Donald Trump Jr posts emails of Russian offer of material on Clinton: 'I love it'

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Donald Trump Jr has been forced to release damning emails that show he welcomed what he was told was a Russian government attempt to harm Hillary Clinton’s election campaign.

The emails show music promoter Rob Goldstone telling the future US president’s son that “the crown prosecutor of Russia” had offered “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father”

Goldstone adds: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”

Trump Jr replies 17 minutes later and welcomes the offer. “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”

In a later email, Goldstone describes the Russian lawyer they were due to meet, Natalia Veselnitskaya, as a “Russian government attorney”.

The formatting of the emails suggests that Trump Jr forwarded the whole chain to Paul Manafort, then Trump’s campaign chairman, and Jared Kushner, Trump Jr’s brother-in-law, before the meeting the three attended with Veselnitskaya.

Trump Jr released the email exchange on Tuesday apparently to pre-empt their publication by the New York Times, which, this weekend, first broke the news of his meeting with Veselnitskaya in June last year. Veselnitskaya had promised compromising information about Clinton but apparently failed to deliver.

The president’s eldest son denies any wrongdoing and tweeted on Tuesday: “Media and Dems are extremely invested in the Russia story. If this nonsense meeting is all they have after a year, I understand the desperation!”

On Monday night, the Times had reported that Trump Jr was informed in an email before a meeting with the lawyer that damaging information about Clinton to be handed over was part of an effort by the Russian government to help the Trump campaign.

The Times did not publish the Goldstone email, but reported that three different people had described it to them. On Tuesday the paper published the email, and Trump Jr posted the email chain to Twitter.

There is no such position as crown prosecutor of Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-jr-email-chain-russia-hillary-clinton

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#2  Edited By Zaryia
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The damage control should be interesting.

Spamming "fake news" only "works" for so long.

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@zaryia said:

The damage control should be interesting.

Spamming "fake news" only "works" for so long.

it only needs to work for ~ 3.5 more years.

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See still a few lines confusing as hell. Where it says they have info about Clinton working with Russia yet Russia is with Trump in the next couple lines.

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I'll wait for the NGA and NSA to give their take on it.

Don't be sheep.

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I'll wait for the NGA and NSA to give their take on it.

Don't be sheep.

Don Jr. directly gave these e-mails.

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So it's a "nothing burger" as CNN would put it. There's zero evidence of collusion. Better luck next time libs? :(

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@omnichris said:

So it's a "nothing burger" as CNN would put it. There's zero evidence of collusion. Better luck next time libs? :(

Yeah man just the president's son working with a foreign government to get dirt on an opponent. No big deal

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@omnichris said:

So it's a "nothing burger" as CNN would put it. There's zero evidence of collusion. Better luck next time libs? :(

Control-F, search Collusion.

Only match was your post.

Don't be so far right tribal.

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@comp_atkins said:
@zaryia said:

The damage control should be interesting.

Spamming "fake news" only "works" for so long.

it only needs to work for ~ 3.5 more years.

Jesus, it's only been half a year?

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@doomdizzle said:
@omnichris said:

So it's a "nothing burger" as CNN would put it. There's zero evidence of collusion. Better luck next time libs? :(

Yeah man just the president's son working with a foreign government to get dirt on an opponent. No big deal

He did nothing illegal.

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"Obama is leading from behind and ceding American global influence to the Russians!"

"Trump collaborating with Russia to influence the outcome of a US presidential election is A-OK because that isn't illegal."

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@mattbbpl said:

"Obama is leading from behind and ceding American global influence to the Russians!"

"Trump collaborating with Russia to influence the outcome of a US presidential election is A-OK because that isn't illegal."

It isn't illegal. I know liberals don't like laws or follow them, but us conservatives do.

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@n64dd: I didn't say it was. Nor do I intend to, as that wasn't the point of the post.

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#16  Edited By N64DD
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@mattbbpl said:

@n64dd: I didn't say it was. Nor do I intend to, as that wasn't the point of the post.

Think a little before you type.

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@n64dd said:
@mattbbpl said:

@n64dd: I didn't say it was. Nor do I intend to, as that wasn't the point of the post.

Think a little before you type.

Pardon me? I have no idea what you're referring to.

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At a minimum it shows that the Trumps are the real liars who no one should trust. Above that, it shows that they clearly had no problem working with the Russian government to influence the outcome of the election.

The desperate right wants to concentrate on only comrade Trumpski Jr. to try to downplay this, but Kushner and Manafort were there and they all participated in this meeting. Intent matters.

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@n64dd said:
@mattbbpl said:

"Obama is leading from behind and ceding American global influence to the Russians!"

"Trump collaborating with Russia to influence the outcome of a US presidential election is A-OK because that isn't illegal."

It isn't illegal. I know liberals don't like laws or follow them, but us conservatives do.

It seems like Matt was saying that republicans quite recently had higher standards than just the law, and they were far more concerned about the russian government/Putin gaining influence in the world just around 8 months ago. Now that it looks like the guy republicans voted for was assisted by the russian government in a very direct way and Putin wanted their candidate to win, republicans egos are at stake and thus their standards have been greatly lowered in an attempt to turn a blind eye to this story.

But then again Matt's a smart guy who may have been saying far more than that as well. :P

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#20  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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@n64dd said:
@mattbbpl said:

"Obama is leading from behind and ceding American global influence to the Russians!"

"Trump collaborating with Russia to influence the outcome of a US presidential election is A-OK because that isn't illegal."

It isn't illegal. I know liberals don't like laws or follow them, but us conservatives do.

Conspiracy to commit election fraud and conspiracy to obtain information from a foreign adversary are federal crimes.

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@n64dd said:
@mattbbpl said:

"Obama is leading from behind and ceding American global influence to the Russians!"

"Trump collaborating with Russia to influence the outcome of a US presidential election is A-OK because that isn't illegal."

It isn't illegal. I know liberals don't like laws or follow them, but us conservatives do.

Man this clip gets more priceless everytime...

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@Serraph105: Thanks Serraph, you're spot on.

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@n64dd: dude. Yes he did. People who are part of the political campaign are not to receive any contributions or gifts from outside US government's.

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Nothing burger like a thought, Trump Jr doesn't delete his emails like Hillary. Guy is 100% honest.

Also

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18477/flashback-hillary-allies-coordinated-ukrainian-aaron-bandler#

Clinton campaign colluded with ukraine during the election. :) Better luck next time. :)

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@Serraph105 said:
@n64dd said:
@mattbbpl said:

"Obama is leading from behind and ceding American global influence to the Russians!"

"Trump collaborating with Russia to influence the outcome of a US presidential election is A-OK because that isn't illegal."

It isn't illegal. I know liberals don't like laws or follow them, but us conservatives do.

It seems like Matt was saying that republicans quite recently had higher standards than just the law, and they were far more concerned about the russian government/Putin gaining influence in the world just around 8 months ago. Now that it looks like the guy republicans voted for was assisted by the russian government in a very direct way and Putin wanted their candidate to win, republicans egos are at stake and thus their standards have been greatly lowered in an attempt to turn a blind eye to this story.

But then again Matt's a smart guy who may have been saying far more than that as well. :P

and if I had wheels, i'd be a wagon.

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@omnichris said:

Nothing burger like a thought, Trump Jr doesn't delete his emails like Hillary. Guy is 100% honest.

Also

Clinton campaign colluded with ukraine during the election. :) Better luck next time. :)

It's not nothing. It shouldn't be nothing. It's disgraceful for anyone to think it is nothing. And stop deflecting. Better luck next time....something tells me you'll need it.

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@omnichris said:

Nothing burger like a thought, Trump Jr doesn't delete his emails like Hillary. Guy is 100% honest.

Also

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18477/flashback-hillary-allies-coordinated-ukrainian-aaron-bandler#

Clinton campaign colluded with ukraine during the election. :) Better luck next time. :)

You are aware that Jr. only released these emails to pre-empt the NYT story, right?

Also, Hillary isn't the President. What is up with Trump loonies always bringing up Clinton and Obama.

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@perfect_blue said:
@omnichris said:

Nothing burger like a thought, Trump Jr doesn't delete his emails like Hillary. Guy is 100% honest.

Also

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18477/flashback-hillary-allies-coordinated-ukrainian-aaron-bandler#

Clinton campaign colluded with ukraine during the election. :) Better luck next time. :)

You are aware that Jr. only released these emails to pre-empt the NYT story, right?

Also, Hillary isn't the President. What is up with Trump loonies always bringing up Clinton and Obama.

They can't defend the orange ass so they do what little kids do......tell you what someone else may/may not have done when in trouble.

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@perfect_blue said:
@n64dd said:
@mattbbpl said:

"Obama is leading from behind and ceding American global influence to the Russians!"

"Trump collaborating with Russia to influence the outcome of a US presidential election is A-OK because that isn't illegal."

It isn't illegal. I know liberals don't like laws or follow them, but us conservatives do.

Conspiracy to commit election fraud and conspiracy to obtain information from a foreign adversary are federal crimes.

Where is your proof of this?

So far nothing that have been shown even begins to go down that road.

But nice try, it´s fun to see the left work so hard to prove nothing.

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They can't defend the orange ass so they do what little kids do......tell you what someone else may/may not have done when in trouble.

Yup, it's quite sad. Trump supporters are bordering on delusion at this point.

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Seems the narrative has suddenly changed from, "this Russian collusion thing is made up by the deepstate establishment and media to save Hillary" to, "He did nothing illegal".

Did he not? This is literally the president's son coming forward and showing he welcomed getting compromising information from a source within Russia on Hillary prior to the election. This is pretty damn close to demonstrating conspiracy, which, as Perfect_Blue noted, are federal crimes.

This may not be a smoking gun (although I'm failing to see how it isn't), but it is a damning piece of evidence for the investigation. If anything, this outright proves that those closest to Trump were fully willing to engage with Russia to help him win. For crying out loud, the guy talking to Don about this incriminating information even SAYS he can send it to Trump himself, but due to its "ultra sensitive" nature wanted to run it by Jr. first.

Jesus Christ. What the **** more is needed here??

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Trump jr. wouldn't of made a peep if his lawyers told him it wasn't okay to leak. Now news outlets are dusting off they're lawyer degree trying to prove this is a Trump-Russia collusion.

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@MirkoS77 said:

What the **** more is needed here??

Republicans to get some backbone.

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Trump jr. wouldn't of made a peep if his lawyers told him it wasn't okay to leak. Now news outlets are dusting off they're lawyer degree trying to prove this is a Trump-Russia collusion.

Assumptions I see. He is related to Donald J who does what he wants notwithstanding that his lawyers and advisors tell him no. So it's just as easy to believe he has the same stupidity and arrogance of his father.

FYI it IS a Trump-Russia collusion. There is no other way to look at it. But I guess it's better to repeat those mantras to yourself and the blame the media for finding out the corruption exists than it is to admit you were wrong in your vote.

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LOL

I'm convinced that no one on the left knows how the law works in America.

Oh, and this is from the Russian lawyers FB page. No axe to grind there...lol

http://archive.is/mdSre

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LOL

I'm convinced that no one on the left knows how the law works in America.

Oh, and this is from the Russian lawyers FB page. No axe to grind there...lol

http://archive.is/mdSre

Chasing their tails.

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LOL

I'm convinced that no one on the left knows how the law works in America.

Oh, and this is from the Russian lawyers FB page. No axe to grind there...lol

Depending on what is discovered it can indeed be a crime. It's a felony to lie to a federal officer. And with all the stories floating by the threesome....well it can be criminal.

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#38  Edited By deactivated-5acfa3a8bc51d
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said:
@playmynutz said:

Trump jr. wouldn't of made a peep if his lawyers told him it wasn't okay to leak. Now news outlets are dusting off they're lawyer degree trying to prove this is a Trump-Russia collusion.

Assumptions I see. He is related to Donald J who does what he wants notwithstanding that his lawyers and advisors tell him no. So it's just as easy to believe he has the same stupidity and arrogance of his father.

FYI it IS a Trump-Russia collusion. There is no other way to look at it. But I guess it's better to repeat those mantras to yourself and the blame the media for finding out the corruption exists than it is to admit you were wrong in your vote.

To add context to my previous post. NPR: Trump Jr.'s Emails Renew Questions About Legality Of Russia Meeting . Among the wave of news articles scrambling to check the legality. It's a Trump-Russia collusion as much as it would of been a Clinton-Saudi Arabia collusion.

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#39  Edited By Frank_Castle
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The Smoking Gun. Trump Jr's Russian Fixer....check out some of his vids...http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bizarre-social-media-donald-trump-jr-s-russia-link-article-1.3318107

Seems like a credible fella...lol

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@playmynutz said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@playmynutz said:

Trump jr. wouldn't of made a peep if his lawyers told him it wasn't okay to leak. Now news outlets are dusting off they're lawyer degree trying to prove this is a Trump-Russia collusion.

Assumptions I see. He is related to Donald J who does what he wants notwithstanding that his lawyers and advisors tell him no. So it's just as easy to believe he has the same stupidity and arrogance of his father.

FYI it IS a Trump-Russia collusion. There is no other way to look at it. But I guess it's better to repeat those mantras to yourself and the blame the media for finding out the corruption exists than it is to admit you were wrong in your vote.

To add context to my previous post. NPR: Trump Jr.'s Emails Renew Questions About Legality Of Russia Meeting . Among the wave of news articles scrambling to check the legality. It's a Trump-Russia collusion as much as it would of been a Clinton-Saudi Arabia collusion.

Three members of Trump's inner circle and official Kremlin information. And the info came from one of the three.

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At a minimum it shows that the Trumps are the real liars who no one should trust. Above that, it shows that they clearly had no problem working with the Russian government to influence the outcome of the election.

The desperate right wants to concentrate on only comrade Trumpski Jr. to try to downplay this, but Kushner and Manafort were there and they all participated in this meeting. Intent matters.

When was the last time you trusted any politician?

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@playmynutz said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@playmynutz said:

Trump jr. wouldn't of made a peep if his lawyers told him it wasn't okay to leak. Now news outlets are dusting off they're lawyer degree trying to prove this is a Trump-Russia collusion.

Assumptions I see. He is related to Donald J who does what he wants notwithstanding that his lawyers and advisors tell him no. So it's just as easy to believe he has the same stupidity and arrogance of his father.

FYI it IS a Trump-Russia collusion. There is no other way to look at it. But I guess it's better to repeat those mantras to yourself and the blame the media for finding out the corruption exists than it is to admit you were wrong in your vote.

To add context to my previous post. NPR: Trump Jr.'s Emails Renew Questions About Legality Of Russia Meeting . Among the wave of news articles scrambling to check the legality. It's a Trump-Russia collusion as much as it would of been a Clinton-Saudi Arabia collusion.

Three members of Trump's inner circle and official Kremlin information. And the info came from one of the three.

I bet if we checked some of the 30,000 emails hillary deleted or one of the phones she had smashed, we'd get more info.

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@sSubZerOo said:
@tjandmia said:

At a minimum it shows that the Trumps are the real liars who no one should trust. Above that, it shows that they clearly had no problem working with the Russian government to influence the outcome of the election.

The desperate right wants to concentrate on only comrade Trumpski Jr. to try to downplay this, but Kushner and Manafort were there and they all participated in this meeting. Intent matters.

When was the last time you trusted any politician?

Stop deflecting. It's really pathetic. Accept that this administration is corrupt, like most Americans already have.

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#44  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@tjandmia said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@tjandmia said:

At a minimum it shows that the Trumps are the real liars who no one should trust. Above that, it shows that they clearly had no problem working with the Russian government to influence the outcome of the election.

The desperate right wants to concentrate on only comrade Trumpski Jr. to try to downplay this, but Kushner and Manafort were there and they all participated in this meeting. Intent matters.

When was the last time you trusted any politician?

Stop deflecting. It's really pathetic. Accept that this administration is corrupt, like most Americans already have.

Of course Trump's administration is corrupt and the man is a clown.... That isn't a deflection, that is more agreeing with you that he is a liar but chiding you for the foolishness of trusting any politician.

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@n64dd: This isn't about Hilary and she isn't leading the country. Stay on topic partisan troll.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@n64dd: This isn't about Hilary and she isn't leading the country. Stay on topic partisan troll.

I'm just wondering why you're having this holy crusade against trump, when hillary did way more shadier shit? you never said a word and defended the hell out of her.

Would you agree that her and trump should both be in jail?

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@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@n64dd: This isn't about Hilary and she isn't leading the country. Stay on topic partisan troll.

I'm just wondering why you're having this holy crusade against trump, when hillary did way more shadier shit? you never said a word and defended the hell out of her.

Would you agree that her and trump should both be in jail?

Read my post over again. Slowly and it might sink in. I'm not interested in what the Clintons are doing. They are not in power nor running this country.

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#48  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@n64dd: This isn't about Hilary and she isn't leading the country. Stay on topic partisan troll.

I'm just wondering why you're having this holy crusade against trump, when hillary did way more shadier shit? you never said a word and defended the hell out of her.

Would you agree that her and trump should both be in jail?

Clinton was investigated by the FBI and they had over 10 Congressional investigations related to her emails, Benghazi, White Water, etc. and nothing was ever found.

Trump's investigations are ongoing. Makes no sense to compare the two and your Clinton obsession is bizarre. She also isn't the President lol.

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#49  Edited By Zaryia
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@n64dd: This isn't about Hilary and she isn't leading the country. Stay on topic partisan troll.

I'm just wondering why you're having this holy crusade against trump, when hillary did way more shadier shit? you never said a word and defended the hell out of her.

Would you agree that her and trump should both be in jail?

Read my post over again. Slowly and it might sink in. I'm not interested in what the Clintons are doing. They are not in power nor running this country.

I'm not sure why people are saying this is a anti-Trump crusade. Are we not allowed to post facts such as the NYT Article or facts of the FBI/Senate Investigations?

Is the truth so harmful to far right nutjobs?

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@perfect_blue said:
@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@n64dd: This isn't about Hilary and she isn't leading the country. Stay on topic partisan troll.

I'm just wondering why you're having this holy crusade against trump, when hillary did way more shadier shit? you never said a word and defended the hell out of her.

Would you agree that her and trump should both be in jail?

Clinton was investigated by the FBI and they had over 10 Congressional investigations related to her emails, Benghazi, White Water, etc. and nothing was ever found.

Trump's investigations are ongoing. Makes no sense to compare the two and your Clinton obsession is bizarre.

It doesn't bother you she had 30,000 emails deleted and almost a dozen phones smashed with a hammer?