Leaked Supreme Court opinion shows conservative majority set to overturn Roe v Wade

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/supreme-court-has-voted-to-overturn-abortion-rights-draft-opinion-shows/ar-AAWR4Ol?ocid=uxbndlbing

Title says it all. They've had the vote for a while but curious why they chose this now. I assumed in past it was mostly for political consideration and that the conservatives on the high court not wanting to make a decision that would sway elections against the GOP.

I recall the other day they were analyzing polling favoring GOP in February but that went back in favor of Democrats recently, and much of that is attributed to public view that the GOP has gone too full blown crazy. To boot, the Jan 6th Congressional investigation is having 8 public hearings and will be concluding and laying everything they have out to the public sometime in June. No doubt that too will hurt Republicans severely.

My guess is Republicans no longer see overturning Roe v Wade as being a tipping point for upcoming elections since it appears conservatives could potentially be in a bad position and so there's no harm in doing it now. That and/or potentially the moves Republicans are making in state/local government to restrict voting access and gerrymandering districts may be able to overcome public sentiment.

Very dumb,

• Study shows an abortion ban may lead to a 21% increase in pregnancy-related deaths | Colorado Arts and Sciences Magazine | University of Colorado Boulder
• Zara Ahmed: Abortion rates don't drop when the procedure is outlawed. But it does make it more dangerous. (nbcnews.com) (The actual study in that link: Unintended pregnancy and abortion by income, region, and the legal status of abortion: estimates from a comprehensive model for 1990-2019 | Guttmacher Institute.)
• Lack of access to safe, timely, affordable and respectful abortion care is a critical public health and human rights issue.

And very unpopular,

Poll: Most Americans oppose overturning Roe v. Wade, split on new abortion restrictions | Wisconsin Public Radio (wpr.org)

Among respondents to the poll who had an opinion on Roe v. Wade, 28 percent favored overturning the decision and 72 percent opposed it.

@lamprey263: lol what polls are you talking About? Democrats are expected to get slaughtered in every poll I've seen.

Do you admit for the specific issue that the thread is actually about, a significant majority of Americans side with Democrats?

This shit is crazy, and it's not gonna stop here. I fear to think all the civil rights we took for granted the past 50-60 years will end up on the chopping block eventually. We're accelerating towards a faux-theocracy that has nothing to do with any sort of god, but as a catch-all for establishing nationalist authoritarianism. Scary days ahead

Remember, it's also primarily the GOP preventing major marijuana legalization as well. The odd stuff is things like Roe and Weed are 70%+ polling topics away from the GOP. Minority rule is weird.

Freedoms for me but not for thee.

Worst part, Republicans or most Americans didn't even give a shit about abortions until they were told to. Like a cult.

‘Historical accident’: how abortion came to focus white, evangelical anger | Abortion | The Guardian

Also,

Norma McCorvey, the “Jane Roe” at the center of Roe v. Wade, explained - Vox

Oof, what a scam.

Depends. I don't think abortion should be banned outright however I don't think taxpayers should pay for them either.

Some certain righties on this forum are giddy about this...

There's some rumors contraceptives might be next.

Griswold v. Connecticut :: 381 U.S. 479 (1965) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

Hope not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/01/poll-biden-post-abc/

In the last few months the Republicans went from a 10% lead over Democrats with registered voters to being 1% behind in this recent one. Of course the way Congressional maps are gerrymandered, and GOP throwing everything at voter suppression measures, Democrats will need larger leads to keep or gain anything in House and Senate, that's often not likely in midterms for the party that controls the executive branch. But the direction in poling has shifted with registered voters, and no doubt this major SCOTUS decision could potential add to that shifting momentum, and no doubt the Jan 6th Congressional Committe's final hearings and their planned conclusion when that happens in June could be another significant variable that will significantly stain the GOP ahead of elections. Also, I think seeing how the Ukraine situation turns out in coming months could also be to Biden's benefit politically at home, by contrast the GOP lets their love of Putin be expressed through the occasional freudian slip. But yeah, again, Republicans lost a 10 point lead over Democrats in last few months with registered voters. You'd be right though, all poling these last few months said otherwise.

Not sure why, aside from owning libs for a moment, this will likely come to bite them in the ass at the polls.

Can someone explain what roe vs wade is exactly? Will overturning it make abortions illegal across the country or just give individual states the freedom to choose?

I'm not really a fan of abortions as I said. They should be made illegal. If you don't want the baby, the best choice is to give it up for adoption.

Unfortunate that there was a leak, and even more unfortunate if it's true.

When Trump is locked up for treason, all 3 of his SC people should be kicked out as illegitimate.

Like they give a damn.

https://groovyhistory.com/interracial-marriage-illegal-loving-v-virginia

solid read and why at times we need fed laws that trump. a gov power grab or fringe etc stuff.

hell a grey zone still on porn thru the mail. yes it still a thing...

oh and in almost ever state they have butt sex laws on...

Nothing surprises me in the US anymore.

That's a staggeringly bad idea.

My sympathy goes out to every woman in the US right now.

This was inevitable, my condolenses to every woman in the US :(

You know neither of those things are going to happen, right? You can scream at the sky all you want, but you know he's not getting "locked up for treason."

Dave Rubin gonna make a surprised Pikachu face when they also ban gay marriage.

Not with that attitude.

Hm, it seems like Roe v Wade is also one of the foundational cases for privacy law in the US.

I wonder if overturning the case will also overturn a huge range of other privacy protections.

Correct, many rights relied on the right to privacy interpretion, that was effectively secured by Roe vs Wade.

You didnt answer his question. He asked you about the public opinion, not your opinion.

Also, ever heard of the hyde amendment?

A majority of Americans at one point supported slavery. Majority rules isn't always a good thing.

Roe vs Wade being overturned doesn't end abortion, but it does give the power back to the states to decide parameters.

What it will do if it's highly unpopular is elect more Democrats and become codified in law by the US Congress.

This is terrible and does not bode well for the future.

But you know what? **** it, right? While we're at it let's make gays illegal, you know? Let's make this country as backwards as Iran and Saudi Arabia and the Taliban.

Yeah yeah slippery slope fallacy but I mean that's the direction we will be heading if decisions like this become the norm.

To the first part, yes, it essentially says the federal government should have no say, and it should left up to individual states.

To the second part...really? That's asking a lot of people in the best case scenario, and in the worst case scenario you're asking pregnant women to carry a baby to term that's a product of incestuous rape that might kill them via complications.

Pro-choice is the only logical and diplomatic solution. People need to set aside their personal beliefs and accept that having access to abortion is the only pragmatic solution here, and a very necessary one. If you don't like abortion, fine, don't get one; but live with the fact that some people need them.

I've never met anyone that actually likes abortion. Chances are you know at least a few women that have had one, and they don't like to speak of it due to the trauma and the stigma. It's not a pleasant experience. But it needs to be available because the alternative is just so much worse.

As for why we can't leave it up to the states, well, what if you live in Alaska and need an abortion and you can't get one there? You supposed to fly to Washington or Oregon? What do your tell your boss? Your health insurance? YOur family? How do you pay for it?

It was an inevitability once ABC was placed on the court, now it's stacked with Christian fundamentalists and they've achieved their goal. A sad state considering that 26 states have trigger laws to outlaw it immediately on the spot. And those states are exactly the ones you'd think. The SC has been losing creditability since McConnell blocked Obama's nominees back in his 2nd term, and this seems like a final nail in that coffin. Roberts is no longer the chief justice it seems, ceding authority to Alito and Thomas at this point.

Worse, the draft explicitly criticizes related cases in anti-sodomy laws and gay marriage equality. It's almost like EVERYONE saying that conservatives weren't 'A OK' with the status quo were right. They will come from homosexuals next, guaranteed. This is exactly why the American right isn't equipped to govern. They are explicit in their intent to govern theocratically and should be labeled as the zealots they truly are.

Contraception is also on the chopping block too. Just you wait and see. Same realm and reasoning which was just struck down. Basically, if a state can outlaw it, so be it.

remember ladies.

you are a baby maker, nothing else.

Now the fugitives will be fleeing red states? How many states got laws ready to punish those who get abortion in another state?

Lots of people mad because they can't murder babies. Pretty sad.

Birthing person*, let's not assume gender...

:P

It'll be fun seeing red states put women and doctors on trial for murder. But not when their GOP reps are caught trying to get a secret one with their mistress.....no.....that's not the same.

That's a bit hyperbolic. Sometimes abortions are actually necessary to save the life of the mother. This will effectively be a death sentence to those women and it won't end abortion anyway. Abortion existed in the US pre Roe V Wade. It's more risky and once again can cause the death of the mother.

I'd like to know why settled law is getting a look by this court though. Smacks of politicization of the Supreme Court and that should be a major red flag.

@LJS9502_basic: it's no more hyperbolic than the leftists pretending roe vs wade being overturned and the power given back to the states and Congress to pass legislation as some sort of handmaid tales bs.

Most people support pro choice, most people also support restrictions on abortion. 2nd trimester and 3rd trimester for example. This is an ideological debate that will never end, because one side sees the life in the womb as an individual with its own DNA and own set of rights. At the same time don't like the idea of the state forcing someone to hold and birth a child.

I fall somewhere in the middle and I think most people do.

I've always wondered.. in cases where let's say a pregnant woman is attacked or pushed down a set of stairs and looses the "baby". The attacker can be charged with murder. But if what's inside does not count as a human life? How can such charges be brought forth?

Not all states are equal. Some things cannot be left to states when it comes to rights.

There is restrictions on when you can get an abortion. As for your last paragraph if the women is passed that term then I don't see why you cannot understand that. No one has been charged for causing a miscarriage as far as I've ever heard.

And then wonder why those who live there generally have worse life expectancy than their neighbouring states.

@LJS9502_basic: Terminating a pregnancy because the baby is going to die and take the mother with them is different than a normal run the mill abortion and you know that.

Also, miscarriages are treated differently and you know that as well unless you don’t have kids and are clueless.

Using abortion as a birth control is murdering a baby. Can’t talk your way out of it.

I can’t wait til abortion is illegal in multiple states and you children are burning down your own cities in protest.

I didn't use public opinion to show why this was bad, I cited studies and medical groups to address that before the poll. The poll was to address the politics and popularity of this.

• Study shows an abortion ban may lead to a 21% increase in pregnancy-related deaths | Colorado Arts and Sciences Magazine | University of Colorado Boulder
• Zara Ahmed: Abortion rates don't drop when the procedure is outlawed. But it does make it more dangerous. (nbcnews.com)
• Lack of access to safe, timely, affordable and respectful abortion care is a critical public health and human rights issue.

Most major medical groups disagree with you, and support abortion. I support medical experts.

It's not a baby, and most abortions are done before it's anything close to that. Also it only has negative side effects, as data show. When third world countries do this (since it's a low QOL 3rd world thing to do), it doesn't really help anyone.

You are only against this because of Republican disinformation campaigns that kicked this off in the 1970s'. You're brainwashed. Next to no one gave a shit about abortion before that. Even now it's 70% for Roe, showing just how weak that minority effort was.

Abortion in America: how it became a partisan issue - Vox

They are not babies, and it's not murder. You're using your religion to control other people's lives.

P.S. Are you also against contraceptives? That might get attacked next.

@Stevo_the_gamer: hey now don't be a bigot, men give birth too ya know

Please do pray tell how the government is going to discern between a miscarriage and illegal abortion? Can't wait to hear this explanation from the pro-rape baby crowd.

I believe Hillary Clinton once again has tweeted about this happening some years ago…

lol still on the culture wars nonsense no one really cares about nor really matters in a thread about an actual major issue.

@HoolaHoopMan: usually u get a D and C after a miscarriage.