Leaked Supreme Court opinion shows conservative majority set to overturn Roe v Wade

Then explain why a woman was arrested for a miscarriage.

Please elaborate how these distinctions would be made, including legal and operational procedures.

Also I find it funny for two years these Jesus freaks whined about not wanting to get vaccinated or wear masks and that despite the greater public health safety interest that personal freedom and choice was more important. The only consistency here is they basically stand against the public health and safety interest all the same. Seems their defining principle.

Yeah they got so many people (actual people, not a bunch of cells) killed during Covid. It's so bizarre. They don't care about life.

Really sucks, their stance on Covid and Abortions lowers this countries QOL and makes us more 3rd world.

Can also occur after an abortion.

wonder who leaked supreme court documents?

Different getting this information before the SC has even spoke on it.

Never has a leak like this occur, someone who saw the decision was probably flabbergasted.

@zaryia: yeah seems pretty wild to leak documents from the supreme court before they can even speak on it.. wonder who did it. I would guess it would have to be somebody on the inside.

@lamprey263: do you support abortion in the third trimester?

I also find it funny these Jesus freaks are so upset someone leaked it. Of course someone leaked it. It's a horrible decision. We saw this same reaction when Trump was president, there'd be some embarrassing new story almost daily and it wasn't like "OMG, Trump has two Big Macs for breakfast daily and his hair loss medication is making him sleepwalking at night and draw Hitler mustaches on the centuries old paintings in the White House", it was like "OMG, who is leaking this stuff". You know how ridiculous that sounds? Some perspective:

@lamprey263: no decision has been formally made, what was leaked is a draft that was unofficially announced that's in favor in overturning roe vs wade. There is nothing yet official.

And even if it is overturned, that doesn't get rid of abortion.. it just puts the issue back to Congress and the states, to make them figure out how to go about it. Which is what they should have done in the first place.

Remember when people stayed home in protest because their preferred Democratic candidate wasn't the nominee?

@LJS9502_basic: True but they can tell if you had an abortion during a D and C.

Also is that your defense for this? Some people may be able to hide breaking the law?

I corrected you.

This is going to affect/put more people into poverty. It's just the reality. Ultimately, the effect is going to be disproportionate, primarily on middle, low-middle, and poverty line individuals.

Legally, Roe v. Wade being overturned is just going to result in states mandating their own laws on it. Therefore, you may not be able to get an abortion in say Utah, but could get it done in California. Whether there is an out-of-state fee or something, well, it is what it is.

Oh ok, so you can't understand the question. Is that what you do is interject yourself into conversations, then when your statements are questioned you dodge and leave the thread?

Curious why these Jesus freaks were mum about separating undocumented immigrant parents and their children from each other and stick them in cages and burn the paper trail to ever reunite them just to be cruel. They care about children right?

You talking about Obama? He was the one that started that.

No. That's what most cons do here whenever I post studies and medical groups showing their position is objectively wrong. Like anti-abortion.

Or posting a history article showing for a fact their position is fabricated partisan politics. Like anti-abortion.

Both of which happened ITT. In fact, I think it was you, completely dodged my post citing that info.

It's only womb protection, after that yer' fucked lol.

Remember these are the same people who were very much against vaccines and masks. Or better healthcare. Untold deaths on them. Deaths of actual people, not just clumps of cells.

I feel like there's such a big aspect of "too bad, you should have thought about that before you had sex" going on with this debate as well.

the right likes to make it about personal responsibility as they like to see themselves as the shining beacons on morality and proper behavior. "oh, you had unprotected sex and are pregnant now? well, too bad! you should have thought about beforehand. nevermind potentially lifelong negative aspects for both parents and child that may arise from forcing gestation and birth, we want to look down our noses at your irresponsibility!"

"oh, and HOW DARE YOU try to raise my taxes to pay for increases in welfare for single mothers!"

You posted a popularity poll like it had merit and I called you out. I'm not a con btw. Your shill tactics don't work on me brah.

A hit and a miss. Sheev continues to dodge and lie,

You DODGED these links, which were ABOVE the poll. The poll was only mentioned, at the end of my post ,since the TC discussed popularity.

This kid acting like someone can't click Page 1 and see you just lied. 🤣 It's the internet, "brah", everything is recorded. You dodged facts that hurt your feelings.

@zaryia: i ignored it because it’s stupid. Who cares if people will go out of their way to break laws? You don’t build laws around that.

Do you have an actual argument or are you just googling sources and posting them in lieu of one?

"Because it's stupid".

Great counter to a study and major health organization showing your position is scientifically and objectively in the wrong. 🤦‍♂️

Where did you learn to debate, 4chan? Breitbart? We know you ignored it because you had no counter. It's called dodging, and then lying about my post twice proves you were being disingenuous.

The argument that abortion restrictions mostly results in negative health consequences, and no documented positives? Reducing HDI, and something akin to third world nations? I mean, did you not read? I made that argument and presented the data supporting it. Like an adult. Where is your counter citation? "Muh itz stoopid" isn't a counter.

P.S. My second argument, since no one countered the original, was that this is almost entirely political and tribal. Cult like brainwashing by the far right Evangelicals. This can be historically traced back,

Abortion in America: how it became a partisan issue - Vox

Abolishing Abortion: The History of the Pro-Life Movement in America | The American Historian (oah.org)

‘Historical accident’: how abortion came to focus white, evangelical anger | Abortion | The Guardian

A lot of hysteria, conspiracy theories, and melodrama from a group of people in desperate need of a civics class.

I'll explain, and SCOTUS judges have already explained this but certain people refuse to listen and push conspiracy theories about some great master plan.

Courts do not make law, they interpret laws as they are written, and enforce the constitution, that's it. It's not their job to ban this our outlaw that. If you want abortions made legal in all 50 states, there's a proper channel to do that, and it's called "congress." Since there is no federal law on the matter, the authority to write laws for or against falls to the states. Courts are not supposed to create legislation, make things legal, ban things, but too many people try to use courts to bypass the regular channels, which include elected representatives.

The correct thing to do would be to get rid of it, and if enough people want it to be law, then it's Congress's job to write a law, not SCOTUS'. For those of you who claim the majority of Americans want it?... Fine, the elections will reflect that, and it will be made into law. It's been 50 years since. The party who prides itself on "women's rights" including abortions have been in control of the White House and Congress simultaneously multiple times since and had no good reason not to make it a federal law, if that's what they really wanted. But what they really want is a wedge issue for election season, and that's why they haven't.

So instead of blaming the courts for actually doing their jobs, maybe you should be blaming congress for refusing to do theirs?

Niel Gorsuch disagrees with your wild opinions:

Neil Gorsuch: Roe v. Wade Is 'Law of The Land' - The Atlantic

“How could you square that statement with legal abortion?” Durbin asked him. “Senator, as the book explains, the Supreme Court of the United States has held in Roe v. Wade that a fetus is not a person for purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment, and the book explains that,” Gorsuch replied.

“Do you accept that?” Durbin asked. “That’s the law of the land,” Gorsuch answered. “I accept the law of the land, senator, yes.”

Looks like we have activist religious judges currently trying to change the law of the land.

Activist judges suck, trying to legislate from the bench. Ugh.

It's not the law of the land. Again, take a civics course. Congress writes laws of the land. And saying a fetus is or isn't a person is irrelevant to whether or not abortions are legal. Assuming you're going with the opinion that they are not, that still doesn't block a state from banning them.

Again, if you want a federal law banning states from outlawing the practice, you're going to have to go through the proper channels which is congress, and it seems to me like you're not very confident that congress is going to make that law.

Neil Gorsuch: Roe v. Wade Is 'Law of The Land' - The Atlantic

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You didn't even know how bills work in the TN thread. Calm down with these kind of statements.

You were spreading disinformation.

I ma curious. Where do you guys draw the line for acceptable abortions?

Rape? Incest? Should miscarriage be legal? What about ectopic pregnancy?

Nah fam. You're not counting actual abortions as a negative, so your data is flawed.

Where did you learn to debate, msnbc, or young turks?

Never happened.

Yes it did. You were 100% wrong on when a D&C is performed.

LOL destroyed.

Maybe he'll link more polls.

Point that out to me where I lied about it.

They don't have a coherent view. That would require foresight and intelligence.

I obliterated you ITT and you're now trolling by saying others are beating me. You have done this same thing before.

Eoten's own judges disagree with him, that's as embarrassing as it gets.

Prove the study I posted and WHO link is using flawed data with citation. I get you want this country to have a lower HDI and be like third world ones, but you have to provide the proof. I have even more studies if you want. What do you got?

Otherwise please take the L.

Pretty embarrassing to see the same conservative et al group flounder so badly in this thread.

My own judges? You really are at System Wars level of tribalism when it comes to politics, aren't you?

For as much as you people like to claim your democracy is under attack in all your melodramatic bleats, the democratic process that actually runs this country seems to scare the shit out of you people. If you're so sure people in Washington actually represent the citizens, and the majority of the country favors it, then you have nothing to worry about, do you?

You're the most far right poster here. You think the vaccines were fake due to your political ideology. You thought Joe stole the election. You think climate change is fake because of your political ideology. You subjectively believe right leaning SCOTUS decisions are correct, left leaning SCOTUS decisions are "activism". Even though legal experts have torn apart Alito's shitty activist opinion.Why wouldn't I use "your judges"?

You make SilentChief look liberal. Don't talk to me about tribal.

@Vaasman: lol

I used to be pro abortion but then I had a dream that I was a baby being aborted.

Now I'm against it.

The post I responded to you in. It wasn't that long ago and this thread isn't that long. Stop being dishonest.

You know damn well it isn't SCOTUS job to make law. So instead of whining to me about it thinking I'm going to give a shit one way or another, maybe you should be contacting your representatives and encouraging them to do their jobs and make it law? You do realize if congress made it law, it would remain as such? SCOTUS isn't plotting some mastermind scheme by kicking the issue back to congress where it belongs. It's quite literally their job to do so.

But as you said, the majority of Americans support it, and Congress is made up of majority of individuals who ran on keeping it as an issue, you shouldn't have any issues with it being made federal law then. Unless, you don't actually believe the system works the way you've been trying to convince everyone it does, or you don't think the majority of people support it like you try to convince everyone they do.

Can you point out where I lied please?

You're twisting things and making false conclusions. You didn't obliterate anyone. You posted links and then used appeal to authority with those links. That's not a debate. You don't have any of your own viewpoints, you just google the opposition and then shit all over the place.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.