Has any conservative or republican found the election fraud claim unlikely or far fetched?

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#151  Edited By MirkoS77
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@nirgal said:

@MirkoS77: its simple. A democracy can't work by excluding 30% of the population. Specially if it turns violent.

And you do little convincing by mercilessly ridiculing and mocking. You only make people push back harder.

And worse, it becomes an instrument for emotional satisfaction through punishment of others. So it leads yourself away from constructively expressing your point of views.

Instead of trying to argue your point (which makes you further analyze it as you express it ), your focus becomes about humiliating the other person.

I think the more important question to ask is: can a democracy work by including 30% of the population who dismiss and reject democratic norms? I don't think people who believe in the Big Lie should even be able to vote.

And I'm not trying to convince when I ridicule, I'm attempting to ostracize. I do so not to people who've made their positions know, but only to those that hold positions that have nothing to do with argument, logic, facts, or evidence, but are predicated solely upon emotionally-driven partisan adherence and stubborn dogmatism that stand in contravention of all of those things. When you're dealing with such individuals, you are long past the point of good-faith discourse.....I treat it as such.

Further, I see nothing wrong with gaining emotional satisfaction from people who are being intentionally stupid and delusional to satiate their own alternate reality worldviews, and I can easily constructively express my own opinions while doing so. One doesn't preclude the other, nor does it impede me from reflections of my own position.

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#152  Edited By Nirgal
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They will still be allowed to vote regardless of what you want.

And your effort of ostracizing will only be used as point to portray themselves as victims and you as a bully. And you will seem like one.

Also, If i were you, every time i get emotional satisfaction over berating someone i would stop and think about how that reflects on myself regardless of whoever you are interacting with.

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#153 MirkoS77
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@nirgal said:

They will still be allowed to vote regardless of what you want.

And your effort of ostracizing will only be used as point to portray themselves as victims and you as a bully. And you will seem like one.

Also, If i were you, every time i get emotional satisfaction over berating someone i would stop and think about how that reflects on myself regardless of whoever you are interacting with.

These people play the victim anyway, regardless of the underserved respect you accord them. Mocking stupidity and delusion isn't being a bully, it is according manner of belief the respect that it is deserved.

And please, spare me the self-righteous spiel. People berate and ridicule stupidity and delusion all the time in satisfaction, every single day. Realize, this isn't simply a divergence of opinion in those I hold to ridicule, but only targeted again at the willfully ignorant, stubborn and dogmatic who do not care to operate in the world of facts and evidence. Such as FEs and election deniers.

Were I to do this to respectful and good-faith interlocuters, then you'd have a point. As is, I'm quite comfortable with my reflection, thanks.

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#154 deactivated-622fe92f3678e
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@nirgal: Do you hear yourself? Its more that you ignore right wingers attacking anybody they disagree with that bugs me.

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#155 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic said:

I'm not signaling out internet as a tool but in the past law enforcement has kept tabs on people on their radar for various crimes.

Lol.

Okay, just to recap. You weren't talking about the internet, but now you're talking about using "older methods pre-internet" to "keep 'extremists' on the radar" but now you're not signaling the internet use out. Furthermore, "keeping them on the radar" means ... Keeping tabs like how they did in the past? Fascinating.

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#156 LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer: Are you having a problem following along?

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#157 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic said:

@Stevo_the_gamer: Are you having a problem following along?

Produced a sensible chuckle.