Report: Trump to end DACA with a six month delay.

Source: The Hill

Who DIDN'T see this coming? Bad news either way.

@nintendoboy16:

It's actually a smart move on his end. Trump pretty much bought 6 months of time for congress to act on it. I don't know if the states threatening him with a lawsuit will be happy about this though but they won't be able to do anything about it.

Smart (hardly) or not. It's still bad. Even lawmakers in his party are bashing him on it.

It hasn't happened YET.

This isn't such a terrible thing, as the six month would compel a Congress that (near) unanimously sees DACA as a necessity and repealing it as an inhuman treatment of American citizens.

Assuming that the president is going to push it off to Congress, it is a much better decision than to simply leave DACA in place, and not as heartless as his critics may think.

Under it's current form, DACA only puts illegal aliens at the bottom of the list of people that are eligible for deportation and it allows employers to give them jobs without the risk of prosecution for employing people that are not eligible to work. There is no path to citizenship through DACA unless they join the military through the MAVNI program, and the program is very limited in open slots. The vast majority of illegal aliens that are from Mexico would not qualify for a slot anyway, since the military wants people that either have nursing degrees or higher, or they speak a language that the military has a high need for. While a determined Dreamer could bust their ass for the medical requirement, there isn't a high need for Spanish speakers for the ones that don't meet the medical requirement due to the amount of legal immigrant and citizen Spanish speakers already serving (especially when you consider that Puerto Ricans are born citizens).

By passing it through Congress, it can become law. DACA in it's current form could easily be rescinded by a future president, but putting it in law through Congress means it is here to stay unless a future session of Congress repeals it. Also, they can provide a path to citizenship that all of those young men and women can take advantage of.

The only reason the military was even an option for some people under DACA was because of an unrelated law passed after 9/11 providing citizenship to immigrants that are honorably serving. That does nothing for immigrants that are either unable or unwilling to join the military, and even for the ones that are willing and would be able if they had Green Cards, the MAVNI program is not an option for most of them.

The people who are totally for DACA's quick end are pretty much admitting this is completely about skin color to them - nothing else.

Not that we didn't already know.

Trump is such a bitch......

Looks like it has been ended like expected. Now the ball is in Congress' court to push legislation through so it can become an actual law that could result in them having a real chance at citizenship.

If the amount of people in Congress that claim to be against DACA going away is so high, then there should be no issues pushing legislation through before the six month deadline. Assuming that 100% of Democrats vote for it, they would just need to secure the votes of a few Republicans to make it happen.

Otherwise, keeping DACA in place was nothing more than kicking the can down the road, and it could have even been struck down in court based on the lawsuit bought up by those state attorneys stating that President Obama's original order was not within his authority.

Good move by Trump.

About time that shitty program ended.

Actually there a few states threatening with lawsuits against the DACA , and not to keep it.

You pretty much lost the debate right there.

But then again it´s a typical leftist strategy when they don´t have a good argument, attack with nonsense instead.

American citizens?

What are you on? they are not American citizens

It's terrible to end it. If they came as children they have no ties at all to the country they left. They should be allowed to become citizens. Only reason to be against this is fear and/or racism.

@Jacanuk:

Either way, it makes for a good bargaining chip for Republicans. They could get the wall they always wanted. And since Democrat politicians are so hell bent on helping Dreamers whatever means necessary, they'll have to agree at some point.

Any one that wants a wall should locked inside four forever.

It's an easy target. Children even more so. If the children came before they were teenagers and have stayed a few(3+ maybe) years, let them stay. Give them the possibility to become citizens I say.

@LJS9502_basic:

I don't personally WANT the wall either. I'm just saying if Democrats want DACA so bad, why not make a deal?

Oh I wasn't addressing that to you. We don't need a wall and we shouldn't expect people to have to pay for it. Taxes are high enough. Government wastes enough. If the Conservatives want it.........they can open their wallet. Though I don't like walls anyway.

Well, that is claim we will never be able to figure out for certain, since we have no insight into each individuals family status. But a good bet considering the amount of money being shipped out of the US to countries like Mexico, is that of course they have a network.

And no it´s not terrible to end it, it´s a shitty way to bypass immigration laws. If the democrats want them here, make them american citizens for good and not give them a short reprieve. But let´s see what happens, now it´s in the hands of Congress. Trump is not well-liked among most republicans in the congress so they may just go with the democrats and make it permanent.

You do know immigration....illegal or otherwise is down? You can't be ignoring facts can you?

Only Trump wants the wall.

There are other and better ways of putting a cork into the illegal immigration, like putting a foot down when it comes to those sanctuary cities and increased the ICE presence in states where they know there is a big population of illegals.

But let´s see if the Republicans is so opposed to Trump they will make DACA permanent.

There are still over 11 million illegal immigrants in the US.

That is 11 million people who are all morally corrupt and have said F u to the American legal system.

You are hopefully not blind to that.

@Jacanuk:

i suppose that is another way to do it but I'd hardly consider it "better." Trump is supposed to be an expert at making deals, isn't he? Well now is a perfect time to prove it.

Yup "art of the deal"

But to be fair to Trump, politicians don´t work on the same level as most business leaders.

Such hyperbole. People do what they can to better themselves. Sometimes they need to leave a bad situation. I doubt your ancestors asked the Native Americans if they could immigrate.

The millions of illegal aliens ignored our laws and that isn't hyperbole.

It's not a felony.

And they were children. They didn't have a choice. Man Conservatives really need to get some empathy. Such greed.

1. Nice try to finally get that 1 win against me......but not happening. That wasn't a debate. I made an off-the-cuff remark based off my opinion - and I still hold it because no one is giving a rational reason as to why current DACA should be "rounded up and booted asap". But if you want to get technical and debate over current DACA members (and how stupid the alt-right are on this), over 70% of Americans are against deporting these DACA. Even most Republicans. It is not their fault they are here - and due to DACA were not breaking ANY laws. Current DACA members are good for the economy. They pay taxes. Most have higher learning. Most have jobs. Most speak English fluently and are assimilated. Removing them will cost a fortune. This was a political move by Trump.

I'm not a leftist. I'm an independent.

2. You'd know if it was a debate, you've objectively lost every single one you've ever tried against me. "Bu bu gallop and rji and wapo and nyt and cnn is fake! This is my argument!".

Reading through some of the responses, as well as what people outside this forum have said, do you think that just keeping it in place indefinitely versus forcing Congress to pass an actual bill would have been a better idea?

In my opinion, forcing a bill will be a better option simply because giving the Dreamers a more permanent option that can't be rescinded by a future president means that they actually have more options for citizenship than taking advantage of a loophole with the military.

But of course, the easy answer to what happened is that it was a decision based on racism and not forcing Congress to do their jobs. If Congress passes a bill making a form of DACA permanent and Trump vetos it, then I can see how it would look bad for him, assuming that no unreasonable pork that had nothing to do with the goal of giving Dreamers the opportunity to become legal was attached to the bill first.

Who said it was a felony?

Liberals need to stop with the emotion card. The parents brought them here yet they seem to bear zero responsibility.

Not a hyperbole. They have broken the law that is a undeniable fact.

And if they really want to better themselves or leave a bad situation then apply through the legal channels and become a legal citizen and not try to sneak in through the backdoor and break the laws. The law is the law and if we all went around and disregarded laws just because we felt like it, it would destroy the society and just make us become the very country these people are "cowardly running" from.

And no my ancestors did not ask the native Americans neither did they have to, there was no reason to ask since no law was active.

If it's not a felony then it's not a big deal..........stop exaggerating it.

I find this statement hilarious coming from you. You're almost as clueless as Jacanuk.

And DACA protected them from this,

-Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) is an Americanimmigration policy founded by the Obama administration in June 2012. DACA allows certain illegal immigrants who entered the country as minors, to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and eligibility for a work permit.

Meaning these children were doing nothing illegal by following DACA. Now they work jobs, pay taxes, and/or go to college. They help the economy. Removing them would cost a fortune.

To want current DACA members "rounded up" typically stems from one sentiment, from what I've seen (and you know damn well what that is). I'm not hearing proper rational or logic to think it might be otherwise.

I think you need to learn a bit more about the law and the DACA program.

It´s a 2 year deferred action from deportation and eligibility which means they are not cleared of their illegal status, it´s just being deferred IE a temporary protection

Also if republicans are for it, how come Texas and 25 other republican states sued Obama and won. or how come they voted for and passed a defunding of the program. (even tho it was a moot vote, since they had nothing to say about it´s funding)

So sorry maybe learn a bit more before you speak and what ever lies you say to yourself to sleep at night.

Don't be silly, I know how it works. I never stated otherwise. During the deferment they are not committing a crime by simply being here. They are allowed to work and go to school/college normally.

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) is an Americanimmigration policy founded by the Obama administration in June 2012. DACA allows certain illegal immigrants who entered the country as minors, to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and eligibility for a work permit.

So they've done nothing wrong themselves, they work, they pay taxes, and they contribute to the economy. They speak perfect English/Dialect and act fully assimilated. I see no reason why a sane human would want them "rounded up". (Although I'm starting to wonder what you real "reasons" are).

Also, please don't lie about polling:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/09/05/with-daca-trump-again-prioritizes-his-base-over-whats-politically-popular/?utm_term=.c144d8454b6c

Just about no one wants these kids deported. Over 60% of R. JESUS ****!

Again you need to stop trying to act like you know the law. If you break the law you have broken the law, which is why the ICE detained a few dreamers completely legit, they are not here legally , they are not american citizens.

And you don´t have to link to things that are already obvious. It does not matter if they work , pay taxes or contribute to anything, they are still illegal immigrants who have tried to bypass the law.

And again republicans sued Obama over DACA and DAPA. So i do not give a shit about the Washington post´s "pew" poll. Since clearly the republicans are not more upset than they vote for republicans who are against DACA/DAPA.

Right.......not a big deal. Is there a reason you lefties do not blame the parents for this situation?

So basically "nu uh!".

K.

So straw man is all you offer?

A lot of deflection to "bu teh leftist" or "liberal" even though most of the country is for the DACA kids staying.

The alt-right are a cancerous bunch.

A lot is said about you when you won't even cast blame where it is rightfully deserved. You are bitching at the lack of empathy by those wanting this to end yet remain absolutely silent regarding those who caused the problems. Without mom and dad illegally entering or country, their brood wouldn't be in this predicament.

And a lot is said about you and your argument when you veer off path.............can't respond at all.

Yes, DACA protects those brought to this country as a child through no fault of your own having spent, effectively, their entire life living in that country.

Those 600,000 under DACA are as American as children of illegal immigrants who were born in the US.

I'm still waiting on you to cast rightful blame rather than your typical blame Trump while spouting the "republicans lack empathy" and are racist.. Since it is you though, I don't expect anything beyond your typical shuck and jive routine while avoiding the harsh reality of the situation.

That's not the subject of this thread.......but you'd rather hide behind it than admit that punishing the children is wrong.

I'm hoping this doesn't come to pass. Most of those kids don't know any other country. Plus, we've already spent the money educating them. Let them stay and contribute.

We're talking about a program being stopped that was used to benefit children brought here ILLEGALLY by their PARENTS and you are your typical self blaming Trump rather than those who started this problem.

My belief is that we are a nation of laws and we either follow them or get rid of them so no, I don't find it wrong in the least that such a problem is being addressed even though it might not be the way you like.