White Nationalist Rally at University of Virginia.

That did NOT belong to a statement that should have been made about the terrorism in Charlottesville that cost lives. All you're doing is being an apologist for this bad behavior. You and trump both.

You claimed I advocate violence against liberals. I'd like to see that because that's a serious accusation on these boards.

@JimB I agree.

I don't support any of these groups.

Absolutely that's the bottom line but we've seen it happening from the left (which is expected) and the right falling on the sword of politically correctness. As of yet I have not seen any political or media mouthpiece offer any sort of condemnation for the antifa schmucks.

I thought we were talking about BLM at Obama's white house and how apparently that started a divide.

Condemn both, but don't create a false equivalency.

@zaryia: You're right false equivalency is bad. Neo Nazis don't have any social or political power, making them inherently less dangerous than people of some other terrorist groups.

And yet one just killed a girl and injured many others with a car. Not what I'd consider a safe group.

@DaBrainz: You haven't been paying attention. The White House is now filled with these types while there hasn't been a successful left wing movement in the US since the 80's. America is a politically right-wing nation by any metric.

@LJS9502_basic: Yep we need to teach people that violence shouldn't be used to take out people with different views. We should all lead by example and hopefully prevent brainwashed 20 year old kids from losing their shit and hurting people.

Brainwashed you think? I don't think it takes much to tip some people to a cause. Look at trump......he locked up a lot of people merely by saying things they wanted to hear.

@perfect_blue: Yeah I don't buy that. We can't just go around calling everybody we disagree with a white supremacist. But I'm not going to have that argument because I am not in the business of defending Republicans.

Uhhh....Steve Bannon. Have you seen the planned immigration policy?

What negative thing have antifa or blm done with their political "power"?

Trump is once again blaming the "alt-left" for Charlottesville

Real Republicans need to stand up against this madness. GOP must do something!

Is that happening now?

I can understand a bit of push back on this during the election and when speaking of many Trump supporters. I actually didnt like when people did this or when most Trump voters were called "deplorables". Most were simply uninformed working class, wanting to have someone speak to them... but at this point, after everything we've seen between Trump, his cabinet and these events.... is it really a case of people calling others names simply because of a disagreement?

We don't see too many neo nazi's down here in Florida, but we see a shit ton of KKK members and supporters and you bet your ass they have social and political power.

I don't remember even remotely advocating that we "go around calling everybody we disagree with a white supremacist". If you're going to intentionally obfuscate and poison the well, what's the point in even discussing? The act is tiresome and intellectually dishonest.

CNN is unbelievable -- I've never seen outright anger from news anchors on television. It's like a scene from Network

He's unhinged and needs removed.

So Trump went back to the 'both sides are bad', bullshit now? He's essentially legitimizing white supremacists. For any other president this would be an easy win, just call the racists out and you're good to go. But he can't even do that correctly.

The divide started years ago with identity politics and has gotten worse over the years. My reference to Black Lives Matter was in response to Republicans being blamed for the divide.

I honestly don't know how we make it through another 3 1/2 years of Trump. CNN needs to publicly state he's a douche and move on to other news.

And again, why did this "divide" take place?

I wouldnt say it was the republicans who created the divide, rather the ideology of bigots that created... and did so far longer than "years ago", more like centuries.

It seems to me that the "divide" comes from people not being able to accept not having complete control. Its very similar to religious people and religious politicians/arguments. Gay marraige, there is no real reason for people to be opposed to it, but those who do attempted to equate other people having the same rights as them, to them being oppressed.

Back to the white house thing, this was not a generalized comment. It was you specifically noting a time and event that you feel matters in this "divide" thing. And my point was that the only time this happened was to promote something that no sane person should be against, regardless of political ideology (in fact growing up in a conservative area, if i am to go by rhetoric the conservatives should have been leading this charge). So any divide created or expanded with this event is solely due to someone taking issue with something they should not and then you conflating this issue to be something its not.

That's the point. And it's the point because that's his base.

And that's his base because he's a Republican, and the Alt-Right is part of the Republican party - apparently a larger part than we thought it was.

You know you had a bad press conference when David Duke thanks you.

That wasn't a thank you. Man you can't fucking read.

@n64dd: He's referring to an earlier post from Duke.

neither can you

"Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa". - David Duke eariler today.

Don't you have more shitty info wars trolling to do?

So now Trump is going back to the both sides thing again? Wow. Absolutely disgusting on his part.

The speech yesterday was read from a teleprompter......not Trump.

@LJS9502_basic: Yeah, most definitely.

There's no moral equivalence in these positions. One side stands on the side of righteousness while the other does not. The methods of those who counter protested are questionable, but their intentions and values towards what they are opposing are admirable and to be commended. You are criticizing those on the moral high ground taking a stand against those who reside in its bankruptcy and who are enveloped in hate. Again, all things being equal with both sides engaged in violence, those who are morally just are always in the right in utilizing it.

"One can not view when the actual violence occurred? You know damn well an honest and objective assessment can be made but doing so would halt an agenda."

I'll ask again: how can anyone on this board give an honest and objective assessment as to when the violence occurred or who initiated it? You full well know that's an impossibility and are leveraging that point to proclaim the furtherment of your agenda to grant the benefit of the doubt to fascists and human garbage, hiding behind the impossibility of proof to be able to do so. All we have is speculation as to when the violence began and who initiated it. That being the case (and it is, at least on these boards), I can easily tell you of which side I immediately default to. That you default to laying and implying fault at the feet of those who stand for what is morally just in the absence of any proof doesn't paint a very flattering picture.

The sooner Trump is impeached the better. Freaking nazis and a racist president....this crap is a bad videogame storyline

#BothSides

Nazis are bad

The KKK is bad

The Confederacy was bad and we should probably take down their monuments

Driving while black shouldn't be punishable by death

Extremist viewpoints from the radical alt-left. Yep, total moral equivalency between the dead girl and the Nazi who killed her. The dead chick was practically ISIS, guys.

I completely disagree with the KKK, neo nazis, and any other group that spouts hatred. But you have to be better than them. They win when they drag others down into this morass of violence and hatred. They want conflict, they want hatred, they want chaos. Rather than going down there with the intent of responding with hatred with hatred and violence with violence, I wish the counter protesters would respond with reason and peace.

I know you mean well but this view is so incredibly naive. Go tell that to a black person or a Jew, that they should respond with "reason and peace" to neo-Nazis and the KKK. It won't go over well. You obviously have no idea how it feels to be a minority or a target of these groups. Also, equating people defending themselves from Nazis as being just as bad as them is morally repugnant.

If Trump has taught us anything it's that certain people are not governed by reason.

Edit: To be clear, I agree that violence is counterproductive in most cases, including this one. But reasoning with these people won't help.

You need to go around them and use the political and legal levers of power at your disposal to put them down again. Force them to go back into the shadows in which they so recently resided.

It's tough. Part of me agrees with you, there has been too much hate and violence already. The other part of me really doesn't care if Nazis or white supremacists get a taste of their own medicine.

Neville Chamberlain had similar ideas on dealing with Nazis. Crack a history book to see how well that worked out. The only thing Nazis understand is a good ass kicking.

CNN is just establishing their position as a leftist media.

So you are pretty much justifying the violence by the alt-left and BLM . Nice.

Both extremists sides are insane and there is no justification for either side turning to killing , whether it´s cops or protesters

Enough with the moral equivalency BS. Nazis are the absolute scum of humanity, and anyone who apologizes for them is human garbage. I see no problem with using violence against people who advocate for murder and genocide. Proud grandson of a WW2 vet who killed lots of the evil bastards in Normandy and the Ardennes.

of course they are

Same goes for BLM and the far left .

Anyone apologises for them is like apologising for the far-right.

Extremists are extremists and it does not matter what you use to justify that kind of hatred.

Of course it does. The "far left" and BLM are merely responding to the hatred and defending themselves. Why are you against Americans trying to uphold your country's values defending themselves from domestic terrorists who oppose all that's good with America? Also, American history is littered with violence all over the place. Suddenly you guys are above it? lol ok

But it's no surprise you are defending Nazis and the KKK since you pretty much regurgitate whatever Herr Trump tells you and lack the capacity to think critically.

I love the apologising you are doing and nice attempt at protecting people who shoot cops and tries to rid the world of republican senators.

But i do hope you see your own argument can be used for both sides right.

Tho my hat off to you showing your true colours and that violence is ok as long as it's committed by the side you are on.

What are you talking about? There was no one shooting at cops or trying to "rid the world of republican senators" at Charlottesville. Those were two entirely different events that has nothing to do with fighting the KKK or neo-Nazis. Which this thread is about. Please don't change the topic or just don't bother replying to me if you're going off on irrelevant tangents.

I don't remember ever having stated "violence is ok as long as it's committed by the side you are on". Why do you and other idiots on this forum always have to lie and make up stuff? What I did say, and I'll explain slowly so your feeble brain understands, is that using violence to defend oneself is an American value, otherwise why have the second amendment. The KKK and Neo-nazis are inherently violent and initiated violence towards the counter protestors at Charlottesville.

Who is talking about at Charlottesville? I am talking about the movement's members.

After all you are not going to try to apologise your way out of that those facts are you?

And your previous post just said it was ok, and don't try to wiggle yourself out of that.

@perfect_blue said:"Of course it does. The "far left" and BLM are merely responding to the hatred and defending themselves. Why are you against Americans defending themselves from domestic terrorists?"

And again same goes for BLM movement and the far-left, they are inherently violent and advocate the exact same as the far-right.

This entire THREAD is about Charlottesville, and all the posts in it. It's really not hard to follow the discussion. I am okay with people defending themselves - the counter protesters at Charlottesville didn't initiate violence they were defending themselves. There is a difference between initiating violence and doing it to defend your life - if you can't understand this, I don't know what else to say.

I'm not a member of BLM or the "far-left" (whatever that is), but no, they are not at all the "exact same" as the far-right. Open a history book.

Damn. look at those violent alt-leftists! /s