Texas Busses Immigrants to Chicago

The first study has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. The second two are by sources that have no rankings of media bias so it's hard for me to see their credibility. A study can tell you what numbers they found but without details to how they discovered those numbers it has little validity. The CIS study that pulls its facts from the NAS has more details in how they come to the conclusions. So the jury is out in particular to how illegal immigrants from the southern border effect our economy.

Looks like you didn't bother to read the PBS source then. It's not a hard concept to get. Illegal immigrants are still subject to income taxes and sales taxes yet are far less likely to access benefits than their legal counterparts.

This is also taking into account that you've already admitted that immigrants in general are a boon for the economy. If the distinction you're making it illegal vs legal, it follows that we should take steps to provide them citizenship. Your entire stance makes no sense from a logic standpoint.

"It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits.

In general, more people working means more taxes — and that’s true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy."

But that study does nothing to show the tax loop holes they are able to take advantage of. It also does nothing to address the massive cost spent on their children in the public school system. It also doesn't account for the massive amount of money they send to their relatives that is never distributed throughout our economy. There's tons of factors that study never mentions. So yes from a logical standpoint it makes perfect sense.

Immigrants in general and illegal immigrants from the southern border are a completely different topic. Immigrants from China or India for an example are for more likely to be educated and attempt to speak the language.

They don't which is the point originally made by myself. You're being willfully ignorant now, which again, is why I asked you for citations rather than your gut feeling and experiences. You're arguing against a macro style claim with your own anecdotes which isn't going to cut it.

I'm not being ignorant about anything. I witnessed illegals putting 6, 8, and (no kidding) 13 children as dependents on their taxes. Then, I saw how they changed their hours to 20 hours a week to make sure they got 100% of their money back, plus the $3k per kid in tax credits at tax time. They were all laughing how they got huge "bonus checks" from the government.

You don't want to believe me, even after the proof that it can be done was given to you, fine. Keep living with your head in the sand like an ostrich. I saw this happen. There is no room for debate here - I was working there and saw the results. I don't know why you are still responding.

Your experience doesn't hold weight against studies on this. Should I judge you on the basis on how I find Eoten?

I'm not being ignorant about anything. I witnessed illegals putting 6, 8, and (no kidding) 13 children as dependents on their taxes. Then, I saw how they changed their hours to 20 hours a week to make sure they got 100% of their money back, plus the $3k per kid in tax credits at tax time. They were all laughing how they got huge "bonus checks" from the government.

You don't want to believe me, even after the proof that it can be done was given to you, fine. Keep living with your head in the sand like an ostrich. I saw this happen. There is no room for debate here - I was working there and saw the results. I don't know why you are still responding.

I'm not being ignorant about anything. I witnessed illegals putting 6, 8, and (no kidding) 13 children as dependents on their taxes.

@dabear: I am not judging millions based on the action of a few.

No one is doubting that people are abusing the system. That is not what is in question here.

It does take those (bolded) into effect in aggregate. The things you're listing are benefits, which again as I'll repeat for the 1000th time, are accessed at a much lower rate than legal immigrants or natural born citizens. Want to complain about stolen benefits? Sure, go a head. Just know that the cost of those stolen benefits are likely much higher for citizens since they abuse the same loopholes while accessing a wider range of benefits nationwide.

The problem is that it's a lot more wide-spread than " a few". I highly doubt my experience just happened to be the "one in a million" unique one.

I know of a lot of instances where people cheat the system. My wife's niece lives off the government by cheating the system (much to our mutual disgust). She learned that from her baby-daddy's family, who do the same thing.

No it doesn't. Your taking their word for it eventhough it doesn't detail how they came up with those numbers. They are not mentioning how they came to their conclusion. Are they Factoring in those who live together and do not pay property tax? Their is no detail and how they came up with those numbers.

And how are citizens taking advantage of those loopholes. Does the average citizen have the same amount of children? Also how would they accurately verify a child who isn't legalized since they don't have a SS#? Tye study doesn't address that. It just throws out a conclusion and says " trust us".

The study and data follows that the same results would apply to illegal immigrants MORE SO, given the same methodology. What don't you understand about that? Your average citizen can access all benefits given they meet requirements, illegal immigrants cannot while they still have to pay income taxes.

MORE IN - LESS OUT. It's not a hard concept to grasp, which at this point means you're being willfully ignorant.

But as I said before, you've already acknowledged that immigrants are a great addition to the country. You're just putting red tape around their entrance based on racist and discriminative requirements like culture and language. Just drop the charade.

Because that's simply not true. We had a Mexican restaurant here years ago where they had illegals living in the attic . They were paid via cash they paid no income taxes. I know a guy who did the same with a landscaping company he owned. Do they factor this kinda shit in? No they don't. They are assuming that everyone is paying an income tax which isn't true and most aren't paying a property tax. Again I just want to see the details and for some reason you don't.

The CIS study which pulled all its info from the NAS( which is actually considered reliable) at least showed in detail how they came up with their conclusions.

We're not going to discuss the CIS study since it's a hate group, so best to drop that. Same applies to your anecdotes. They're worthless here. How about a CBO study though. Same narrative I'm saying, that the total net gain is positive, with varying levels of costs and benefits incurred between governmental levels.

But we could just avoid all of this if we ditch your racist requirements for entry. Let them become legal at a much higher rate and a much quicker process. You're already acknowledging that it's true, you're just throwing up barriers.

"Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use."

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/110th-congress-2007-2008/reports/12-6-immigration.pdf

That study is pulling info from the late 90's. Anything more recent? And how would this work if we count government mandated health care that the left so desperately wants? Will their college be free as well? Again use some logic. You want everyone to be able to come over without restriction while allowing them acces to more benefits at no cost.

Keep shifting the goal posts, the narrative isn't going to change substantially or point in the other direction. I've never said that I want everyone to come over with no ceiling. Administration and processing will obviously have a bottleneck and reach a peak efficiency limit. At this point you're just resorting to strawman arguments and just rolling over what's staring you right in the face.

No I'm just using logic something you seem to lack. We're we talking about free Healthcare and free college in the 90's? Explain to me how talking lower income immigrants helps this cause? So those studies factor in those cost?

So, if these people are such an economic boon, why are the Chicago and New York, and probably soon to be D.C., mayor's not celebrating their arrival?

I'm not sure they are more of an economic boom than regular citizens and legal immigrants. The point was that the bussing/deportation costs more.

As for your question, they are concerned of the treatment of these humans and lack the proper coordination/preparation. Abbot is being an asshat.