Official 2014 NFL Season topic

This is an intriguing match up, the Powerhouse Patriots vs the rising Powerhouse Seahawks...... Despite accusations of cheating in the last decade (and today), Belichick is the GOAT HC and Brady is the GOAT QB as both have Hall of Fame careers. Now looking at the NFC, Seahawks are in the Super Bowl back to back, and that hasn't happen for a very long time. Pete Carroll is a smart HC, who has a solid defense and offense. If Seahawks win, Russell Wilson should be consider an Elite QB if he plays excellent and makes up his bad game yesterday and Pete Carroll is on a verge to become the next GOAT HC.

Some may disagree with me, but Wilson has come a long way to be an elite QB. He was under the radar from the likes of Andrew Luck and RGIII, and Seattle fans thought that Matt Flynn would help them win a Super Bowl, until he was outplayed by Wilson in his rookie year. Another SB win twice in a row will solidfy his credentials as long as he plays smart and lead his team. Of course Patriots has the legacy and Tom Brady will play at his best over a dominating defense.

Did you even watch the Seahawks vs Packers game? The Seahawks won in spite of Wilson. GTFO with ''oh he's right on the verge of being elite''. He's an average QB on a great team. And that's a nice way to put it considering he shat the bed at home against a mediocre Packers defense.

Yes I did, and I know how terrible he played against the Packers Defense. Also, the Packs D played a lot better than all season as I hardly claimed them to be mediocre. They had control of the entire game, only to shoot themselves in the foot with that on-side kick. As for Russell Wilson, yeah, he played like shit but he still had high hopes for a comeback at the final minutes of the game and took the lead. He was completely resilient! You can claim him being average with all the talent that surrounds him or say that he has a great HC, but he has grown and matured to be a great QB regardless what people think of him.

Russel Wilson is a phenomenal QB. One bad game doesn't outshine how amazingly he has played these last two seasons. He has shit for recievers and yet continues to make them look good with his great playing.

Waiting for @monkeytoes61 to chime in.

His whole passing game is set up by two things: the running game and Wilson's ability to extend plays. He also has pretty good accuracy and has shown that he can hit the tight holes in a defense.

Is he great? No. Is he good? Yes.

Edit: And two of those INTs yesterday were not on him. They were perfect passes that the WRs just dropped.

Pretty tired of the cheating comments. Its been 8 years since Spygate and people still go on about it, and now this only makes it worse. If the allegations aren't true, then the NFL needs to shut up. If they are true, then wtf Belichick. have some personal integrity.

I really don't get what the big deal is... Blount ran all over Indy, didn't really matter.

The Packers D didnt do much to get those INTs. Wilson was doing the same thing Kaepernick has been criticized for, he was doing 1 reads and chucking it. They're both the same QB as far as I'm concerned, except Kaep didn't have good running game or as great of a defense to back him up this year. But I doubt you think equally highly of Kaepernick. And the way he was playing, the Seahawks should've been down 30 points+. But the Seahawks defense held strong and kept it close and made the comeback possible.

I'm not going to get into the "elite" conversation because that is a nothing, throwaway word that has no value. However, anyone that really doesn't think Wilson is a great QB has never watched him.

It's easy to boil down three years worth of starts into his shit game yesterday, and many of you are trying your damndest to do so. But that's a ridiculous position to take.

Nobody can ever actually give me a fault in Wilson's game. It's always talking about Lynch or the defense, like that somehow makes him less of a QB. Yes, obviously those things help him. I'm not denying that. Having a great RB and defense is going to open the game up for him. But to act like that's the only thing that makes him good is asinine. How many great defenses are there, where we go, "If only they had a QB." If it were as simple as good defense = good QB, the Bills would be in the SB right now with Orton at the helm. Let's not forget that Tarvaris Jackson largely had the same squad Wilson did, and he went 7-9.

Also, fucking lol at comparing Wilson to Kapernick. I'm seriously doubting if you have ever watched Wilson play besides yesterday. And this is coming from a guy who actually likes Kaep.

Let's not forget that Wilson's receiving corps is a big bag of dicks. They can make big plays, but none of them demand extra coverage or anything. He's never had anything close to a true number one.

I'll never understand how people judge QBs. They chastise guys who have good regular seasons but can't win "big" games (Ryan, Stafford, Dalton, Romo, P. Manning), but then claim that guys who do win only do it because their team is good (Wilson, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, Dilfer).

I'll end with this. No QB has ever won with a bad team around him. Montana had greatness, Bradshaw had greatness, so did Starr and Aikman. All those guys who won multiple championships did so with great surrounding casts. If your only criticism of Wilson is that he is surrounded by greatness, go home. You have no argument.

RIP Seahawks, you are about to be murdered in a few weeks!

Wilson will be considered great as long as he has the best running back in the NFL on his team.

Oh are you? Yet you were shitting on Dallas for a bad call. I mean lets be honest here. How can the Patriots feel good about that win on Sunday? lmao.

Romo>Wilson.

^GTFO

when did I do that?

@Put_in_Kitna: Word.

Well, one thing is sure in regards to Wilson: He may be solid, but he sure as hell ain't no Blake Bortles. Wilson couldn't suck Bortles' nut skin.

@monkeytoes61: Dude stinks. Romo>>>That scrub bad.

All Im saying is that there's about 12 QBs I could name that would do just as good of a job or even better in Wilson's current situation.

My Hairy Butt > Romo

@RevanBITW: I disagree strongly. The team is built around his strengths, and he is a rare talent. I could see Rodgers or Luck doing just as well/better given the offense and surrounding players, that's it.

I don't think people realize that Wilson's surrounding cast on offense isn't much besides Lynch. The offense line is more porous than Spongebob, and we have a gaggle of number three receivers masquerading as number ones. We always say, "Man, if only X had a better surrounding cast. It's not his fault the rest of the offense sucks." Well guess what? Russ's offense blows hard and he still led an offense that scored 24.6 points per game.

I do think his upside will get him to be better than he is now. But lets go through my list, in no particular order: Flacco, Peyton Manning, Brady, Romo, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Luck, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Kaepernick, Eli Manning. All of them would've been able to do what Wilson has been able to do in terms of winning in these last 2 years. And I would say most of them are better than he is now. But being in that group is no small thing, he's absolutely in a cluster of QBs who are pretty good and can win in the playoffs, but ultimately, not special. And last Sunday showed he's not consistent yet. There's only Rodgers, Brady, Peyton(when healthy) and Brees who are head and shoulders better than the rest of the league.

@RevanBITW: How did last Sunday show he's not consistent? He's had a handful of bad games in his three year career, that was clearly an outlier and not the norm.

I just can't wrap my head around this. Andy Dalton is a favorite target around here for criticism on not winning big games. Wilson goes to two SBs and wins playoff games in his first three seasons and all we talk about is the other QBs we think could have done the same thing.

Kaepernick? Seriously? Eli Manning? Matt Ryan? Joe Flacco? The latter three would have been flattened like David Carr behind our shit line, and Kaepernick would be busy too busy throwing INTs (which Russ doesn't do).

I wait for someone to point out an actual flaw in his game (which there isn't).

@monkeytoes61: He did have 4 picks on Sunday, 2 were definitely his fault. Typically he does take care of the football though and he's a MUCH smarter QB than Kaepernick. I

@GotFiveRings: I agree, especially the deep ball to Kearse. Underthrown and into double coverage. I know you guys don't watch the Seahawks every week, but if you did, you would know how unbelievably strange it was that he made those decisions on Sunday. He seriously never does that, he's the king of throwing the ball away.

If the league determines that Belichick was actually responsible (gave the order) to deflates the balls I would suspend him for at least the Super Bowl.

http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game

11 of 12 footballs the Pats used in game were 2 pounds under the league requirement. HMMMMMMMMM.

Kaepernick only threw 10 INTs this year. Considering he's had an underwhelming year, I think the 20 TDs and 7 INTs of Wilson aren't exactly out of Kaepernick's reach when he has a good running game supporting him. A slightly above average QB with very good running game and the best defense in the league will be a championship team. It's better than what the 2000 Ravens and the 2003 Bucs had anyway. I don't think I'm being unfair when I'm assessing Wilson as a QB with growing pains getting bailed out by that awesone defense every now and then.

They didn't suspend a repeat offender like Suh for a playoff game for stepping on a injured QBs leg. Zero chance this will happen.

I'm not going to say there's nothing to this, but people are going to make this a bigger deal than it is. Aaron Rodgers has discussed his preference for overnflated balls, and Former Bucs QB Brad Johnson has acknowledged using deflated balls in their Super Bowl run. It should also be noted that the standard fine for 'altering footballs' is $25K and that there are reports that the deflation was discovered at halftime and presumably fixed after that point.

Honestly, if this runs deep it sucks and I'm disappointed and think the team/Belichick should be punished, maybe even given a short suspension starting next year. That being said we shouldn't be turning this into the next bounty gate.

@Boston_Boyy:

Why do Boston teams always cheat?

Is that the City's Culture?

do you have something stuck up your ass or what?

Not you? Maybe it was Boston Boy. I know it was one of you Pats fan.

@RevanBITW: It's easy to look at box scores and stats to make that determination. And honestly, it's not your fault, you don't watch every Hawks game like I do. Trust me, there are very few QBs that would succeed with this team. This is an 8-8 team with most of the QBs you listed before.

Again, nobody can actually point out a flaw in his game. You say he's slightly above average. What makes him slightly above average? I don't care about the defense or the running game, tell me how he's only "slightly above average."

Quick ones are he's short and he's not too good and recognizing blitzes, holds om to ball too long. Tunnel vision at times

He's just not that good of a passer. His current numbers are good but not great and if he had less than a great running back these numbers would get worse.

@sherman-tank1:

You must do with that response.

How many great defenses are there, where we go, "If only they had a QB." If it were as simple as good defense = good QB, the Bills would be in the SB right now with Orton at the helm.

Tears are in my fucking eyes right now bro.

I will say this. Wilson, as much as I hate his fucking annoying as face and being in general, is top 10 right now (only his 3rd year!) and I would give my future son's left nut for him to play for Buffalo.

I wanted Green Bay to win so badly so I'd have at least one good guy to root for in the SB. Seeing how the Hawks ruined that dream they better destroy the Pats or i'm going to hang myself.

^ I think it's safe to say we are all pats fans now

Romo>Wilson

I would take Russel Wilson over a lot of cats at this point.

Romo is older, and tends to suffer in key spots. Plus this year he actually did have some massive help from that beast line and running game. Otherwise him "carrying the team" is not the same as when Peyton, Brady, Rodgers have carried their teams. They carried their teams to the playoffs every year. Guys like Romo carried his team to 8-8. That's not good. That's average.

Rapist^ similar to Romo, when he won big, his team had great defenses and run games. When he's been THE GUY, they haven't done much. This year the bigger difference was a guy like L. Bell.

Phyllis has never won a ring, his teams always underperform. He must accept some of that.

Again i'm not putting Russel over Brady, Rodgers or luck. Or even saying he's better than in their prime Peyton (he is way too old to be in the top 5 at this point) or Brees. I'm just saying that it's not like he makes it rain throwing to some all star weapons (like throwing to a Jimmy Graham, or Demaryus Thomas, or Dez Bryant or Antonio Brown). The man has a good arm, can extend plays, and makes smart decisions mostly. One bad outing for a guy in his 3rd year in a playoff game isn't that insane. Even Brady has won playoff games while having shitty games.

Elite is media stupidity, I would not frown on the notion of Russel getting himself a 5th spot if we are too assume that Peyton no longer belongs in the top 5 due to him showing that he is old as **** now, and his arm is gone. I could see the arguments for Rodgers-Brady-Brees-Luck over him, but some of the others are getting a free fucking pass in my opinion for playing long enough to have experience. Experience is cute and all, but so is what you can do physically, and Russel can do things Rapist can't, ditto for an aging Romo.

Yes it is correct that a lot of times Russel isn't asked to do as much, but Brady won superbowls on teams where he was a game manager. Ditto for Rapist. In a few years when Russel has to do it all by himself we'll get to look at his body of work again. Currently though I could easily see him keeping that team competitive for years so long as he gets something to work with.

Oh stop with this they carried their teams shit. When Brady won the 3 superbowls his defense was ranked 6, 1 and 2. Shit when they were 19-0 they had the number 4 defense in the NFL. Carried eh? Sure he didn't have the stars other players have had but carrying the team? Belicheat is a defensive coach, and he is the best.

When Peyton won the SB he had the 23rd ranked defense, that season he actually carried the team. He has had a shit defense (20 and above) for 5 of 13 years in Indy. He had a top 10 defense 5 times in 13 years. Made it to another SB once with a top 10 defense. In denver he had a top 5 defense his first year, lost in divisional. Last year he had the 22nd ranked defense and made the SB, this year he had a mediocre injury prone defense ranked 16. Peyton has great numbers, great everything. Why he has a losing record in the playoffs? Who knows, multiple reasons.

Rodgers has had some shitty ass defenses but guess what? When he won the Superbowl their defense was ranked 2nd, there you go. This is a team game and im tried of hearing this carrying their team shit. Defenses are a huge key to any teams success. I realize you weren't saying they don't matter, im simply just tired of hearing this whole "he carried his team" shit.

Wilson has had the number 1 defense the last 2 years, 2 superbowl appearances.

As for Romo he has had a top 10 defense once in 9 years. They were ranked 2nd in 2009, won the division and lost in divisional playoffs to the Vikings that year.

The conclusion? Is Romo better than these guys? No. I wouldn't take him and the only ones who would are pure homers with silver and blue blinders. Simply saying the term "carrying" is being thrown around a good amount these days.

Defenses is a given. When I hear someone say QB is carrying their team, to me that means their offense is one dimensional.

To me the term team means both sides of the ball, plus shit special teams.

You wanted Brady's dick way before I got involved

Oh come now, we all know you love it

Sorry, misery loves company, bro.

Have fun fighting the NFL PR machine hahahaha