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— Intermarium 24 (@intermarium24) February 17, 2023
@uninspiredcup: what a trash article. Expect nothing less from Rolling Stone but still.
It's exactly what I said to you, and repeated multiple times on the forum, which you acted out due to direct influence from such sources, under the guise of being knowledgeable, but actually doing exactly what you were conditioned to do.
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@uninspiredcup said:
They did want to take all of Ukraine, the first thing they done was attempt at blitzkrieg to the capitol to replace it with a puppet government. It was a disaster.
Secondly, in your post you use a derogatory tone for Ukraine "begging" like it's vermin. Seen this repeatedly.
It's a mentality Tucker Calrson, Fox News and other right-wing sources (e.g. Nigal Farage) want to imbue into their audience to dehumanize and denigrate them. Specifically to erode support. Those people aren't news, they are propaganda, with a narrative.
It's also an argument that ignores that Russia is having major problems with arm and equipment, with they themselves stagnant losing a chunk of land, and making almost no progress at huge losses since. And this isn't speculation, we now have many examples. Even changing the type of ammunitions' they are using. Recruiting prisoners as fodder. Sending out people untrained with a era WW2 gun etc...
Ultimately the question of supporting Ukraine is ethical, at the expense of ourselves. This is why bros like Tucker and right-wing folks, try to remove that aspect. You are to view them at rats stealing your cheese. Only care about yourself. YOU COME FIRST! etc...
The argument of "peace" usually translates as "let Russia win", after leveling cities, mass murdering and raping their people and attempting to remove their identity as a people.
The argument also falls flat on its face when take into account ------- it's Russia. lol
And that it will save life's also false flat as Ukraine will not submit, even at the expense of death. We saw this in the opening days of the war where they were about to take on a 40 mile line of tanks with Molotov, which would have been suicide.
Nor should they either.
Russia should leave, people should be prosecuted and Russia should be paying reparation's. That's, the ideal outcome.
An even better outcome would be if both Russia and Ukraine were reformed. Especially Russia, that's the worse country as that is actually a threat.
The likelihood of this happening is slim. But at the same time to be blunt - **** Russia, they deserve nothing. They should get nothing. It's also makes us look weak, and can give them further ideas in the future.
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@sargentd said:
Cup, you post a lot of emotion. It is war.
What is war? If not dead bodies? It's no different than any other war in the world. Your surprised by corpses in War? Dead people? Missing body parts?
Thats what comes with war.
This is not something they magically found or made up, it's an accurate description that's fairly transparent. Don't need to be Columbo.
These people straight up support Russia, Russia knows this, and attempts to propagate masses of bot farms and influencers to appeal to their ideals to make them more complicate.
Explicitly, the right. Republicans especially. Because America is the main threat.
And it works. Unfortunately.
More upset are Zelenskyy wearing casual wear than Russia going on mass rape torture sprees.
They are literally resorting to Chinese propaganda now.
Without apparently bothering to check the source.
To discredit and smear Ukraine in Congress, Matt Gaetz cited Chinese propaganda without even knowing it. He has to be the dumbest man in Congress. Seriously, I would pick George Santos over this guy for my pub trivia team. pic.twitter.com/nltcoS9m6H
@sargentd: You need to understand that this war isn't over before Russia retreats. Russia started it, Russia can end it tonight if they want to.
After the no-surprising leak of wanting to take over Belarus and Moldova, I hope people realise that Russia won't stop unless forced to.
Ukraine is not a part of NATO for a reason. Everybody knew it would be reckless to let an ex Soviet state on Russia's border join NATO. That is specifically the thing Russia has openly feared and spoken out about. It puts NATO in a shitty situation of having to be involved if anything happened between Russia and Ukraine. That's why Ukraine was never accepted into NATO.
Now that this invasion is happening NATO is throwing billions at Ukraine in weaponry. Any talk of peace talks is seen as (Putin sympathizers)
Ukraine was interested in peace talks before Borris Johnson fucked it all up. All we are doing is escalation. It's all escalation. Russia will not stop because we throw billions in weaponry at Ukraine. This will cause them to dig thier heels in. Russia is not going to turn around because NATO throws billions in weapons to Ukraine.
The US government and NATO does not give a shit about Ukraine or it's people. This is seen as a strategic economic opportunity. They will fund this proxy war for money and natural resources. They don't give a damn about the people dying in it.
Ukraine is going to end up being crater. Hopefully we don't all get pulled into a WW3 from this escalation.
I mean really think about it.. Russia has been freaking out about a bordering ex Soviet country like Ukraine joining NATO for decades. We tell them we aren't letting them join don't worry.
Then we end up throwing billions in weapons to Ukraine to fight Russia. The whole point of not letting Ukraine join NATO was that would put us at risk of being in a direct war with Russia.
NATOs response is clear, they are asking for direct conflict with Russia. What's fucked up is NATO arming Ukraine is justifying Putin's fucking bitching about NATO encroaching on Russia.
This is escalation, NATO isn't doing anything to de escalate. Anyone asking for de escalation is slandered.
@sargentd: Russia is the main reason countries wants to join NATO. Russia is imperialistic and seeks to restore historical Russian borders. If they take over control of Ukraine they end up with more borders against NATO countries.
If Russia truly wanted Ukraine as a buffer state between themselves and NATO, improving trade and public relations should be a lot higher up on the list than it is today.
I just ignored these Russian arguments now. Not even worth engaging. No reasoning with these people, they are programmed to be a parrot. Engage with them give them credibility.
Good rule of thumb, the thing Russian bots farm (and right-wingers concentrate on directed by the Kremlin backers) is the thing that threatens Russia the most.
In this case, arming Ukraine and Zelenskyy himself, oddly.
When this began they expected to take Ukraine in 3 days, it's government to crumble. With their own puppet government installed, with a sham referendum where it suddenly opts wholly to be Russian again.
They did not in their wildest dreams expect multiple countries on mass to arm them or for Zelenskyy to be a name known far and wide. The West has definitely done their own propaganda with Zelenskyy amplifying the idea of the heroic underdog fighting a superior fascist force. Aside from negative propaganda spammed by Russia itself, which Republicans eat up and regurgitate, they tried to kill him multiple times now.
When look at it on paper the amount of darts Russia has thrown out for justification it's laughable.
We are fighting Nazis. Who are woke, threating family values.
The West is backing them, it's not fair anymore. Even though we haven't even started yet, and could easily take them out.
We will Nuke the West, take over bla bla bla. Why you Russiaphobia? Trying to destroy us? I mean, yea, we've done a shit ton of war crimes.
Biolabs? Satanists? Bla bla? Bla bla bleh bleh? Bleh bleh bla? Bla?
Just crap to muddle a very, super simple thing. It was opportunistic conquest gone awry. That's it. Beginning and end of it. With horrible crimes attached.
Everything else is damage control. Only reason right-wingers and Republics jump aboard isn't because of anything ethical, they are the opposite of that. It's what Russia is using to appeal to them, and praying for, apathy.
In regards to NATO Russia really shit the bed. In past decade before this invasion people in Europe had started to ask the question: does NATO have a purpose any longer? In one action Russia made NATO relevant again and Europeans to see the value of NATO.
Had Russia waited for a decade or two, NATO could've crumbled on its own. Though, Putin would probably have died before that, so I can see why he was in such a hurry.
Note the lack of Russia in this picture. Them going on mass murder sprees. Castrating men. Keeping teenage girls in basements and raping them until pregnant. Killing civilians on mass and dumping on the road like they rained from the sky. Reshaping cities they destroyed into Russian proxy cities on the corpes below.
What you posted is propaganda exploiting meme culture to diminish (literally everything) they have done with redirection and whataboutism. Where it actually isn't the same thing. And even several of the examples posted, Russia was involved in.
Twitter is full of pro Russia Indian accounts aside from masses of bot farms, that indirectly influence them. Not all, but the majority. Where they genuinely do hate you, me, our countries, want to see us fall. And Russia win. If Russia attacked us, guess who they would cheer and defend?
I hate to say it, but turning out to be a really good example of their propaganda in motion.
But yea, from now on just ignoring this shit. It's nonsense. Even replying to it gives it credibility.
That's the idea of these, doesn't matter what's fact and what's not, how ridiculous, throw out as many darts as they can to muddy the waters. Blur it.
Note the lack of Russia in this picture. Them going on mass murder sprees. Castrating men. Keeping teenage girls in basements and raping them until pregnant. Killing civilians on mass and dumping on the road like they rained from the sky. Reshaping cities they destroyed into Russian proxy cities on the corpuses below.
What you posted is propaganda exploiting meme culture to diminish (literally everything) they have done with redirection and whataboutism. Where it actually isn't the same thing. And even several of the examples posted, Russia was involved in.
Twitter is full of pro Russia Indian accounts aside from masses of bot farms, that indirectly influence them. Not all, but the majority. Where they genuinely do hate you, me, our countries, want to see us fall. And Russia win. If Russia attacked us, guess who they would cheer and defend?
I hate to say it, but turning out to be a really good example of their propaganda in motion.
@sargentd said:
Sad
Bro I'm not defending Russia's invasion. But you need to recognize that Ukraine is not a part of NATO. And NATO supplying Ukraine with billions in weaponry that even dwarfs Russia's millitary spending is funding a proxy war against Russia and using Ukrainians to do it. This is not about saving Ukraine. It's about taking an opportunity to hurt Russia and using Ukrainian bodies instead of our own.
This is an economic war. Strategic. It's not about stopping Russians from raping people in basements and your weird unhinged emotional takes where you just list horrible shit and call any contrary opinion to your own Russian propaganda.
Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov claims the war was launched against Russia and the audience explodes with laughter. Credit to @FridaGhitispic.twitter.com/w3MY0DBE7V
— Saint Javelin (@saintjavelin) March 3, 2023And this is an Indian audience by the way.
🇷🇺📺 Strange situation where someone on Russian state TV is talking with sense. Karen Shakhnazarov suggests that #Russia should acknowledge the possibility of losing.#UkraineWar#Ukrainian#Ukraine️#RussiaTerroistState#RussiaIsCollapsing#RussianTVpic.twitter.com/CkzkAK9HjU
Been rumblings of problems with Prigozhin's Wagner and Russia. And this more or less confirms it. Talks about losing, curruption, and an extreme shortage of equipment doubling down on the importance of the terror group Wagner.
Prigozhin today is once again seen explaining how invaluable Wagner is for Russia, and how retreating from Bakhmut will lead to the collapse of the whole Russian front.
Also appears to be hinting at the fact that his mercenaries might find it rather unpleasant if they suspect… https://t.co/olPW7qtL3Zpic.twitter.com/2rKdR1nD1b
Horrific video shows Ukrainian POW taking one last drag from a cigarette and saying 'glory to Ukraine' before being 'executed by Russian troops' as Kyiv slams 'heinous war crime'
Ukraine's foreign minister urged International Criminal Court to probe footage
It's 'imperative' International Criminal Court 'launches immediate investigation'
READ MORE: Putin won't live long enough to see end of war, TV pundit fears
A horrific video showed a Ukrainian prisoner of war taking one last drag from a cigarette and saying 'glory to Ukraine' before being 'executed by Russian troops' as Kyiv slammed the 'heinous war crime'.
Ukraine's foreign minister urged the International Criminal Court on Monday to probe footage circulating on social media that he said showed Russian forces killing a Ukrainian prisoner of war.
'Horrific video of an unarmed Ukrainian POW executed by Russian forces merely for saying 'Glory to Ukraine'. Another (piece of) proof this war is genocidal,' Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba wrote on social media.
Kuleba said it was 'imperative' that International Criminal Court Prosecutor Karim Khan 'launches an immediate ICC investigation into this heinous war crime'.
'Perpetrators must face justice,' he added.
He was referring to what appears to be amateur footage of a detained combatant standing in a shallow trench, wearing camouflage and smoking a cigarette, being shot to death with automatic weapons after saying 'glory to Ukraine'.
It could not be independently verified where or when the footage was filmed or whether it showed - as some Ukrainian officials and social media users suggested - a Ukrainian prisoner of war being shot.
The phrase spoken by the alleged detained Ukrainian soldier was trending on social media and senior officials in Kyiv blamed Russian forces and called for justice to be served.
Moscow and Kyiv have on several occasions accused the other side of killing prisoners in the year since Russia invaded Ukraine.
The Wagner mercenary group spearheading Russia's assault on Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine is largely comprised of Russian men recruited from prisons throughout the country.
Forum design is so bad now can't even post Twitter stuff.
Like it's in competition with itself to be the worst designed forum humanly possible.
Note that I cut this video because of how gruesome the end of it is, but Americans need to see how inhumane and monstrous the Russians are in Ukraine.
This brave Ukrainian soldier stood unarmed next to multiple Russian Soldiers. He said "Glory to Ukraine," as he took a drag of… https://t.co/aDv1F9Ono9pic.twitter.com/wEiVOWIhIk
— Brian Krassenstein (@krassenstein) March 6, 2023
Russian propagandist Skabeyeva says that some restaurants in Great Britain started serving squirrels because of the food shortage in the country. She implies that all the money went towards weapons for Ukraine, and now Britons must eat squirrels. pic.twitter.com/CW9TKgPrm4
— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) March 7, 2023
I thought people whose job it is to report political incidents would realize that most weapons developed are but a fraction of our total GDP, and most weapons are already lying around to begin with. And only now are we started to send in actual modern stuff.
And Squirrels have been a niche part of British cousine for a long time. Mostly due to the grey squirrel's status as an invasive species.
@sargentd: Most people would argue that Russia escalated when they invaded Ukraine, or even when they illegally annexed Crimea. NATO are not supplying Ukraine with weapons - not even Russia is suggesting that. Member states are providing support and arms precisely because Ukraine won’t get any military support from NATO - quite rightly.
Putin can end this war tomorrow by withdrawing. Ukraine can also end it by capitulating….I know which would lead to a more stable future for everybody on the planet except the people supporting the war by Russia.
I thought people whose job it is to report political incidents would realize that most weapons developed are but a fraction of our total GDP, and most weapons are already lying around to begin with. And only now are we started to send in actual modern stuff.
And Squirrels have been a niche part of British cousine for a long time. Mostly due to the grey squirrel's status as an invasive species.
Wait what? They actually eat squirrel? Just when I thought their food couldn't be any worse.
I thought people whose job it is to report political incidents would realize that most weapons developed are but a fraction of our total GDP, and most weapons are already lying around to begin with. And only now are we started to send in actual modern stuff.
And Squirrels have been a niche part of British cousine for a long time. Mostly due to the grey squirrel's status as an invasive species.
Wait what? They actually eat squirrel? Just when I thought their food couldn't be any worse.
It is rare. But it does happen. Basically because of their status as an invasive species, they have no legal protections... at all.
So you do find the occasional anecdote of someone eating squirrels, then Russia takes a few rare incidents and tries to play it as being more common than it really is. With Brexit driving up food prices, grey squirrels have been preyed upon by some. Others also eat them for environmental concerns, due to the damage they do to the ecosystem.
Hey everyone in America! We are off the hook! Russia thinks that London is the mastermind behind Russia starting a needless war and then destroying their own economy and military while suffering a complete geopolitical & strategic defeat in every way.pic.twitter.com/6z1l16tlZX
I thought people whose job it is to report political incidents would realize that most weapons developed are but a fraction of our total GDP, and most weapons are already lying around to begin with. And only now are we started to send in actual modern stuff.
And Squirrels have been a niche part of British cousine for a long time. Mostly due to the grey squirrel's status as an invasive species.
Wait what? They actually eat squirrel? Just when I thought their food couldn't be any worse.
It is rare. But it does happen. Basically because of their status as an invasive species, they have no legal protections... at all.
So you do find the occasional anecdote of someone eating squirrels, then Russia takes a few rare incidents and tries to play it as being more common than it really is. With Brexit driving up food prices, grey squirrels have been preyed upon by some. Others also eat them for environmental concerns, due to the damage they do to the ecosystem.
Squirrel meat is good in a stew but I've never been served it in a restaurant. Not uncommon.
The most popular stuff to hunt where I am is white tail, squirrel, rabbit, and turkey and some bird hunt pheasant or quail.
To the surprise of no one (well, expect maga), trump admits that he would have given away Ukraine to putin.
"I could have negotiated. At worst, I could have made a deal to take over something, you know, there are certain areas that are Russian speaking areas, right, like, but you could have worked a deal."
Donald Trump: I’d have let Putin annex part of Ukraine to end the war
To the surprise of no one (well, expect maga), trump admits that he would have given away Ukraine to putin.
"I could have negotiated. At worst, I could have made a deal to take over something, you know, there are certain areas that are Russian speaking areas, right, like, but you could have worked a deal."
Donald Trump: I’d have let Putin annex part of Ukraine to end the war
Which would have done nothing but move the war somewhere else. Trump would only have made the world a worse play. Of course, Ukraine would NEVER agree. So he wouldnt have achieved anything. I think he is forgetting that Ukraine is a sovereign nation.
Which would have done nothing but move the war somewhere else. Trump would only have made the world a worse play. Of course, Ukraine would NEVER agree. So he wouldnt have achieved anything. I think he is forgetting that Ukraine is a sovereign nation.
I don't think Trump consider Ukraine a country since they wouldn't dig up dirt on Joe Biden's son.
Good, continue to have a bad time. Even straight up admits (while crying about it) how they wasted it firing indiscriminately.
"We have no rounds!" Yury Mezinov, a "A Just Russia" party functionary from the Rostov region, claims the shortage of ammunition in the Russian army is felt along the whole frontline. He believes it is sabotage as he cannot find another explanation. pic.twitter.com/tRQNA6Z3Sz
@horgen: Yea, unless this is some magnificent big brained ruse, more than a strong suggestion here Russia is in serous trouble with it's resources.
The propaganda and pro-Russian accounts can't claim this is propaganda when it's coming straight from their own army. Which they of course, purposefully ignore.
Multiple video's of Russians begging for resources. Like, dozens and dozens of them, entire groups. Along with videos of Ukraine capturing them and revealing they don't even have basic equipment. A lot of them stealing stuff like shoes from Ukraine homes. And now you got the head of Wagner himself in panic.
Pro-Russians (i.e. MAGAS) like to say "ah, but Russia can still attack with shells thought they would run out!" after a large scale attack.
But the actual shelling Russia has been doing compared to the start is almost nothing. It was something like 20/1 when the war started in their favor. It's greatly diminished.
Whereas Ukraine continues to get support and gets stronger. Which I would imagine is why bot farms have been going crazy lately even by their usual bot farm standard spamming and practically begging The West to stop sending them weapons'.
The whole "peace" shtick is just a rephrasing of "let Russia take what they can get". Almost entirely the MAGA base type folk that buy into that shit.
@horgen: Yea, unless this is some magnificent big brained ruse, more than a strong suggestion here Russia is in serous trouble with it's resources.
The propaganda and pro-Russian accounts can't claim this is propaganda when it's coming straight from their own army. Which they of course, purposefully ignore.
Multiple video's of Russians begging for resources. Like, dozens and dozens of them, entire groups. Along with videos of Ukraine capturing them and revealing they don't even have basic equipment. A lot of them stealing stuff like shoes from Ukraine homes. And now you got the head of Wagner himself in panic.
Pro-Russians (i.e. MAGAS) like to say "ah, but Russia can still attack with shells thought they would run out!" after a large scale attack.
But the actual shelling Russia has been doing compared to the start is almost nothing. It was something like 20/1 when the war started in their favor. It's greatly diminished.
Whereas Ukraine continues to get support and gets stronger. Which I would imagine is why bot farms have been going crazy lately even by their usual bot farm standard spamming and practically begging The West to stop sending them weapons'.
The whole "peace" shtick is just a rephrasing of "let Russia take what they can get". Almost entirely the MAGA base type folk that buy into that shit.
It was bound to go down when Russia went in as hard as they did.
I do wonder who of them will last longest. Russia can throw more manpower at the war, but Ukraine got better motivated soldiers.
The propaganda works. MAGA still seems to hold way to much power over GOP.
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