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#1 youngmurk911
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wtf......google it, smh

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#2 i5750at4Ghz
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wtf......google it, smh

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It's very close. I prefer Lebron just based on his size and strength alone. Both are fantastic players though. I'd like do see how MJ would have handled the zone defense alot of teams play now, and how Lebron would have handled the much more aggressive defense of the 80's and 90's. It's a very compelling comparison.
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#3 Oleg_Huzwog
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wtf......google it, smh

youngmurk911

I think you're the one who needs to google it. He never said James is better than Jordan. He said "may be".

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#4 -Halftime-
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Scottie lost his damn mind. No one's touching MJ. I think Kareem is really the only one that can match the accomplishments of Jordan.
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#5 DarkOfKnight
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Jordan said Kobe was better than LeBron. Who is right? Lebron isn't as good of an outside shooter as Kobe while he is a better rebounder.
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#6 Fuhgeddabouditt
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he pretty much clowned his old teammate while the guy hes praising, beats his former team. All in one night. Cool.

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#7 Darth_Revan_666
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All I know is that Dwayne Wade is better than Scottie Pippen.

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#8 chansaet
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[QUOTE="youngmurk911"]

wtf......google it, smh

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It's very close. I prefer Lebron just based on his size and strength alone. Both are fantastic players though. I'd like do see how MJ would have handled the zone defense alot of teams play now, and how Lebron would have handled the much more aggressive defense of the 80's and 90's. It's a very compelling comparison.

only one way to find out. join me in 2k11 in one hour. We will see. Just kidding
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#9 mont13
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All I'll say for now is, Pippen is certainly wrong! Jordan is not the "best scorer to ever play the game".

Ok, at least he said "maybe" or "probably", depending on which qoute you read.

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#10 frostybanana
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All I'll say for now is, Pippen is certainly wrong! Jordan is not the "best scorer to ever play the game".

Ok, at least he said "maybe" or "probably", depending on which qoute you read.

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He can use whatever qualifiers he wants, what he's saying remains the same. It would look pretty questionable (and probably hurt his credibility) if he outright said LeBron is a better player before he even gets his first ring so he didn't definitively state it. So now he looks slightly less crazy. If Kobe isn't as good as MJ (and he's not), then there's no way LeBron is, especially without the hardware. Jordan can play the numbers game as well, let's not forget that. He had a season in which he scored 32 PPG, 8 RPG and 8 APG. But Jordan's game transcends the numbers. And for Pippen to insinuate that Jordan is JUST a scorer is absurd. Jordan got it done at both ends of the court and is the greatest basketball player ever period.
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#11 KBFloYd
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Lebron has the skills/talent to be better than Jordan....if he does it?.. remains to be seen. as of today he is still behind kobe bryant imo.

i have to say scottie must sore at jordan to make that statement..that's for sure.

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#12 -Halftime-
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MIchael Jordan was unstoppable on offense and also the best defensive guard ever
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#13 KBFloYd
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MIchael Jordan was unstoppable on offense and also the best defensive guard ever-Halftime-

same as lebron

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]MIchael Jordan was unstoppable on offense and also the best defensive guard everKBFloYd

same as lebron

LeBron is not the best defensive small forward ever......
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#15 KBFloYd
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[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]MIchael Jordan was unstoppable on offense and also the best defensive guard ever-Halftime-

same as lebron

LeBron is not the best defensive small forward ever......

guard..forward... who cares their defense are equally good. you cant be any better unless you decide to be a defense only guy.

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#16 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="youngmurk911"]

wtf......google it, smh

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It's very close. I prefer Lebron just based on his size and strength alone. Both are fantastic players though. I'd like do see how MJ would have handled the zone defense alot of teams play now, and how Lebron would have handled the much more aggressive defense of the 80's and 90's. It's a very compelling comparison.

No, it's not very close.
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#17 -Halftime-
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

same as lebron

KBFloYd

LeBron is not the best defensive small forward ever......

guard..forward... who cares their defense are equally good. you cant be any better unless you decide to be a defense only guy.

Pippen was a better defender as a forward. So was Michael Cooper.... So was Elgin Baylor... If you want to talk guards, Gary Payton, MJ, Joe Dumars, Kobe in his prime, Sidney Moncrief, Dennis Johnson, KC Jones, and Bruce Bowen were all better defenders. LeBron isn't even the best defender on his own team.... And didn't start even playing defense till two years ago.
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#18 KBFloYd
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[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"] LeBron is not the best defensive small forward ever......-Halftime-

guard..forward... who cares their defense are equally good. you cant be any better unless you decide to be a defense only guy.

Pippen was a better defender as a forward. So was Michael Cooper.... So was Elgin Baylor... If you want to talk guards, Gary Payton, MJ, Joe Dumars, Kobe in his prime, Sidney Moncrief, Dennis Johnson, KC Jones, and Bruce Bowen were all better defenders. LeBron isn't even the best defender on his own team.... And didn't start even playing defense till two years ago.

wade and james are about equal...just seems wade takes a little more pride in his defensive game than james...still watch james guard rose in the 4th quarter...even wade or jordan could not have done any better.

james, kobe and jordan are all great defenders.. its the offensive side that seperates them.

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#19 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="youngmurk911"]

wtf......google it, smh

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It's very close. I prefer Lebron just based on his size and strength alone. Both are fantastic players though. I'd like do see how MJ would have handled the zone defense alot of teams play now, and how Lebron would have handled the much more aggressive defense of the 80's and 90's. It's a very compelling comparison.

No, it's not very close.

I disagree.
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#20 -Halftime-
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] It's very close. I prefer Lebron just based on his size and strength alone. Both are fantastic players though. I'd like do see how MJ would have handled the zone defense alot of teams play now, and how Lebron would have handled the much more aggressive defense of the 80's and 90's. It's a very compelling comparison.

No, it's not very close.

Then you never saw Michael play in his prime. I disagree.

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#21 gamefan67
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Pippen must be feelin really sour.
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#22 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] No, it's not very close.-Halftime-
Then you never saw Michael play in his prime. I disagree.

No I did. But I'm also seeing Lebron in his prime. Hate all you want, but the dude is a beast, easily the best player on the court when hes out there.

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#23 -Halftime-
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Then you never saw Michael play in his prime. I disagree. i5750at4Ghz

No I did. But I'm also seeing Lebron in his prime. Hate all you want, but the dude is a beast, easily the best player on the court when hes out there.

He's definitely the best player in the league. But he's not the best player of all time, and it's not even close. Michael Jordan is. The only players IMO that can even be discussed in the same convo as Jordan are Kareem and Magic.
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#24 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]-Halftime-

No I did. But I'm also seeing Lebron in his prime. Hate all you want, but the dude is a beast, easily the best player on the court when hes out there.

He's definitely the best player in the league. But he's not the best player of all time, and it's not even close. Michael Jordan is. The only players IMO that can even be discussed in the same convo as Jordan are Kareem and Magic.

Why? I've yet to see any reason not to put Lebron in league with these players. What in your opinion is it that he doesn't do?
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#25 -Halftime-
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

No I did. But I'm also seeing Lebron in his prime. Hate all you want, but the dude is a beast, easily the best player on the court when hes out there.

i5750at4Ghz

He's definitely the best player in the league. But he's not the best player of all time, and it's not even close. Michael Jordan is. The only players IMO that can even be discussed in the same convo as Jordan are Kareem and Magic.

Why? I've yet to see any reason not to put Lebron in league with these players. What in your opinion is it that he doesn't do?

He can do everything. But so can Chris Paul. That doesn't all of a sudden make them two of the greatest players ever. it's about accomplishments along with a mix of statistics. LeBron can't touch Jordan's statistics nor the things he accomplished like championships, MVP's, and Defensive Players of the Year. LeBron will never touch a season like MJ's 32, 8 and 8 season. I'm not trying to sound like a hater. But right now you can come up with 10-15 players that are better than LeBron throughout history. When all's said and done, he'll probably be in the top 10. But when he's only played 8 years and never won one title, let alone 6? And doesn't nearly have the ridiculous numbers that someone like Jordan put up. You just can't put him there. Any man that says LeBron James right now is a better player than Michael Jordan in his prime is probably delirious or tweaking on meth. Probably both.

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#26 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Why compare MJ's entire career to half of LeBron's? You are comparing the accomplishments of one of the NBA greats to some who is 26 years old. MJ's first 8 years to LeBron's first 8 seems more practical to me. At that point in MJ's career (8th year) he won his first ring, whether James can do the same is to be determined.
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#27 Fuhgeddabouditt
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Look at the guards MJ had to face in his era, compared to LeBrons. There is no contest.

Jordan survived in what was said to have been the toughest era in the NBA. Those players would make most of the player of this era look soft or D-League material and that's the truth.

My point is, Jordan survived and succeeded in a much tougher league while LeBron is benefiting from a much softer toned down NBA.

Also, in Mike's career , did he ever not show up in a big game? This guy would still play hard even being down by a bunch with 2minutes to go. I cant say the say for LeBron. Heck, I wont even get into the leadership role.

All in all, Pippen is just confirming to many, hes a bit jealous of his ex teammate, Michael Jordan.

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Look at the guards MJ had to face in his era, compared to LeBrons. There is no contest.

Jordan survived in what was said to have been the toughest era in the NBA. Those players would make most of the player of this era look soft or D-League material and that's the truth.

My point is, Jordan survived and succeeded in a much tougher league while LeBron is benefiting from a much softer toned down NBA.

Also, in Mike's career , did he ever not show up in a big game? This guy would still play hard even being down by a bunch with 2minutes to go. I cant say the say for LeBron. Heck, I wont even get into the leadership role.

All in all, Pippen is just confirming to many, hes a bit jealous of his ex teammate, Michael Jordan.

Fuhgeddabouditt

This just sums it up for me. The greats that played throughout that era were amazing. There were so many amazing players back then. For Jordan to stand out and literally shut them down speaks to what he was. Also, Jordan knew how to finish a game. I'm certainly not calling James, who can't finish a game to save his own butt, the all time greatest player.

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I just find it amazing that for the last 3 yrs i've heard how Kobe was on his way to being better than jordan cause he was winning rings and finals mvp's etc. Then they get swept this year and it's like Kobe is an afterthought. Now the comparison goes to Lebron. At least with Kobe you can argue talent AND accomplishments to an extent. But Lebron has as many rings as i do and the comparisons are ALREADY on. The media is such prisoneers of the moment it's ridiculous. Pippen makes one comment and it's like the top story on sportscenter. I will never address a comparison to Jordan until you have a MINIMUM of 5 rings. You want to debate Kobe vs Michael? cool. At least there's some sort of case with that one. But Lebron vs Michael? come on now. Get at me in 6-7 yrs and MAYBE i will take what some of these people are saying seriously

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#30 HexedPelican
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Pippen is just being a jealous fool of MJ's greatness.
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"] Why? I've yet to see any reason not to put Lebron in league with these players. What in your opinion is it that he doesn't do?-Halftime-

He can do everything. But so can Chris Paul. That doesn't all of a sudden make them two of the greatest players ever. it's about accomplishments along with a mix of statistics. LeBron can't touch Jordan's statistics nor the things he accomplished like championships, MVP's, and Defensive Players of the Year. LeBron will never touch a season like MJ's 32, 8 and 8 season. I'm not trying to sound like a hater. But right now you can come up with 10-15 players that are better than LeBron throughout history. When all's said and done, he'll probably be in the top 10. But when he's only played 8 years and never won one title, let alone 6? And doesn't nearly have the ridiculous numbers that someone like Jordan put up. You just can't put him there. Any man that says LeBron James right now is a better player than Michael Jordan in his prime is probably delirious or tweaking on meth. Probably both.

Well said.

Look at the guards MJ had to face in his era, compared to LeBrons. There is no contest.

Jordan survived in what was said to have been the toughest era in the NBA. Those players would make most of the player of this era look soft or D-League material and that's the truth.

My point is, Jordan survived and succeeded in a much tougher league while LeBron is benefiting from a much softer toned down NBA.

Also, in Mike's career , did he ever not show up in a big game? This guy would still play hard even being down by a bunch with 2minutes to go. I cant say the say for LeBron. Heck, I wont even get into the leadership role.

All in all, Pippen is just confirming to many, hes a bit jealous of his ex teammate, Michael Jordan.

Fuhgeddabouditt
Also well said.
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I think that this arguement is better left for when LeBron's career is over.

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#33 vrizzle
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jordan was a better scorer than lebron, lebron is a player that can definately one day be better than jordan just for the fact that he is a freak of nature and has a great all around skill set, for now i would say kobe is the closest you can get to jordans shooting ability and lebron is the closest athletically to jordan. jordan is still the best player to ever play the game in my opinion

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MIchael Jordan was unstoppable on offense and also the best defensive guard ever-Halftime-

Bullcrap. That title goes to Gary Payton.

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#35 KCKING23
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i do not care what you people are saying right now only person in the whole history of the NBA that can be compared to MJ is Kobe Bean Bryant A.K.A The Black Mamba end of the story.

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]MIchael Jordan was unstoppable on offense and also the best defensive guard everOleg_Huzwog

Bullcrap. That title goes to Gary Payton.

1A and 1B. There's no wrong choice in that matter.
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Why compare MJ's entire career to half of LeBron's? You are comparing the accomplishments of one of the NBA greats to some who is 26 years old. MJ's first 8 years to LeBron's first 8 seems more practical to me. At that point in MJ's career (8th year) he won his first ring, whether James can do the same is to be determined.

ESPN showed the comparison and by the 8th year mark, MJ had 2 rings, 3 MVPs, and averaged more than 30pg while LeBron has 2MVPs, and averages just about 27pg a game. And of course, no rings. Also, people will take into fact that LeBron sided with D-Wade and Bosh on one team, which does hurt his overall legacy as a individual player.
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#38 EXEraserVS
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]MIchael Jordan was unstoppable on offense and also the best defensive guard ever-Halftime-

Bullcrap. That title goes to Gary Payton.

1A and 1B. There's no wrong choice in that matter.

Both MJ and Payton has the same records in defense, both with 9 all defensive first team and one defensive player of the year award.

But MJ has more steals, more blocks (considered the best shot-blocker for a guard).

I personally say MJ was probably the best offensive and defensive player of all time. So Pippen is wrong...MJ was the total package not LeBron.

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#39 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="EXEraserVS"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Why compare MJ's entire career to half of LeBron's? You are comparing the accomplishments of one of the NBA greats to some who is 26 years old. MJ's first 8 years to LeBron's first 8 seems more practical to me. At that point in MJ's career (8th year) he won his first ring, whether James can do the same is to be determined.

ESPN showed the comparison and by the 8th year mark, MJ had 2 rings, 3 MVPs, and averaged more than 30pg while LeBron has 2MVPs, and averages just about 27pg a game. And of course, no rings. Also, people will take into fact that LeBron sided with D-Wade and Bosh on one team, which does hurt his overall legacy as a individual player.

Yeah I made a mistake, and forgot to edit that post. No player in NBA history have been able to win by them self. Only two I remember coming close are Iverson and LeBron.
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#40 mont13
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[QUOTE="mont13"]

All I'll say for now is, Pippen is certainly wrong! Jordan is not the "best scorer to ever play the game".

Ok, at least he said "maybe" or "probably", depending on which qoute you read.

frostybanana

He can use whatever qualifiers he wants, what he's saying remains the same. It would look pretty questionable (and probably hurt his credibility) if he outright said LeBron is a better player before he even gets his first ring so he didn't definitively state it. So now he looks slightly less crazy. If Kobe isn't as good as MJ (and he's not), then there's no way LeBron is, especially without the hardware. Jordan can play the numbers game as well, let's not forget that. He had a season in which he scored 32 PPG, 8 RPG and 8 APG. But Jordan's game transcends the numbers. And for Pippen to insinuate that Jordan is JUST a scorer is absurd. Jordan got it done at both ends of the court and is the greatest basketball player ever period.

To clarify, my 2nd statement was concerning my first one. I disagree with Pippen calling Jordan "the best scorer to ever play the game", then I realized he said "probably" or "maybe"....still disagree though.

I haven't commented on Lebron being greater than Jordan yet.

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#41 mont13
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Concerning Lebron "probably, maybe being or at some point greater than Jordan...or whatever Pippen said.

Lebron is not yet "greater" than MJ, he needs more accomplishments for that. Talent wise Lebron is easily comparable to MJ. MJ didn't get the post up game until he had too, after losing some of the explosiveness. So I'm not going to hold that against Lebron and say lack of a post up game is one of the reasons Lebron is not as complete as MJ. Lebron still has his expolsiveness and I've seen signs of a post up game coming.

IMO, Lebron is just more of a force to deal with than MJ was, considering Lebrons size, quickness, strength, court vision, improved shooting ability (better than MJ from 3pt range), improved defense....I just watched Lebron "D" up one of the quickest, strongest, atheletic, expolsive point guards ever...D. Rose., not sure Jordan could do that in his 8th season. If I remember correctly Jordan began to have trouble with smaller, quicker guards at that point.

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#42 mont13
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Also, I think Gary Payton was a better man to man defender than MJ, and would also have to consider others,.... Sidney Moncrief, Walt Frazier, Michael Cooper, K.C. Jones, Scottie Pippen, Bruce Bowen....etc.

Was MJ even the best defender on his team after Pippen arrived and got established...just asking?

Basically I don't view MJ as the best offensive player or best defensive guard ever.

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#43 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="EXEraserVS"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Why compare MJ's entire career to half of LeBron's? You are comparing the accomplishments of one of the NBA greats to some who is 26 years old. MJ's first 8 years to LeBron's first 8 seems more practical to me. At that point in MJ's career (8th year) he won his first ring, whether James can do the same is to be determined.

ESPN showed the comparison and by the 8th year mark, MJ had 2 rings, 3 MVPs, and averaged more than 30pg while LeBron has 2MVPs, and averages just about 27pg a game. And of course, no rings. Also, people will take into fact that LeBron sided with D-Wade and Bosh on one team, which does hurt his overall legacy as a individual player.

Yeah I made a mistake, and forgot to edit that post. No player in NBA history have been able to win by them self. Only two I remember coming close are Iverson and LeBron.

How were they close?
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#44 No_Hablo_Ingles
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How were they close?Chutebox
Both brought their teams to the NBA championship. Neither series went to game seven or anything (not even close Iverson out in 5, LeBron in 4) but they brought their teams there.
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Without question LeBron is the better all around defender.

Jordan is the best when it comes to shooting guard but he was limited to point guards, shooting guards, and some small forwards.

LeBron on the other hand can match up with anyone on the floor and shut them down. The Chicago series showed off his talents because he was able to be put on Boozer and Rose and shut both of them down.

LeBron has the kind of versatility on the floor that no one's ever had before.

Jordan is the greatest ever but LeBron is on his way to make it a harder argument

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#46 Shadow_____
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The debate should be if "KOBE reached MJ". Lebron is a great player with a great body but in a year or two, time will slow him down. He is strong but he lack the smoothness that KOBE and MJ (and even WADE) has, therefore he soon won't be able to easily handle younger players as efficiently as KOBE and MJ did. We saw that so many times before, KEMP, IVERSON, CARTER, MCGRADY all were great players but not with a time-proof talent. In addition, Lebron's shooting isn't as good as everyone think. his average FG% comes most from power dunks and penetrations and not from jump shots. Lebron's is one of the all time greatests, but as for today, he's not in KOBE's and MJ's scale. KOBE had SHAQ and won 3 (plus 2 recently). MJ had PIPPEN and won 6. Lebron has WADE which is a fantastic player himself and a prooved winner. Only the future will allow such a debate and comparisson. If Lebron wants to validate this discussion he has A LOT of work to do.
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/Thread LeBron isn't even close to being as good as Jordan was.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ5Hw4sPK2g

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[QUOTE="mems_1224"] /Thread LeBron isn't even close to being as good as Jordan was.

I don't really get caught up in the whole Bron-Bron, Kobe, anyone else vs. Jordan debates... but that video was brilliant.