War in Ukraine. Did the West handle the post Cold War era badly?

They are worrying.

Can't be Russian propagandist without large amounts of hypocrisy.

Can't be a propagandist of any kind without large amounts of hypocrisy.

He replied to it in English.

True.

Seems like a nice and caring dad. :P

@horgen: Love how his initial response is like a kid on Xboxlive

Jay = Gay

@uninspiredcup: It's a timeless and classic insult. :P

Russia really gotta sort them windows.

@uninspiredcup: How come falling out a window is such a common method in Russia?

Dangerous windows.

Ukraine is met with overwhelming public support in Norway.

@Maroxad: Norway has budget for 15 billion nok kr a year for the next five years in supporting Ukraine. I think there is talk about sending 8 leopard tanks to them as well.

I usually disagree with this Mitch McConnell guy, but it's interesting to see he was on Fox News asking for bipartisan support for further funding to Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1626244170917478400?s=46&t=jp6RifESXU_KohLWT5O7Ew

This is one thing I don’t find surprising.

Two of the worlds greatest minds.

@uninspiredcup: Just in time for Biden's visit to Kyiv. Gotta distract with vatniks somehow, even steven seagal will do, lol.

Was nice of them.

I wonder if US would retaliate against an attack at their president. I really do.

@horgen: Our president? Yes.

For all their bluster Russia would be shit scared for this too happen.

At the same time, they are kind of stupid. Let's be honest.

Putin's speech starts now, this twitter thread is translating it.

At the time of posting this, the twitter thread is being updated, as the speech progresses.

Edit: People are right now falling asleep listening to his speech. I hope these people will be all right.

Damn, putin looks wrinkled as ****, must have run out of botox in ruzzia due to all the sanctions.

Oh so now it is the west that started this war. Not Russia invading another country.

Meanwhile Trump's doing his car salesman thing that tricks dummies.

@rmpumper: I think it's less "not having access to botox" and more "not enough botox in the universe." Every day proves Putin, and by extension the vatniks who continue to cheer him on, as fools. He can't possibly be handling that very well, and it's not going to get better once the Abrams tanks get there.

I wonder how this will impact foreign relations with Belarus. Who have until recently been a Staunch Russian ally.

Edit: As for why I linked Richard Garriott's tweet instead of just the article? Because Richard Garriott is one of the most important PC game developers of all time.

If the Belarusians don't hang batka over it, they deserve to be part of Mordor. Decades of western diplomacy drying to establish a democracy in Belarus, which it's citizens claim to want, all for nothing.

Belarus wouldn't put up a fight anyway I think. Not with the current leader.

If Ukraine was winning they wouldn't be begging constantly for money and weaponry from other nations. Most of us in America know Ukraine isn't winning. We also know this is America's war. It's all about the military industrial complex.

@sargentd: Russia wants Soviet 2.0 in terms of landmass.

I don't think they even want to take all of Ukraine. Probably just eastern.

Most likely that's what's going to happen *shrug*

Unless Russia have an ace up their sleeve, Russia is likely going to lose this war, and with it. Ukraine will take back Crimea. Ukraine are nearing their war goals. Russia, are moving further and furhter away from them.

Edit: As for your garbage YT video

1. Nigel Farage? Seriously?!? Does anyone even take him seriously after how badly Brexit ended up?
2. Muh "Western Media" rhetoric
3. Russia are running low on shells just as bad, if not worse. considering they now have to beg for North Korea and Iran for munitions.
4. Muh "Hunter Biden" rhetoric
5. Asserts the second impeachment of trump had anything to do with Ukraine (no it was the coup attempt)

As for his munitions argument. Ukraine's western allies have the means to manufacture more armaments, Russia doesn't due to all the sanctions.

China and India are still friendly with Russia. China at least can manufacture military equipment as well. Dunno how well India does it.

They did want to take all of Ukraine, the first thing they done was attempt at blitzkrieg to the capitol to replace it with a puppet government. It was a disaster.

Secondly, in your post you use a derogatory tone for Ukraine "begging" like it's vermin. Seen this repeatedly.

It's a mentality Tucker Calrson, Fox News and other right-wing sources (e.g. Nigal Farage) want to imbue into their audience to dehumanize and denigrate them. Specifically to erode support. Those people aren't news, they are propaganda, with a narrative.

It's also an argument that ignores that Russia is having major problems with arm and equipment, with they themselves stagnant losing a chunk of land, and making almost no progress at huge losses since. And this isn't speculation, we now have many examples. Even changing the type of ammunitions' they are using. Recruiting prisoners as fodder. Sending out people untrained with a era WW2 gun etc...

Ultimately the question of supporting Ukraine is ethical, at the expense of ourselves. This is why bros like Tucker and right-wing folks, try to remove that aspect. You are to view them at rats stealing your cheese. Only care about yourself. YOU COME FIRST! etc...

The argument of "peace" usually translates as "let Russia win", after leveling cities, mass murdering and raping their people and attempting to remove their identity as a people.

The argument also falls flat on its face when take into account ------- it's Russia. lol

And that it will save life's also false flat as Ukraine will not submit, even at the expense of death. We saw this in the opening days of the war where they were about to take on a 40 mile line of tanks with Molotov, which would have been suicide.

Nor should they either.

Russia should leave, people should be prosecuted and Russia should be paying reparation's. That's, the ideal outcome.

An even better outcome would be if both Russia and Ukraine were reformed. Especially Russia, that's the worse country as that is actually a threat.

The likelihood of this happening is slim. But at the same time to be blunt - **** Russia, they deserve nothing. They should get nothing. It's also makes us look weak, and can give them further ideas in the future.

This in itself, is def a repercussion of Crimea where they just waltzed in. They expected this again and instead got head-locked. With the evil UN globalists who PUSHED THEM INTO IT! :D!!!!!!! Instead of doing nothing, actively fucking them.

something I saw today that bothered me. Because it's true. And it's being said by the damn CCP, which I don't like. Much like I dont like Russia government either. Thier laws and customs pretty backwards from freedom in both China and Russia.

But this statement is true

And it honestly makes me sick to my stomach.

As much as I do love my country. I absolutely fucking hate that this is true.

I get you care about Ukraine a lot. But my own country has invaded and done way more damage that than that dump of a country Russia ever has. It's like you guys expect me to freak out about Russia having a border dispute with one of their ex Soviet union border countries from 30 years ago. Bro do you see what my country is doing to Syria? Afghanistan? And it's fucked up because we end up dragging you guys in NATO around to help with this horseshit.

@sargentd: Comparing apples and oranges there. Ukraine asks for help.

Intense, and this is round the clock. Wasteland now thanks to Russia.

Nothing left of it. Just a shell now.

@uninspiredcup: If Russia wins, every destroyed building is more or less a statement. Don't oppose us, or we will ruin your country.

@sargentd: “A border dispute”?

Really?

What you’re saying here is that you won’t condemn Russia for invading Ukraine, but yet you condemn the US actions over the years.

Why is that? Is one not as bad as another?

If the US invaded another country tomorrow, killing thousands of people in the process, you can rest assured there’ll be a thread here discussing that invasion.

Need to think about what you’re saying.

I condemn Russia invasion of Ukraine. Where have I said I in anyway support it?

But I don't believe the US government should be funding this war. Neither Russia or Ukraine are US ally's. This is not our war.

Funding? We're giving Ukraine equipment that is being replaced anyway. We might as well allow use of it.

Some people liberated, from the border dispute. Where Russia protected itself from the UN and wokesters trying to destroy family values. And Nazis. And Biolabs. And satanists.

(UN's fault Russia was forced to do this)

Example of Russian bot farms.

https://www.businessinsider.com/congress-explain-how-ukraine-military-aid-advances-us-interests-2023-1

Last month, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky became the first foreign wartime leader since Winston Churchill in December 1942 to address a joint session of the US Congress.

While he received a rousing standing ovation for his remarks and Biden has now signed a spending bill that includes $47 billion in additional support, it is now necessary for Congress to explain to the American people how US interests are being advanced by the nearly $100 billion we've given Ukraine to date, what this new support will be used for, and how we'll know if the money has been wisely spent.

First, let's examine what Ukraine got as a result of Zelensky's trip. The marquee capacity was Biden's formal announcement that the US Patriot air-defense system will be sent to Ukraine, along with over 200,000 rounds of artillery, rockets, and tank rounds.

While many in the US and Ukraine were excited about the Patriot announcement, it is important to understand what that one battery can and can't do.

This was not long after Russia launched its ninth round of strategic missile strikes against Ukraine's energy infrastructure since mid-October, crippling almost half of the country's electric generation.

Zelensky has been pleading for air defense from the United States and West almost since the beginning of the war. In the past months, however, the West has been more than generous, providing large numbers of modern air-defense systems. The question: does adding this Patriot battery represent a game-changer for Ukraine? The honest short answer: no.

A Patriot battery ordinarily operates as part of an integrated defense system which may include numerous US and NATO systems. A battery requires a staff of 90 personnel, which will typically need 90 days of training before they can go into operation. A single battery, however, can generally defend a single point target.

It is possible for a battery to defend a large portion of, say, the capital city of Kyiv, but even then, not the entire city. As exposed in 2019 when the Saudi-operated Patriot system failed to stop a complex aerial attack from Iran, the system is not fool-proof even when operational.

The reality is that some number of months from now a single Patriot will go into operation at a selected location in Ukraine — but otherwise won't change any dynamics of existing Ukrainian anti-missile capabilities

Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, commander of Ukraine's Armed Forces, said he needed at least 1,500 modern armored vehicles (including 300 tanks and 500 artillery pieces). During Zelensky's Washington speech,he added"I assure you that Ukrainian soldiers can perfectly operate American tanks and planes themselves."

The fact that Zelensky left Washington and Biden remained silent on sending more than one Patriot battery and no tanks, armored personnel carriers or hundreds of new artillery pieces is telling.

An analysis of what the United States and NATO are doing — and what they are not doing — makes it clear that our primary objective is indeed to avoid any direct clashes with Russia that all too easily could spiral into a nuclear conflict. That is the right course of action and I commend the White House for their considered restraint.

However, that leaves another question unaddressed: what is America's intended end state in this conflict and what is Congress' strategy regarding future support?

Including this most recent aid package, the US has spent over $100 billion on the war in Ukraine, which is$16 billion more than the entire Russian military budget for 2023. Congress owes it to the American people to explain how the expenditure of that much money for a non-treaty ally provides $100 billion worth of national security.

What does Congress expect that money to produce (in other words, what is the expected or hoped-for outcome)? How will we know if the money is a good investment — and what will Congress do in 2023?

These are not minor questions, because as we have seen from two decades of disastrous involvement in our own war in Afghanistan — where we squandered close to $2 trillion — Congress can often get carried away with the emotion of a situation. The stakes are too high to repeat that mistake with our support of Ukraine.

Before allocating another dollar in 2023, Congress should explain to the American people how this money advances vital national interests of our country. Or we need a new plan.

Cup, you post a lot of emotion. It is war.

What is war? If not dead bodies? It's no different than any other war in the world. Your surprised by corpses in War? Dead people? Missing body parts?

Thats what comes with war.