Report: Trump to end DACA with a six month delay.

I don't care. They were children. Many have known no other country. THAT is the important issue.

None of that makes them American citizens. Yes, they may feel like Americans and they may love this country more than natural born citizens that despise it here, but they still aren't citizens. If they were, then this wouldn't be an issue, since the president doesn't have the legal authority to strip citizenship on a whim and the USCIS can only involuntarily strip someone of citizenship if their original application was fraudulent.

That doesn't mean that I don't feel bad about their situation. Also, I have served in Iraq with people that weren't US citizens, but they were more American than people that I grew up with. Almost all of those people that I served with later became citizens through their service.

But with the Dreamers, I'm just not going to call them something that they aren't. Instead I would encourage those that support them to do what they can to make it where they can have a real pathway to citizenship versus simply being the recepient of prosecutorial discretion that can easily be revoked by whomever is in the Oval Office. That means that those people need to get on the phone and bug their Congressmen.

This is strictly a political move by Trump, not a legal one. Anyone thinking otherwise is deluding themselves or woefully uneducated on the issue.

You compared US citizens to terrorists. You're the deluded one.

I'm glad they're cracking down on illegal immigration. Letting people in from Mexico is a mistake. Lots of disease and such.

The Dreamers on average have very positive stats (lower crime rate than native born). Pay taxes. Go to college. 90%+ Work rate. And they personally and consciously did nothing illegal. Their parents brought them in, and then DACA swept them up. They've just been following the law they've been told (except for the very small cases of criminals). They give positive benefits to the economy and deporting them would be an immense cost.

There is almost no actual practical reason to do so, which is why I think the minority of Americans (far less than 30%) who actually wants to "round them up and deport them" are thinking such things for racial reasons - because I see no actual logical reason. Until they can present a logical and practical reason - I know the real reason behind their foaming at the mouth.

I like the idea of this program, but all it does is deffer deportation. From what I understand, there's no path to citizenship. What's point of keeping these individuals under deportation limbo? Seems a bit cruel, half-assed and ill thought out.

You're not even trying anymore. :(

If congress does something and institutes a permanent solution aka path to citizenship, then this is a good thing, imo.

If congress does nothing and there are de facto negative effects on these people then this is a bad thing, imo.

I am not a fan of perpetuating a mediocre solution that is founded on quicksand, indefinitely. It's fine as a temporary measure, but sooner or later congress has to grow some and make a decision.

One can argue till one is blue in the face over the motivation of Trump, but the fact remains that he has opened the door that others can walkthrough if they want. Trump is a train wreck but there are a boatload of other people that can decide this which appears to me to be a better option.

Otherwise, everything stays the same in which case you should ask wtf these people are doing, because right now it appears as if congress hasn't done an effing thing in many years.

When we have a Zika outbreak, i'll blame you.

If over 70% of the country is for giving Dreamers the right to stay, then Congress should have no problem pushing a bill through that would go beyond DACA and give them a real pathway to citizenship. No amount of racists that may be part of the less than 30% would stop it, since their voices and votes would be drowned out by everyone else.

Now, if they push a bill through next week and Trump vetos it for no good reason, then I can totally see him being called racist for vetoing it. On the other hand, if he signed it and the Dreamers are in a much better position having the law behind them and not simply prosecutorial discretion, then today's announcement would be better for them in the long run.

We can sit back and call Trump racist for this all day, but the ball is still in Congress' court.

And another thing, these DACA are not allowed any aid program afaik. And they still have to pay taxes. Lol "leechers".

Only a fool would want them kicked out.

Not talking about Trump. Talking about his emboldened cultists yelling "deport them" to the DACA, which makes zero sense.

@zaryia: Okay, maybe I got the post l quoted confused with the other posts that are saying that Trump himself is racist for removing DACA despite telling Congress to come up with something better so he can sign it.

In terms of the people that want Dreamers gone due to racist feelings against Latinos, not much that can really be done about that. At the same time, not all people that want Dreamers deported want them gone due to racism, some people want them gone because they don't want foreigners to think that they can ignore our immigration laws, even though most of the Dreamers couldn't help the situation since the vast majority came over before they were even old enough for middle school.

How about we don't want them here because they don't belong here legally?

The bolded part addressed that.

Let's see what Congress does.

What I will say is that I'm grateful to have been lucky enough to be a native of this country so many try to come to only to better their situation rather than sit here high on my horse of borne privilege looking down upon those absent it who desire no more opportunity than I was given from the get-go. Truly makes me wonder if anyone who so adamantly advocates their removal has faced one day of hardship in their entire lives. There's nothing more pathetic and sad than inherent privilege condemning those without it struggling to improve their lives and those for who they care for.

Not much of a choice when you're six and already going to school.

Their average age was 6. Empathy is a positive.

In response to this, Mayor Rahm Emanuel declared Chicago a "Trump free zone". Not sure that's a good idea, because that's going to give Donnie ideas that "the left" is oppressing him and his supporters.

At least there are protests outside the White House.

So you claim that children is suddenly American citizens? If that was the case , they would not need a protection against deportation.

I think you have DACA confused with anchor babies which you are correct is American citzens.

Nice deflection away from your lack of knowledge on the DACA and the law.

But if your 70% is correct, i am sure that the republicans will have no problem in joining in on a bi-partisan deal since they want to please their voters here up to the midterms

And yet they are running scared of annoying the trump cult.

Well, if 70% of the republican voterbase are for DACA, those few nutjobs wont be a big problem.

But they are spineless.......

That is true. like all politicians

Unfortunately tho it looks like Trump may become a pussy in 6 months and re-enable the program.

Which is just sick, either stop it or don't , don´t stop it and then come out and say "hey i know congress most likely wont do anything, so i will re-enable it again "Trumpstyle" in 6 months" and leave the people hanging in the unknown.

I like what Trump is doing. He's trying to make it law, which would actually be better for the people involved. Just have to hope Congress doesn't continue to suck...which as I type that I now fully doubt they'll do it.

lol he isn't "doing" anything, just kicking the can to Congress.

Well, if you try to look at it from a more neutral perspective and take off the "hatetrump" glasses.

This could actually be a pretty "clever" political move , when DACA was there, the congress had no need to make a law . So they could eat their cake and have it too. Also there was a big chance of Texas and the others states winning the lawsuit against DACA and that would have on Trump despite it being a obama order.

So now they have a gun to the head and we all know how congress works, so they might end up doing nothing, in which case Trump jumps in with the free pass and saves them. While it wont move you or other firm trump haters, it has a good chance of moving the more levelheaded.

Ignoring your tangent is not deflection. I quoted the DACA information. I know what the EO states, and what it protects against. I know the statistics and legal parameters of the Dreamers, and never incorrectly stated such data.

But yes, a majority of Americans are for keeping the DACA members. Hopefully the republicans indeed don't have a problem finding a deal.

I'm just saying those Trump fans who are foaming at the mouth wanting DACA members to be deported ASAP don't have a leg to stand on.

No, you are ignoring the fact that you did not understand what DACA was and continued to claim they were not "illegals"

And you can keep deflecting but the point is, DACA is a stay of execution not a pardon.

Well, we will see what the american people think during the midterms, Congress now has 6 months to do something.

And foaming? Daca is a disgrace and 99% sure Obama would have lost when Daca came to the supreme court like he did with DAPA.

@perfect_blue: Which is where it should be.

This is an internet website. People can scroll up and see I never wrote that. I never claimed DACA made them legal, citizens, or "not illegals" (Why did you put that in quotes If I never even typed that? This is some Brietbart level bullshit fake news). I never claimed it was a pardon. I never said or thought any of that bullshit. Do you have brain problems?

These things were not typed by me. This is sad, even by your standards.

Another debate lost by Jacanuk. What are we at, 12:0?

Edit: I just remembered you tried to do this same shtick not too long ago. https://www.gamespot.com/forums/political-gamers-909409192/add-another-to-the-trump-vs-cnn-debacle-families-a-33397822/?page=2. Either you suck at reading people's posts or play a "long deflect game".

My advice, stick to the topic and stop this fiction stuff. It's useless.

Sure, it's a good "political move" (whatever that means) for Trump since it absolves him of responsibility and having to do anything, I know that.

Trump won't be saving anything. He can't even repeal Obamacare, something the GOP spent years campaigning on. You think he's going to do something like the DREAM Act or immigration reform? You have a lot of faith in a man who has failed at governing at every opportunity.

#winning

Yes, this is a internet forum and you wrote

@zaryia said:

It is not their fault they are here - and due to DACA were not breaking ANY laws.

Unless you have a very different definition of not breaking any laws , you clearly misunderstood DACA.

I know you have a hard time admitting defeat, but to no surprise you lost again and again and again, and you don´t win by going into circular logic like you do.

I knew you would spin it to fit your agenda.

Trump is just paying the republicans back for their betrayal with the repeal.

He's hurting himself more than the party though..........

Probably but he is also hurting the party

Remember the voters saw him as the outsider not a party candidate.

@Jacanuk: lol it's more likely that Trump is just a crap negotiator (which seems to be the case).

Sorry that your idol isn't as good as he makes himself out to be. :(

Ya, probably

But my guess is since he is not a poor guy that he is just paying the republicans back for their betrayal.

That's a good thing...........but he's losing points with Republicans as well.........though he is damaging their brand.

Well, one mans trash is another mans gold.

And if republicans lose a couple of seats it´s only good they need to eat some humblepie.

Wrong. I suggested they [Dreamers] weren't breaking any laws by following DACA, or specifically due to the DACA. Which they aren't. Unless you can provide citation, as this is written nowhere in any document.

However, that isn't even what you stated or meant. I got your post right here:

No, you are ignoring the fact that you did not understand what DACA was and continued to claim they were not "illegals"

I never claimed or suggested DACA members were in any manor legal or citizens, much less "continued" to do so. In fact I bet anything you will not be able to produce a quote of me saying this. If such quote is not produced within your next reply to me, you accept an automatic concession.

Never change, this is always too easy. Like that time with cnn, gallup, rji, wapo, pew(education), abc, etc. Facts trump all.

@zaryia: Maybe @Jacanuk is confusing you with a post made by another poster on the first page that referred to DACA beneficiaries as citizens:

That is the only conclusion that I can come up with looking at previous posts in this thread.

Or they could become obsolete.

You claimed the Dreamers were not breaking any laws by following the DACA, which is factual untrue.

DACA is just a temporary protection against being deported , not a pardon, Especially since the president does not have the right which you saw when Obama lost with DAPA.

And you keep deflecting and remaking facts.

Nah, that is only the left.

Hopefully congress can set this right over the next 6 months. I don't think wasting billions of dollars on a wall is a good trade for the 800,000 DACA kids, but it would probably be worth it if we can get amnesty for everyone.

Wrong. No were is it stated that by becoming a DACA recipient you are directly committing an illegal action. The act of following DACA is not an illegal action. The Dreamers did not commit crimes by following DACA protocol and rules, or due to DACA. Where are you getting this nonsense from? 4Chan?

No were did I state DACA was not temporary or a pardon. Fiction.

At least you dropped the lie that I stated Dreamers were "not illegals". No quote either, so you conceded as well. Nice. You're learning. When you're done making things up about what I said, we can get back on topic:

http://www.npr.org/2017/09/06/548882071/fact-check-are-daca-recipients-stealing-jobs-away-from-other-americans

FACT CHECK: Are DACA Recipients Stealing Jobs Away From Other Americans?

On a large scale or in the long run, there is no reason to think DACA recipients have a major deleterious effect on American workers' employment chances. What's more, some economists believe DACA is actually a boost to the economy.

What laws are they breaking? They were children when their parents came over and made no decision to enter the country illegally.