Donald Trump Jr posts emails of Russian offer of material on Clinton: 'I love it'

Hillary has been under more investigations than any politicians and was never found guilty of any wrongdoing. Like the previous poster said, any mentions of Hillary at this point are pure deflections, red herrings, and whataboutism tactics.

Ask yourself this: if there was no Russian investigation, would the Trump administration and their paid shills on TV be talking about Hillary Clinton? No, no they would not.

For how supposedly corrupt and evil Clinton is, it's quite curious how there's never been any evidence of wrongdoing or corruption despite her being in the public service for over 25 years. So she's either a criminal mastermind capable of extraordinary feats of subterfuge or the US government and the investigation apparatus is so incompetent it can't manage to nail her with anything. It's sad how the right has built her up as the ultimate boogeyman when in reality Clinton is just some career politician like the others.

Hey I didn't vote for trump nor have I voted for any republican in any office for over two decades, but what reality do you live in?

All you got right now is a son and son in law, at best, and still not the actual President. Whether that changes or not doesn't matter like it hasn't mattered so far this year. You get the stuff to prosecute you got the stuff to prosecute. But you don't, and you still don't at this very minute.

Do I believe his son was colluding an supposed Russian official? Oh yes. Entirely.

But it won't amount to anything, just like Hillary Clinton being the lesser of two evils this past election. Was she? Yes. Did it matter? Hell no!

Both sides are guilty of deflection, but at this point I definitely can't see the Trump Russia story as pure hype. It's obvious that there was, at the very least, an intent to collude. Over all I'm less concerned with Hillary considering she's not president but I'm no fan of the DNC, they are their own worst enemy and just another symptom of how fucked up politics is in the US.

@CreasianDevaili: You're probably right unfortunately, but this has already gone farther than I EVER would have thought so I'm not holding my breath either way.

lol. Please. You brought up Hillary, who is completely irrelevant to anything related to u.s. politics because you refuse to see the reality that Trump and his admin are everything they accused Hillary of being and you want to deflect. Everyone sees right through your bullshit.

EDIT: We've just learned that Trump's lawyers knew about these emails weeks ago. This is going to end up the most corrupt admin in our nation's history. Wow...

I don't care if it was Daffy Duck. That email exchange shows intent on Trump Jr's part, for what he knew at the time was being offered incriminating information on Trump's opponent. It could've been Americans posing as people with Kremlin connections, and that'd good enough for me. This brings to mind the show "To catch a Predator". It doesn't matter that the person posing as the underage girl was indeed an adult, or even if the cops were not actually cops. What matters is conspiracy to commit a lewd act with a minor.

That person, sobbing their new lot in life as they're dragged into the back of an interrogation van and lined up for their mug shots before being hauled off jail, bears full responsibility. But why should he? "He did nothing illegal!", right Trumpsters?

And Trump is

Like it, love it, hate it, loathe it...whatever.

End of discussion

So how about instead of rooting for the leader of your own country to be a massive fuckup...you go ahead and give the guy a chance?

Eh?

Hillary..."honorable"

Holy shit you're delusional

Don't want to speak for LJ, but the only problem I see with your reply here, Frank, is that our president is a massive ****-up and his policies will harm the middle class and most Americans. How could anyone with an ounce of common sense support that?

Yes, honorable. Never did any of the things she was accused of by Trump and Republicans, was vindicated of every nonsensical accusation, and never had to settle a fraud suit, or get fined for being a racist, so....honorable.

CNN

A scramble by White House aides to respond to the brewing controversy over Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting with a Russian lawyer may have exposed those aides to special counsel scrutiny.

They can now be called on by investigators led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller to explain what they may have learned about the meeting that the President's eldest son, Trump Jr., his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had with the Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign.

I don't believe Trump knew. Donald Trump is so infatuated with the image of Donald Trump that he can't see the forest through the trees.

I honestly believe Trump sees this as a slight to himself that he was unaware of goings-on at the highest levels of his own campaign -- so he feels compelled to say he knew about it.

Either way, words matter -- especially when you're president.

Just not by anyone that matters. Or can you link me to the current on going investigations concerning Hillary?

And no, not O'Keefe, Cernovich, Milo, or Hannity "investigations". I mean like the FBI, CIA, Senate, etc. Not fantasy land.

"I can also send this to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first."

That is a pretty damning statement implicating Trump's involvement. Even if Trump didn't know this particular meeting wouldn't be bringing information against Hillary to his benefit, I think it's quite a stretch to believe that in the larger picture he had not given explicit approval to take any measures to win, and that includes getting compromising information on his opponent by any means possible. This is usually how these things work: those at the highest levels give their blanket approval yet stay out the details so they can then cowardly cling to plausible deniability, cannot be directly connected, and let those under them who did the dirty work take the fall when the shit hits the fan.

Then who's to say Trump won't pardon them (much less his son) when they're discovered with their pants around their ankles?

That's not a stretch at all, what you're saying, but when Trump says the Russia thing is a "witch-hunt" I think he is speaking from a position of ignorance. I just don't give Trump the credit that would be needed to pull of something this intricate and nuanced.

And if you don't believe me, take it from Steve Bannon:

"[Donald Trump is a] blunt instrument for us,” he told me earlier this summer. “I don’t know whether he really gets it or not.”

Source: 1 and 2

I agree that Trump is incompetent, but he has the ability to say to those who aren't that serve him, "Get this done". Those people understand nuance and hold vested interest in helping him. Trump doesn't have much more to do than to give an initial okay to move forward, and he's in such a position of responsibility and scrutiny in all his actions that I doubt he could even be directly involved even if he wished to be. That doesn't mean he hasn't given approval and wished to be kept in the loop. This is why I believe Trump's not going to be taken down unless we can find some recording of him outright stating he desires collusion.

Hillary has been great at bending the law, and of course she can do that, since she clearly knows the law quite well. This does not make her a criminal however.

And no, if there was no russia investigation, the trumpetteers would not care about hillary anymore, I am full well aware this is deflection on the trump side... but when someone like me who dislikes both Trump? Well, I am just being consistant.

p.s: Those corruption accusations are comical, Trump has shown himself to be more corrupt than any other western politician I can think of (that includes of course Hillary). Who the hell gives their son's wedding planner a shitton of political power, for merely being the wedding planner?

All in all, what I am saying is... 2 things. Be consistent, and I hope this email is receiving a lot of investigation.

Give Trump a chance?

Bitch please, people already did, and he has in the past 6 months shown to be comically inept and willfully ignorant (as in unwilling to learn and improve). Not to mention, extremely corrupt... like Hugo Chavez levels of corruption. The shit that guy did, are now being repeated by Trump. The biggest concern with Trump with this isnt whether he broke the law or not as far as I am concerned, the greatest concern is if Trump is undermining the very democracy itself, much like Hugo did.

Two already answered this for you but since you asked me I will answer. No I was never a Trump fan. But he was elected. He had his chance. He's unqualified for the job. He shows that every day. He is not diplomatic with other countries. He is losing allies. He is not mature. He is not able to shrug criticism off. His policies will hurt the middle class....the ones he championed to get elected. He has NO respect for our government nor it's agencies. In short.....he sucks. He should not be president. And now we have this Russian conspiracy and if anyone believes he didn't know about it.....I have a tower in New York to sell them.

Hmm, besides the B use.

Trump is president and until 2020 you got no chance of perhaps changing that. So what about backing your president up.

Because someone is president they shouldn't automatically be backed up. Otherwise you are advocating they are above all laws etc. We don't have dictators in the US.

Proving even more that this lawyer was working on behalf of Putin, we now know that there was a Russian intelligence officer in the meeting.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/341997-ex-soviet-officer-was-also-in-trump-jr-meeting-report

Respect is earned, not given.

Meanwhile, Trump has yet to do anything to earn a shred of respect.

So now 6 months is enough time to accurately judge a President?

You go ahead and show me the proof of this "extreme" corruption that you're rambling on about. Not the bullshit hearsay from CNN, NY Times, or MSNBC who have been railing on about this bullshit for 8 months now...with absolutely nothing to show for it.

Hugo Chavez...lol

Violent crime was rampant during his reign, rewrote the constitution in Venezuela, was hell bent on spreading communism, sponsored terrorism, etc.

While on the other hand, Trump was caught making a crude joke about women 12 years ago and is caught up in some "Russian collusion" crap which, after damn near a year of constant poking and prodding, there is still zero solid evidence to link him to it.

None. Zero. Zip. Nadda.

Nepotism, firing of judges, potential obstruction of justice, attacking the media and watchdogs...

You know, how dictatorships actually emerge from democracies.

Nepotism? I have no problem with the President keeping people he trusts close to him. It's not like he has family members in high ranking cabinet positions. He has people like Kushner and Ivanka around as advisors. I don't have an issue with that. Now, if he had tried naming Kushner the Treasury Secretary or something, then your nepotism argument would hold water.

"Potential" obstruction of justice...and once again, I ask where is the proof of this? It's been constantly spewed every single day in the news despite not a single one of these dickholes having even a shred of evidence to back up the claims of "obstruction".

And I'm glad someone is finally calling out the jackasses in the media who have been lying through their teeth for years while the American people just gobble it up with no questions asked. Bush was a pushover pussy who put on a smile and played buddy-buddy with the media every day despite them slandering him damn near 24/7 for 8 years. Bush was not a good President, but you had liberals blaming him for shit like 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina for crying out loud.

Remember when the mainstream media polls were telling you guys that Hillary had as much as a 98% chance of winning the election less than 24 hours before the election took place?

Yeah...why would anyone trust those agenda-driven assholes?

Wow, you really are a dictatorship enabler. "Screw talent and aptitude, let my friends take positions of power!" is practically what youare saying right now. Firing judges and calleing them "so-called judges" would heavily imply that what Trump is doing was just that. Also firing comey. The rest of your post is just that... you being a dictatorship enabler. Because it is exactly your kind of attitude that enables strongmen to perform democratic backsliding.

And as for your probability thing. Please don't talk about probabilities since you clearly don't understand how probabilities work. But if maths class is too hard for you (it seems to be, since you are having difficulties comprehending middle school mathematics), go play XCOM 1 or 2 (the modern ones that is).

And 6 months is a pretty good way to get a picture of how he will run the country. And so far, he has shown himself to be possibly one of the worst presidents in US history. He is so bad he makes Obama, an otherwise mediocre president look excellent.

He squandered his political honeymoon. He put amateurs in his cabinet. His first military operation was a disaster. He has shown terrible understanding of how things work. His healthcare plan is the most unpopular US bill for over 3 decades. He has shown to be terrible at the game of politics, and gets constantly his agenda pushed back by congress. In spite of holding both houses.

You answered your own question there. Some of these people would let Trump shit in their mouth if it meant a liberal would have to smell it.

You have no problem with nepostism? Well then I guess North Korea's government is right up your alley. One should put qualified individuals in positions to run the country and not family/friends. You have no issue with people that clueless becoming advisors? Wonderful. They you don't actually want the country to succeed.

His firing of Comey actually can be considered obstruction. He fired the individual investigating. Those who believe in the cult of personality don't see it that way and so it's pointless trying to convince them to open their eyes. But I have a feeling if the other party was in power and did that that cult would be screaming for impeachment.

It's not the media that has been caught lying but this administration. After a time evidence comes that backs up the stories. Hell if conservative media are posting some negatives. If that doesn't convince you....nothing will.

Polling.....learn how it works.

Huh?

Democrats were calling for Comey to be fired for months...until Trump actually did it. Then they REALLY jumped to this "he's hiding something!" bullshit.

How are people like General Mattis, Jeff Sessions, Ben Carson, Mike Pompeo, Betsy DeVos, etc unqualified for their positions? You may disagree with some of their stances, but they're sure as hell qualified.

And I personally liked how he thought outside the box on some of the cabinet hires. Linda McMahon as Administrator of Small Business? Well, she and her husband did grow some shitty little wrestling circuit into a multi-billion dollar corporation. Steve Mnuchin as Secretary of the Treasury? Well, the guy did become a billionaire on Wall Street. I could certainly think of less qualified people to handle our finances.

And as for my "probability thing", are you denying that basically every media poll out there was giving Hillary 90%+ odds to win just hours before the ballots were counted? 90%+ odds...and how did they even determine that? Calling up a couple thousand registered voters out of the 200+ million?

Under Trump, the stock market is at an all-time high, he helped create 222k jobs in June alone (was predicted to be 180k), pulled us out of the ass-backwards Paris Accords deal, the VA is being scrubbed clean with better benefits for veterans, he signed an EO to revive the National Space Council which had been dormant for over 25 years, etc.

Trump could cure cancer tomorrow and the left would somehow chastise him for it.

Fact of the matter is, people who voted for Trump don't give a rats asshole about his pussy grabbing comment from almost 13 years ago or his brash attitude. They care about stuff like jobs, tax reform and the border wall. The job market is booming...now if taxes are lowered for the middle class and the wall is built (the House Appropriations Committee already allocated $1.6 billion towards it so they can begin construction...it's going to happen) then anything else is just sugar on the top.

You think if Trump delivers on many of his promises that he's going to lose any of his base come 2020? That's not happening. In fact, you'll see even more moderate democrats cross the isle to re-elect him. Especially if the Dems are going to roll out some dummy like Biden, Holder, Cuomo or even Hillary for the umpteenth time to oppose him.

Possibly the most important aspect of being president is delegation, putting the right people in the right places. This means bringing in people who's qualifications (not stance) cannot be questioned.

Betsy DeVos as the secretary of education has zero experience in education. She was never a teacher, never a principal, never an administrator, never on any state or national education boards, nothing. Her ONLY experience into education is figuring out how to take tax payer dollars and shift it to private religious schools. Thats it. In no way does that make her qualified to be the secretary of education. If you want to say she is a qualified, shady and constitution breaking business woman because of this, fine, but shes not qualified to be SOE. Im more qualified than she is.

Ben Carson is a goddamn surgeon who was given the task of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development....... i mean.... are you kidding me here? Do you understand what makes someone qualified for a goddamn job? If this guy was on the board of health, no one could say a goddamn single thing... but hes not, instead he was given a job that he had zero qualifications for.

Mike Pompeo, name one thing in his career that makes him qualified to be head of the CIA. Just one thing.

Mattis and Sessions are two very different people from these other guys. At least with those two we can show a history of a career within the positions they were given. Whether you think that history is good enough to qualify them for said position is a different story (IMO, Sessions should be in prison and should be no where near power) and that opinion is actually up to the individual. But whats not an opinion, is that we can factually demonstrate that these other three ass-clowns have zero qualifications for the jobs they were given. I really don't know how to put it more bluntly than that. I mean........ are we really being this stupid to pretend that these are not possibly the worst people to be put in these positions? Are we really trying to pretend that we don't understand the utmost basics of hiring the proper people for a job?

And I personally liked how he thought outside the box on some of the cabinet hires.

There is a massive difference between thinking outside the box, and hiring unqualified people who will be in charge of our education tax dollars, our CIA, etc. These are not easy jobs, its not labor work, you cant be taught this in a day and pick up on it. And we've seen this from them btw, we've seen that these people have no idea wtf they are doing.

If youre going to tout being the party of smart business, than you should be able to demonstrate the most proven and yet basic rules for business. Hell, its so basic i dont know if we can call it business basic, this is two brain cells working in tandem basic.

And as for my "probability thing", are you denying that basically every media poll out there was giving Hillary 90%+ odds to win just hours before the ballots were counted? 90%+ odds...and how did they even determine that?

Since you pay attention to these things you know this answer right? It was repeated over and over and actually fairly simple. The 90% thing, was because they were basing these projections off 2008 and 2012 election results. They didnt listen and then miscalculated and determined that saying "shes a woman, vote for her" was equivalent to an actual progressive or at least a lying progressive (Obama) and those same voters would be on board. They wernt. Many of them, myself included, became Bernie or Bust people or Jill Stein voters.

Fact of the matter is, people who voted for Trump don't give a rats asshole about his pussy grabbing comment from almost 13 years ago or his brash attitude.

Yah, i think most people recognize that. If one is dumb enough to think voting for a man who;s only political experience is buying politicians to screw us out of tax dollars (and then like utter morons suggest he is some how something different, when the reality is he is the ending product of a corrupted corporate system) is a good idea, well then that person probably wont give a shit about anything else.

I will explain it, slowly, so you can understand.

Democracies (and dont give me that middle school "Its a republic not a democracy" garbage) are systems that can only work if the underlying infrastructure can support it. A true democracy is supported by pillars so to speak. These pillars include the press/media, watchdogs and a just rule of law. Democratic backsliding, involves undermining those 3 pillars. What Donald Trump is doing is trying to destroy the reputation of the former, while obstructing the latter (case in point: Comey).

Hardly any of those picks are qualified for having the jobs they do. Ben Carson is a great surgeon no doubt... but what exactly does he have to do with urban development? Had he been put in as the secratary of health and human services nobody would have been botehred by the choice. Many of the cabinet picks have little to no experience and only got in because of the bribes they paid donald trump beforehand. And now we have Betsy DeVos, a creationist in charge of education... sigh.

Regarding those positive things you are talking about. Credit for those are to be given to Obama. It is not until next year we can see the implications of Trump's policies.

Edit: How do they determine those percentages? There is a whole branch of mathematics to determine probability distribution, which is covered in a Mathematical Statistics course. However, such a course usually falls at university level and trying to explain it is simply put too much work for a forum post. And like many of these polls also showed. Trump beating Hillary was WITHIN the margin of error. Something which can also be mathematically calculated. Had Trump's victory been outside the margin of error there would have been a problem, but that was never the case.

@frank_castle: Holy shit my dude did you just try to say Betsy Devos was qualified? You're playing party politics way too hard here and need to take a step back before your head spins off.

And now we know that Trump Jr. was handed information from the Russian government by that Kremlin-linked lawyer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-american-lobbyist-just-strolled-trump-jr-meeting-212151832.html

Except any Democrats that called for Comey to be fired was during the election. When Trump got into office, he was investigated for possible Russia ties, which look to be adding up courtesy of Trump Jr.

Two entirely different situations. You can't just say "Oh Trump critics should like him now because he fired Comey," when the circumstances are different.

Let me ask you something: do you think that Trump's war with the media is driven by a desire for higher journalistic integrity, or out of a desire for personal gain?

You're glad Trump is "calling out the jackasses in the media who have been lying through their teeth for years"? Right, how foolish of the rest of us to fail to see that Trump is the harbinger of the truth. Anyone who isn't a moron can plainly see that Trump's driving impetus in attacking the media is to progress his own interests and lessen his accountability. If there's one credit I'm to lay at Trump's feet, it's that he recognized an underlying public sentiment of immense distrust towards the fourth pillar and is leveraging that to his benefit while framing it as if he's doing a service to the people. He's not, only those gullible enough to believe it are to be taken for such a ride. Rest assured, he wouldn't have one thing negative to say against them if they all stood in his favor (like Fox News).

People who think for themselves decide what they deem wise to gobble up, they don't need some transparent conman to come in and tell them what is already blatantly apparent. You think the media has an agenda? And what....Trump doesn't?

Actual fake news blog site Breitbart got killed over this, they claimed it was fake news for days and that NYT had no proof.

Hannity as well.

To quote Don, "I love it.".

You ever been to Breitbart? It's amazing the headlines you will see there, the crap they post twisting themselves into pretzels to shield their readers from reality.

Ok... this is when you know you are turning a case of hysteria into outright lunacy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/clinton-ally-paul-begala-trump-should-consider-bombing-russia

This is a FANTASTIC example of right-wing fake news. Begala suggests more sanctions and that we initiate a retaliatory cyber attack on Russian intel agencies (FSB, GRU, etc) in response to the election attack and influence by Russia, something Obama actually approved. Notice how it was turned into "bomb russia" by the right-wing spin machine.

This should serve as a perfect example to everyone why right-wing fake news should be avoided at all costs. This garbage literally makes people stupid.

The hell are you talking about?

The Daily Beast is pretty damn left-wing.

And no, he wasn't talking about that in the video clip. At all, what he said was far more barbaric.

Talking about a glaring example of right-wing fake news, but feel free to keep making the argument that he was really making the case for bombing Russia.