Trump: MSNBC's MIKA BRZEZINSKI was 'BLEEDING'

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#101 nintendoboy16
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@LJS9502_basic said:
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There is also a certain responsibility that comes with being president. One should be above the fray at all times. Nonetheless why feel sorry for Trump? He attacked the last president quite a bit only that president stayed above the fray. Making him more adult than dumb ass trump.

Obama didn't attack Trump openly he used the intelligence community to attack behind the scenes. Obama did not have the guts to take him on instead he broke the law to get at trump. The media still has top be held responsible no wonder most people don't believe anything the media has to say especially the alphabet media.

Link? And not one of your crazy rightest sites.

The bigger question is, how could he have done it? Such an act is illegal and really, the only person saying this is Trump himself.

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#102  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@nintendoboy16 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

There is also a certain responsibility that comes with being president. One should be above the fray at all times. Nonetheless why feel sorry for Trump? He attacked the last president quite a bit only that president stayed above the fray. Making him more adult than dumb ass trump.

Obama didn't attack Trump openly he used the intelligence community to attack behind the scenes. Obama did not have the guts to take him on instead he broke the law to get at trump. The media still has top be held responsible no wonder most people don't believe anything the media has to say especially the alphabet media.

Link? And not one of your crazy rightest sites.

The bigger question is, how could he have done it? Such an act is illegal and really, the only person saying this is Trump himself.

I know. Hence why I asked him to do some work to prove such a crazy idea.

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#103 JimB
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@nintendoboy16 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

There is also a certain responsibility that comes with being president. One should be above the fray at all times. Nonetheless why feel sorry for Trump? He attacked the last president quite a bit only that president stayed above the fray. Making him more adult than dumb ass trump.

Obama didn't attack Trump openly he used the intelligence community to attack behind the scenes. Obama did not have the guts to take him on instead he broke the law to get at trump. The media still has top be held responsible no wonder most people don't believe anything the media has to say especially the alphabet media.

Link? And not one of your crazy rightest sites.

The bigger question is, how could he have done it? Such an act is illegal and really, the only person saying this is Trump himself.

Obama was a snake he used the intelligence agencies to unmask people for political purposes. When the documents were requested from Susan Rice as to who authorized the unmasking Rice said the documents had been transferred to the Obama Library and would be locked up for five years. The last I checked he did not yet have a presidential library yet. As far as doing things legal that never entered in to his thinking.

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#104 Solaryellow
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If we are capable of removing ourselves from partisanship for a moment, these tweets are worrisome in greater implication. To me they're pathetic and sad for anyone who has developed emotionally past their teens to early twenties, but it is what drives this behavior that is unsettling when viewed in the context of the responsibilities of the presidency. This temperament, this petty mindset, this vindictive nature, this vulnerability to be so easily set off and the insatiable need to strike back 10 times harder when affronted is an incredible liability for a person in a position of such power.

Do we honestly believe these personality traits are going to be constrained to the confines of the Internet when push comes to shove on a world stage or when a crisis arises? Will Trump be able to pull himself out of his ego and come to view others as being a higher priority than his own gratification? Something's not right with Trump's mind if he deems these moves prudent contrasted to the significance of the role he currently occupies, and the Goldwater rule isn't going to deny me what I can already easily discern from watching Trump myself.

This is borderline crazy behavior for a president, despite whether you believe he's justified in it, and the implications are frightening for someone holding this much power and influence.

Although it was mentioned last, it needs to be addressed first. Are you in an actual position of determining such a position or did you offer nothing hyperbole considering you mentioned the Gold H2O rule? His well-known behavior and "diarrhea" of the mouth propelled him to a victory in November yet certain people act shocked when he uses such an approach.

The symbiotic relation between the media and government has become alarming perverse since GWB was in office and it continued with BHO and appears to have come to a head with Trump. The media has grown accustomed to using "insert politician here" as a defenseless whipping boy who is required to take whatever is said about him regardless of validity and now they are taken aback when he doesn't offer a contrition.

Over thirty years ago people were saying the exact same thing about Reagan (similar to what you hit on when it comes to Trump and a crisis) and quite frankly, if my friends on the left had any validity we should have either started, been involved or now experiencing a nuclear winter thanks to Trump. Every day it is doom and gloom with these people but the specific consonant following their name somehow harbors an ignorance dealing with our past leaders and past histories.

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Over thirty years ago people were saying the exact same thing about Reagan

Please provide citation of Reagan using personal insults to this degree.

Also you haven't provided citation of Obama doing this either.

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#106 blaznwiipspman1
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lmao, I thought the tweet was funny. Though its obvious he wanted to say something else about mika bleeding. Just added the facelift part to make it more acceptable.

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@zaryia said:
@Solaryellow said:

Over thirty years ago people were saying the exact same thing about Reagan

Please provide citation of Reagan using personal insults to this degree.

Also you haven't provided citation of Obama doing this either.

Not trying to be offensive but you might want to re-read what you quoted and then come back with a germane question because you either can't comprehend the dialogue or you did not comprehend it correctly. I'll wait.

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@Solaryellow said:
@zaryia said:
@Solaryellow said:

Over thirty years ago people were saying the exact same thing about Reagan

Please provide citation of Reagan using personal insults to this degree.

Also you haven't provided citation of Obama doing this either.

Not trying to be offensive but you might want to re-read what you quoted and then come back with a germane question because you either can't comprehend the dialogue or you did not comprehend it correctly. I'll wait.

I was expecting a link with data, not you groveling.

Not surprised though. You still never disproved these facts:

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@Solaryellow said:

Not to mention the first link says nothing about the specifics of his tweets. I guess he is selectively ignoring the eight years under Obama and how the ex-president did attack a certain network, its viewers, commentators and reporters (James Rosen).

1.When did Obama make childish personal insults/comments? Can you link these? Why don't you give citation?

2. You're both ignoring the second link, and neither of you have refuted the poll.

Refute with links, please

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/29/fox-news-poll-voters-say-trumps-tweets-hurting-agenda.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/lawmakers-react-trump-tweet-joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski-morning-joe/index.html

I wish GOP posters here weren't so bad at debate. It's frankly boring.

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The issue is that he occasionally lies or spread disinformation on twitter.

I'm just stating facts.

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@zaryia said:
@frank_castle said:

The issue is that he occasionally lies or spread disinformation on twitter.

If you think that anyone in high ranking office is always being 100% truthful in everything they say, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Can Trump be hyperbolic? Does he occasionally embellish things? Of course he does.

But I personally love that the guy is bypassing the press who berate him every chance they get, and is speaking directly to people in their homes. Every President should use the platform moving forward as far as I'm concerned.

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@frank_castle said:
@zaryia said:
@frank_castle said:

The issue is that he occasionally lies or spread disinformation on twitter.

If you think that anyone in high ranking office is always being 100% truthful in everything they say, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Can Trump be hyperbolic? Does he occasionally embellish things? Of course he does.

But I personally love that the guy is bypassing the press who berate him every chance they get, and is speaking directly to people in their homes. Every President should use the platform moving forward as far as I'm concerned.

1. I never said they are all truthful. Trump is just extra.......... bullshitty.

2. I mean I'm fine with using whatever medium he wants. I just hope more people realize when he's lying and saying outlandish things. Polls show most people do not think his tweeting is helping his agenda. Including his voters. It's mostly garbage talk.

3. I think the media would go easier on him if he didn't behave like a baboon, major campaign promises weren't dying, and several agencies weren't investigating his campaign. These are NOT things typical media would ever ignore for ANY president. For example Jake Tapper goes after president's when they tell factually untrue things. Trump does this every other day, what do you want him to do? If the CBO return comes back piss poor, what do you want them to do? Lie about it like Fox does? If things are factually going poorly, they are not going to report rainbows and daises.....

It seems like they are going after Trump to far right people, to everyone else it's reporting on whats happening. What's happening just isn't very good since January. Not their fault.

It's unfiltered, but it's also low IQ.

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@zaryia said:
@frank_castle said:
@zaryia said:
@frank_castle said:

The issue is that he occasionally lies or spread disinformation on twitter.

If you think that anyone in high ranking office is always being 100% truthful in everything they say, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Can Trump be hyperbolic? Does he occasionally embellish things? Of course he does.

But I personally love that the guy is bypassing the press who berate him every chance they get, and is speaking directly to people in their homes. Every President should use the platform moving forward as far as I'm concerned.

1. I never said they are all truthful. Trump is just extra.......... bullshitty.

2. I mean I'm fine with using whatever medium he wants. I just hope more people realize when he's lying and saying outlandish things.

3. Polls show most people do not think his tweeting is helping his agenda. Including his voters. It's mostly garbage talk.

"Extra" bullshitty how?

Because he doesn't constantly put on a fake smile and blow smoke up your asshole? Obama promised on the campaign trail that he would close Gitmo. This was back in 2007/2008. Last I checked, the doors are still open. Obama said a few years back pertaining to Obamacare that if you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor...another total bullshit, bold faced lie.

And Trump's mostly using social media to troll the shit out of the media and distract them to further his agenda...and it's working tremendously. Notice how none of these clowns are talking about Kate's Law or the Travel Ban now...it's all about Trump's twitter usage.

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@frank_castle said:
@zaryia said:

"Extra" bullshitty how?

Because he doesn't constantly put on a fake smile and blow smoke up your asshole? Obama promised on the campaign trail that he would close Gitmo. This was back in 2007/2008. Last I checked, the doors are still open. Obama said a few years back pertaining to Obamacare that if you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor...another total bullshit, bold faced lie.

And he's mostly using social media to troll the shit out of the media and distract them to further his agenda...and it's working tremendously. Notice how none of these clowns are talking about Kate's Law or the Travel Ban now...it's all about Trump's twitter usage.

1. Extra bullshity by literally telling more lies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

2. It's not working. Most people think it's hurting his agenda. This includes some of the top Republicans. Trump Care, which was the major discussion at the time of this new tweet storm, is DEAD in the water.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/29/fox-news-poll-voters-say-trumps-tweets-hurting-agenda.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/lawmakers-react-trump-tweet-joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski-morning-joe/index.html

3. So the President is using childish internet forum or XBL trolling tactics by constantly lying and acting like a buffoon. I think we all know whose acting like a clown. It's no wonder the whole world is laughing at Trump. He's going after the "unfair" press (lol he needs a safe space) rather than going hard on his policy.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

I think the media would go easier on him if he didn't behave like a baboon, major campaign promises weren't dying, and several agencies weren't investigating his campaign. These are NOT things typical media would ever ignore for ANY president. For example Jake Tapper goes after president's when they tell factually untrue things. Trump does this every other day, what do you want him to do? If the CBO return comes back piss poor, what do you want them to do? Lie about it like Fox does? If things are factually going poorly, they are not going to report rainbows and daises.....

It seems like they are going after Trump to far right people, to everyone else it's reporting on whats happening. What's happening just isn't very good since January. Not their fault. The 36-40% approval is not their fault.

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I didn't realize so many people on this forum want the people representing their country behaving like 10 year olds on XBOX Live.

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@zaryia said:
@frank_castle said:
@zaryia said:

"Extra" bullshitty how?

Because he doesn't constantly put on a fake smile and blow smoke up your asshole? Obama promised on the campaign trail that he would close Gitmo. This was back in 2007/2008. Last I checked, the doors are still open. Obama said a few years back pertaining to Obamacare that if you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor...another total bullshit, bold faced lie.

And he's mostly using social media to troll the shit out of the media and distract them to further his agenda...and it's working tremendously. Notice how none of these clowns are talking about Kate's Law or the Travel Ban now...it's all about Trump's twitter usage.

1. Extra bullshity by literally telling more lies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

2. It's not working. Most people think it's hurting his agenda. This includes some of the top Republicans. Trump Care, which was the major discussion at the time of this new tweet storm, is DEAD in the water.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/29/fox-news-poll-voters-say-trumps-tweets-hurting-agenda.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/lawmakers-react-trump-tweet-joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski-morning-joe/index.html

3. So the President is using childish internet forum or XBL trolling tactics by constantly lying and acting like a buffoon. I think we all know whose acting like a clown. It's no wonder the whole world is laughing at Trump. He's going after the "unfair" press (lol he needs a safe space) rather than going hard on his policy.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

I think the media would go easier on him if he didn't behave like a baboon, major campaign promises weren't dying, and several agencies weren't investigating his campaign. These are NOT things typical media would ever ignore for ANY president. For example Jake Tapper goes after president's when they tell factually untrue things. Trump does this every other day, what do you want him to do? If the CBO return comes back piss poor, what do you want them to do? Lie about it like Fox does? If things are factually going poorly, they are not going to report rainbows and daises.....

It seems like they are going after Trump to far right people, to everyone else it's reporting on whats happening. What's happening just isn't very good since January. Not their fault.

LOL

Holy hell

You actually have the balls to constantly call out Fox and independent reporters like James O'Keefe, but then you constantly use CNN and The New York Times as your sources.

Oh teh ironing

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I didn't realize so many people on this forum want the people representing their country behaving like 10 year olds on XBOX Live.

That and the fact that they literally can't see his blatant lies are the two amazing takeaways here.

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You actually have the balls to constantly call out Fox and independent reporters like James O'Keefe, but then you constantly use CNN and The New York Times as your sources.

Oh teh ironing

Your contrarian opinion is noted, but is not a fact based rebuttal.

Those CNN and NYT articles I used have valid sources and citation. They are all recorded facts. O'Keefe uses edit clips and has been sued or proven wrong endlessly. He is not sourced in any legitimate news story. He is not a reporter. He's a hoaxtser. Comparing him to CNN, WAPO, NYT, or hell even Fox is beyond sad. You may as well use Infowars.

O’Keefe pleaded guilty in 2010 to unlawfully entering the New Orleans office of then-Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) after he and three associates went to the office dressed as telephone workers in an alleged attempt to tamper with the senator’s phones. He received three years of probation, a fine of $1,500 and 100 hours of community service.

Later that year, O’Keefe attempted to lure a CNN correspondent, Abbie Boudreau, onto a boat filled with sex toys in order to film the encounter and “punk” Boudreau, who was reporting a story on conservative filmmakers. Among the props O’Keefe reportedly intended to use were a jar filled with condoms, posters and paintings of naked women, fuzzy handcuffs and a blindfold. Boudreau declined the invitation.

In a statement released before analysis of the longer raw video, NPR said, "Schiller's comments are in direct conflict with NPR's official position ... The fraudulent organization represented in this video repeatedly pressed us to accept a $5 million check with no strings attached, which we repeatedly refused to accept."[78]After reviewing the unedited video, Scott Baker of The Blaze said the NPR executives "seem to be fairly balanced people."[74] Several journalists wrote that they regretted having given O'Keefe's NPR videos wider circulation without scrutinizing them for themselves, given his past record and some of the objections that The Blaze first raised. They include Ben Smith, James Poniewozik, and Dave Weigel.[5] Journalist Chris Rovzar of New York Magazine, in reporting on the NPR video, wrote that O'Keefe's videos are "edited in a highly misleading way."[79]

Jesus Fucking Christ. Is this really the kind of person I have to debate with. Why do you make this so easy?

Feel free to prove any of this wrong with links,

1. Extra bullshity by literally telling more lies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

2. It's not working. Most people think it's hurting his agenda. This includes some of the top Republicans. Trump Care, which was the major discussion at the time of this new tweet storm, is DEAD in the water.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/29/fox-news-poll-voters-say-trumps-tweets-hurting-agenda.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/lawmakers-react-trump-tweet-joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski-morning-joe/index.html

3. So the President is using childish internet forum or XBL trolling tactics by constantly lying and acting like a buffoon. I think we all know whose acting like a clown. It's no wonder the whole world is laughing at Trump. He's going after the "unfair" press (lol he needs a safe space) rather than going hard on his policy.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

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@zaryia said:
@frank_castle said:

LOL

Holy hell

You actually have the balls to constantly call out Fox and independent reporters like James O'Keefe, but then you constantly use CNN and The New York Times as your sources.

Oh teh ironing

Are you fucking with me right now?

Those CNN and NYT articles I used have valid sources and citation. You can't refute them. O'Keefe uses edit clips and has been sued or proven wrong endlessly. He is not sourced in any legitimate news story.

Is this really the kind of person I have to debate with. Why do you make this so easy?

Feel free to prove any of this wrong with links,

1. Extra bullshity by literally telling more lies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

2. It's not working. Most people think it's hurting his agenda. This includes some of the top Republicans. Trump Care, which was the major discussion at the time of this new tweet storm, is DEAD in the water.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/29/fox-news-poll-voters-say-trumps-tweets-hurting-agenda.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/lawmakers-react-trump-tweet-joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski-morning-joe/index.html

3. So the President is using childish internet forum or XBL trolling tactics by constantly lying and acting like a buffoon. I think we all know whose acting like a clown. It's no wonder the whole world is laughing at Trump. He's going after the "unfair" press (lol he needs a safe space) rather than going hard on his policy.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

I think the media would go easier on him if he didn't behave like a baboon, major campaign promises weren't dying, and several agencies weren't investigating his campaign. These are NOT things typical media would ever ignore for ANY president. For example Jake Tapper goes after president's when they tell factually untrue things. Trump does this every other day, what do you want him to do? If the CBO return comes back piss poor, what do you want them to do? Lie about it like Fox does? If things are factually going poorly, they are not going to report rainbows and daises.....

It seems like they are going after Trump to far right people, to everyone else it's reporting on whats happening. What's happening just isn't very good since January. Not their fault.

Now you're using fuckhead Jake Tapper as a reliable source?

The dumbass who just yesterday thought that a Venezuelan soccer player was a U.S. troop, even re-tweeting the picture? On what planet does that look like a U.S. military uniform? The dumbass got trolled and didn't even realize it. Seems to be a common theme with the jackasses on CNN.

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@frank_castle said:
@zaryia said:
@frank_castle said:

LOL

Holy hell

You actually have the balls to constantly call out Fox and independent reporters like James O'Keefe, but then you constantly use CNN and The New York Times as your sources.

Oh teh ironing

Are you fucking with me right now?

Those CNN and NYT articles I used have valid sources and citation. You can't refute them. O'Keefe uses edit clips and has been sued or proven wrong endlessly. He is not sourced in any legitimate news story.

Is this really the kind of person I have to debate with. Why do you make this so easy?

Feel free to prove any of this wrong with links,

1. Extra bullshity by literally telling more lies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

2. It's not working. Most people think it's hurting his agenda. This includes some of the top Republicans. Trump Care, which was the major discussion at the time of this new tweet storm, is DEAD in the water.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/29/fox-news-poll-voters-say-trumps-tweets-hurting-agenda.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/lawmakers-react-trump-tweet-joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski-morning-joe/index.html

3. So the President is using childish internet forum or XBL trolling tactics by constantly lying and acting like a buffoon. I think we all know whose acting like a clown. It's no wonder the whole world is laughing at Trump. He's going after the "unfair" press (lol he needs a safe space) rather than going hard on his policy.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

I think the media would go easier on him if he didn't behave like a baboon, major campaign promises weren't dying, and several agencies weren't investigating his campaign. These are NOT things typical media would ever ignore for ANY president. For example Jake Tapper goes after president's when they tell factually untrue things. Trump does this every other day, what do you want him to do? If the CBO return comes back piss poor, what do you want them to do? Lie about it like Fox does? If things are factually going poorly, they are not going to report rainbows and daises.....

It seems like they are going after Trump to far right people, to everyone else it's reporting on whats happening. What's happening just isn't very good since January. Not their fault.

Now you're using fuckhead Jake Tapper as a reliable source?

The dumbass who just yesterday thought that a Venezuelan soccer player was a U.S. troop, even re-tweeting the picture? On what planet does that look like a U.S. military uniform? The dumbass got trolled and didn't even realize it. Seems to be a common theme with the jackasses on CNN.

You didn't disprove any of my links. You went completely off topic about a completely irrelevant tweet that has nothing to do with news articles or reporting.

Please at least attempt to debate like someone intelligent.

Whats with the far right posters at this site and not knowing how to debate at all?

P.S. This is a bit off-topic, so you do not have to do it: But Also feel free to refute any of Tapper's actual reporting and articles with proper sourcing/citation.

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#122 Master_Live
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He just keeps winning.

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#123 Master_Live
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Also, I want to share something here for posterity: I think President's Trump chances of re-election grow considerably as long as the perception of the state of the economy improves. I just wanted to write it so I could quote myself in 2 years.

Rephrasing Carville: "(It is) the economy, stupid". But according to many lefties here in OT he has a 0% chance.

Now continue with the regularly scheduled program ------------->

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@Master_Live said:

He just keeps winning.

I saw plenty of coverage on the damning CBO report, even a few hours ago. Especially on his tweet about repeal but no replace.

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@zaryia said:
@Master_Live said:

He just keeps winning.

I saw plenty of coverage on the damning CBO report, even a few hours ago. Especially on his tweet about repeal but no replace.

Ditto, although I've learned that such comments are not directed to me (as I read far more than I watch, and written news coverage is significantly different than that of TV news coverage).

I'm not sure what medium you gravitate towards for news, but perhaps you're in a similar "outsider" situation to me?

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@zaryia said:
@Master_Live said:

He just keeps winning.

I saw plenty of coverage on the damning CBO report, even a few hours ago. Especially on his tweet about repeal but no replace.

Silver is mainly talking about the new bills McConnell sent to be scored by the CBO. The key is proportionality. And I didn't say the media hasn't covered the CBO score at all. Anything that prevents the Republicans from feeling the full brunt of their decisions is a small victory.

And now we have the whole Trump re-tweeting of the CNN gif. Beautiful.

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@Master_Live said:
@zaryia said:
@Master_Live said:

He just keeps winning.

I saw plenty of coverage on the damning CBO report, even a few hours ago. Especially on his tweet about repeal but no replace.

Silver is mainly talking about the new bills McConnell sent to be scored by the CBO. The key is proportionality. And I didn't say the media hasn't covered the CBO score at all. Anything that prevents the Republicans from feeling the full brunt of their decisions is a small victory.

Certainly not a victory for the country. Politicians should always feel the full brunt of their decisions.

Unless you are heavily involved in the cancerous party politics that is.

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Lets do 24 more on this:

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Although it was mentioned last, it needs to be addressed first. Are you in an actual position of determining such a position or did you offer nothing hyperbole considering you mentioned the Gold H2O rule? His well-known behavior and "diarrhea" of the mouth propelled him to a victory in November yet certain people act shocked when he uses such an approach.

The symbiotic relation between the media and government has become alarming perverse since GWB was in office and it continued with BHO and appears to have come to a head with Trump. The media has grown accustomed to using "insert politician here" as a defenseless whipping boy who is required to take whatever is said about him regardless of validity and now they are taken aback when he doesn't offer a contrition.

Over thirty years ago people were saying the exact same thing about Reagan (similar to what you hit on when it comes to Trump and a crisis) and quite frankly, if my friends on the left had any validity we should have either started, been involved or now experiencing a nuclear winter thanks to Trump. Every day it is doom and gloom with these people but the specific consonant following their name somehow harbors an ignorance dealing with our past leaders and past histories.

Before you pull ageism into this to support your points, perhaps those oh so wise and knowledgeable among us ignoramuses can provide precedent for someone like Trump? I'll save you the trouble....there is none. This guy is on another level entirely in his behavior and the degree he deems suitable to act as he has over such petty grievances from any president we've ever had.

How is Trump being a "whipping boy" for being called out for his own lies? Do you value the truth less than the right of liars to strike back at those who would expose it? Is his bullshit something you're going to fail to acknowledge in your blind partisanship in condemning those who have the gall to reveal it while excusing those who would create it? How about you place some responsibility where it lay? That you can only stand in Trump's defense while ignoring the fact that those who attack him (while snidely) are only mocking him for his own pathetic attempts to satiate his own vanity in fabrication is revealing enough. This is why Trump is angered and has struck back.....he is being exposed as the sad fraud he truly is, and something everyone that has stood against him has understood from day fucking 1. As much of a propagator of the "FAKE NEWS" he so loves to deride, in its most genuine and unabashed form, instead of some noble crusader for journalistic integrity and truth as he loves to be viewed as and as his followers tout. It is already a lost cause for those who could in anyway condone this behavior from anyone, much less a "president". I've honestly seen more maturity from children, and it is precisely many of those children who will unfortunately suffer in their upbringing at the hands of parents who would raise them viewing this as an acceptable example to be set.

You dismiss my concern for Trump's character as hyperbole predicated on the past. This is the present, and Trump stands far distanced from any president in recent history in his antics and judgement. We are in new territory with this man. It is foolish, naive, and disingenuous to write off the possibility of dire consequences stemming from whatever is driving Trump's current behavior by attempting to pull history into contrast when there has been no precedent like this, in addition to falling back on the Goldwater rule so as to be able to absolve Trump of his actions from what appears to be his true nature. Just because people are required to arm-chair diagnose Trump doesn't mean there isn't something seriously questionable about his decisions and mindset.

As you and I have noted prior, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....