Best Pitcher in Baseball? Most Overrated? Most Underrated?

Best - Peavey Overrated - Not Sure Underrated - Wang (People write off his 19 wins as products of the Yankee offense, but he is a very good pitcher)

You?

Best - Peavy

Overrated - Not Sure

Underrated - Wang (People write off his 19 wins as products of the Yankee offense, but he is a very good pitcher)

You?

Best- Beckett

Overrated- Barry Zito

Underrated- Fausto Carmona top 10 starter in my opinion last year stats 19-8, 137 K's, 3.06 ERA, 248. opponent batting average

Best - Peavy and Santana

Overrated - Willis

Underrated - Wang, Webb

Best-Peavy,Santana

Overrated-Zito

Underrated-Wang and Harden

Best-Peavy,Santana

Overrated-Zito

Underrated-Wang and Haren

Best- Halladay, Santana

Overrated- Beckett, Willis

Underrated- Wakefield, Harden

Best- Halladay, Santana

Overrated- Beckett, Willis

Underrated- Wakefield, Harden

PBSnipes

Best- Halladay, Santana

Overrated- Beckett, Willis

Underrated- Wakefield, Harden

PBSnipes

Best - Santana

Overrated - Willis, Zito

Underrated - Haren, Sheets

Best - Beckett - Simply clutch. Big game pitcher in the reg season and most importantly in the playoffs

Overrated - Peavy. He is without a doubt the most overrated pitcher. This guy pitches in the worst hitting division in the last decade, and most importantly simply chokes in any big games. Counting the one game playoff against Colorado last year in 16 innings pitched he has given up 19 EARNED RUNS and 29 hits in his 3 postseason games. That is an ERA over 10. The guy is a good regular season pitcher but simply folds when it counts. Hell he even stunk it up in the World Baseball Classic

Underated - Bedard. When healthy may very well have the best stuff in the game

Beckett Overrated? He had 20 wins last season also he had a 4-0 1.20 ERA this last post season and one game 7 off the 2003 World Series.Master_Jdog

Beckett overrated and Wakefield underrated WTF Wakefield sucksNetYankEagle

Overrated: Zambrano UssjTrunks

And he's an ass.

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]Overrated: Zambrano gasmaskman

And he's an ass.

Best:Santana

Overrated:Willis and Zito

Underrated:Wang and Jaba Chamberlin

Joba isn't either overrated nor underrated.

Zito has been receiving his fair share of criticism - he isn't the same as he has been in his A's days, obviously, and I think that he's not necessarily overrated anymore.

Best: Beckett

Overrated: Willis, Halladay

Underrated: CC Sabatia

best: santana, peavy

overrated: zito, zambrano

underrated: harang, carpenter (when healthy)

best - Josh Beckett 20 wins with an ERA below 3.50 and 4-0 in the play offs last year.

overrated - Daisuke Matsuzaka not nearly as good as people said he was gonna be. He doesn't have a gyroball. And is not worth the large amount of money the red sox are paying him.

underrated - Chien Ming Wang. Most winningist pitcher in the mlb for the last three years. Already 3-0 with a 1.28 ERA. Pitched a 2 hitter complete game against the red sox 2 nights ago. Doesn't cost the yankees that much. Gets alot of ground ball outs for pitch efficiency and rests the bullpen. Gets little to no media attention or publicity.

Joba isn't either overrated nor underrated.

Zito has been receiving his fair share of criticism - he isn't the same as he has been in his A's days, obviously, and I think that he's not necessarily overrated anymore.

gasmaskman

I definitely agree with your comment regarding Zito. He's pretty much labeled a bust after signing that 126 mil deal and performing so poorly (and in an inferior league, weak hitting division, and a pitcher's park might I add), so I wouldn't say that Zito is overrated anymore either.

Back to topic:

Best: Beckett (can't argue w/amazing reg season and postseason that he's had) Peavy (regular season stud) Chien Ming Wang

Overrated: Fausto Carmona and CC Sabathia (last year was a fluke for both. They are quality pitchers, but not Cy Young contenders. I'd be surprised if either ever repeated last year's performance)

Underrated: Chien Ming Wang (ace despite performing poorly under pressure. If he can get his act together in Oct he'll be amazing) Dan Haren, Brandon Webb (not enough respect for this guy, he's been dominant the past few years)

best - Josh Beckett 20 wins with an ERA below 3.50 and 4-0 in the play offs last year.

overrated - Daisuke Matsuzaka not nearly as good as people said he was gonna be. He doesn't have a gyroball. And is not worth the large amount of money the red sox are paying him.

underrated - Chien Ming Wang. Most winningist pitcher in the mlb for the last three years. Already 3-0 with a 1.28 ERA. Pitched a 2 hitter complete game against the red sox 2 nights ago. Doesn't cost the yankees that much. Gets alot of ground ball outs for pitch efficiency and rests the bullpen. Gets little to no media attention or publicity.

Cypress_290

Yep Wang is probably one of the most valuable players the Yankees have, yet he's making only 4 million dollars this year. (much less than the average Yankee makes) That's one of the best bargains in the game, especially considering that guys like Barry Zito are making 14.5 mil a year.

Wakefield is by far the most underrated pitcher. He is paid 4 mil a year and has a lifetime contract with the Sox. You find me a Starter whos paid 4 mil a year for what he does/has done. Timmy can come in for you out of the pen if you need him to and hes a great solid 15 wins every year.

Wakefield is by far the most underrated pitcher. He is paid 4 mil a year and has a lifetime contract with the Sox. You find me a Starter whos paid 4 mil a year for what he does/has done and you have no fear of him every leaving. Timmy can come in for you out of the pen if you need him to and hes a great solid 15 wins every year.

[QUOTE="Cypress_290"]

best - Josh Beckett 20 wins with an ERA below 3.50 and 4-0 in the play offs last year.

overrated - Daisuke Matsuzaka not nearly as good as people said he was gonna be. He doesn't have a gyroball. And is not worth the large amount of money the red sox are paying him.

underrated - Chien Ming Wang. Most winningist pitcher in the mlb for the last three years. Already 3-0 with a 1.28 ERA. Pitched a 2 hitter complete game against the red sox 2 nights ago. Doesn't cost the yankees that much. Gets alot of ground ball outs for pitch efficiency and rests the bullpen. Gets little to no media attention or publicity.

guitarman89

Yep Wang is probably one of the most valuable players the Yankees have, yet he's making only 4 million dollars this year. (much less than the average Yankee makes) That's one of the best bargains in the game, especially considering that guys like Barry Zito are making 14.5 mil a year.

I don't think wang is really under rated. He is the Yankees Ace. He is gonna be the key to the Yankees doing well this season. I don't see how that can be considered underrated.

The best - Josh Beckett, there's no way to argue this and I don't even like the RedSox

Most Overrated - Zambrano and Sabathia

Most Underrated - Ben Sheets

Wakefield is by far the most underrated pitcher. He is paid 4 mil a year and has a lifetime contract with the Sox. You find me a Starter whos paid 4 mil a year for what he does/has done and you have no fear of him every leaving. Timmy can come in for you out of the pen if you need him to and hes a great solid 15 wins every year.

Just_Osmo

No, he's a useful cog on the pitching staff, but by the looks of his ERA, hes far from underrated. 2004 - 4.87, 2005 - 4.15, 2006 - 4.63, 2007 - 4.76

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Wakefield is by far the most underrated pitcher. He is paid 4 mil a year and has a lifetime contract with the Sox. You find me a Starter whos paid 4 mil a year for what he does/has done and you have no fear of him every leaving. Timmy can come in for you out of the pen if you need him to and hes a great solid 15 wins every year.

mrgab

No, he's a useful cog on the pitching staff, but by the looks of his ERA, hes far from underrated. 2004 - 4.87, 2005 - 4.15, 2006 - 4.63, 2007 - 4.76

[QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Wakefield is by far the most underrated pitcher. He is paid 4 mil a year and has a lifetime contract with the Sox. You find me a Starter whos paid 4 mil a year for what he does/has done and you have no fear of him every leaving. Timmy can come in for you out of the pen if you need him to and hes a great solid 15 wins every year.

PBSnipes

No, he's a useful cog on the pitching staff, but by the looks of his ERA, hes far from underrated. 2004 - 4.87, 2005 - 4.15, 2006 - 4.63, 2007 - 4.76

I know, that what makes him a useful pitcher, but far from underrated.

Justin Verlander, how he did not even really get considered for the Cy Young award last year I dont understand. ROY 2 years ago, last year he pitched a no hitter and put up a great record with a good ERA. This year he is off to a bad start but the whole team is. He will get it going.zeldafan00013

yea I agree. Verlander is one of my favorite players, I hope he gets back to his old self soon. ( As well as all of the Tigers)

Dice-K is definately not over rated, at least it can't be determined yet. I think you have to give the guy at least 1 year to adjust to a new environment. He's showing early signs of being 1 of the best pitchers in 08

[QUOTE="guitarman89"][QUOTE="Cypress_290"]

best - Josh Beckett 20 wins with an ERA below 3.50 and 4-0 in the play offs last year.

overrated - Daisuke Matsuzaka not nearly as good as people said he was gonna be. He doesn't have a gyroball. And is not worth the large amount of money the red sox are paying him.

underrated - Chien Ming Wang. Most winningist pitcher in the mlb for the last three years. Already 3-0 with a 1.28 ERA. Pitched a 2 hitter complete game against the red sox 2 nights ago. Doesn't cost the yankees that much. Gets alot of ground ball outs for pitch efficiency and rests the bullpen. Gets little to no media attention or publicity.

Just_Osmo

Yep Wang is probably one of the most valuable players the Yankees have, yet he's making only 4 million dollars this year. (much less than the average Yankee makes) That's one of the best bargains in the game, especially considering that guys like Barry Zito are making 14.5 mil a year.

I don't think wang is really under rated. He is the Yankees Ace. He is gonna be the key to the Yankees doing well this season. I don't see how that can be considered underrated.

I never hear Wang's name come up in discussions regarding the best pitchers in baseball. He won 19 games last year and has never gotten credit for being an ace. (People have been saying for a long time that the Yankees need a true ace, but they already have one in Wang.)

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="guitarman89"][QUOTE="Cypress_290"]

best - Josh Beckett 20 wins with an ERA below 3.50 and 4-0 in the play offs last year.

overrated - Daisuke Matsuzaka not nearly as good as people said he was gonna be. He doesn't have a gyroball. And is not worth the large amount of money the red sox are paying him.

underrated - Chien Ming Wang. Most winningist pitcher in the mlb for the last three years. Already 3-0 with a 1.28 ERA. Pitched a 2 hitter complete game against the red sox 2 nights ago. Doesn't cost the yankees that much. Gets alot of ground ball outs for pitch efficiency and rests the bullpen. Gets little to no media attention or publicity.

guitarman89

Yep Wang is probably one of the most valuable players the Yankees have, yet he's making only 4 million dollars this year. (much less than the average Yankee makes) That's one of the best bargains in the game, especially considering that guys like Barry Zito are making 14.5 mil a year.

I don't think wang is really under rated. He is the Yankees Ace. He is gonna be the key to the Yankees doing well this season. I don't see how that can be considered underrated.

I never hear Wang's name come up in discussions regarding the best pitchers in baseball. He won 19 games last year and has never gotten credit for being an ace. (People have been saying for a long time that the Yankees need a true ace, but they already have one in Wang.)

Um, didn't wang wint he Cy Young?That to me is being called the best.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="guitarman89"][QUOTE="Cypress_290"]

best - Josh Beckett 20 wins with an ERA below 3.50 and 4-0 in the play offs last year.

overrated - Daisuke Matsuzaka not nearly as good as people said he was gonna be. He doesn't have a gyroball. And is not worth the large amount of money the red sox are paying him.

underrated - Chien Ming Wang. Most winningist pitcher in the mlb for the last three years. Already 3-0 with a 1.28 ERA. Pitched a 2 hitter complete game against the red sox 2 nights ago. Doesn't cost the yankees that much. Gets alot of ground ball outs for pitch efficiency and rests the bullpen. Gets little to no media attention or publicity.

guitarman89

Yep Wang is probably one of the most valuable players the Yankees have, yet he's making only 4 million dollars this year. (much less than the average Yankee makes) That's one of the best bargains in the game, especially considering that guys like Barry Zito are making 14.5 mil a year.

I don't think wang is really under rated. He is the Yankees Ace. He is gonna be the key to the Yankees doing well this season. I don't see how that can be considered underrated.

I never hear Wang's name come up in discussions regarding the best pitchers in baseball. He won 19 games last year and has never gotten credit for being an ace. (People have been saying for a long time that the Yankees need a true ace, but they already have one in Wang.)

Um, didn't wang come in second to Santana for the Cy Young? That to me is being thought oif as one of the best.

[QUOTE="guitarman89"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="guitarman89"][QUOTE="Cypress_290"]

best - Josh Beckett 20 wins with an ERA below 3.50 and 4-0 in the play offs last year.

overrated - Daisuke Matsuzaka not nearly as good as people said he was gonna be. He doesn't have a gyroball. And is not worth the large amount of money the red sox are paying him.

underrated - Chien Ming Wang. Most winningist pitcher in the mlb for the last three years. Already 3-0 with a 1.28 ERA. Pitched a 2 hitter complete game against the red sox 2 nights ago. Doesn't cost the yankees that much. Gets alot of ground ball outs for pitch efficiency and rests the bullpen. Gets little to no media attention or publicity.

Just_Osmo

Yep Wang is probably one of the most valuable players the Yankees have, yet he's making only 4 million dollars this year. (much less than the average Yankee makes) That's one of the best bargains in the game, especially considering that guys like Barry Zito are making 14.5 mil a year.

I don't think wang is really under rated. He is the Yankees Ace. He is gonna be the key to the Yankees doing well this season. I don't see how that can be considered underrated.

I never hear Wang's name come up in discussions regarding the best pitchers in baseball. He won 19 games last year and has never gotten credit for being an ace. (People have been saying for a long time that the Yankees need a true ace, but they already have one in Wang.)

Um, didn't wang come in second to Santana for the Cy Young? That to me is being thought oif as one of the best.

No, Beckett did.

Best: Peavy, Webb

Overrated: Zito, Sabathia

Underrated: Halladay, Hamels

Um, didn't wang come in second to Santana for the Cy Young? That to me is being thought oif as one of the best.

CC Sabathia won the Cy Young, Josh Beckett was second, John Lackey was third, and Fausto Carmona was fourth.

CC Sabathia won the Cy Young, Josh Beckett was second, John Lackey was third, and Fausto Carmona was fourth.

Not last year people. 2006, Santana won the Cy YOung and Wang came in 2nd.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2006.shtml

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="guitarman89"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="guitarman89"][QUOTE="Cypress_290"]

best - Josh Beckett 20 wins with an ERA below 3.50 and 4-0 in the play offs last year.

overrated - Daisuke Matsuzaka not nearly as good as people said he was gonna be. He doesn't have a gyroball. And is not worth the large amount of money the red sox are paying him.

underrated - Chien Ming Wang. Most winningist pitcher in the mlb for the last three years. Already 3-0 with a 1.28 ERA. Pitched a 2 hitter complete game against the red sox 2 nights ago. Doesn't cost the yankees that much. Gets alot of ground ball outs for pitch efficiency and rests the bullpen. Gets little to no media attention or publicity.

ThePostalWorker

Yep Wang is probably one of the most valuable players the Yankees have, yet he's making only 4 million dollars this year. (much less than the average Yankee makes) That's one of the best bargains in the game, especially considering that guys like Barry Zito are making 14.5 mil a year.

I don't think wang is really under rated. He is the Yankees Ace. He is gonna be the key to the Yankees doing well this season. I don't see how that can be considered underrated.

I never hear Wang's name come up in discussions regarding the best pitchers in baseball. He won 19 games last year and has never gotten credit for being an ace. (People have been saying for a long time that the Yankees need a true ace, but they already have one in Wang.)

Um, didn't wang come in second to Santana for the Cy Young? That to me is being thought oif as one of the best.

No, Beckett did.

No, it was a reference to 2006. Santana won and Wang came in 2nd: http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2006.shtml

Best: Jake Peavy

Overrated: Carlos Zambrano

Underrated: Tim Hudson

Best: Johan Santana

Overrated: each and every closer

Underrated: Aaron Harang

Best: Beckett

Overratted: Willis, Peavy, Zito

Underrated: Lackey, Wang, Haren, Bedard

Wakefield is by far the most underrated pitcher. He is paid 4 mil a year and has a lifetime contract with the Sox. You find me a Starter whos paid 4 mil a year for what he does/has done. Timmy can come in for you out of the pen if you need him to and hes a great solid 15 wins every year.

Just_Osmo

[QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Wakefield is by far the most underrated pitcher. He is paid 4 mil a year and has a lifetime contract with the Sox. You find me a Starter whos paid 4 mil a year for what he does/has done and you have no fear of him every leaving. Timmy can come in for you out of the pen if you need him to and hes a great solid 15 wins every year.

PBSnipes

No, he's a useful cog on the pitching staff, but by the looks of his ERA, hes far from underrated. 2004 - 4.87, 2005 - 4.15, 2006 - 4.63, 2007 - 4.76

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Wakefield is by far the most underrated pitcher. He is paid 4 mil a year and has a lifetime contract with the Sox. You find me a Starter whos paid 4 mil a year for what he does/has done. Timmy can come in for you out of the pen if you need him to and hes a great solid 15 wins every year.

NetYankEagle

Because every pitcher in the MLB hasn't given up a badly timed hit.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Wakefield is by far the most underrated pitcher. He is paid 4 mil a year and has a lifetime contract with the Sox. You find me a Starter whos paid 4 mil a year for what he does/has done and you have no fear of him every leaving. Timmy can come in for you out of the pen if you need him to and hes a great solid 15 wins every year.

NetYankEagle

No, he's a useful cog on the pitching staff, but by the looks of his ERA, hes far from underrated. 2004 - 4.87, 2005 - 4.15, 2006 - 4.63, 2007 - 4.76

So? he does what he has to do. His ERA is high because he is a streaky pitcher. As it is with all the Knuckleballers. Alot of things factor into how that pitch does,and his whole career is based around that pitch. Weather being the main factor and what stadium it is. Wind speed and direction/ dome or no dome. etc etc. You may not like him but i would want him on my club then the majority of pitchers.

My bad. I saw Cy Young and an "S" name. Sorry.

Best: Johan Santana

Overrated: each and every closer

Underrated: Aaron Harang

Oleg_Huzwog

I dont know what your talkin about, closers arent overrated. I would compare them to a kicker in football. When its clutch time you need one to get the win. You cant tell me Papelbon, k-Rod, Putz, Jenks, Nathan......are all overrated