Is Donald Trump a racist?

@waahahah: No offense but people like you are the reason Trump supporters have such a bad rep. I'm not exactly quick to assume people are racist (in fact I've criticized liberals and Democrats MANY times for doing just that) but so far you've made the following claims:

• It's OK to discriminate against any and all black people due to higher crime rates in the black community
• It's OK to skip background checks of black applicants due to the assumption that they're criminals and thus dismiss their applications
• It's OK to segregate black people and prevent them from living in buildings that are full of racist people that admit to disliking them for being black
• It's OK to assume black people won't get along with white people because white people will assume they're criminals
• It's OK to assume black people will commit crimes and thus withhold privileges from them such as housing and employment

I hate to break this to you, but you are definitely a racist, but you don't seem to realize it. You've openly admitted that black discrimination is OK multiple times, and favored the inferior treatment of black people, which is the textbook definition of racism. I'm praying that you're just a very convincing troll and that you don't actually believe black discrimination is acceptable. For your own sake I'll assume that's the case.

You mean understanding nuance and differences in motivation for discrimination is what defines a trump supporter. Don't feel bad about that.

Nuance is something that you are clearly not capable of. Neither are probabilities because I never suggested that we should assume any of those things based on race.

Discriminating based on statistics is not discriminating against black people because they are black.

Yes...you did. You said that because black people commit a disproportionate number of crimes, we should treat all black people differently based on that statistic. For example, when deciding which applicants to rent an apartment to. It seems you're not quite informed on what racism is, but discrimination based on race (or even justifying discrimination based on race) is 100% racism.

Newsflash: There's no excuse or justification for racial discrimination. To say otherwise is racist. End of story.

This is telling enough.

Case in point. You are taking the worst aspects of black culture and contrasting it to the best of white to justify your argument. Rap stems from predominantly black culture which celebrates gang violence (bad) vs. the virtues of hard work and the heights of entrepreneurial achievement (good) coming from a predominantly white culture. Are you going to argue that you don't view one measure of achievement as superior to the other? What is the determining factor to you that makes you grant the Greeks' accomplishments over it? Culture isn't a race, but cultures are composed by the races who define it. This is what Trump (and you) depend upon when speaking of other cultures, whether it be stating he desires immigrants to come from places which are predominantly white (Norway), or taking consistent efforts to paint those who aren't as a plague rife with criminals coming from "shitholes".

Yet those of us who take that as viewing certain races as superior or inferior to others are apparently off our rockers and have absolutely no basis to accuse Trump, or his supporters, of racism. Right. You can find the best and the worst in all cultures, and I think you know that. That you and Trump deem to always view the worst from one while citing the best from another and then pathetically downplay the link between culture and race to excuse it, as you've just attempted, indicates to me who the real assholes are here.

Assuming a black person is a criminimal =/= if black people commit crimes 2:1 compared to white person twice as likely to get a criminal if you choose a black person.

Its called nuance. Its not racism. No one is suggesting that black people are inherently more likely going to commit more crimes. Its just statistically going through the trouble of PAYING for a background check or entertaining the idea of filling a spot with a black person creates more inherent risk..

You are literally stating 2 different things to prove your point Nobody is suggesting that there race is inherently inferior. Just there is some current issue correlated to a race.

But you're still justifying treating black people differently just because black people commit more crimes than white people. You can't just treat ALL of them differently just because of that. You're judging people based on their race, which is textbook racism. Explain to me how that isn't racism...

"Trump can't be racist, because that would make me racist, and I don't like that!"

In a nutshell.

Because there is real world increased risk treating them the same. Which is a different reason to treat them than assuming their race is inherently flawed.

Nuance... one is racism... one is population differences that correlated based on race.

So...you are actually admitting that black people should be treated differently purely because of the color of their skin?

@Tigerman950: yeah. This kid is racist af

@Nuck81: @Tigerman950: You guys aren't getting it. It's not racism, it's STATISTICS!

:-P

@mattbbpl said:

This section really is the new System Wars.

Are people starting to care now? I'm sure he's not the first American president to be a racist, if he is.

This.

I mean.. you proved my point. You can take two cultures and compare them.. and someone will call you a racist because they are not only correlated to race but also relative behavior. And if you use indicators to discriminate against that behavior you ultimately discriminate against race.

And Norway is probably objectively better place than all those shitholes he compared them too. I mean the American left loves the Nordic countries, because they are the only successful welfare states. Probably has something to do with culture...

@waahahah: You've proved the only point needed, which Tigerman950 nailed: you're a racist and don't even realize it.

No I'm not suggesting its ok to do this. I'm just saying its not racist.

I think we are going round in circles because you refuse to let go of an incorrect definition of racism. Racial discrimintion =/= racism. Racial discrimintion is a way that racism manifests itself. But racism itself is the belief that a race in totality is inferior.

One of the differences between racism and racial discrimination, if its based on real world population differences your likely going to discriminate even if you don't intend to. Or the differences in populate can change over time, today blacks disproportionally commit more crime. A long time ago it was the Irish, which were heavily discriminated against.

I'm still trying to convince myself that you're a troll, but it's proving much more difficult than I thought. But on the slight chance that you aren't...

Racial discrimination is a form of racism, period. Saying that this isn't racism, IS racist, period. Saying that any race should be treated unfairly is racist, period.

If I were you, I wouldn't just deflect everyone calling you a racist. When you go to bed tonight, at least consider the possibility that you just might be a racist, and that your misinformation is preventing you from seeing that. If most people are saying you're a racist, even people like me who are far from liberal...chance are, you are a racist. And in your case, I'm more than 100% that that's the case. Assuming, of course, you aren't a troll.

I think your the racist.

I literally said what someone would do if you compared rap culture with geek culture. They'd read into it racism. You know why that happens? Because you believe rap is a criminal culture. Which isn't what I said, I said it celebrates gang culture.

There is overlap with criminality sure, but that doesn't mean rap is the "worst" of their culture. Even if it celebrates gang culture. I mean a lot of rock celebrates drug culture. That's predominantly white. Should we assume any one that enjoys rock also is a heroine addict? What about enjoy pervy 80s music. Do they all want to sleep with 16 year old girls?

@waahahah: *you're

Racial discrimination is not a form of racism.

There is a distinct difference from a belief (racism) and acts. Discrimination can happen because of wrong prejudice's, or actual statistical differences in local population pools. And if there are differences in population pools you can even end up with unintended racial discrimination.

Ok, do you think affirmative action is ok? Its selectivity is pushing for under represented sexes/races in specific places in society. Which requires... discriminating against the majarority (statistically speaking). Is that racism since its discriminatory against whites? Is it sexist because it discriminates against males?

Should someone tell the united states they have laws on the books that treat races unfairly and that they are racist? Or maybe they understand the difference between discrimination and racism. Racism doesn't always manifist in racial discrimination, and discrimination isn't always a manifest of hate or prejudice.

edit: Or what about white cops and black communities. If there is evidence that a white cops might treat them worse from a black cop... should we tell them to shut up and stop being racist? Cops are cops and they should be treated like individuals? Their fear of white cops is irrational because its only a skin color, and their not all bigots?

We can argue semantics all you want, but if you don't think racial discrimination is racism (unlike 99% of the population) it really doesn't matter. Racial discrimination is horrible regardless. Again...can't believe I'm having to say this in 2019.

And for the record, now that you bring up affirmative action, let me just say that I'm not OK with that either. I agree that racism towards whites also exists and it is largely ignored and even accepted by society. AA makes it harder for certain races (including Asians like myself) to get accepted into colleges or get certain jobs than other races. That's all true.

But there's absolutely no excuse for you to discriminate against blacks. Since you've openly admitted that you believe doing so is OK, you'd might as well admit the truth: you're a racist, end of story. I'm willing to bet even most Trump supporters would agree that you're a racist. Let that sink in.

No, you literally said this:

"Case in point. Rap culture vs Geek culture. These are going to be looked at differently regardless of race. Rap culture is celebrates gang culture while geek culture produces software engineers and shit like facebook. But I guarantee if I talk to any one about which is better they'll call me a racist because they can infer "black culture vs white culture" because of how highly correlated those cultures are to race".

You didn't compare rap culture with geek culture, you compared the worst of what rap culture represents with the best of what geek culture produces, and then you cried foul when called on it, attempting to shift the claim of racism back on the one who called you out. You, not me, immediately made negative associations in comparison with positive ones borne of and defined by cultural distinction, both which lay contingent upon the races of the constituents of the culture that's created and has propagated them.

Honestly, what did you expect? Do you really find it all that surprising in doing so that people would suspect your motivation to claim one superior over another in such method to be racially driven? You can debate what's better without demeaning something y'know. If what you say is indeed true and you're not a racist, then you are still very naive.

Unequivocally, yes. The man that congratulates nazis, downplays the growth of the extreme right and white nationalism (for which he was mentioned in the manifesto related to the terrorist attack), and as many times as he can encourages and whips up xenophobia against latin american immigrants and islam, is a racist.

I never admitted that its ok. I said its a reason to discriminate (implied different to racism). You've been trying to corner me on that... And I don't discriminate against blacks people.

I might be arguing over semantics, but those semantics are important. Because there is differences in how discrimination happens, and calling someone a racist is implying that person either hates or believes a race is inherently inferior, and their discrimination is motivated to oppress. Because that's what racism essentially is. But discrimination can happen for other reasons. So calling any one that racially discrimination a racist doesn't seem to be correct, because your implying a specific motivation to the discrimination.

I think its important to make a distinction to someone like trump... that at the time where black crime was skyrocketing in New York, race relations were.. bad, white people were more wealthy... any data driven decision making would always result in... prioritize white people over black people. There is nothing that trump has done that really I can see is racist. There has definitely been racial discrimination but there is little evidence to suggest that race is the inherent problem.

And I understand that distinction. Its the same distinction I make for affirmative action. I don't find either practice good... but they aren't inherently "bad". They aren't being manifested from hate or an irrational belief about a race. They are using population distributions to either minimize risk or help under privileged people. Is that racism that those races are seen as under privilged or is that just a statistical reality that you people should consider?

I don't agree with lowering any standards. But I do agree that a % of applicants from underprivileged communities should get prioritezed when selection happens to potentially help those communities.

You've posted many many comments justifying racial discrimination. You admitted that you yourself would discriminate against black applicants if you were a landlord. You admitted that you'd listen to racist white people who don't want a man living in their building because he's black.

If you're not racist, then literally nobody is.

People say racist things all the time but it doesn't make them racist. But people like Trump are legitimate racist. It is one thing to be a hater, but a whole other level spreading hate.

He became president, he could have done anything with his power, but he chose to be a habitual liar, spread massive hate, and encourage crimes.

@saltslasher: Truth. Not to mention there was a mountain of evidence years before he even ran for president to indicate that he was racist. And that was way before the age of political correctness and SJWs.

Nah trumps not a racist, only color he sees is green

*and proud of it*

It was both he and his father. And if you refuse to rent to a minority for ANY building that is racism and discrimination and illegal. None of those qualities belong in a president.

He's racist because they were exonerated and he kept on screaming they were guilty. Also the EVIDENCE exonerated them. Not like it was a conclusion anyone formed.

Do the words ON BOTH SIDES mean anything to you? That includes white nationalists that were spewing hate.

Semantics. And saying they aren't the best is also racist.....but then you are showing those same opinions in this thread so I don't think you'll see it.

And for the record his claims about Obama's birth are due to racism as well. First minority president.........can't be American.

A racist is when somebody on the right disagrees with anything you believe in.

Ah an apologist that passive aggressively defends racism by saying it can't exist.....it's just differing opinions. This is why racism, sexism, hate are doing so well in the US. Refusal to call it what it is.

Racism is lower than it's ever been. Nobody said it doesn't exist. You people just like to attach it to everything when you're mad.

Denying people housing based on skin color is racism. I can't believe we're even having this conversation. Donald Trump doesn't need to be burn a cross every night on the White House lawn to be labeled racist.

Or when someone literally says you can't do something because of the color of your skin.

I didn't suggest anything bad about rap culture. All I said is it celebrates gang culture. Which it does. You inferred that means the "worst of rap culture". Which basically means you think rap culture is awful. Your also assuming black vs white culture because of the correlation.

It was an analogy of how two cultures if compared would result in a racist idiot claiming racism because *they* correlate rap culture to black culture and geek culture to white culture... and presume the negative stereotype of rap culture. Thank you for basically proving my point.

I'm not "justifying" anything.

I'm suggesting that there is different reasoning between racism originated racial discrimination and using statistics that end up racially discriminating… because communities are not equal. Again see affirmative action. They are distinctly different motivations for discrimination.

This is the reason why the left is going bat shit crazy. They infer belief based on act regardless of the circumstance that caused those acts. Oh something disproportionally affects Mexicans crossing the border, must be RACISM... Clearly we are letting all the white people through on the southern border! And we have equal drug problems as well as moose riding Canadians mass migrating to America escape free health care.

This is not based on facts or the investigation.

He's racist because they were exonerated and he kept on screaming they were guilty. Also the EVIDENCE exonerated them. Not like it was a conclusion anyone formed.

No one ever ignores facts of an investigation...

Do the words ON BOTH SIDES mean anything to you? That includes white nationalists that were spewing hate.

Yah, and its true that there were good people on both sides... and bad. Which he stated, and condemned hate and white nationalist explicitly. Again you don't seem to like facts... or nuance

Semantics. And saying they aren't the best is also racist.....but then you are showing those same opinions in this thread so I don't think you'll see it.

Racism is a belief, its not an act. Trying to suggest that an act is proof of that belief while ignoring other reasons to behave that way is inaccurate at best, and a slander at worst.

And for the record his claims about Obama's birth are due to racism as well. First minority president.........can't be American.

You clearly are invested in him being a racist. And see everything through that lens.

Yes, it is why he got elected.

It doesn't matter if you use statistics or not. No matter what your basis is, racial discrimination is racial discrimination. That doesn't make it OK. Just accept the fact that you have racial prejudices (which is part of the definition of being a racist) and that no statistics or logic justify or excuse that.

What am I reading here. You're doing a horrible job of defending Trump's past racism.

Public perception has nothing to do with DNA exoneration and the real rapist coming forward.

@undefined: for sure, but everyone is a little bit racist. Me included. The difference is what level of racism, there's no such thing as one or the other but it's a graduation on a line. If I were to rate tump from 0-10, where 0 is not at all racist and 10 is a KKK member, he'd probably be around a 7. I would rate myself a 4 on the racist scale.

Of course he is.

Trump supporters in this thread: Trump isn't a racist and neither are we! Now, listen to all this racist shit we have to say!

Pretty much an accurate synopsis of the thread..........

@waahahah: No you're clearly invested in his not being considered racist since you share similar opinions. DNA is NOT opinion. Refusing to rent based on race is illegal....and racist. And no amount of you screaming otherwise changes that.

You 100% suggested negativity towards rap culture by stating it largely celebrates gang culture, as that holds nothing but negative connotations. Most people when they hear the words "gang culture" I assure you aren't thinking positive things. It is an implication, you don't need to explicitly state it. When are you going to take responsibility for your own statements instead of trying to shift the blame on those who take them to their natural conclusion? You want to have your cake and eat it too. Sorry, but no.

Yours was a flawed and bigoted analogy precisely because it was a correlation predicated upon a false equivalency. Try to dodge and cower behind semantics all you wish; it was *you* who were the one that initially correlated rap culture and the worst of what it represents to the black community while doing the opposite for geek culture to only the best, and then absurdly stated that someone's jumping to a prejudiced presumption of something YOU SAID. This is the thing with Trump and many of his supporters. You continually try to hide behind subtlety, nuance, implication, insinuation, and passive aggressiveness as cowards typically do. Then when someone sees right through your transparent bullshit, you try to flip it and claim them the bad guy who's doing exactly what you are, then you shit all over the chess board and try to fly away proclaiming victory.

But hey, you support Trump who chronically blames everyone else for his faults, so what you're doing is no surprise whatsoever. Monkey see, monkey do.

Your ignoring facts. Its called confirmation bias. People ignore facts all the time.

Like the fact that the investigation into the Donald owned apartments routing blacks to different Donald owned apartments, completely refutes your claim that all trump apartments discriminated.

Not to mention evidence that suggested that whites in those mixed apartments avoided the black people.

Or the fact that trump didn't label white nationalist and nazi's as good people, your ignoring what was said on purpose to confirm your bigotry.

I don't support trump. I just see racism as an accusation of a particular belief. Calling me a racist because of that makes you a bigot.

Using data to discriminate is distinctly different than using a unfounded belief.

The fact is people still discriminate using characteristics that statistically correlate.

https://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/5/prweb8503917.htm

Asian 1945/yr

white 2193/yr

black 2910/yr

"African-Americans, on average, tend to have lower credit scores and live in more dangerous neighborhoods than Asians and Caucasians. They also get married less and have higher divorce rates. In addition, unemployment rates are higher in the African-American community. While insurance companies do not intentionally charge black people more for car insurance, African-Americans do, on average pay more for auto insurance than whites and Asians."

Basically:

"Just because your black we won't charge you more... but we charge blacks more because on average they have worse behavior and are worse off."

The problem with the way you guys view the world is it just ignores reality. If black people are worse off in nearly every metric... there is no good reason to every entertain their application to rent housing. Probability suggests its a waste of time, and long term high risk. Its good business sense to discriminate against unwanted communities forming and destroying the value of your property as "white flight" happens.

You guys are trying to equate believing that a race is inferior to having statistics that correlate a particular race to particularly unwanted culture, and the only indicator of that culture happens to be that correlation to race. Only the former is arguing that the behavior is intrinsically part of race, the other is being selective for good reasons just using poor indicators.

Public perception has nothing to do with DNA exoneration and the real rapist coming forward.

Except if people don't believe or ignore the evidence. That happens all the time. How is this racist?

Like how even when confronted with video evidence that lays out trump was correct in his assessment of both sides... it gets ignored and people continually push misinformation about trump.