Texas Busses Immigrants to Chicago

Wait, why would it cost $12+ million for bussing? I thought it would just be a few hundred for gass and to pay the buss driver.

Texas is wasting all the money.

Oh so we should assimilate to the existing culture. Tell me which Native American language you speak.

11.880 million $ to the middle guy. :P

That isn't the existing culture and hasn't been since 1776

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Neither is this fake culture you think everyone should adapt to.........

Also your stance is hypocritical.

Your stance is America has no culture and should accept anyone and everyone. We disagree so we can leave it at that.

@mattbbpl: Wow. That's quite the selective editing, because she also called Abbot a racist, a man "without morals, humanity, or shame".

Lightfoot is a disaster of a Mayor; she shouldn't have even been elected. None of the crap happening in Chicago would be happening if Daily was still there - Hell, even Rahm did better.

HAHAHAHAHA they, I'm sure that all of those immigrants didn't bring and incorporate some of their culture along the way.

Bringing some of your culture is different then having a complete disregard for the country your in. Again why don't we have little Germany's everywhere?

You're sounding very xenophobic actually.

Lol that response was predictable.

Well yeah when that's what your stance is...........

Call it what you want I couldn't care less. The US and western Europe seem to be the only places required to allow everyone in pander to their every need.

It's not pandering. And the US and Europe would be much better to live in then many countries. But you can always move if "pandering" bothers you. North Korea, Russia, China, Turkey may be more your speed. I hear they don't pander.

@silentchief: I'd be happy with acculturation. Assimilation is asking them to more or less forget their heritage and fully become American, which is something I don't think is fair to ask of anyone. Also, what even is "American culture"? I thought we were the melting pot lol.

Plus--and let's be honest here--it's kind of a one-way street: even if they assimilate, speak English, and don't practice their customs, they're still going to be seen as "the other" by the xenophobic people that think it matters simply because they're not white or they have an accent.

Assimilation is a lose-lose situation.

California manages just fine, thank you very much.

I don't have anything against Mexico BUT THEY CAN"T HAVE CALIFORNIA BACK! Well, maybe everything south of Santa Barbara. But not the Northern half!

Can we give Texas back?

@LJS9502_basic: Yeah, maybe. Texas often seems to not want to be part of the US. Maybe Mexico can fix their power grid that seems to fail and kill people in the summer and winter.

Abott is a clown.

Probably about $30,000 for bus drivers and fuel.

$100,000 for insurance and liability stuff.

$5mil for two or three hand-picked new positions like "deportation czar" and "bus consigliere". Gotta help your friends!

The rest get's funneled through various organizations and goes to Abbot and company for campaigning and expenses.

I'm not seeing how that is a contradiction to her statements in the OP.

You stated "I'm proud of the response from my state, and to Abbott I say, "feel free to keep them coming.", and the comments you posted from her were all warm and fuzzy, but only comprised a small portion of what she said to the press and said in a televised press conference.

And how is speaking another language, when entering, a complete disregard for the culture of the country you're entering? I will remind you that this same scenario applied to literally all immigrants in the 1800s and early 20th century. You think that because there aren't pockets of 'little Germanys' that they didn't affect our culture? I hate to break it to you, they didn't need little Germanys, they injected their culture straight into the vein of America and have more or less subverted overtime.

Mentioning her disgust for him and his policies isn't the gotcha you think it is. I agree they're disgusting, and discussed them in such terms earlier in the thread.

HA HA HA!!! I bartended (when in college) at a Mexican restaurant that was employing quite a few illegals. That Rice University study is full of crap.

• First off, they don't pay property taxes, because most live in multi-family dwellings, but only one person is on the lease.
• Second, when they do have to pay taxes, they declare 8+ children and actually get a five figure tax credit in April - and get all the money they paid in back (or didn't Rice know that the US govt cannot verify someone's dependents in Mexico?)
• Third, they get free medical care, which far outweighs what they pay in with sales taxes.

As for the New American article - so... they are essentially for slave labor, as long as it's just not called "slave labor". And, as far as the economic benefits, look to my bullet points above. It is a scam, I have seen it with my own eyes. Me: "Wait, Eve... you have 13 kids in Mexico?" Eve: "Yes. 13 kids. Yes."

Ditch the anecdotes. Cite something concrete on the matter.

I saw it with my own eyes, I don't need to link any sources. El Cortez Mexican Restaurant of Orland Park, IL (it has moved to Mokena since then) - mid 90s. I was there and I saw it happen.

I can tell you exactly how they scam the system with loopholes. It's the same scam that a lot of low income folks do to get $10k, $25K back from the fed at tax time.

It's not speaking another language It's the refusal of learning the language that is predominantly spoken in the country. German's didn't refuse to speak the language.when they came here. As to your second point if that's true why would we want countries from South America subverting our culture? Most are third world shitholes unlike Germany, Italy and Ireland.

I mean what he's saying checks out. I didn't realize you could claim children that weren't legal as dependents.

What a scam..

If the study isn't analyzing this that's a problem.

He said ditch the anecdotes....

I need citation directly showing they cost more to keep than bus. I need you to refute all 3 of my links with citation. Saying "HA HA HA" and then pretending to be an economist is not enough.

Your link isn't even supporting the overarching claim which he's pushing back against. Illegal immigrants have a net positive effect when it comes to taxes and economic impacts.

There have been other studies posted in this thread that said they are not a net positive effect.

I would need to know in detail what the studies are analyzing to come up with those conclusions. I'm weary of any study that groups all immigrants together when we are specifically mentioning immigrants from the southern border.

Ah, the opening lines of a fool then. By this measure bigfoot exists!

What study would that be. Every study I see says immigration is essential to the United States. It's important for the taxes paid and will be necessary for Social Security, etc.

Bolded: If I missed those please let me know. As to my comment, I've already linked several studies which show a net positive for immigration, legal or otherwise (in current state).

Happy to hear the Chicago mayor isn't being a dick about this, unlike Texas.

Hers is one posted previously in the thread.

The studies you linked groups all immigrants together. This is not the info im looking for. I want to know the results of illegal immigrants from the southern border.

Also a stupid fight to have considering that anyone paying rent is effectively paying property taxes for the owner of the building. Many of these illegal immigrants are still paying taxes on things that they can't even take advantage of.

Oh, you mean the CIS study that is written by a white supremacist organization?

It's a literal fake news site, and even his own sources disagree with him.

@zaryia said:

@silentchief said:

@HoolaHoopMan said:

@silentchief said:

@HoolaHoopMan said:

Your link isn't even supporting the overarching claim which he's pushing back against. Illegal immigrants have a net positive effect when it comes to taxes and economic impacts.

There have been other studies posted in this thread that said they are not a net positive effect.

I would need to know in detail what the studies are analyzing to come up with those conclusions. I'm weary of any study that groups all immigrants together when we are specifically mentioning immigrants from the southern border.

Bolded: If I missed those please let me know. As to my comment, I've already linked several studies which show a net positive for immigration, legal or otherwise (in current state).

Hers is one posted previously in the thread.

It's a literal fake news site, and even his own sources disagree with him.

Are the studies they are posting from the NAS inaccurate? Either way I need a study that shows the effects of illegal immigrants from the southern border. Any study Linking all immigrants combined doesn't really debunk that.

@silentchief said:

@zaryia said:

@silentchief said:

Hers is one posted previously in the thread.

It's a literal fake news site, and even his own sources disagree with him.

Are the studies they are posting from the NAS inaccurate? Either way I need a study that shows the effects of illegal immigrants from the southern border. Any study Linking all immigrants combined doesn't really debunk that.

Those studies have been provided earlier (bolded). It's best to start these by NOT quoting CIS as a source. It's not something that is generally acceptable.

Now you've gone all foolish on me. SilentChief already gave you a link about how claiming dependents work with illegals.

The fact that you can't connect the dots is telling.

@silentchief said:

@zaryia said:

@silentchief said:

@HoolaHoopMan said:

Bolded: If I missed those please let me know. As to my comment, I've already linked several studies which show a net positive for immigration, legal or otherwise (in current state).

Hers is one posted previously in the thread.

It's a literal fake news site, and even his own sources disagree with him.

Are the studies they are posting from the NAS inaccurate?

I didn't find their claims in the NAS document.

Breitbart does this too with climate studies. Although this source is even lower rated than them somehow.

Your assertions and his link don't negate what Zaryia was posting with supporting links. That's kind of the point of responding to them, correct?

I am not commenting to Zaryia, I am commenting to you. It was already pointed out how the system can be abused, and I mentioned how I saw it happen first hand.

Illegals take far more than they give, and you just turn a blind eye because your like-minded brethren post silly articles and studies that do not represent reality; then you compare my comments, which are rooted in reality, with cryptozoology.

Topic says immigrants. Not illegal.

The first study has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. The second two are by sources that have no rankings of media bias so it's hard for me to see their credibility. A study can tell you what numbers they found but without details to how they discovered those numbers it has little validity. The CIS study that pulls its facts from the NAS has more details in how they come to the conclusions. So the jury is out in particular to how illegal immigrants from the southern border effect our economy.

They don't which is the point originally made by myself. You're being willfully ignorant now, which again, is why I asked you for citations rather than your gut feeling and experiences. You're arguing against a macro style claim with your own anecdotes which isn't going to cut it.