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#51  Edited By Silentchief
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@LJS9502_basic said:
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You can literally restrict speech in a TOS. This is a battle that will continue to be fought as it should be. You can can ban hate speech in your TOS only to classify that as whatever you want.

Calls for violence is against Google's TOS. Truth Social refuses to moderate it. Actions have consequences. Deal with it and stop whining about it.

Yet it host apps for recruitment of groups thst actually commit violence. 🤔

Watching you bend the knee to your corporate oligarchs without question is amusing to say the least🤣

I don't give a crap about large corporations. But I don't like your style of authoritarianism either.

Oh really? Were you angry when the government stepped in and made restaurants serve everyone?

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@girlusocrazy said:
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You can literally restrict speech in a TOS.

That is them exercising their free speech. You can literally reject their services and are free to pick another or create your own.

That's not true though 🤣🤣🤣

Parlor tried to do that and Amazon removed them from their servers. Truth Social tried to do it and Google removed them from the app store. There is no creating your own when a hand full of companies own access to everything.

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#55  Edited By Silentchief
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@silentchief: This is them exercising their free speech. They are free to not host the app.

These companies do not dictate what people can access.

Truth Social is free to distribute its own app and also to have a web version anyone can access.

Amazon and Google can not block the Truth Social web site. They cannot block people from choosing a device that allows the user to install their own preferred app store, nor to install a Truth Social app.

Plenty of people install the Amazon app store themselves and download apps through Amazon. They install the Epic Store themselves and install games through the Epic Store. They install F-Droid and download apps through F-Droid.

Yes they can. They could absolutely block a website if they choose to or essentially regulate it to the dark web.

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@girlusocrazy: I'm not talking about you using those apps or not... I'm talking about those companies being protected from any competition due to other companies invested in them.

That's why those few companies will always be on top. Nobody will ever be able to build a competing platform. If Google, Amazon, apple won't host your platform you are competing with 2 arms tied behind your back.

What it really boils down to is that the idea of "don't like this platform, go make your own".

Can't work, because it needs approval of mega corps who don't want the competition.

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@girlusocrazy said:
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Yes they can. They could absolutely block a website if they choose to or essentially regulate it to the dark web.

How?

They can simply pull your domain.

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#61  Edited By SargentD
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@girlusocrazy: again you are still looking at it from an individual perspective. I'm talking about the overall tech market. It's not good that Google, Apple, Amazon, have so much power over new or emerging platforms. They are heavily invested in the existing platforms Facebook, Twitter, IG.

They pretty much get to decide how popular a platform is "allowed" to be. If they control the servers and store fronts..

You making the decision if you want to use those platforms addresses nothing I'm saying. We aren't talking about the same thing.

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#62  Edited By comp_atkins
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@silentchief said:
@girlusocrazy said:
@silentchief said:

You can literally restrict speech in a TOS.

That is them exercising their free speech. You can literally reject their services and are free to pick another or create your own.

That's not true though 🤣🤣🤣

Parlor tried to do that and Amazon removed them from their servers. Truth Social tried to do it and Google removed them from the app store. There is no creating your own when a hand full of companies own access to everything.

self-hosting is an option. amazon is not the only cloud provider in town.

as others have said, apps are available to download outside of app stores. are truth social users not smart enough to figure this out?

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#64  Edited By tjandmia
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@silentchief: Antifa a terrorist organization? 🤣

I bet the Nazis called the allies terrorists, too.

Sorry, dude, but Google is well within it's free speech rights to not host such disgusting ignorance and hatred. You're just going to have to deal with it.

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#65 SargentD
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@girlusocrazy: sigh... To each their own

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@comp_atkins said:
@silentchief said:
@girlusocrazy said:
@silentchief said:

You can literally restrict speech in a TOS.

That is them exercising their free speech. You can literally reject their services and are free to pick another or create your own.

That's not true though 🤣🤣🤣

Parlor tried to do that and Amazon removed them from their servers. Truth Social tried to do it and Google removed them from the app store. There is no creating your own when a hand full of companies own access to everything.

self-hosting is an option. amazon is not the only cloud provider in town.

as others have said, apps are available to download outside of app stores. are truth social users not smart enough to figure this out?

Yea because that's so easy and once Amazon pulls you so will every other major server provider.

I worked in the telecommunications insudustey for 5 years. The vast majority of users period will not figure that out.

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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I don't give a crap about large corporations. But I don't like your style of authoritarianism either.

Oh really? Were you angry when the government stepped in and made restaurants serve everyone?

Very poor analogy. Straw man etc. But expected from you.

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@silentchief: Google and Amazon can tell a registrar to pull your domain? I don't think so.

They can refuse to host it. At that point your basically considered the dark web.

An analogy of your argument is basically

A group of people want to visit the town but the town doesn't want them there so they blocked all roads to access the town. But the town isn't stopping them because that group could just build their own road.

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#70  Edited By Zaryia
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Nobody will ever be able to compete with Google, apple, Facebook, and Twitter calling the shots on whats accessible to the masses. If Google is invested in Facebook and Twitter... The play store will be used to keep competition out.

Yeah just follow the rules it's not hard.

Google is not obligated to put Storm Front 2.0 up in their Play Store. If they want to be put back, just clean up the cesspool. Hire more moderators you cheap babies.

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@zaryia said:
@sargentd said:

Nobody will ever be able to compete with Google, apple, Facebook, and Twitter calling the shots on whats accessible to the masses. If Google is invested in Facebook and Twitter... The play store will be used to keep competition out.

Yeah just follow the rules it's not hard.

Google is not obligated to put Storm Front 2.0 up in their Play Store. If they want to be put back, just clean up the cesspool. Hire more moderators you cheap babies.

LOL they won't be paid anyway.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I don't give a crap about large corporations. But I don't like your style of authoritarianism either.

Oh really? Were you angry when the government stepped in and made restaurants serve everyone?

Very poor analogy. Straw man etc. But expected from you.

Not at all. You are OK with authoritarian government intervention as long as you agree with it.

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@silentchief: Antifa a terrorist organization? 🤣

I bet the Nazis called the allies terrorists, too.

Sorry, dude, but Google is well within it's free speech rights to not host such disgusting ignorance and hatred. You're just going to have to deal with it.

They absolutely are. Burning down buildings and assaulting people wtf would you call it?

Comparing purple haired cat dads to the allied forces🤣🤣.

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@silentchief: Assaulting people? I could find hundreds of videos of maga morons punching people, crushing cops in revolving doors, beating them with metal puppies, dragging them as they're beating them. I'm not sure that's exactly terrorism, though.

Burning buildings? Demonstrate it. I can removalists maga morons shooting at FBI buildings.

Like the definition of socialism, you guys are really starting to stretch the definition of terrorist.

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@silentchief: So what? Plenty of options available. If Google and Amazon is part of the problem, stop advocating for Google and Amazon. Stop enabling them. Enable others and advocate for others. Other choices exist. Acting like they don't also contributes to the problem.

Anything outside of Amazon and Google is the dark web? I don't think so. You're saying Truth Social is the dark web. No, they're not blocked. You can go there right now. They can provide an APK right now.

But instead their plan is to, like you, act like Google is the only choice, and further enable Google.

It's myopic. It's self fulfilling. It's of their own choice and their own making.

As I said they have the opportunity right now to do something about it. But they would rather instead complain. Are they deciding this is more to their benefit, to get people upset rather than providing a solution? Is it easier to get people behind them if they have some sort of fake cause like this? Is it fake outrage or real stupidity?

I don't advocate for them I hate both of those companies. The issue is few other choices exist.

No truth Social is not the dark web as they have not pulled their domain. I'm saying they have the power to do so and other server providers will generally follow suite.

I agree their should be more choices and companies should try to create those other alternatives. But the barrier to get involved in that is extremely high.

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@silentchief: Assaulting people? I could find hundreds of videos of maga morons punching people, crushing cops in revolving doors, beating them with metal puppies, dragging them as they're beating them. I'm not sure that's exactly terrorism, though.

Burning buildings? Demonstrate it. I can removalists maga morons shooting at FBI buildings.

Like the writers socialism, you guys are really starting to stretch the definition of terrorist.

Yea and it would all be during one event. While Antifa did it on a regular basis for about 5 years.

Nice whataboutism but the difference is none of those groups have recruitment apps.

Well I'm just following your definitions. I mean you did the same for groups like the proud boys so I'm going by your definitions.

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@silentchief: One event? People were assaulted at hundreds of his "rallies".

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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Very poor analogy. Straw man etc. But expected from you.

Not at all. You are OK with authoritarian government intervention as long as you agree with it.

Google's decision is not government intervention. Your analogy fails. Again.

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It is baffling so many people have such naive views on free speech.

Free speech is far from a simple black and white issue. While one can argue that google does not adhere to the principles of free speech, actual free speech laws give them the right to do this, and to take away google's right to moderate their own content, would actually take away their freedom of speech and association.

Civics courses are useful, and by civics courses I do not mean morons on YouTube.

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#82 Silentchief
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Very poor analogy. Straw man etc. But expected from you.

Not at all. You are OK with authoritarian government intervention as long as you agree with it.

Google's decision is not government intervention. Your analogy fails. Again.

Looks like you fail again.

My analogy is to compare government intervention of Google and other ( multi billion dollar companies). You are not for that as you consider that authoritarianism. But you are ok when the government intervenes in cases of making restaurants serve everyone. So when is it ok again?

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@silentchief: One event? People were assaulted at hundreds of his "rallies".

Most the time it was people being dragged out by security. If your referring to his rallies.

They weren't calling for police to be murdered.

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#84 LJS9502_basic
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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Google's decision is not government intervention. Your analogy fails. Again.

Looks like you fail again.

My analogy is to compare government intervention of Google and other ( multi billion dollar companies). You are not for that as you consider that authoritarianism. But you are ok when the government intervenes in cases of making restaurants serve everyone. So when is it ok again?

You haven't shown that. Google doesn't want to apps that call for violence. They've told Truth Social to moderate accounts. TS doesn't. Google doesn't have app. Nothing there is government. You're showing fascist tendencies forcing it.

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@silentchief: They call for men, women, and children to be murdered on truth social. No wonder why the app is banned

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@silentchief: They call for men, women, and children to be murdered on truth social. No wonder why the app is banned

He won't admit the site is the problem.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@tjandmia said:

@silentchief: They call for men, women, and children to be murdered on truth social. No wonder why the app is banned

He won't admit the site is the problem.

It may be a problem. Not sure I don't use it. Regardless i have no proof that those things were said. What is the standard for moderation? Is it simply acts of violence? Or does it move into misinformation? Which is where we can get an extreme level of bias.

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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

He won't admit the site is the problem.

It may be a problem. Not sure I don't use it. Regardless i have no proof that those things were said. What is the standard for moderation? Is it simply acts of violence? Or does it move into misinformation? Which is where we can get an extreme level of bias.

There is no moderation. That's the problem. The site breeds violent calls for action. Google doesn't want associated with that. That's their right. If something happens they could be held accountable.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

He won't admit the site is the problem.

It may be a problem. Not sure I don't use it. Regardless i have no proof that those things were said. What is the standard for moderation? Is it simply acts of violence? Or does it move into misinformation? Which is where we can get an extreme level of bias.

There is no moderation. That's the problem. The site breeds violent calls for action. Google doesn't want associated with that. That's their right. If something happens they could be held accountable.

No I mean googles standard for moderation. What is it?

And that's absolute bullshit. The app would be held accountable not Google.

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@silentchief said:
@comp_atkins said:
@silentchief said:
@girlusocrazy said:
@silentchief said:

You can literally restrict speech in a TOS.

That is them exercising their free speech. You can literally reject their services and are free to pick another or create your own.

That's not true though 🤣🤣🤣

Parlor tried to do that and Amazon removed them from their servers. Truth Social tried to do it and Google removed them from the app store. There is no creating your own when a hand full of companies own access to everything.

self-hosting is an option. amazon is not the only cloud provider in town.

as others have said, apps are available to download outside of app stores. are truth social users not smart enough to figure this out?

Yea because that's so easy and once Amazon pulls you so will every other major server provider.

I worked in the telecommunications insudustey for 5 years. The vast majority of users period will not figure that out.

again, self-hosting is an option. welcome to the internet pre 2009 before AWS was a thing. the whole point of the internet was that anyone with a computer running the correct protocols can host a site.


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@girlusocrazy said:

@silentchief: Google and Amazon can tell a registrar to pull your domain? I don't think so.

They can refuse to host it. At that point your basically considered the dark web.

An analogy of your argument is basically

A group of people want to visit the town but the town doesn't want them there so they blocked all roads to access the town. But the town isn't stopping them because that group could just build their own road.

that's not how the internet works. google doesn't control routing of packets around. as long as your self-hosted site is routable, traffic can get to it.

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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

There is no moderation. That's the problem. The site breeds violent calls for action. Google doesn't want associated with that. That's their right. If something happens they could be held accountable.

No I mean googles standard for moderation. What is it?

And that's absolute bullshit. The app would be held accountable not Google.

Not calls for violence.

Civilly they can lose a lawsuit.

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@comp_atkins: Exactly. In addition there is even hosting abroad.

If 4chan and 8kun can find a way so can Truth Social.

There have been talks to remove both 4chan and 8chan.

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@silentchief said:
@girlusocrazy said:

@comp_atkins: Exactly. In addition there is even hosting abroad.

If 4chan and 8kun can find a way so can Truth Social.

There have been talks to remove both 4chan and 8chan.

Remove from what? They're independently hosted sites with no official apps. And who's talking about it? THE MAN?

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

There is no moderation. That's the problem. The site breeds violent calls for action. Google doesn't want associated with that. That's their right. If something happens they could be held accountable.

No I mean googles standard for moderation. What is it?

And that's absolute bullshit. The app would be held accountable not Google.

Not calls for violence.

Civilly they can lose a lawsuit.

Oh please. They would never lose that law suite. The liability would be on Truth Social.

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#98 LJS9502_basic
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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Not calls for violence.

Civilly they can lose a lawsuit.

Oh please. They would never lose that law suite. The liability would be on Truth Social.

You've never been on a jury have you? Jurors don't understand laws. Jurors don't follow laws. You're just trying to hide.

No one should be forced to carry content they disagree with. PERIOD. That's authoritarian thinking. Which is, of course, the MAGA GOP. Are you a member? Sure is sounding authoritarian to me.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Not calls for violence.

Civilly they can lose a lawsuit.

Oh please. They would never lose that law suite. The liability would be on Truth Social.

You've never been on a jury have you? Jurors don't understand laws. Jurors don't follow laws. You're just trying to hide.

No one should be forced to carry content they disagree with. PERIOD. That's authoritarian thinking. Which is, of course, the MAGA GOP. Are you a member? Sure is sounding authoritarian to me.

It would never go to court as the judges that do understand laws would throw the case out. The left is far more authoritarian in the US at this point.

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@silentchief said:
@girlusocrazy said:

@comp_atkins: Exactly. In addition there is even hosting abroad.

If 4chan and 8kun can find a way so can Truth Social.

There have been talks to remove both 4chan and 8chan.

Remove from what? They're independently hosted sites with no official apps. And who's talking about it? THE MAN?

Mostly dumb ass politicians. Because they are privately hosted the conversation moved to censoring and tracking users.

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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

You've never been on a jury have you? Jurors don't understand laws. Jurors don't follow laws. You're just trying to hide.

No one should be forced to carry content they disagree with. PERIOD. That's authoritarian thinking. Which is, of course, the MAGA GOP. Are you a member? Sure is sounding authoritarian to me.

It would never go to court as the judges that do understand laws would throw the case out.

You're guessing. Companies have a right to protect their product.