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The Pats are the best organization in football,
dvader654
I used to think the Pats were one of the best organizations in all of sports. But Bellichick IMO ruined that with his cheating. A head coach that cheated ruins the name of that organization. You won't hear the Pats being called one of the classiest organization as long as Bellichick is at the helm.
[QUOTE="dvader654"]
The Pats are the best organization in football,
manningbowl135
I used to think the Pats were one of the best organizations in all of sports. But Bellichick IMO ruined that with his cheating. A head coach that cheated ruins the name of that organization. You won't hear the Pats being called one of the classiest organization as long as Bellichick is at the helm.
I'd rater have him at the helm and be considered classless and be contenders every year.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="dvader654"]
The Pats are the best organization in football,
Just_Osmo
I used to think the Pats were one of the best organizations in all of sports. But Bellichick IMO ruined that with his cheating. A head coach that cheated ruins the name of that organization. You won't hear the Pats being called one of the classiest organization as long as Bellichick is at the helm.
I'd rater have him at the helm and be considered classless and be contenders every year.
Most teams probably would. But you shouldn't have to choose.
Pats and Colts have equal level of offenses, but our defense is much better. It should be our win by 2 or 3 TDs.dkhw
Wow. Getting a bit confident aren't you?
The Colts offense can easily dominate the Pats defense, no matter how good it is. Bellichick can't confuse Peyton like he used to anymore. If the Colts can do that, it'll be shootout. Peyton has the ability to score at will against any defense. So does Brady. If it comes to a shootout, defenses really won't matter against these two quarterbacks. What'll matter is which quarterback loses. I think you're vastly underestimating Peyton Manning.
[QUOTE="dkhw"]Pats and Colts have equal level of offenses, but our defense is much better. It should be our win by 2 or 3 TDs.manningbowl135
Wow. Getting a bit confident aren't you?
The Colts offense can easily dominate the Pats defense, no matter how good it is. Bellichick can't confuse Peyton like he used to anymore. If the Colts can do that, it'll be shootout. Peyton has the ability to score at will against any defense. So does Brady. If it comes to a shootout, defenses really won't matter against these two quarterbacks. What'll matter is which quarterback loses. I think you're vastly underestimating Peyton Manning.
I think you are underestimating how good Pats D really is. They held #4 offense in YPG to 13 points. They held #2 offense in YPG and PPG to 27 points. THEY will get stops, more than Colts' D.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="dkhw"]Pats and Colts have equal level of offenses, but our defense is much better. It should be our win by 2 or 3 TDs.dkhw
Wow. Getting a bit confident aren't you?
The Colts offense can easily dominate the Pats defense, no matter how good it is. Bellichick can't confuse Peyton like he used to anymore. If the Colts can do that, it'll be shootout. Peyton has the ability to score at will against any defense. So does Brady. If it comes to a shootout, defenses really won't matter against these two quarterbacks. What'll matter is which quarterback loses. I think you're vastly underestimating Peyton Manning.
I think you are underestimating how good Pats D really is. They held #4 offense in YPG to 13 points. They held #2 offense in YPG and PPG to 27 points. THEY will get stops, more than Colts' D.
Don't look at ranks. There is a vast difference between Peyton Manning and Tony Romo. The Colts offense was ranked below the Cowboys and still is. But do you really think their offense is worse than the Cowboys? Manning wins games the way they need it. This season it has mostly been on the ground and conservatively. You'll see how good they are when it comes time to air it out. The Pats defense is good, but if Manning is on, that won't matter. It'll come down to Manning vs Brady, nothing more.
It's just isn't fair...42-7. Poor Miami...
Oh let me guess, Pats are classless because no one can stop them... right...?
mrvic87
Even I'll admit this is getting a bit ridiculous. Winning is one thing, but a blowout like this is too much.
It's just isn't fair...42-7. Poor Miami...
Oh let me guess, Pats are classless because no one can stop them... right...?
mrvic87
No they'll be classless if they have Brady throw it 20 times in the second half. They have the game won. Scoring is one thing, running up the score to rub it in and make fun of the opponent is another. I don't think Pats will do that.
[QUOTE="mrvic87"]It's just isn't fair...42-7. Poor Miami...
Oh let me guess, Pats are classless because no one can stop them... right...?
manningbowl135
No they'll be classless if they have Brady throw it 20 times in the second half. They have the game won. Scoring is one thing, running up the score to rub it in and make fun of the opponent is another. I don't think Pats will do that.
Brady hasn't thrown like he has in the second-half. Actually, he didn't even look like he was trying.
Wow, after that game I hate absolutely everything about them. From Tom Brady's annoying helmet and that idiotic thing Moss does after his touchdown, they never get anything called on them, they get all the calls, and they still have to cheat. Absolutely everything. They cheat, then in the last quarter of the past two games the first string had no business on the field, and then Brady throws another touchdown..wow such a classy team. That whole organization is full of classless PoS's. Man that felt great to get that out.zarfbloot
This is all coming from a guy who didn't even probably see the whole game. Cheating--what are you a third grader? Wow, just because you can't find a fault in this amazing team, doesn't make you right to find faults in the refs and the intergrity of the team. Wow. Get a LIFE. You want cheating? what about Roy williams? He's the biggest dirty player to date.
Wow, have your eyes checked man. Just because your Boys (you are the one who said the Boys were going to kill Pats and leave them all injured) got whooped by the best team in NFL and a pissed one at that, you don't have to get all jealous and vent. Wow, that gelt great to say that.
IT was also 10:05 at the time when the lead was dwindled to 21. It was plenty of time for Dolphins to make a miracluous comeback. Bellichick merely put that down by putting Brady back in there. Again, you didn't watch this game, so stop making it sound like you did.
[QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="dkhw"]Pats and Colts have equal level of offenses, but our defense is much better. It should be our win by 2 or 3 TDs.manningbowl135
Wow. Getting a bit confident aren't you?
The Colts offense can easily dominate the Pats defense, no matter how good it is. Bellichick can't confuse Peyton like he used to anymore. If the Colts can do that, it'll be shootout. Peyton has the ability to score at will against any defense. So does Brady. If it comes to a shootout, defenses really won't matter against these two quarterbacks. What'll matter is which quarterback loses. I think you're vastly underestimating Peyton Manning.
I think you are underestimating how good Pats D really is. They held #4 offense in YPG to 13 points. They held #2 offense in YPG and PPG to 27 points. THEY will get stops, more than Colts' D.
Don't look at ranks. There is a vast difference between Peyton Manning and Tony Romo. The Colts offense was ranked below the Cowboys and still is. But do you really think their offense is worse than the Cowboys? Manning wins games the way they need it. This season it has mostly been on the ground and conservatively. You'll see how good they are when it comes time to air it out. The Pats defense is good, but if Manning is on, that won't matter. It'll come down to Manning vs Brady, nothing more.
I never said Cowboys' O is better than Colts' . I put those up becasue they HAVE a GREAT defense which can get a good enough stops for Patriots to pull away and get a solid win. Geez, don't take it the extreme.
Wow, after that game I hate absolutely everything about them. From Tom Brady's annoying helmet and that idiotic thing Moss does after his touchdown, they never get anything called on them, they get all the calls, and they still have to cheat. Absolutely everything. They cheat, then in the last quarter of the past two games the first string had no business on the field, and then Brady throws another touchdown..wow such a classy team. That whole organization is full of classless PoS's. Man that felt great to get that out.zarfbloot
By any chance you saw the the Titans-Texans games. Check this out:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore;_ylt=AvVZiOKnqvZ7SIVVQ8woOpRDubYF?gid=20071021034
And Brady was off the field with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter, you do realize the gameis not over until its over. I've seen so many teams lately making miraculous comebacks like the one your Boys pulled against the Bills. I think that's what separates the Pats from teams like the Bills and most of the NFL, they take every opponent seriously and are not overconfident despite what the score is; thats what makes them successful. Then again judging your past posts regarding the Pats, I don't know why am I bothering posting these. Your hate is not healthy, go outside and take some fresh air.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="dkhw"]Pats and Colts have equal level of offenses, but our defense is much better. It should be our win by 2 or 3 TDs.dkhw
Wow. Getting a bit confident aren't you?
The Colts offense can easily dominate the Pats defense, no matter how good it is. Bellichick can't confuse Peyton like he used to anymore. If the Colts can do that, it'll be shootout. Peyton has the ability to score at will against any defense. So does Brady. If it comes to a shootout, defenses really won't matter against these two quarterbacks. What'll matter is which quarterback loses. I think you're vastly underestimating Peyton Manning.
I think you are underestimating how good Pats D really is. They held #4 offense in YPG to 13 points. They held #2 offense in YPG and PPG to 27 points. THEY will get stops, more than Colts' D.
Don't look at ranks. There is a vast difference between Peyton Manning and Tony Romo. The Colts offense was ranked below the Cowboys and still is. But do you really think their offense is worse than the Cowboys? Manning wins games the way they need it. This season it has mostly been on the ground and conservatively. You'll see how good they are when it comes time to air it out. The Pats defense is good, but if Manning is on, that won't matter. It'll come down to Manning vs Brady, nothing more.
I never said Cowboys' O is better than Colts' . I put those up becasue they HAVE a GREAT defense which can get a good enough stops for Patriots to pull away and get a solid win. Geez, don't take it the extreme.
27 points to a team is not a great defense. If they give up 27 points to the Cowboys, 35-40 to the Colts is not hard to imagine. Their defense is good, but other than Pittsburgh (maybe) there is no great defense in the NFL right now. None of the defenses are particularly scary. The Pats D can be beaten. With Peyton, they can be beaten often. Only question is, can Brady beat the Colts D more? I bet you the Pats will give up 35+ points in that game and if the Pats win it, it won't be by more than 7-10 points.
[QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="dkhw"]Pats and Colts have equal level of offenses, but our defense is much better. It should be our win by 2 or 3 TDs.manningbowl135
Wow. Getting a bit confident aren't you?
The Colts offense can easily dominate the Pats defense, no matter how good it is. Bellichick can't confuse Peyton like he used to anymore. If the Colts can do that, it'll be shootout. Peyton has the ability to score at will against any defense. So does Brady. If it comes to a shootout, defenses really won't matter against these two quarterbacks. What'll matter is which quarterback loses. I think you're vastly underestimating Peyton Manning.
I think you are underestimating how good Pats D really is. They held #4 offense in YPG to 13 points. They held #2 offense in YPG and PPG to 27 points. THEY will get stops, more than Colts' D.
Don't look at ranks. There is a vast difference between Peyton Manning and Tony Romo. The Colts offense was ranked below the Cowboys and still is. But do you really think their offense is worse than the Cowboys? Manning wins games the way they need it. This season it has mostly been on the ground and conservatively. You'll see how good they are when it comes time to air it out. The Pats defense is good, but if Manning is on, that won't matter. It'll come down to Manning vs Brady, nothing more.
I never said Cowboys' O is better than Colts' . I put those up becasue they HAVE a GREAT defense which can get a good enough stops for Patriots to pull away and get a solid win. Geez, don't take it the extreme.
27 points to a team is not a great defense. If they give up 27 points to the Cowboys, 35-40 to the Colts is not hard to imagine. Their defense is good, but other than Pittsburgh (maybe) there is no great defense in the NFL right now. None of the defenses are particularly scary. The Pats D can be beaten. With Peyton, they can be beaten often. Only question is, can Brady beat the Colts D more? I bet you the Pats will give up 35+ points in that game and if the Pats win it, it won't be by more than 7-10 points.
It's a great defense, but I agree that it's nothing like the old Bears' defense, but good enough to stop a couple drives. But yeah, overall, this is an offensive showdown, but defense WILL matter in this game--actually, in virtually every game, but this game, like you said, will be mostly offensive.
I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
Gamer556
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
[QUOTE="Gamer556"]I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
manningbowl135
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
It's pretty much a lock. Only good defense Pats play all season are the Pittsburgh and Redskins. And don't even try to say Ravens. They are 4-3 against terrible 7 teams and has given up big yards against mediocore offenses and got whooped by CLEVELAND
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
dkhw
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
It's pretty much a lock. Only good defense Pats play all season are the Pittsburgh and Redskins. And don't even try to say Ravens. They are 4-3 against terrible 7 teams and has given up big yards against mediocore offenses and got whooped by CLEVELAND
It's a lock if he wins against Manning. If he doesn't and loses home-field advantage, then it'll be interesting. Of course if he gets the record, he'll get it regardless most likely.
[QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
manningbowl135
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
It's pretty much a lock. Only good defense Pats play all season are the Pittsburgh and Redskins. And don't even try to say Ravens. They are 4-3 against terrible 7 teams and has given up big yards against mediocore offenses and got whooped by CLEVELAND
It's a lock if he wins against Manning. If he doesn't and loses home-field advantage, then it'll be interesting. Of course if he gets the record, he'll get it regardless most likely.
Probably, if that happens, but as a colts fan, you shouldn't look past the Jags.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
dkhw
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
It's pretty much a lock. Only good defense Pats play all season are the Pittsburgh and Redskins. And don't even try to say Ravens. They are 4-3 against terrible 7 teams and has given up big yards against mediocore offenses and got whooped by CLEVELAND
It's a lock if he wins against Manning. If he doesn't and loses home-field advantage, then it'll be interesting. Of course if he gets the record, he'll get it regardless most likely.
Probably, if that happens, but as a colts fan, you shouldn't look past the Jags.
I'm not. I'm looking DOWN on them. Get it, down? Because the Colts are in another stratosphere? HAHAHAA!!
*I love being a Colts fan. Everyone (almost) is inferior to me (strictly as a football fan).*
[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="MoonSpoon"]That last TD was another classless play by the Patriots. Belichick is a pro at those.MoonSpoon
Why should they kneel the ball down when they were on the 2 YARD LINE. They worked to get to the 2 and deserved it.
Morals, maybe?
I don't know. Pats fans never seem to understand common sense. That whole drive inside the 20 was sort of a joke, with the passes and all. You guys played a great game. You just couldn't end it without Belichick trying to show someone up. I doubt any other team up that much would have done such a thing. Maybe the Colts, a team led by a well respected coach, may teach you guys a lesson.
Dungy, ftw.Oh wow, I had to laugh at this. Harrison is as good as Moss when healthy? Moss catches TD passes while being double covered and as shown against the Jets, triple covered. Wayne is a great receiver so I'll agree but where on earth do you get Gonzalez being the best slot receiver? What are you smoking? Gonzales has 13 receptions for about 178 yards with 0 TDs so far. How is he the best slot receiver in the league? So what does that make Welker when he 47 receptions over 500 yards and 5 TDs? Clark is tied with Watson for 5 receiving TDs. Oh your name says manningbowl so now it all makes sense why you post faulty information.
[QUOTE="Gamer556"]I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
manningbowl135
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
Oh wow, I had to laugh at this. Harrison is as good as Moss when healthy? Moss catches TD passes while being double covered and as shown against the Jets, triple covered. Wayne is a great receiver so I'll agree but where on earth do you get Gonzalez being the best slot receiver? What are you smoking? Gonzales has 13 receptions for about 178 yards with 0 TDs so far. How is he the best slot receiver in the league? So what does that make Welker when he 47 receptions over 500 yards and 5 TDs? Clark is tied with Watson for 5 receiving TDs. Oh your name says manningbowl so now it all makes sense why you post faulty information.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]
I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
mrvic87
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
2 or 3 years ago, I would have said yes, but Harrison is too old now. Reggie Wayne is better than him right now. And Ben Watson is also better than Dallas Clark. Too bad he won't play though.
[QUOTE="mrvic87"]Oh wow, I had to laugh at this. Harrison is as good as Moss when healthy? Moss catches TD passes while being double covered and as shown against the Jets, triple covered. Wayne is a great receiver so I'll agree but where on earth do you get Gonzalez being the best slot receiver? What are you smoking? Gonzales has 13 receptions for about 178 yards with 0 TDs so far. How is he the best slot receiver in the league? So what does that make Welker when he 47 receptions over 500 yards and 5 TDs? Clark is tied with Watson for 5 receiving TDs. Oh your name says manningbowl so now it all makes sense why you post faulty information.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]
I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
dkhw
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
2 or 3 years ago, I would have said yes, but Harrison is too old now. Reggie Wayne is better than him right now. And Ben Watson is also better than Dallas Clark. Too bad he won't play though.
Ben Watson is better than Clark? He sure hasn't played like he is. Clark has more receptions, more yards and the same amount of TDs. And don't say b/c Watson didn't play yesterday. Neither did Clark. Clark has played better than Watson so far. Pure and simple.
And mrvic, READ. I said ONE OF THE BEST. Welker is the best, no question, he's a second, even first reciever in some teams playing slot. But Gonzalez is one of the best slots after him. Please read what I wrote before saying I'm posting everything out of bias.
[QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="mrvic87"]Oh wow, I had to laugh at this. Harrison is as good as Moss when healthy? Moss catches TD passes while being double covered and as shown against the Jets, triple covered. Wayne is a great receiver so I'll agree but where on earth do you get Gonzalez being the best slot receiver? What are you smoking? Gonzales has 13 receptions for about 178 yards with 0 TDs so far. How is he the best slot receiver in the league? So what does that make Welker when he 47 receptions over 500 yards and 5 TDs? Clark is tied with Watson for 5 receiving TDs. Oh your name says manningbowl so now it all makes sense why you post faulty information.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]
I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
manningbowl135
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
2 or 3 years ago, I would have said yes, but Harrison is too old now. Reggie Wayne is better than him right now. And Ben Watson is also better than Dallas Clark. Too bad he won't play though.
Ben Watson is better than Clark? He sure hasn't played like he is. Clark has more receptions, more yards and the same amount of TDs. And don't say b/c Watson didn't play yesterday. Neither did Clark. Clark has played better than Watson so far. Pure and simple.
And mrvic, READ. I said ONE OF THE BEST. Welker is the best, no question, he's a second, even first reciever in some teams playing slot. But Gonzalez is one of the best slots after him. Please read what I wrote before saying I'm posting everything out of bias.
Gonzalez is top 10 IMO, just because many teams lack much depth at WR position. Ben Watson, on talent alone is MUCH better than Clark. ONLY reason he has more reception and TD than Watson is because time Harrison missed and Reggie Wayne getting double teamed every down, while Watson has 5 TD with Randy Moss, Stallworth, AND Welker. So, go talk your ignorance somewhere else. Just because he has more catches and TDs doesn't mean he is better than one player. By way you present your fact, it's basically saying because LT has subpar stats compared AP, AP is better. Your point is invalid. Try again.
I don't think that it was coincidence that he annointed a rookie (on his favorite team) as one of the best in the league when he hasn't done too much yet. And unless Clark threw TD passes or rushed for any, he is tied with Ben Watson for TD receptions. If Watson wasn't banged up, Kyle Brady wouldn't have any TDs this season. Wayne is the Colts best receiver right now.
Harrison is a great recevier no question but he isn't close to Moss. Moss is catching passes that are just ridiculous right now against double coverage. At this point Brady can just chuck up passes all he wants and Moss will come down with it almost every time. Whenever a pass is thrown toMoss, we all know that he will come up with it. It's the anticipation of how he will make the catch and against how many defenders, is what excites us.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="mrvic87"]Oh wow, I had to laugh at this. Harrison is as good as Moss when healthy? Moss catches TD passes while being double covered and as shown against the Jets, triple covered. Wayne is a great receiver so I'll agree but where on earth do you get Gonzalez being the best slot receiver? What are you smoking? Gonzales has 13 receptions for about 178 yards with 0 TDs so far. How is he the best slot receiver in the league? So what does that make Welker when he 47 receptions over 500 yards and 5 TDs? Clark is tied with Watson for 5 receiving TDs. Oh your name says manningbowl so now it all makes sense why you post faulty information.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]
I know the Colts are still a great team, but... the Pats look unstoppable. Manning's surrounding cast just isn't as good as Brady's.
Also, Brady is a lock for MVP this year.
dkhw
Overall team, probably not. Offense, I beg to differ. Harrison healthy can be as good as Moss. Wayne has turned into an elite reciever. Gonzalez is one of the best slot recievers in the league. Clark has the most touchdowns by a TE in the entire league. The O-line has given up 3 sacks the whole year, lowest in the league. Offensively, the Colts are just as good as the Pats.
Brady is a lock for MVP, but if he can't win the Colts game, doesn't break the record and Manning can get about 40 TD, let's see. Long shot, Brady will probably win, but it's not a lock yet, not until the Pats get home field. If Brady can't get Manning to no#2, it'll be interesting.
2 or 3 years ago, I would have said yes, but Harrison is too old now. Reggie Wayne is better than him right now. And Ben Watson is also better than Dallas Clark. Too bad he won't play though.
Ben Watson is better than Clark? He sure hasn't played like he is. Clark has more receptions, more yards and the same amount of TDs. And don't say b/c Watson didn't play yesterday. Neither did Clark. Clark has played better than Watson so far. Pure and simple.
And mrvic, READ. I said ONE OF THE BEST. Welker is the best, no question, he's a second, even first reciever in some teams playing slot. But Gonzalez is one of the best slots after him. Please read what I wrote before saying I'm posting everything out of bias.
Gonzalez is top 10 IMO, just because many teams lack much depth at WR position. Ben Watson, on talent alone is MUCH better than Clark. ONLY reason he has more reception and TD than Watson is because time Harrison missed and Reggie Wayne getting double teamed every down, while Watson has 5 TD with Randy Moss, Stallworth, AND Welker. So, go talk your ignorance somewhere else. Just because he has more catches and TDs doesn't mean he is better than one player. By way you present your fact, it's basically saying because LT has subpar stats compared AP, AP is better. Your point is invalid. Try again.
Let's put this fact out there! You people will now say, wait till the Colts play them! Give it a rest and accept the fact that NE is superior! They are so talented that the 4th string back scored a TD on that Cowboy defense. Oh and where were all these folks that claim Dallas had this stellar defense? Ha ha, what a joke!
mrvic87
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YA GO PATS GO
Gonzalez is top 10 IMO, just because many teams lack much depth at WR position. Ben Watson, on talent alone is MUCH better than Clark. ONLY reason he has more reception and TD than Watson is because time Harrison missed and Reggie Wayne getting double teamed every down, while Watson has 5 TD with Randy Moss, Stallworth, AND Welker. So, go talk your ignorance somewhere else. Just because he has more catches and TDs doesn't mean he is better than one player. By way you present your fact, it's basically saying because LT has subpar stats compared AP, AP is better. Your point is invalid. Try again.
dkhw
Harrison has missed one game. Clark has caught half of Peyton's TDs. You can call Watson more talented all you want. But he has never produced enough. LT, I can't call him worse than AP based on a few games b/c his track record suggests LT is the best. When looking at the track record of Watson, I see nothing to say even though he's playing worse than Clark this season, he's better. And for someone calling me ignorant, what exactly are you basing your conclusion on? I'm basing it on their productions so far. You?
[QUOTE="dkhw"]Gonzalez is top 10 IMO, just because many teams lack much depth at WR position. Ben Watson, on talent alone is MUCH better than Clark. ONLY reason he has more reception and TD than Watson is because time Harrison missed and Reggie Wayne getting double teamed every down, while Watson has 5 TD with Randy Moss, Stallworth, AND Welker. So, go talk your ignorance somewhere else. Just because he has more catches and TDs doesn't mean he is better than one player. By way you present your fact, it's basically saying because LT has subpar stats compared AP, AP is better. Your point is invalid. Try again.
manningbowl135
Harrison has missed one game. Clark has caught half of Peyton's TDs. You can call Watson more talented all you want. But he has never produced enough. LT, I can't call him worse than AP based on a few games b/c his track record suggests LT is the best. When looking at the track record of Watson, I see nothing to say even though he's playing worse than Clark this season, he's better. And for someone calling me ignorant, what exactly are you basing your conclusion on? I'm basing it on their productions so far. You?
Wow. You are making yourself more and more ignorant than before. You want to talk production? How about this? On Pats team, Moss has 732 yards, 10 TDs. Welker has 534 yards 5 TDs. Stallworth 367 yards 3 TDs. Watson? 222 yars 5 TDs, which is not even that much difference from Dallas Clark's 300 yards and 5 TDs. INCREDIBLE, A WHOLE FREAKIN' 80 yards. What is impressive about Watson is that he has the same stats with THREE incredible recievers hogging all the passes. Let's look at Colts' WRs. Reegie Wayne 369 yards 4 TD and Marvin harrison 231 yards 1 TD. WOW. Watson has 5 TD when the other recievers had 18 TDs. And look at the yardage difference in the recievers, and Watson still managed 222 yards. That's incredible especially when he missed TWO games. That's production. You want to talk last year? Over 12 games, he had 367 yards and 4 TDs. Over 13 games (that's one more since I am not sure if you know how to subtract), he had 643 yards and 3 TDs. This was without great recievers taking away coverage for Watson while Clark benefitted from Pro-bowlers Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Watson had...Reche Caldwell and Doug Gabriel.... This is what I am basing on. What are you looking at Colts fanboy? Just because he's on your team and Watson is on Pats doesn't make Clark better. Watson is MUCH MUCH better than Dallas Clarck. He's bigger and faster. Please, try all you want. There is nothing for you to say Dalls is better than Watson. Watson has produced better and he's more talented.
Also, don't even try to pull that Colts are running more than the Pats.Pats' total rushing attempts are 224 compared Colts 157.
Over 13 games (that's one more since I am not sure if you know how to subtract), he had 643 yards and 3 TDs. This was without great recievers taking away coverage for Watson while Clark benefitted from Pro-bowlers Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Watson had...Reche Caldwell and Doug Gabriel.... This is what I am basing on.
Okay...so when Watson has worse stats than Clark this year, it's BECAUSE he has such great weapons to compete with. But when Clark had worse stats than Watson last year, it's DESPITE having great weapons to compete with. When Watson produces worse with great recievers this year, he's doing it despite them taking away PRODUCTION. When Clark produced worse last year with great recievers, he did it despite them taking away COVERAGE. Nice double standards you have.
BTW, I'd appreciate it if you'd keep the mindless, petty insults to a minimum. It makes you look really immature.
Over 13 games (that's one more since I am not sure if you know how to subtract), he had 643 yards and 3 TDs. This was without great recievers taking away coverage for Watson while Clark benefitted from Pro-bowlers Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Watson had...Reche Caldwell and Doug Gabriel.... This is what I am basing on.
Okay...so when Watson has worse stats than Clark this year, it's BECAUSE he has such great weapons to compete with. But when Clark had worse stats than Watson last year, it's DESPITE having great weapons to compete with. When Watson produces worse with great recievers this year, he's doing it despite them taking away PRODUCTION. When Clark produced worse last year with great recievers, he did it despite them taking away COVERAGE. Nice double standards you have.
BTW, I'd appreciate it if you'd keep the mindless, petty insults to a minimum. It makes you look really immature.
manningbowl135
I didn't see him saying mindless petty insults other then you looking ignorant.
[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]Over 13 games (that's one more since I am not sure if you know how to subtract), he had 643 yards and 3 TDs. This was without great recievers taking away coverage for Watson while Clark benefitted from Pro-bowlers Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Watson had...Reche Caldwell and Doug Gabriel.... This is what I am basing on.
Okay...so when Watson has worse stats than Clark this year, it's BECAUSE he has such great weapons to compete with. But when Clark had worse stats than Watson last year, it's DESPITE having great weapons to compete with. When Watson produces worse with great recievers this year, he's doing it despite them taking away PRODUCTION. When Clark produced worse last year with great recievers, he did it despite them taking away COVERAGE. Nice double standards you have.
BTW, I'd appreciate it if you'd keep the mindless, petty insults to a minimum. It makes you look really immature.
Just_Osmo
I didn't see him saying mindless petty insults other then you looking ignorant.
"That's one more since I am not sure if you know how to substract"
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