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The Trump Administration just started a push for the decriminalization of homosexuality worldwide, with a big focus on nations like Iran where you can still be executed for being gay. The effort is being spearheaded by U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, who is openly gay.

In an opinion article, Out writer Matthew Rodriguez states that the move by the Trump Administration has absolutely nothing to do with the administration trying to defend LGBT rights, with him bring up examples such as the ban on transgender troops in the US military as to why they aren’t a friend to the LGBT community. The tweet above was quickly ratioed with comments from both supporters and enemies of the Trump administration over their opposition to the move.

Overall, after bringing up the 2016 Pulse shooting in a gay nightclub where 49 people were murdered by a man that swore allegiance to ISIS prior to the shooting, he appears to imply that the real reason Trump wants to push to decriminalize homosexuality isn’t for the benefit of homosexuals, but because it is a way he can make Muslims that live in countries like Iran that murder homosexuals look bad. Like the fact that they murder homosexuals in itself doesn’t make them look bad enough…

Regardless of how you feel about the Trump Administration, do you think it is a good thing that they are pushing for this, or should they leave those other countries alone and let them enforce their laws as they seem fit? Would it matter if it was Trump doing the push or if it was a Democratic president?

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#2  Edited By comp_atkins
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i'm confused how this would be anything but a good thing. how exactly is racism getting pulled in here?

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#3 Sevenizz
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Ridiculous. Trump has always been pro gay. He’s the first PotUS to support gay marriage before taking oath. I don’t know what happened to the Left. They’ve gone insane.

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#4 Sevenizz
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@comp_atkins: ‘Orange man bad’

Dems have to find something negative every time Trump does or says anything. Racism is an NPC talking point so they just blurt that out willy nilly.

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#5 ad1x2
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@comp_atkins said:

i'm confused how this would be anything but a good thing. how exactly is racism getting pulled in here?

The author of the article cited the Pulse shooting and Trump’s use of the shooting to push his eventual travel ban as a reason why it’s secretly racist.

In other words, instead of being used simply to protect the LGBT community overseas, it will be used as a way for people “racist” against Muslims to hurt Muslims in countries that openly abuse homosexuals by portraying them as abusive to homosexuals. Try saying that three times fast.

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#6  Edited By Sevenizz
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@ad1x2: Muslims aren’t a race, you realize.

Also, there is a problem with muslims and homosexuality. Even western muslims.

https://youtu.be/xQcSvBsU-FM

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@comp_atkins said:

i'm confused how this would be anything but a good thing. how exactly is racism getting pulled in here?

You could read the article if you want to better understand the point. In short, the author argues this move is mostly an effort to get other countries to put sanctions on Iran.

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@Sevenizz said:

Ridiculous. Trump has always been pro gay. He’s the first PotUS to support gay marriage before taking oath. I don’t know what happened to the Left. They’ve gone insane.

HAHAHA, I can't help but laugh when people on the right say "the left has gone insane." Man, that is rich!

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#9 Sevenizz
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@Lach0121: Yet it’s not ‘rich’ to claim racism when championing gay rights under anti gay regimes?

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#10 VFighter
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@Lach0121: Yeah lol...minus the fact the left has gone full retard for awhile now. An actor faking an attack on himself, sending himself hate mail on top of it is really the icing on the dumbass lefts cake.

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#11  Edited By ad1x2
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@ad1x2: Muslims aren’t a race, you realize.

That’s why I put racist in parentheses.

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@vfighter: Lol, and keeping the noose around his neck when the cops arrive!

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#13  Edited By MirkoS77
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Before I can come anywhere close to acknowledging this as a furtherment of civil rights for the LGBT community and a credit to the Trump Administration, I would need to hear an explanation of the abundance of its moves so far that've done nothing for them but throw them back years in progress. Until then, I'll only suspect an ulterior motive and not even humor swallowing this at face value. You'd have to be unbelievably naive and gullible to take anything Trump or his administration does on superficial appearance alone.

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#14  Edited By Sevenizz
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@MirkoS77: ‘You'd have to be unbelievably naive and gullible to take anything Trump or his administration does on superficial appearance alone.’

Why not? Because the mainstream media doesn’t like him?

Tell me, how has Trump has put gay people years behind progress?

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#15 vl4d_l3nin
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How is AIDS an "epidemic"? So long as you don't share needles or have unprotected anal sex, your chances of getting it is effectively zero. It's also one of the most researched diseases on the planet.

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#16 Sevenizz
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@vl4d_l3nin: AIDS is still an epidemic in 3rd world continents like Africa. It’s not even a gay disease there but transmitted by heterosexuals. I believe 1 in 4 have a form of the disease in some African countries.

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#17  Edited By MirkoS77
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@Sevenizz said:

@MirkoS77: ‘You'd have to be unbelievably naive and gullible to take anything Trump or his administration does on superficial appearance alone.’

Why not? Because the mainstream media doesn’t like him?

Tell me, how has Trump has put gay people years behind progress?

Trump is a proven pathological liar and con man. This is irrefutable, his degree of deception and disregard for fact and reality is not comparable to any contemporary politician in modern era or far gone one, it's not comparable to anything at all really aside outright delusion, and you're nothing but a fool if you believe a single thing he says or does at face value, and simply because the media lies and holds its own agenda doesn't change that fact.

As for the second, did you read my link?

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#18  Edited By Sevenizz
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@MirkoS77: You pay too much attention to fake news. Lol ‘WP’.

Ok, buddy.

Also, what has Trump done to set gay people back as you brought up? (2nd time I’ve asked this question)

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@judaspete said:
@comp_atkins said:

i'm confused how this would be anything but a good thing. how exactly is racism getting pulled in here?

You could read the article if you want to better understand the point. In short, the author argues this move is mostly an effort to get other countries to put sanctions on Iran.

This, it’s literally the Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, insert Middle Eastern country policy all over again. Find a human rights issue, claim the targeted country is violating that human right, invade.

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#20  Edited By MirkoS77
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@Sevenizz said:

@MirkoS77: You pay too much attention to fake news. Lol ‘WP’.

Ok, buddy.

Also, what has Trump done to set gay people back as you brought up? (2nd time I’ve asked this question)

Look, I'm not even going to bother arguing that Trump lies, because anyone who lives in reality knows it. I'm not the one supporting those who laughably coin the term "alternative facts", you are.

Further, I've already directed you to the link I provided (2nd time I've given this answer). I didn't specify gays, I said, "Before I can come anywhere close to acknowledging this as a furtherment of civil rights for the LGBT community and a credit to the Trump Administration, I would need to hear an explanation of the abundance of its moves so far that've done nothing for them but throw them back years in progress." I'm looking for someone to explain to me the disparity in the numerous policies this administration has enacted or redacted (exemplified by my links) that've stripped away rights within the LGBT community and that will need to be re-fought for to this move that now suddenly appears to fight for them.

That sudden inconsistency doesn't strike you a bit odd? I'm willing to grant the Trump Administration its due, but not without a hell of a lot of suspicion and skepticism that human rights is the motivating factor here. Because unless you've not been paying attention for the past two years, that hasn't seemed to be too high up on their priority list with respect to the LGBT community.

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@MirkoS77: That's a lot of words that say absolutely nothing, so what rights did the LGBT community actually lose so far?

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#22 MirkoS77
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@MirkoS77: That's a lot of words that say absolutely nothing, so what rights did the LGBT community actually lose so far?

Only for those with no reading comprehension. You two adamantly insisting I supply evidence has already been done since my very first post. This is also kind of a biggie, with enormous ramifications for the civil rights of transgenders. Just a forewarning, these do require reading, so don't be intimidated.

The hilarious thing is that that's not even my point, they simply back it, which you would understand if you actually had any reading comprehension.

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@vl4d_l3nin said:

How is AIDS an "epidemic"? So long as you don't share needles or have unprotected anal sex, your chances of getting it is effectively zero. It's also one of the most researched diseases on the planet.

The majority of people with AIDS/HIV are heterosexual and do not get it from anal sex. Jesus Christ, is this how bad sex education is right now?

On to the actual topic: It's good that the Trump admin is doing this, however we all know they're just using it as leverage against countries they don't like to put pressure on them i.e. the LBGT community is simply a pawn to them. You want to really prove to me you mean business? Press Russian on how they treat LBGT citizens and people because they're horrible at it as well.

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@MirkoS77 said:
@vfighter said:

@MirkoS77: That's a lot of words that say absolutely nothing, so what rights did the LGBT community actually lose so far?

Only for those with no reading comprehension. You two adamantly insisting I supply evidence has already been done since my very first post. This is also kind of a biggie, with enormous ramifications for the civil rights of transgenders. Just a forewarning, these do require reading, so don't be intimidated.

The hilarious thing is that that's not even my point, they simply back it, which you would understand if you actually had any reading comprehension.

You're arguing with intentionally dishonest people. I guess they're incapable of reading the news when 'Transgender Military Ban' is printed.

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@Sevenizz said:

@comp_atkins: ‘Orange man bad’

Dems have to find something negative every time Trump does or says anything. Racism is an NPC talking point so they just blurt that out willy nilly.

NPC?

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#27 Treflis
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It's like people are unable to actually look up the definition of a word before throwing it around.

That said, Even if it's motives are cynical and odd considering the whole " No trans-people in the armed forces", I'd say it's a good thing if it actually helps prevent people getting killed simply because they like members of the same sex.

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@vfighter said:

@MirkoS77: That's a lot of words that say absolutely nothing, so what rights did the LGBT community actually lose so far?

@MirkoS77 would EXCEL as a politician. His ability to dance around words rivals that of Justin Trudeau. At least Trudeau is getting paid for it. This dude is doing this for free on the internet XD

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@comp_atkins said:
@Sevenizz said:

@comp_atkins: ‘Orange man bad’

Dems have to find something negative every time Trump does or says anything. Racism is an NPC talking point so they just blurt that out willy nilly.

NPC?

don't even ask

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@michaelmikado said:
@judaspete said:
@comp_atkins said:

i'm confused how this would be anything but a good thing. how exactly is racism getting pulled in here?

You could read the article if you want to better understand the point. In short, the author argues this move is mostly an effort to get other countries to put sanctions on Iran.

This, it’s literally the Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, insert Middle Eastern country policy all over again. Find a human rights issue, claim the targeted country is violating that human right, invade.

With Saudi Arabia mysteriously absent from the list despite having the same human rights record.

Disclaimer: I'm not arguing this is anything past administrations didn't also do. If anything, this makes Trump look like more of the same. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Just louder and whinier.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@MirkoS77 said:
@vfighter said:

@MirkoS77: That's a lot of words that say absolutely nothing, so what rights did the LGBT community actually lose so far?

Only for those with no reading comprehension. You two adamantly insisting I supply evidence has already been done since my very first post. This is also kind of a biggie, with enormous ramifications for the civil rights of transgenders. Just a forewarning, these do require reading, so don't be intimidated.

The hilarious thing is that that's not even my point, they simply back it, which you would understand if you actually had any reading comprehension.

You're arguing with intentionally dishonest people. I guess they're incapable of reading the news when 'Transgender Military Ban' is printed.

They appear to be incapable of reading at all. Or at the very least it taxes them.

I don't think I've ever run into more intellectually dishonest people in my life. You show them evidence, they outright ignore it and then demand that you provide it. A waste of time.

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@comp_atkins said:
@Sevenizz said:

@comp_atkins: ‘Orange man bad’

Dems have to find something negative every time Trump does or says anything. Racism is an NPC talking point so they just blurt that out willy nilly.

NPC?

Imagine being creatively bankrupt and having to come up with an insulting meme for your political opponents on 9gag.

That is NPC in a nutshell.

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#34 Xabiss
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I didn't vote for Trump or Hilary, but **** people the guy can't win for losing. This shit is just getting dumb!

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#35 NurseDisrespect
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I always though it was a funny that trump could cure cancer and the left would be pro-cancer. Now i'm not so sure.

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#36  Edited By NurseDisrespect
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@judaspete said:
@comp_atkins said:

i'm confused how this would be anything but a good thing. how exactly is racism getting pulled in here?

You could read the article if you want to better understand the point. In short, the author argues this move is mostly an effort to get other countries to put sanctions on Iran.

The point is nonsense.

@Vaasman said:
@comp_atkins said:
@Sevenizz said:

@comp_atkins: ‘Orange man bad’

Dems have to find something negative every time Trump does or says anything. Racism is an NPC talking point so they just blurt that out willy nilly.

NPC?

Imagine being creatively bankrupt and having to come up with an insulting meme for your political opponents on 9gag.

That is NPC in a nutshell.

Its seems to be pretty on point by the reaction of the left. Yours included.

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#37  Edited By comp_atkins
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I always though it was a funny that trump could cure cancer and the left would be pro-cancer. Now i'm not so sure.

lol. lets be honest here. we're lucky he can get his pants on correctly in the morning.

he ain't curing anything.

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Does he/the administration use this as a way to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and Russia as well?

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#39 Gaming-Planet
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Is Out Magazine a grocery tabloid?

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@horgen said:

Does he/the administration use this as a way to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and Russia as well?

Absolutely not.

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#41 horgen  Moderator
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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@horgen said:

Does he/the administration use this as a way to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and Russia as well?

Absolutely not.

I want to ask why not, but that is meaningless. At least with SA US is consistently not consistent. (I hope I got the right words here)

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#42  Edited By judaspete
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@nursedisrespect said:
@judaspete said:
@comp_atkins said:

i'm confused how this would be anything but a good thing. how exactly is racism getting pulled in here?

You could read the article if you want to better understand the point. In short, the author argues this move is mostly an effort to get other countries to put sanctions on Iran.

The point is nonsense.

If they lean hard on Saudi Arabia, I'll agree with you. If the majority of their focus is on Iran, then I'd say the article has a point.

Edit: To be clear, as long as this doesn't lead to military action against Iran, I'm all for it. If it helps homosexuals get better treatment, I will give Trump credit where it's due.

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#43  Edited By mrbojangles25
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Trump is a fake, a liar. You think he actually believes half the crap he spews? He is playing the game, and cheating at it by being dishonest.

Trump supporters will go down as the biggest suckers in this country's history since...ever.

It's sad because things could have gone the other way; we could have had a progressive, left-leaning moderate in Trump. But somewhere along the line he was probably advised that the left is too smart to fall for his bullshit, but there's plenty of dumbasses on the right. Boy, were they right about that.

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Ridiculous. Trump has always been pro gay. He’s the first PotUS to support gay marriage before taking oath. I don’t know what happened to the Left. They’ve gone insane.

He was pro-Democrat before oath, too.

The left has always been on to Trump. He just went AWOL, is all. Went from inviting the Clinton's to his wedding to Melania, to "lock her up".

As I said, guy is a fake. He is using homosexuality because the only thing that scares Trump voters more than "teh gays" are fundamentalist terrorists, allegedly coming from Iran (fun fact: they're coming from Trumps best buds Saudi Arabia...)

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#44 Sevenizz
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@mrbojangles25: I’m sorry you feel that way - but I disagree. I support Donald J Trump and believe him to be a great president.

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#45  Edited By ronvalencia
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@ad1x2 said:

The Trump Administration just started a push for the decriminalization of homosexuality worldwide, with a big focus on nations like Iran where you can still be executed for being gay. The effort is being spearheaded by U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, who is openly gay.

In an opinion article, Out writer Matthew Rodriguez states that the move by the Trump Administration has absolutely nothing to do with the administration trying to defend LGBT rights, with him bring up examples such as the ban on transgender troops in the US military as to why they aren’t a friend to the LGBT community. The tweet above was quickly ratioed with comments from both supporters and enemies of the Trump administration over their opposition to the move.

Overall, after bringing up the 2016 Pulse shooting in a gay nightclub where 49 people were murdered by a man that swore allegiance to ISIS prior to the shooting, he appears to imply that the real reason Trump wants to push to decriminalize homosexuality isn’t for the benefit of homosexuals, but because it is a way he can make Muslims that live in countries like Iran that murder homosexuals look bad. Like the fact that they murder homosexuals in itself doesn’t make them look bad enough…

Regardless of how you feel about the Trump Administration, do you think it is a good thing that they are pushing for this, or should they leave those other countries alone and let them enforce their laws as they seem fit? Would it matter if it was Trump doing the push or if it was a Democratic president?

1. WTF? LGBT issue is not about race...

2. Under Trump admin, LGBTs are not killed for having MM and FF relationships which is not the case for gulf states.

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#46 George_Acton
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Are you mad Trump i don't know how you are taking these now our soldiers are gay and then he defends to US country **** oFf man

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@Sevenizz said:

@mrbojangles25: I’m sorry you feel that way - but I disagree. I support Donald J Trump and believe him to be a great president.

His policies/actions say otherwise and thus say it about you.........

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@horgen said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@horgen said:

Does he/the administration use this as a way to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and Russia as well?

Absolutely not.

I want to ask why not, but that is meaningless. At least with SA US is consistently not consistent. (I hope I got the right words here)

And this inconsistency is the reason why the articles author is very wary. It's def. worth calling out and asking what the motivations for this are.

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#49 Sevenizz
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@LJS9502_basic: Or...you watch too much CNN.

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#50 LJS9502_basic
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@Sevenizz said:

@LJS9502_basic: Or...you watch too much CNN.

I never watch CNN. Once again………you are wrong.