Will I Go To Hell if I Play Persona 3?

Who cares? As long as its a good game, go for it. Hell may be better than living on earth lol

I have come to this conclusion over the years :

If God exists, he doens't give a flying crap or he doesn't exist at all.

Just play the damn game.

lol, I have, and cleared the game. (made a review too) great game. I'm possesed, oooo, I will eat your flesh! lol :P I found it on the sane side, nothing violent or creepy.potterpipi

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

americahellyeah

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

kenshinhimura16

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

You are one of my group dude. Anyone with a bit of knowledge would know that religions were used as tools of fear to control others.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"]

[QUOTE="BenderUnit22"]Ugh... Pentagrams are used in Christian religion as well, a satanic meaning is only implied if it's upside down.BenderUnit22

WRONG! Pentagrams are always demonic upside or downside. Dont even give your opinion if you dont even know what your talking about. And if any Christians use it, rest assured they are corrupt. By the way, my Christian friend, I dont play Shin Megami Tensei games at all because of the reasons you listed. But thats my personal choice. You can play it if you want and not suffer any consequences. Just be cautius.

"There are many connections between the pentagram and Christianity. Before the cross, it was a preferred emblem to adorn the jewelry and amulets of early Christians (followed by an 'x' or a phoenix). The pentagram was associated with the five wounds of Christ, and because it could be drawn in one continuous movement of the pen, the Alpha and the Omega as one."

As people stated before, if you could lay out anything in any way you want, and if you think you go to hell because of a video game, well...

Yeah really. A lot of ignorant people mistake Catholicism and Kabbalah as Christian religions when they are not. Kabbalah is a Pagan Jewish religion and is no way related to Christianity...BenderUnit22.

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

milan22

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

the Bible, just like you guys, the bible actually never said the devil or hell exists.

if you want more info i have a link to a book that clears eveerything pertaining to the existence of satan right up.

[QUOTE="milan22"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

americahellyeah

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

the Bible, just like you guys, the bible actually never said the devil or hell exists.

if you want more info i have a link to a book that clears eveerything pertaining to the existence of satan right up.

Yeah, I wonder what Bible you have been reading. Every Bible I have read mentions Hell and Satan (aka Lucifer) MANY times. And like anyone with sense is going to believe anything a self-proclaimed "genius" says today. Lol and e-book should be enough information to write anything this person says off and "ROFL".

Why is it whenever someone asks a religious question people who dont believe in it have to put in their opinion which isnt worth even two cents? No one asked you, so keep it to yourself. People like you are like a pack of pirhana's, as soon as the blood (religion) hits the water, theres a frenzy. Either answer his question, or shut up.

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

milan22

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

You are one of my group dude. Anyone with a bit of knowledge would know that religions were used as tools of fear to control others.

now why would you say that???do you have any FACTUAL information to disprove them???no??i didn't think so. it is not a FACT that god exists, neither is it fact that he doesn't . however seeing as how it looks like you're religious. is it not a bad thing to judge and/or ridicule others because of their spiritual beliefs???and even if they dont believe in god now but they live a good life why cant they go to heaven???if god is indeed as willing to forgive sin as you people preach he is. then they have nothing to worry about if they end up wrong and neither do i. good day sir

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="milan22"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

JudgementEden

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

the Bible, just like you guys, the bible actually never said the devil or hell exists.

if you want more info i have a link to a book that clears eveerything pertaining to the existence of satan right up.

Yeah, I wonder what Bible you have been reading. Every Bible I have read mentions Hell and Satan (aka Lucifer) MANY times. And like anyone with sense is going to believe anything a self-proclaimed "genius" says today. Lol and e-book should be enough information to write anything this person says off and "ROFL".

i've been reading a normal bible, you obviously have no understanding of how the bible was written, and all mentions of a "devil" have been put out of context by various religions as a tool of fear to control the masses.

just check the link i give you, and to be honest you'll be surprised, it has a full explanation of every occurance of satan in the bible and how he was created by man, and is not what you believe him to be. Link

[QUOTE="milan22"][QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

enygma500

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

You are one of my group dude. Anyone with a bit of knowledge would know that religions were used as tools of fear to control others.

now why would you say that???do you have any FACTUAL information to disprove them???no??i didn't think so. it is not a FACT that god exists, neither is it fact that he doesn't . however seeing as how it looks like you're religious. is it not a bad thing to judge and/or ridicule others because of their spiritual beliefs???and even if they dont believe in god now but they live a good life why cant they go to heaven???if god is indeed as willing to forgive sin as you people preach he is. then they have nothing to worry about if they end up wrong and neither do i. good day sir

I hate talking about things religious in nature in a gaming forum. But if you think God lets you in heaven because you didnt have enough "proof" (More like lack of faith) than thats your fault. If you believe the bible there are no second chances, to be quite honest.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="milan22"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

americahellyeah

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

the Bible, just like you guys, the bible actually never said the devil or hell exists.

if you want more info i have a link to a book that clears eveerything pertaining to the existence of satan right up.

Yeah, I wonder what Bible you have been reading. Every Bible I have read mentions Hell and Satan (aka Lucifer) MANY times. And like anyone with sense is going to believe anything a self-proclaimed "genius" says today. Lol and e-book should be enough information to write anything this person says off and "ROFL".

i've been reading a normal bible, you obviously have no understanding of how the bible was written, and all mentions of a "devil" have been put out of context by various religions as a tool of fear to control the masses.

just check the link i give you, and to be honest you'll be surprised, it has a full explanation of every occurance of satan in the bible and how he was created by man, and is not what you believe him to be. Link

Whenever someone has to try and disprove the Bible, they always use the excuse of "mistranslation". Sorry, im not buying it, and frankly im getting sick and tired of that excuse. Its getting lame. Are you going to take this mans word for it? I think I will trust in something worth trusting, and its definitely not going to be an E-Book.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="milan22"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

americahellyeah

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

the Bible, just like you guys, the bible actually never said the devil or hell exists.

if you want more info i have a link to a book that clears eveerything pertaining to the existence of satan right up.

Yeah, I wonder what Bible you have been reading. Every Bible I have read mentions Hell and Satan (aka Lucifer) MANY times. And like anyone with sense is going to believe anything a self-proclaimed "genius" says today. Lol and e-book should be enough information to write anything this person says off and "ROFL".

i've been reading a normal bible, you obviously have no understanding of how the bible was written, and all mentions of a "devil" have been put out of context by various religions as a tool of fear to control the masses.

just check the link i give you, and to be honest you'll be surprised, it has a full explanation of every occurance of satan in the bible and how he was created by man, and is not what you believe him to be. Link

I read a bit, and I can debunk most of the things (if not all) he has said so far. Very trivial things.

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="milan22"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

JudgementEden

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

the Bible, just like you guys, the bible actually never said the devil or hell exists.

if you want more info i have a link to a book that clears eveerything pertaining to the existence of satan right up.

Yeah, I wonder what Bible you have been reading. Every Bible I have read mentions Hell and Satan (aka Lucifer) MANY times. And like anyone with sense is going to believe anything a self-proclaimed "genius" says today. Lol and e-book should be enough information to write anything this person says off and "ROFL".

i've been reading a normal bible, you obviously have no understanding of how the bible was written, and all mentions of a "devil" have been put out of context by various religions as a tool of fear to control the masses.

just check the link i give you, and to be honest you'll be surprised, it has a full explanation of every occurance of satan in the bible and how he was created by man, and is not what you believe him to be. Link

Whenever someone has to try and disprove the Bible, they always use the excuse of "mistranslation". Sorry, im not buying it, and frankly im getting sick and tired of that excuse. Its getting lame. Are you going to take this mans word for it? I think I will trust in something worth trusting, and its definitely not going to be an E-Book.

i've researched it for myself as well after reading this book, and nothing in the book is incorrect by my count. at least read the free introduction. and he's not trying to disprove the bible, he's actually affirming everthing it says.

if not, then you are truly hopeless and oblivious.

I read a bit, and I can debunk most of the things (if not all) he has said so far. Very trivial things.

JudgementEden

go on....

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"]

I read a bit, and I can debunk most of the things (if not all) he has said so far. Very trivial things.

americahellyeah

go on....

Lol, im not getting into this on a forum not intended for religious discusions. If you want to know, feel free to talk with me on MSN Messenger.

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="JudgementEden"]

I read a bit, and I can debunk most of the things (if not all) he has said so far. Very trivial things.

JudgementEden

go on....

Lol, im not getting into this on a forum not intended for religious discusions. If you want to know, feel free to talk with me on MSN Messenger.

MSN messenger, never use it... if you think you can disprove the book then PM me what you think you know.

I have come to this conclusion over the years :

If God exists, he doens't give a flying crap or he doesn't exist at all.

Just play the damn game.

rogerjak

Quoted for mutha f@#k!ng truth

[QUOTE="enygma500"][QUOTE="milan22"][QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

JudgementEden

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

You are one of my group dude. Anyone with a bit of knowledge would know that religions were used as tools of fear to control others.

now why would you say that???do you have any FACTUAL information to disprove them???no??i didn't think so. it is not a FACT that god exists, neither is it fact that he doesn't . however seeing as how it looks like you're religious. is it not a bad thing to judge and/or ridicule others because of their spiritual beliefs???and even if they dont believe in god now but they live a good life why cant they go to heaven???if god is indeed as willing to forgive sin as you people preach he is. then they have nothing to worry about if they end up wrong and neither do i. good day sir

I hate talking about things religious in nature in a gaming forum. But if you think God lets you in heaven because you didnt have enough "proof" (More like lack of faith) than thats your fault. If you believe the bible there are no second chances, to be quite honest.

excuse me??? i said if god is all forgiving then it shouldn't matter either way. i choose not to believe because god has not shown me he exists. that however does not mean he's not there. and if you believe in the bible there ARE indeed second chances as long as you truly are sorry for the mistakes you've made in the past and repent for them, with the exclusion of a couple, none of which i ever intend on commiting in my lifetime. i know many many religious people who are much worse then me. and by youre words they'll get into heaven ahead of me because they believe in god. BS. you have no idea what your talking about and need to read your bible a little more closely.

i may not be religious but i know enough about it to know what im talking about.lack of proof is not the same as lack of faith, get your facts straight and maybe try comming up with your own beliefs rather then following something someone else tells you is right. also some religions will even baptize you after you die so you can make the descision after death. BTW if god exists so does the devil. the 2 go hand in hand. if im not mistaken its you religious people who said the greatest thing the devil ever accomplished was making people believe he doesn't exist. you need to get your sh## straight

It is truly absurd to say you read the Bible, and say it has nothing to say about the Devil (Satan, Lucifer) or hell...that these are just tools made by man. Guess what? The Devil's biggest weapon is convincing you and the public that he does not exist or that hell does not exist. If he can do that, then you will obviously not have much incentive to turn to God, Jesus, or the need to acknowledge Jesus' death on the cross.-ArchAngeL-777-

the devil doesn't exist thoguh, at least the bible doesn't say he does, the guy who wrote this book has been studying the subject for 17 years, and the hundreds of different versions of the bible, many of the words have been changed from the original Jewish text they were written in. the roman catholic church has encourage the concept of the devil becuase it has the power to control people. if you read the book all of this would be explained.

The devil is purhaps one of the greatest conspiracies ever concieved, and this book completely explains it, its not the first book to do so, but its the most concise and well put together to date. at least read the free intro.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="enygma500"][QUOTE="milan22"][QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

enygma500

QFT

i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

You are one of my group dude. Anyone with a bit of knowledge would know that religions were used as tools of fear to control others.

now why would you say that???do you have any FACTUAL information to disprove them???no??i didn't think so. it is not a FACT that god exists, neither is it fact that he doesn't . however seeing as how it looks like you're religious. is it not a bad thing to judge and/or ridicule others because of their spiritual beliefs???and even if they dont believe in god now but they live a good life why cant they go to heaven???if god is indeed as willing to forgive sin as you people preach he is. then they have nothing to worry about if they end up wrong and neither do i. good day sir

I hate talking about things religious in nature in a gaming forum. But if you think God lets you in heaven because you didnt have enough "proof" (More like lack of faith) than thats your fault. If you believe the bible there are no second chances, to be quite honest.

excuse me??? i said if god is all forgiving then it shouldn't matter either way. i choose not to believe because god has not shown me he exists. that however does not mean he's not there. and if you believe in the bible there ARE indeed second chances as long as you truly are sorry for the mistakes you've made in the past and repent for them, with the exclusion of a couple, none of which i ever intend on commiting in my lifetime. i know many many religious people who are much worse then me. and by youre words they'll get into heaven ahead of me because they believe in god. BS. you have no idea what your talking about and need to read your bible a little more closely.

i may not be religious but i know enough about it to know what im talking about.lack of proof is not the same as lack of faith, get your facts straight and maybe try comming up with your own beliefs rather then following something someone else tells you is right. also some religions will even baptize you after you die so you can make the descision after death. BTW if god exists so does the devil. the 2 go hand in hand. if im not mistaken its you religious people who said the greatest thing the devil ever accomplished was making people believe he doesn't exist. you need to get your sh## straight

Wow, insults galore, and I said none to you. I need to read the Bible more closely!? Please, God forgives the things you have done while in your body, quit mixing Catholicism with Christianity. You cant make your decision after death, not a chance. By the way, what I said is in no way a broad way for people to get into Heaven. Did I say you can live however you want and still get there? No. And No, I dont believe in your closing statement, I believe the devil has done worse than that. There is no lack of proof. A lack of faith is what people have if they want proof. Quit acting like you know what your talking about, you know nothing as far as I can tell.

Again, I really dont want to get into this. So I stop here.

excuse me??? i said if god is all forgiving then it shouldn't matter either way. i choose not to believe because god has not shown me he exists. that however does not mean he's not there. and if you believe in the bible there ARE indeed second chances as long as you truly are sorry for the mistakes you've made in the past and repent for them, with the exclusion of a couple, none of which i ever intend on commiting in my lifetime. i know many many religious people who are much worse then me. and by youre words they'll get into heaven ahead of me because they believe in god. BS. you have no idea what your talking about and need to read your bible a little more closely.

i may not be religious but i know enough about it to know what im talking about.lack of proof is not the same as lack of faith, get your facts straight and maybe try comming up with your own beliefs rather then following something someone else tells you is right. also some religions will even baptize you after you die so you can make the descision after death. BTW if god exists so does the devil. the 2 go hand in hand. if im not mistaken its you religious people who said the greatest thing the devil ever accomplished was making people believe he doesn't exist. you need to get your sh## straight

enygma500

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

excuse me??? i said if god is all forgiving then it shouldn't matter either way. i choose not to believe because god has not shown me he exists. that however does not mean he's not there. and if you believe in the bible there ARE indeed second chances as long as you truly are sorry for the mistakes you've made in the past and repent for them, with the exclusion of a couple, none of which i ever intend on commiting in my lifetime. i know many many religious people who are much worse then me. and by youre words they'll get into heaven ahead of me because they believe in god. BS. you have no idea what your talking about and need to read your bible a little more closely.

i may not be religious but i know enough about it to know what im talking about.lack of proof is not the same as lack of faith, get your facts straight and maybe try comming up with your own beliefs rather then following something someone else tells you is right. also some religions will even baptize you after you die so you can make the descision after death. BTW if god exists so does the devil. the 2 go hand in hand. if im not mistaken its you religious people who said the greatest thing the devil ever accomplished was making people believe he doesn't exist. you need to get your sh## straight

-ArchAngeL-777-

Just to clarify, when I said no second chances I meant after death. You get many chances while your living.

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]It is truly absurd to say you read the Bible, and say it has nothing to say about the Devil (Satan, Lucifer) or hell...that these are just tools made by man. Guess what? The Devil's biggest weapon is convincing you and the public that he does not exist or that hell does not exist. If he can do that, then you will obviously not have much incentive to turn to God, Jesus, or the need to acknowledge Jesus' death on the cross.americahellyeah

the devil doesn't exist thoguh, at least the bible doesn't say he does, the guy who wrote this book has been studying the subject for 17 years, and the hundreds of different versions of the bible, many of the words have been changed from the original Jewish text they were written in. the roman catholic church has encourage the concept of the devil becuase it has the power to control people. if you read the book all of this would be explained.

The devil is purhaps one of the greatest conspiracies ever concieved, and this book completely explains it, its not the first book to do so, but its the most concise and well put together to date. at least read the free intro.

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"]

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]It is truly absurd to say you read the Bible, and say it has nothing to say about the Devil (Satan, Lucifer) or hell...that these are just tools made by man. Guess what? The Devil's biggest weapon is convincing you and the public that he does not exist or that hell does not exist. If he can do that, then you will obviously not have much incentive to turn to God, Jesus, or the need to acknowledge Jesus' death on the cross.-ArchAngeL-777-

the devil doesn't exist thoguh, at least the bible doesn't say he does, the guy who wrote this book has been studying the subject for 17 years, and the hundreds of different versions of the bible, many of the words have been changed from the original Jewish text they were written in. the roman catholic church has encourage the concept of the devil becuase it has the power to control people. if you read the book all of this would be explained.

The devil is purhaps one of the greatest conspiracies ever concieved, and this book completely explains it, its not the first book to do so, but its the most concise and well put together to date. at least read the free intro.

if you aren't willing to research it for yourself you obviously won't find out. and yes, you can believe in God and not the existence of a devil.

i'm not gonna continue beating this topic to death, if you chose to look past a concept without doing any research than thats your loss. You can't say that unless you've read the book, which i'm positive you aren't going to do. because sadly what you have been taught has clouded your mind, as it had mine for many years, luckily it cleared enough to accept this concept and study it, finding out for myself.

and the Bible has changed and evolved hundreds and thousands of times, this is common knowledge and while we still don't know the entirety of what has been changed a large portion of the original writings have surfaced throughout the years, and when you look at the differences, it really puts religion in perspective on how there can be so many variations.

[QUOTE="IllegalGamer"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

fs_metal

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Wait. What?!?!?!?

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"][QUOTE="enygma500"]

excuse me??? i said if god is all forgiving then it shouldn't matter either way. i choose not to believe because god has not shown me he exists. that however does not mean he's not there. and if you believe in the bible there ARE indeed second chances as long as you truly are sorry for the mistakes you've made in the past and repent for them, with the exclusion of a couple, none of which i ever intend on commiting in my lifetime. i know many many religious people who are much worse then me. and by youre words they'll get into heaven ahead of me because they believe in god. BS. you have no idea what your talking about and need to read your bible a little more closely.

i may not be religious but i know enough about it to know what im talking about.lack of proof is not the same as lack of faith, get your facts straight and maybe try comming up with your own beliefs rather then following something someone else tells you is right. also some religions will even baptize you after you die so you can make the descision after death. BTW if god exists so does the devil. the 2 go hand in hand. if im not mistaken its you religious people who said the greatest thing the devil ever accomplished was making people believe he doesn't exist. you need to get your sh## straight

JudgementEden

Just to clarify, when I said no second chances I meant after death. You get many chances while your living.

lol i just read that thing on Why the devil doesn't exist. seems to me he just doesn't want to believe in something so terrible. he repeatedly says that man is the evil. i thaught it was the devil who influenced the evil and it was mans choice wether or not to do it. also to judgmenteden there are in FACT religions that will baptize or seal you after death. dont try to tell me there isn't. ive done my research, also i didn't insult you once. also to archangel its hard to believe in a god with all the rape, murder, and hate crimes being commited in this world...by religious folk who go and preach jesus the next day. if you think i haven't tried then you're wrong, my gf believe and has gotten me to go to church with her. plus if there is a god then this is how god made me right? therefore if he knew i would be a non believer during life why would he punish me after death?too many loopholes among other things i think

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="IllegalGamer"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

hillelslovak

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Wait. What?!?!?!?

muder is done with intention, killing is done under nessecity(ie you'll choose you and your families lives over some burgler comming into your house threatening you)

It is truly absurd to say you read the Bible, and say it has nothing to say about the devil (satan, lucifer) or hell...that these are just tools made by man. Guess what? The devil's biggest weapon is convincing you and the public that he does not exist or that hell does not exist. If he can do that, then you will obviously not have much incentive to turn to God, Jesus, or the need to acknowledge Jesus' death on the cross. I mean if the devil doesnt exist, does that not leave a HUGE doubt as to whether God exists. You cannot believe in one's existence without a belief in the other. As for the Persona 3, there are definite things you can do to open yourself up to demonic attack...and yes, some games and movies are on the list. Does that mean you will go to hell? Does that mean you've lost your salvation? Absolutely NOT. Your salvation is in the firm belief that Christ died on the cross for your sins...that He is the Risen Lord and Saviour and acknowledging and accepting Him as such. This cannot be won or lost through actions or deeds. It is a matter of the heart. (see Romans 10 in particular verses 9-13). As for whether this Persona 3 is demonic? I dont know much about it. If your worried, ask God about it, He will answer. If it doesnt feel right, then maybe that is already telling you something. It is definitely important to watch and be aware of what you let into your life. You wont lose your salvation over it, but it can open you up to unnecessary attacks from the enemy (satan and his not-so-merry band of losers lol).-ArchAngeL-777-

Buh...so wait, we're supposed to just believe in God and Jesus because we're scared of Satan and hell? Not out of, you know, love and faith or anything like that?

I was trying to stay out of the religious debate, but I just had to comment on that because...that's ridiculous. Never before have I heard a self-proclaimed Christian actually say the only reason you have for belief is so you don't have to worry about going to hell. Usually that's just something non-Christians say to criticize the religion. Or so I thought. Apparently I was wrong. x_X

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"][QUOTE="enygma500"]

excuse me??? i said if god is all forgiving then it shouldn't matter either way. i choose not to believe because god has not shown me he exists. that however does not mean he's not there. and if you believe in the bible there ARE indeed second chances as long as you truly are sorry for the mistakes you've made in the past and repent for them, with the exclusion of a couple, none of which i ever intend on commiting in my lifetime. i know many many religious people who are much worse then me. and by youre words they'll get into heaven ahead of me because they believe in god. BS. you have no idea what your talking about and need to read your bible a little more closely.

i may not be religious but i know enough about it to know what im talking about.lack of proof is not the same as lack of faith, get your facts straight and maybe try comming up with your own beliefs rather then following something someone else tells you is right. also some religions will even baptize you after you die so you can make the descision after death. BTW if god exists so does the devil. the 2 go hand in hand. if im not mistaken its you religious people who said the greatest thing the devil ever accomplished was making people believe he doesn't exist. you need to get your sh## straight

enygma500

Just to clarify, when I said no second chances I meant after death. You get many chances while your living.

lol i just read that thing on Why the devil doesn't exist. seems to me he just doesn't want to believe in something so terrible. he repeatedly says that man is the evil. i thaught it was the devil who influenced the evil and it was mans choice wether or not to do it. also to judgmenteden there are in FACT religions that will baptize or seal you after death. dont try to tell me there isn't. ive done my research, also i didn't insult you once. also to archangel its hard to believe in a god with all the rape, murder, and hate crimes being commited in this world...by religious folk who go and preach jesus the next day. if you think i haven't tried then you're wrong, my gf believe and has gotten me to go to church with her. plus if there is a god then this is how god made me right? therefore if he knew i would be a non believer during life why would he punish me after death?too many loopholes among other things i think

I never said there wasnt other religions that can baptize or "seal" you after death. However its not biblical, and if you believe the bible it doesnt work. Its like this: You can stand on a railroad as a train approaches, close your eyes and try to make it go away. Out of sight, out of mind right? However, its still there, and its going to make you explode all over the place. My point is, you can try different things all you want, it doesnt mean they will work.

[QUOTE="rogerjak"]

I have come to this conclusion over the years :

If God exists, he doens't give a flying crap or he doesn't exist at all.

Just play the damn game.

Axeus

Quoted for mutha f@#k!ng truth

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]It is truly absurd to say you read the Bible, and say it has nothing to say about the devil (satan, lucifer) or hell...that these are just tools made by man. Guess what? The devil's biggest weapon is convincing you and the public that he does not exist or that hell does not exist. If he can do that, then you will obviously not have much incentive to turn to God, Jesus, or the need to acknowledge Jesus' death on the cross. I mean if the devil doesnt exist, does that not leave a HUGE doubt as to whether God exists. You cannot believe in one's existence without a belief in the other. As for the Persona 3, there are definite things you can do to open yourself up to demonic attack...and yes, some games and movies are on the list. Does that mean you will go to hell? Does that mean you've lost your salvation? Absolutely NOT. Your salvation is in the firm belief that Christ died on the cross for your sins...that He is the Risen Lord and Saviour and acknowledging and accepting Him as such. This cannot be won or lost through actions or deeds. It is a matter of the heart. (see Romans 10 in particular verses 9-13). As for whether this Persona 3 is demonic? I dont know much about it. If your worried, ask God about it, He will answer. If it doesnt feel right, then maybe that is already telling you something. It is definitely important to watch and be aware of what you let into your life. You wont lose your salvation over it, but it can open you up to unnecessary attacks from the enemy (satan and his not-so-merry band of losers lol).Abby88

Buh...so wait, we're supposed to just believe in God and Jesus because we're scared of Satan and hell? Not out of, you know, love and faith or anything like that?

I was trying to stay out of the religious debate, but I just had to comment on that because...that's ridiculous. Never before have I heard a self-proclaimed Christian actually say the only reason you have for belief is so you don't have to worry about going to hell. Usually that's just something non-Christians say to criticize the religion. Or so I thought. Apparently I was wrong. x_X

[QUOTE="Abby88"]

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]It is truly absurd to say you read the Bible, and say it has nothing to say about the devil (satan, lucifer) or hell...that these are just tools made by man. Guess what? The devil's biggest weapon is convincing you and the public that he does not exist or that hell does not exist. If he can do that, then you will obviously not have much incentive to turn to God, Jesus, or the need to acknowledge Jesus' death on the cross. I mean if the devil doesnt exist, does that not leave a HUGE doubt as to whether God exists. You cannot believe in one's existence without a belief in the other. As for the Persona 3, there are definite things you can do to open yourself up to demonic attack...and yes, some games and movies are on the list. Does that mean you will go to hell? Does that mean you've lost your salvation? Absolutely NOT. Your salvation is in the firm belief that Christ died on the cross for your sins...that He is the Risen Lord and Saviour and acknowledging and accepting Him as such. This cannot be won or lost through actions or deeds. It is a matter of the heart. (see Romans 10 in particular verses 9-13). As for whether this Persona 3 is demonic? I dont know much about it. If your worried, ask God about it, He will answer. If it doesnt feel right, then maybe that is already telling you something. It is definitely important to watch and be aware of what you let into your life. You wont lose your salvation over it, but it can open you up to unnecessary attacks from the enemy (satan and his not-so-merry band of losers lol).-ArchAngeL-777-

Buh...so wait, we're supposed to just believe in God and Jesus because we're scared of Satan and hell? Not out of, you know, love and faith or anything like that?

I was trying to stay out of the religious debate, but I just had to comment on that because...that's ridiculous. Never before have I heard a self-proclaimed Christian actually say the only reason you have for belief is so you don't have to worry about going to hell. Usually that's just something non-Christians say to criticize the religion. Or so I thought. Apparently I was wrong. x_X

religious people are funny

so inocent and oblivious of what's really going on in the universe...

and there's no point arguing with them... it's like telling a 4 year old that santa claus doesn't exist :D

if you aren't willing to research it for yourself you obviously won't find out. and yes, you can believe in God and not the existence of a devil.

i'm not gonna continue beating this topic to death, if you chose to look past a concept without doing any research than thats your loss. You can't say that unless you've read the book, which i'm positive you aren't going to do. because sadly what you have been taught has clouded your mind, as it had mine for many years, luckily it cleared enough to accept this concept and study it, finding out for myself.

and the Bible has changed and evolved hundreds and thousands of times, this is common knowledge and while we still don't know the entirety of what has been changed a large portion of the original writings have surfaced throughout the years, and when you look at the differences, it really puts religion in perspective on how there can be so many variations.

americahellyeah

religious people are funny

so inocent and oblivious of what's really going on in the universe...

and there's no point arguing with them... it's like telling a 4 year old that santa claus doesn't exist :D

ginraisama

[QUOTE="ginraisama"]

religious people are funny

so inocent and oblivious of what's really going on in the universe...

and there's no point arguing with them... it's like telling a 4 year old that santa claus doesn't exist :D

-ArchAngeL-777-

haha... we both know there would be no point now would it?

in the end everyone will still believe what they originally believed and nothing will come out of it.

i lol'd hard at the TC original post though... and i know there's more people like him to make me laugh all my life :P

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

jeffbase33

Lol. Look at it this way: If you go to hell for playing Persona 3, myself [along with pretty much every adult gamer] will be right along side you for playing GTA I through IV, Resident Evil, Jericho, Condemned I & II, soon-to-be-released Dead Space, etc, etc, etc. Feel better now?

What kind of christian are you? Orthodox, or just a regular guy?- I stopped following christianity (I live in Argentina where christianity is huge) when I realized that leading my life by old concepts was wrong. Yes, it has a good life manual, but Budhism and muslim also have good teachings, yet to mr Emperor (Ratzinger) they are wrong and should be eliminated. I cant follow a leader of a religion whose moto is "tolerance" being so anti-differences.

So, back to the topic, Persona 3 is not a satanist game, unless you are one of those who think that everything thats not I love jesus and sees Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings as Satans Spawn should be able to play it.

kenshinhimura16

Dude i am from Argentina too :D.

If you let a religion lead your life then its your fault. I believe in god i know what he wants from me, because i read the bible, not because some dude at a church says so.

Dejate llevar por la ensiansa de dios, no por la de los hombres.

Peace!

[QUOTE="the_crosbie"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"][QUOTE="IllegalGamer"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

MotoRacer81

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Actually Murder is the sin. It is ok to kill in self defense. Otherwise, God would have not helped the Israelites kick butt.

The israelis did actually kick butt to establish Israel. They fought the arabs in three major wars before they can safely declare Israel, so it wasn't as easy as "the UN gave it to them" plus it wasnt the UN, it was Britain.

[QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

Afro_Samurai

Lol. Look at it this way: If you go to hell for playing Persona 3, myself [along with pretty much every adult gamer] will be right along side you for playing GTA I through IV, Resident Evil, Jericho, Condemned I & II, soon-to-be-released Dead Space, etc, etc, etc. Feel better now?

Yeah like 90% of the gamers will be meeting down there if that was true lol, but seriously, as long as you stick to what you believe in, you will be fine . You won't go to Hell.