Being openly political in games is "bad for business", The Division developer says

he (or they) or the article, can just give a specific concrete in game expample of what they are talking about.

its all generalizations and abstractions which is a tell to me this is all propaganda

they need to show concrete measurable examples. in game

I will not because i am highly confident that the video will not have a single solitary example of the type I am asking for. It will be generalizations and no concrete example.

The only example I have heard heard is 'killing Nazis is a political statement' and 'having a gay character in a video game is a political statement'

well for their benifit, they better come up with better examples then that.

@blackballs: You didn't ask me that question... But no, not really. Atleast not in the sense that the op is talking about. I dont find having a female protagonist, gay or not, to be overtly political. Now how about you admit that you got overzealous in your assumptions and acted a fool.

Exactly. I'm still trying to figure out this topic. What exactly is political? Is representation of minorities political to the right hence their outrage?

Okay so what's your point then? "being openly political in games" what games are political?

that entire article I could not find an asnwer to that question let alone a specific example of what they are refering to.

pathetic, and people fall for this shit

Yes, the article is quite foolish. So he's talking about The Division and Farcry. Game's can't be too political. Exactly what makes a game political according to his view?

@blackballs: I've never engaged with you on this forum so I have no clue what you're talking about.

@blackballs: Good Lord, you haven't read the op and you've been a complete douche for our entire encounter. Read the quotes in the article, nimrod.

Why are you being such a snowflake, crybaby "Douche, fool, nimrod." You can debate me without crying a river. Again, the article says nothing. There is no proof to his claim that politics is bad for business.

We've engaged in the political forum, bro.

the OP is very long and yet does not contain a single example of what he is refering to.

we are asking for an IN GAME example of something that is 'being poltical'

if not I will have to go with the ONLY two examples I have heard which are

1. Killing Nazis is being political

and

2. Having gay characters in your video game is being political.

@blackballs: I'm a snowflake? Lol, maybe you dont remeber getting triggered throughout this entire post. This also isnt a debate. Its impossible to debate a narrow minded person like yourself who can't even read a short article.

@tryit: Talk to me when you're actually educated on the games you're trying to reference.

I am trying to get educated of course

request for an example is critical to understanding, others apparent inability to provide an example however speaks volumes

its very telling if a person makes a claim and yet can not produce a single example of the exact claim they are making

so I have to go with the only two examples I am aware of which are

1. Killing Nazis is being political

and

2. Having gay characters in your video game is being political.

Exactly. He's trying to seem all intelligent and educated, but we're still sitting here waiting to be shown some examples of how politics are bad for business, in addition to political themes in games.

Not, really. You can tell when someone is triggered by how fast they start saying "Nimrod, Fool and Douche."

I'm just talking with you, you're the one that became salty.

@tryit: I didn't make claims. You're confusing me with someone else. Now tell me again why its my responsibility to explain tgings to you?

@blackballs: Calm down, snowflake. You started with the insults, I just returned in kind. Now you're crying, just like a snowflake.

@blackballs: Yea I don't remember you. It seems we both prefer Playstation though so at least you're not a total dunce.

the real irony is the title say 'openly' and us trying to get a single example is like pulling teeth

Because you posted the article. Which doesn't really say anything.

How can you not remember my blackball's avatar? Okay, anyhow. I think we need to stick together against the vile lemmings, so this is not doing us good. Let's just ignore each other in this thread.

@blackballs: Well tryit is a filthy hermit. Just so you know

@blackballs: LMAO!!! I didn't post the article!!! You lose, thanks for playing, snowflake.

What are you talking about?

@blackballs: You and the other weirdo said I posted the article and made a bunch of claims I never made. You snowflakes are hilarious. Btw, are you reclouds new alt? You are aren't you?

@tryit: does having a gay couple in your video game make that aspect political?

No. Up until they are characterised in a biased or stereotyped way or start talking about discrimination in the workplace.

Gays have been around since the Greeks anyway so it's not an innately political topic.

Yes! PLEASE keep politics out of games. Games are a distraction from the real world for most of us, people have injected their politics into everything nowadays.

@blackballs: Where you at, bud? Is the realization that you're a nincompoop too much to bear?

I hate politics in my video games, comics, movies and tv shows.

I use these forms of entertainment to escape the BS of everyday life.

I do my best to NOT watch the news or read the newspaper. I don’t care.

But when those things start appearing in my video games, I get angry.

I think it's actually important to have some sort of political or social commentary in any form of entertainment. Ascribing deeper meaning to things is a good quality to me, though it needs to be subtle, tasteful, and fair.

If all youre doing is making a game and going "Rawr! I have something say, liberals/conservatives suck rabble rabble rabble" then you are no better than your average college-age douchebag. But if you can say something true but do it in a clever way, or comment on the current state of things without being a pretentious prick, then I say go for it.

Surprised this was coming from a Ubisoft studio, they are arguably one of the most vocal of publishers in the social and political realm. Especially The Division developer; that faction of "firemen" in the first Division game felt to me like right-wing nutjobs.

lol what was politically relevant (to current issues) about Wolfenstein 2?

If you can't get on board with nazi killing, or think it's some sort of commentary on Trump, you have problems.

Wolfenstein 2 was epic btw.

It is, largely because the States have become so insane. Politics has been a dividing factor for years, but recently, it's a powder-keg...

Featuring anything the person is uncomfortable and/or unfamiliar with counts as "jamming it down their throat" or as "an agenda" :P

You know, even despite the fact that gay people do exist and you do encounter them on occasion. Still, if it's in their game and gay people are not part of their worldview, it seems to alienate them.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/2/16594166/wolfenstein-2-the-new-colossus-nazi-white-supremacist-political-commentary

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/12/28/wolfenstein-2-the-new-colossus-politics/

https://www.pcgamer.com/wolfenstein-2-is-political-but-isnt-a-commentary-on-current-topics-says-dev/

http://blog.cemertekin.com/2017/11/22/glorious-political-agenda-wolfenstein-ii-new-colossus/

https://kotaku.com/wolfenstein-ii-six-months-later-1825582710

https://mic.com/articles/182598/wolfenstein-2-nazis-america-trump-alt-right#.TfW3gw9ty

https://www.avclub.com/wolfenstein-ii-the-new-colossus-is-as-subtle-as-punchi-1819865874

Tell that shit to the media, that's a fraction of the articles, not to mention the countless videos on the subject. I don't support Trump, I just don't want current day politics in my games. It's toxic nonsense. Wolf 2 sucked btw.

Cool, get it out of my sports too

I'm sorry, but what exactly is the problem with that? They're nazis, I think finding connections between modern-day racism and bigotry and historical racism and bigotry is a pretty easy thing to do. As in obvious. That's like, idunno, saying the sky is blue and the ocean is blue...coincidence? I THINK NOT! :P

Pretty much just grabbing at low-hanging fruit if you write an article about how Wolfenstein is making political commentary. It's not so much that they're making commentary or a point as it is they are just stating the obvious.

@mrbojangles25: I just told you I don't want modern day toxic politics in games. Communism is promoted throughout the game as well, you support that too? We're just going to have to agree to disagree.

OK I looked it up and this game is set in post apocalyptic possible future New York - standard modern AAA stuff. But instead of zombies, it's criminals.

There is an assumption being made or postulated by the writers, that in the event of a national virus epidemic, automatically the population with revert instantly to anarchy and begin a looting and crime rampage across the country and the only guys who can stop them is THE AMERICAN HOMELAND STRATEGIC DIVISION SIR!

This is a security fantasy by Southern Hawks to masterbate over guns and keeping the American way, with guns. Because everyone is an asshole and needs to be shot.

It's US imperial wish fulfillment for rednecks.

So it's kind of hard to say this game isn't political when you are playing as a an actual political entity with a gun, and loads of concrete road blocks to cower behind.

Communism wasn't really promoted per se, the Kreseau Circle just allied with a communist resistance cell against a common enemy, the Nazis. BJ even went on a rant about communism when he was trying to recruit them, if you remember that.

Other than some comments from resistance members on the sub, it really wasn't brought up that much. I played through it 3 times, so I think I would have noticed it "being promoted throughout the game".

Can you give any other examples I am missing or not remembering?

If you are referring to the "start a revolution" thing, then that doesn't count. They were trying to overthrow the pro-nazi regime installed in America. Calling that pro-communist would be like calling the American Revolution pro-communist.

Lol first he hates gays, now Nazis not being portrayed as evil in games, as well? Snowflakes really just don't want anything non-white, macho man and christian in games.

@mrbojangles25: Nope... you don't get it.

jesus fucking christ

im thankful im no longer active in this pos forum

The irony of course is that if you look at history, at places where despots, tyrants, and other megalomaniac types have taken over, what happens in Wolfenstein is what happens in reality.

People who have been neighbors for decades turn on each other.
Newspapers turn into propoganda machines
Rabid displays of patriotism nationalism occur (i.e. parades, flag waving, etc).
Groups that were once thought of as extremist or crazy are now welcome

And a lot of that stuff is happening in the US right now. Children are still disowned by their families for being homosexuals, news outlets (right and left) serve agendas instead of the truth, and bigotry and racism has never been more welcome in this country than since the 1950's and 1960's.

Oh, I get it. I get that people are triggered by anything these days.

For example, an alt-history fictional game where the Germans won WWII is somehow construed as commentary on the American right-wing. Only the right can win the entirety--POTUS, congress, and so on-- of the most powerful nation in the world and still be the victims.

Hmm...sort of like the nazis in Wolfenstein, who run the entire world and yet still feel threatened by "impure" people. Maybe the right are on to something after all...

Right-wing logic:

1. People call us bigots
2. Game comes out about killing bigots
3. Game must be about us. They want to kill us?!
4. Outrage triggered: commence crying!

At best, it's narcissism. At worst, it's an admission of bigotry (i.e. "they doth protest too much, methinks")

Yes, its truly sad times we're living in. Most incredibly is how people never learn from their pasts. I just think that conservatism is a plague that for some reason society will never be able to erase, because it's in our innate nature to hate that which is different.

But you're a social reject who doesn't have anyone to play games with. Doesn't seem very chill at all.

Says the same social reject that randomly came back here.

The problem is that what is considered political is different depending on who you are.