because they're fun.

Dude if there were no graphics how would you play a game?

Lol. When did I say a game didn't have graphics. I just said that the graphics aren't what's most important. Basically, I can play a game with horrible graphics as long as its fun. How do you think people get by playing the Wii, DS, PSP, or PS2? Because there are fun titles on those consoles. And I didn't buy my PS3 because of graphics. I bought my PS3 because it was bundles with MGS4 and I'm a huge fan. That game also just happens to have the greatest story and gameplay I've ever experienced in a game. The graphics were just a plus! ;)
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#35 kreemghandour
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[QUOTE="kreemghandour"]

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"] Me, too. I've been playing God of War all day. I just got done beating ICO for the umpteenth time and it doesn't even support progressive scan. I just play games because they're fun.raven_squad

Dude if there were no graphics how would you play a game?

Your crossing the troll line.....

No troll here man I got better stuff to do on my time man.

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well the way it seems ur only about graphics, i mean u say u played last gen games right? i have played some of the ebst games last gen and the gen before that with the worst graphics, but story and gameplay wat made me hooked on it and playin it. so is this gen theres alot of games that doesnt have that good of graphic(Decent or good) but not like MGS4 or killzone, or like u said uncharted, but their story, gameplay wat it matters, if the graphics means that much to u, then this game isnt for u, not even to try out.

like raven said and nephilium the graphics wont improve much from wat u see, maybe alil better than wat it is now but wont see THAT much of a difference, why? simple my friend, u take 256 ppl online, going gun blazing, grenades, explosions and all that stuff that happens in war, or in a shooter game they have to sacrifice the graphics abit! or alot! which ever, as far as i know im actually excited to see if they pull it off, and i would be more than happy to lose a lil graphic for gameplay any day of the week. but thats just me and few ppl or more agree on, except for u. from all these posters u the only one lol complaining about the graphics and not seein the good side of it. oh well ur life ur opinion, guess to each his own

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#37 AlexSays
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And yeah it has always been about graphicskreemghandour
For you maybe, not for everyone. Not all of us think graphics are the most important part of a game.
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#38 kreemghandour
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[QUOTE="kreemghandour"]

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"] Me, too. I've been playing God of War all day. I just got done beating ICO for the umpteenth time and it doesn't even support progressive scan. I just play games because they're fun.Nephilim83

Dude if there were no graphics how would you play a game?

Lol. When did I say a game didn't have graphics. I just said that the graphics aren't what's most important. Basically, I can play a game with horrible graphics as long as its fun. How do you think people get by playing the Wii, DS, PSP, or PS2? Because there are fun titles on those consoles. And I didn't buy my PS3 because of graphics. I bought my PS3 because it was bundles with MGS4 and I'm a huge fan. That game also just happens to have the greatest story and gameplay I've ever experienced in a game. The graphics were just a plus! ;)

Dude there you go mentioning other consoles. and you also threw DS and PSP in there if we were talking about portable. And ps2 had best graphics on sweet titles like Gran Turismo. Silent hill and etc. So yeah of course MGS4 had a great storyline but really man you wanted to see them graphics those were just the plus so if that screen was all black and just snake talking not having great cutscenes and effects you would have felt you gotten robbed for your money man. Story of yeah of course man no doubt. But people werent buying CODMW because oh wow the story was the main thing which it was a great story, it was about the graphics and online, because the more realer we get with graphics/gameplay attracted a set of happy buyer instead of folks who get robbed. But yeah dude good one with the WII DS PSP or ps2 man we talking about PS3 and its games.

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u know u say man alot in one sentence lol
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#40 kreemghandour
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u know u say man alot in one sentence lolJoKeR_421

Well if you would understand, we are discussing a topic here man. And if your really having problems reading it, just cope.

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#41 JoKeR_421
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[QUOTE="JoKeR_421"]u know u say man alot in one sentence lolkreemghandour

Well if you would understand, we are discussing a topic here man. And if your really having problems reading it, just cope.

i have said wat i needed, and i discussed ur topic, i just find it a alil...well cant say the word cuz ill get modded, since u get modded here for every lil thing. but yea ,u still......u know wat, read wat i wrote up there, im not going to re-post
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#42 kreemghandour
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[QUOTE="kreemghandour"]

[QUOTE="JoKeR_421"]u know u say man alot in one sentence lolJoKeR_421

Well if you would understand, we are discussing a topic here man. And if your really having problems reading it, just cope.

i have said wat i needed, and i discussed ur topic, i just find it a alil...well cant say the word cuz ill get modded, since u get modded here for every lil thing. but yea ,u still......u know wat, read wat i wrote up there, im not going to re-post

No Problem

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[QUOTE="kreemghandour"]

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="kreemghandour"]

Dude if there were no graphics how would you play a game?

Lol. When did I say a game didn't have graphics. I just said that the graphics aren't what's most important. Basically, I can play a game with horrible graphics as long as its fun. How do you think people get by playing the Wii, DS, PSP, or PS2? Because there are fun titles on those consoles. And I didn't buy my PS3 because of graphics. I bought my PS3 because it was bundles with MGS4 and I'm a huge fan. That game also just happens to have the greatest story and gameplay I've ever experienced in a game. The graphics were just a plus! ;)

Dude there you go mentioning other consoles. and you also threw DS and PSP in there if we were talking about portable. And ps2 had best graphics on sweet titles like Gran Turismo. Silent hill and etc. So yeah of course MGS4 had a great storyline but really man you wanted to see them graphics those were just the plus so if that screen was all black and just snake talking not having great cutscenes and effects you would have felt you gotten robbed for your money man. Story of yeah of course man no doubt. But people werent buying CODMW because oh wow the story was the main thing which it was a great story, it was about the graphics and online, because the more realer we get with graphics/gameplay attracted a set of happy buyer instead of folks who get robbed. But yeah dude good one with the WII DS PSP or ps2 man we talking about PS3 and its games.

Dude, what are you talking about? When does my screen go blank? Nothing we've discussed has anything to do with a blank screen. Yes the graphics in MGS4 were amazing, but I still would have loved that game if it looked like MGS3. I mention the portables because people who've seen the PS3s graphics in all their glory still enjoy fun titles on those systems. Basically meaning that for some people a lack of HD does not stop them from enjoying a game. If that were the case the portables would not exist at all. Also I highly doubt that people bought COD4 just because of great graphics. That game has awesome gameplay. I never said that story was the only reason people buy games either. Its wether or not the game is fun! Graphics have very little to do with a game being fun! Ask the people who play the portables! I agree that a realistic looking game is a lot more involving and incredible to look at, but its not absolutely necessary.
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#44 DFBTG
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If graphics were everything, I wouldn't currently be playing FF7 or Road Rash 3D for the PS1. While I do love good graphics, they're nothing without a good story or gameplay. To me, graphics are like fancy words in a book. Yeah, cool, they make the author seem smarter but if they can't string a sentence together (gameplay) or form a cohesive storyline (self-explanatory), they're a blood hack not worth paying attention to. Sorry, but I'm not one of those children that automatically think that anything shiny is good. Which is why if I actually cared for what the game was about, I might have checked it out despite its not too amazing graphics. Besides, as others have stated, they're aiming for 256 people at once. Who here wants something that looks like KZ2...but one frame a minute? Eventually technology will advance that far, but if you seriously think that it's practical (which would require it to be plausible) at the moment, then please, stay above the influence, I beg of you, it makes the lives of all involved (except maybe the dealer...) easier.
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#45 Nephilim83
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Dude, guess what..... That is MAG. :(
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#46 kreemghandour
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Dude, what are you talking about? When does my screen go blank? Nothing we've discussed has anything to do with a blank screen. Yes the graphics in MGS4 were amazing, but I still would have loved that game if it looked like MGS3. I mention the portables because people who've seen the PS3s graphics in all their glory still enjoy fun titles on those systems. Basically meaning that for some people a lack of HD does not stop them from enjoying a game. If that were the case the portables would not exist at all. Also I highly doubt that people bought COD4 just because of great graphics. That game has awesome gameplay. I never said that story was the only reason people buy games either. Its wether or not the game is fun! Graphics have very little to do with a game being fun! Ask the people who play the portables! I agree that a realistic looking game is a lot more involving and incredible to look at, but its not absolutely necessary.

Why you getting all spiritual with it? Graphics are what make games sure you can enjoy a game once you played it in all its glory and its graphics were the best in the games time. Plus all the good games have the best graphics but for this GENERATION that game is under developed graphicly and is not going to be what it was hyped up to be.

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Graphics come and go. Graphics this gen won't matter next gen. Great gameplay doesn't age nearly as fast and that's what people should focus on. It's a shame people are willing to sacrifice gameplay so they have something nice to look at.
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#48 kreemghandour
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Yeah and it is junk. If thats what they call a exclusive game for the PS3 they might as well NOT.

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#49 kreemghandour
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Graphics come and go. Graphics this gen won't matter next gen. Great gameplay doesn't age nearly as fast and that's what people should focus on. It's a shame people are willing to sacrifice gameplay so they have something nice to look at.AlexSays

Its a military game the more realer it feel the better but Graphics and the military are like hand in hand people want to feel like they are there in the firefight.

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#50 kreemghandour
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This game will be easily overlooked if this is the final stage trying to go up again CODMW2 and BFBC2 . One of them games will get my money because they look and run better.