Democrats Starting to Crack on the Wall

'I alone can end the shutdown with a signature...so therefore it's everyone else's fault too!'

This is completely stupid. Your ignoring the implication of what he's saying, *if they bring me something I'm willing to sign*.

Its amazing how stupid people are... oh there is a disagreement to what we should do, its the second party's fault!

Yes yes it is. He's not dictator. We have Congress for a reason. It's trump's fault and trump's alone........well along with his enablers.

@waahahah: bull. This shut down happen because trump wanted a wall. He denied the funding of the government before the new year when Congress was in was in control of the republican.

You realize how foolish you sound? Congress also is given accountability through the presidency through a veto. And congress gives the presidency accountability by being able to override a veto.

Guess what. Congress isn't overriding trump's demands. That means enough people see those demands as reasonable. Your calling them "enablers" which means you have a bias. The point is the government was intentionally designed this way. It was designed so that congress can't pass anything they want without the other 2 branches being able to weight in. But they do it after congress... 100% of the time. The presidency gets to veto/sign the bill when it finally gets to him, regardless of tentative plans he will always have the second look. Once its passed the judicial branch can also shoot it down if it deems it unconstitutional. For instance the ACA has an open case for being unconstitutional... and its not on a faulty logic. Was obama to blame when that shutdown happened. Congress does have the authority to defend servercices... was any one sad that they defunded federal forfeitures and marijuana seizures?

There are so many ways to stop a bill because its more important to get them right. It's fundamentally disagreements about what needs there are and no one person is at fault if no one can compromise. Because it takes two to fail to compromise.

If the shut down goes for for more days it could trigger a Reduction in Forces in the government. There are a lot of government employees that can be eliminated. That just might happen.

Ok. This has nothing to do with what I said though.

@JimB: "If the shut down goes for for more days it could trigger a Reduction in Forces in the government. There are a lot of government employees that can be eliminated. That just might happen."

So would you count that as a win? Genuinely curious.

I don't care, it has nothing to do with what I said.

@waahahah: unless you are an alt of JimB, I wasn't actually asking you.

I know just a comment.

Ah ok, this goes for a lot of different parts of government. Some people that are hoping to clean house are hoping to point at a lot of non essentials and use it as a point to start cleaving.

Either way you missed my point. The outcome doesn't matter, its getting to an outcome that everyone can agree on.

@waahahah: I lost interest in discussing your point with you around two days ago.

We can still discuss other things if you like. Love a good conversation, but we are just going to have to agree to disagree and move on in this case.

well thats a lie, your still here. That is less than two days.