Poor Kobe...

If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.murlow12

wow first of all look at the stats if you followed basketball you would know the three times the Lakers played the spurs this year they've won 2 times, so don't try and say they cant do it in the playoffs in a 5 game series.andyboiii

If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.murlow12

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

It doesnt matter as long as the lakers keep winning.

If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.murlow12

yeah, i'm a suns fan but you can't compare Nash to Kobi. the Suns play a scorching 8-man rotation but even every player in "the fitness club," as the reserves call themselves, can shoot the lights out. Nash is a great athlete, don't hear me wrong, his training regime is the stuff of legends in this town, but look at what he's got to work with: The Matrix, STAT, and the fastest kid in the league, Barbosa, not to mention Boris Diaw as the second-best ball handler on the team and he can play the middle, and Raja "Ra Ra" Bell who is about as fierce as defenders get.

the Lakers are a good team, and many nights, a great team. and Odom knocks me out with what he can do - i've watched him wear the Suns offense out game after game. but kobi scores 50 a night because he can AND because he has to.

when you're deciding an MVP, the question isn't Steve or Kobi because they're completely different players in totally different systems. question is: what makes an MVP? is it a star player who picks the team up and carries them on his back, who fills the seats and dazzles us with play that makes instant hardwood cl@ssic moments? or is it a quiet guy, a humble leader who plays for the love of the game and elevates the skills of everyone around him? both arguments have merit, no?

i just don't think it makes sense to compare Kobi to other players. no one else is doing what Kobi can do and no one else has to do what Kobi has to do. i admire the guts out of him and i don't even like him. but the man can play and no one can take that away from him.

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.AHUGECAT

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

I just can't believe nobody has a new post about Kobe not making 50 points tonight! I swear, when he did it, one would pop up EVERYTIME and be the same exact thread with the same exact posts as the other ones! I will say Kobe's team did win tonight and they did during the streak but it is still a bit overrated just due to the fact that the teams they played suck and they barely won each game. I know Kobe is a very good player but scoring a lot in five straight games doesn't make him the best ever. His team is going to get dropped in the playoffs (if they make it since there is a chance they won't) because Kobe can't score like that consistently against the playoff caliber teams (I'm talking four games in a row against the likes of San Antonio, Mavs, Suns, Jazz, etc). So I have said it before and I will say it again, Kobe will not win MVP because he isn't the MVP. He is a very good SOLO player but he doesn't do what an MVP does which is make his teammates better. You can say he does make his team better but that hasn't amounted to much because he doesn't play like this all the time. If he has an off game (which he actually does) he doesn't help his team out at all because he will keep firing bricks and not get his team into it and let them help out. Dirk or Nash will get the MVP and the Lakers will lose in the 1st or MAYBE the 2nd round and that's that.nickdastick

I just had to laugh at this!!! MJ overrated?  No...  Kobe is nothing like MJ (He tried to be like him early in his career).  Kobe lacks the ability to make his team better.  MJ always made his team better by getting them involved.  MJ would never hesitate to find an open man while Kobe is a ball hog.   

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.AHUGECAT

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.JayPee89

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.JayPee89

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

it's possible but guess what, he's not here to rewrite history so until then, MJ is one of the greatest to ever play the game.  Kobe, although a great player, will never come close to comparison to MJ

[QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.LiL_PiNo

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.fws831

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.fws831

I just can't believe nobody has a new post about Kobe not making 50 points tonight! I swear, when he did it, one would pop up EVERYTIME and be the same exact thread with the same exact posts as the other ones! I will say Kobe's team did win tonight and they did during the streak but it is still a bit overrated just due to the fact that the teams they played suck and they barely won each game. I know Kobe is a very good player but scoring a lot in five straight games doesn't make him the best ever. His team is going to get dropped in the playoffs (if they make it since there is a chance they won't) because Kobe can't score like that consistently against the playoff caliber teams (I'm talking four games in a row against the likes of San Antonio, Mavs, Suns, Jazz, etc). So I have said it before and I will say it again, Kobe will not win MVP because he isn't the MVP. He is a very good SOLO player but he doesn't do what an MVP does which is make his teammates better. You can say he does make his team better but that hasn't amounted to much because he doesn't play like this all the time. If he has an off game (which he actually does) he doesn't help his team out at all because he will keep firing bricks and not get his team into it and let them help out. Dirk or Nash will get the MVP and the Lakers will lose in the 1st or MAYBE the 2nd round and that's that.nickdastick

I don't see the logic in your arguement. You said MVP makes other players better, but Kobe has consistently helped out his teammates and worked with them all season and made honest efforts to get teammates involved. Is that not enough? Should Nash get it because he gets 11 APG? Is it because Kobe ONLY gets 6 APG? Making team better can't be measured by assists since Kobe and Nash play in completely different positions.

Also, MVP is an award that goes to the person who has the single best season in the league and the most valuable to his own team. That's Kobe. There is no one who's playing better than Kobe and without Kobe, Lakers is a lottery team. 

Also, MVP is an award that goes to the person who has the single best season in the league and the most valuable to his own team. That's Kobe. There is no one who's playing better than Kobe and without Kobe, Lakers is a lottery team. dkhw

[QUOTE="nickdastick"]I just can't believe nobody has a new post about Kobe not making 50 points tonight! I swear, when he did it, one would pop up EVERYTIME and be the same exact thread with the same exact posts as the other ones! I will say Kobe's team did win tonight and they did during the streak but it is still a bit overrated just due to the fact that the teams they played suck and they barely won each game. I know Kobe is a very good player but scoring a lot in five straight games doesn't make him the best ever. His team is going to get dropped in the playoffs (if they make it since there is a chance they won't) because Kobe can't score like that consistently against the playoff caliber teams (I'm talking four games in a row against the likes of San Antonio, Mavs, Suns, Jazz, etc). So I have said it before and I will say it again, Kobe will not win MVP because he isn't the MVP. He is a very good SOLO player but he doesn't do what an MVP does which is make his teammates better. You can say he does make his team better but that hasn't amounted to much because he doesn't play like this all the time. If he has an off game (which he actually does) he doesn't help his team out at all because he will keep firing bricks and not get his team into it and let them help out. Dirk or Nash will get the MVP and the Lakers will lose in the 1st or MAYBE the 2nd round and that's that.dkhw

I don't see the logic in your arguement. You said MVP makes other players better, but Kobe has consistently helped out his teammates and worked with them all season and made honest efforts to get teammates involved. Is that not enough? Should Nash get it because he gets 11 APG? Is it because Kobe ONLY gets 6 APG? Making team better can't be measured by assists since Kobe and Nash play in completely different positions.

Also, MVP is an award that goes to the person who has the single best season in the league and the most valuable to his own team. That's Kobe. There is no one who's playing better than Kobe and without Kobe, Lakers is a lottery team.

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[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.JayPee89

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

[QUOTE="dkhw"]

[QUOTE="nickdastick"]I just can't believe nobody has a new post about Kobe not making 50 points tonight! I swear, when he did it, one would pop up EVERYTIME and be the same exact thread with the same exact posts as the other ones! I will say Kobe's team did win tonight and they did during the streak but it is still a bit overrated just due to the fact that the teams they played suck and they barely won each game. I know Kobe is a very good player but scoring a lot in five straight games doesn't make him the best ever. His team is going to get dropped in the playoffs (if they make it since there is a chance they won't) because Kobe can't score like that consistently against the playoff caliber teams (I'm talking four games in a row against the likes of San Antonio, Mavs, Suns, Jazz, etc). So I have said it before and I will say it again, Kobe will not win MVP because he isn't the MVP. He is a very good SOLO player but he doesn't do what an MVP does which is make his teammates better. You can say he does make his team better but that hasn't amounted to much because he doesn't play like this all the time. If he has an off game (which he actually does) he doesn't help his team out at all because he will keep firing bricks and not get his team into it and let them help out. Dirk or Nash will get the MVP and the Lakers will lose in the 1st or MAYBE the 2nd round and that's that.SilverArmor82

I don't see the logic in your arguement. You said MVP makes other players better, but Kobe has consistently helped out his teammates and worked with them all season and made honest efforts to get teammates involved. Is that not enough? Should Nash get it because he gets 11 APG? Is it because Kobe ONLY gets 6 APG? Making team better can't be measured by assists since Kobe and Nash play in completely different positions.

Also, MVP is an award that goes to the person who has the single best season in the league and the most valuable to his own team. That's Kobe. There is no one who's playing better than Kobe and without Kobe, Lakers is a lottery team.

Okay, first of all you have totally missed the point I was mkaing in my post. I never compared Kobe to Nash or Dirk to Kobe or Dirk to Nash! You put this post in like I compared them when I didn't. No kidding they play different  positions but I didn't say that so it's a moot point. Second of all, I was basically mocking all the other topics that were praising him for getting over 50 four games in a row. I didn't say that he sucked it up last night, I just had to point out that he didn't hit 50 so nobody made a topic on him. I still don't think Kobe is the kind of player that can take his team very far because he doesn't help them step up. I like what some others have said that he isn't as good as MJ because MJ would be happy to dish it out if he had a guy open and he did that quite a bit. Kobe just doesn't have that mind set. I will say it again, he is a very good player but not MVP.

Oh, and to the first person that replied to this topic, are you on something? I don't get how you can read what I put and then make all these statements that have no bearing on my post yet act like they are rebuttles to everything I said... Seriously, cut back on the coffee or something... 

[QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.hoop_hard

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

He was using the word ball hog to state an obvious difference between Kobe and MJ. Here are their stats

G           FG% 3PFG% FT% Rebs   RPG Asts    APG Stls      Blks Pts            PPG

MJ 

1,072 .497   .327     .835  6,672 6.2  5,633 5.3   2,514 893  32,292     30.1

Kobe

          .453   .339     .838            5.2          4.5                                 24.5

Obviously those others I left out are totals and those are worthless for a comparison when Kobe is still playing and hasn't played as long as MJ did. Now, first of all, look at the FG%. Some may think that isn't a big difference but it is!!! Almost a 5 point swing in MJ's favor. I know the 3's and FT's are similar and in Kobe's favor (by a touch) but I just had to take all of MJ's stuff so I left them in there even though they don't change much. Back to the stats, Jordan grabbed one more board a game and had almost one more assist which both add up but the big thing is the PPG difference. MJ had close to 6 points on Kobe!!! He scored 30.1 on average and still has a better APG and RPG showing he was more of a team player and knew that having his teammates help was big. Hence his six rings WITHOUT Shaq (or someone like him, he did have Pippen but Kobe has a very capable Odam). So what the guy you are quoting was doing was just pointing out their differences that make one Uber great and the other one just great.

[QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.hoop_hard

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

[QUOTE="fws831"][QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.murlow12

[QUOTE="hoop_hard"][QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.nickdastick

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

He was using the word ball hog to state an obvious difference between Kobe and MJ. Here are their stats

G           FG% 3PFG% FT% Rebs   RPG Asts    APG Stls      Blks Pts            PPG

MJ 

1,072 .497   .327     .835  6,672 6.2  5,633 5.3   2,514 893  32,292     30.1

Kobe

          .453   .339     .838            5.2          4.5                                 24.5

Obviously those others I left out are totals and those are worthless for a comparison when Kobe is still playing and hasn't played as long as MJ did. Now, first of all, look at the FG%. Some may think that isn't a big difference but it is!!! Almost a 5 point swing in MJ's favor. I know the 3's and FT's are similar and in Kobe's favor (by a touch) but I just had to take all of MJ's stuff so I left them in there even though they don't change much. Back to the stats, Jordan grabbed one more board a game and had almost one more assist which both add up but the big thing is the PPG difference. MJ had close to 6 points on Kobe!!! He scored 30.1 on average and still has a better APG and RPG showing he was more of a team player and knew that having his teammates help was big. Hence his six rings WITHOUT Shaq (or someone like him, he did have Pippen but Kobe has a very capable Odam). So what the guy you are quoting was doing was just pointing out their differences that make one Uber great and the other one just great.

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="fws831"][QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.Me_Ur_Daddy_

Kobe is better than MJ.

 You heard it here first, and then ESPN agreed with me.

[QUOTE="hoop_hard"][QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.nickdastick

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

He was using the word ball hog to state an obvious difference between Kobe and MJ. Here are their stats

G FG% 3PFG% FT% Rebs RPG Asts APG Stls Blks Pts PPG

MJ

1,072 .497 .327 .835 6,672 6.2 5,633 5.3 2,514 893 32,292 30.1

Kobe

.453 .339 .838 5.2 4.5 24.5

Obviously those others I left out are totals and those are worthless for a comparison when Kobe is still playing and hasn't played as long as MJ did. Now, first of all, look at the FG%. Some may think that isn't a big difference but it is!!! Almost a 5 point swing in MJ's favor. I know the 3's and FT's are similar and in Kobe's favor (by a touch) but I just had to take all of MJ's stuff so I left them in there even though they don't change much. Back to the stats, Jordan grabbed one more board a game and had almost one more assist which both add up but the big thing is the PPG difference. MJ had close to 6 points on Kobe!!! He scored 30.1 on average and still has a better APG and RPG showing he was more of a team player and knew that having his teammates help was big. Hence his six rings WITHOUT Shaq (or someone like him, he did have Pippen but Kobe has a very capable Odam). So what the guy you are quoting was doing was just pointing out their differences that make one Uber great and the other one just great.

First off, you can't compare Kobe's Stats to MJ's Stats. They are both different players. MJ was a midrange, post-up player, hence his 50% Shooting. Shaq shoots a better percentage than MJ, does that mean he is a better shooter? No because Shot tendency plays a great part of your percentage. Furthermore, you are trying to say that Jordan was a better team player because he grabbed one more assist and one more rebound while averaging 6 more points. Do you even know what a team player is? No you don't. You don't even know what a ball hog is cause I just saw you use the word improperly again. Being a team player doesn't appear on the stat sheet. Assist have nothing to do with being a team player. Do you even know what an Assist is? Its a pass to a teammate that leads directly to a shot. A team player works well with his teammates, he likes it when he sees his team doing well. The team feeds off this person because of his talent, such as the Lakers and Kobe. As everyone who ever won a championship knows you can't win them by yourself. Not even MJ, he was lead by a great coach and he had veteran players by his side the whole time. Except early in his career when he was averaging 37 Points a game, attempting the same amount of field goals as Kobe did last season. He didn't win championships then, did he? He was called a ball hog even though he wasn't. They said he wasn't a team player, and that he would never win a championship. Does that remind you of anybody?

Kobe isn't currently averaging 30 Points a Game for his career but I am sure he will when its all said and done. He was at 22 Points Per Game last season. Unlike Jordan, Kobe entered the league at a very young age. In fact, he was the youngest player to play the game until Andrew Bynum. For the beginning part of his career he showed flashes of talent and he was a major part of the Lakers three-peat Championship in the 2000-2002 era. He was average 6-7 Assist per game because he the team was deeper and he didn't need to step up but he did when it was necessary. When Shaq was injured for a good part of the season he averaged 30 PPG. Then he got 35 PPG. He isn't a ball hog. He understands the game and he can help his team with his scoring. Steve Nash helps his team by passing, Kobe does it by scoring. They are both great team players but their roles are different; however, you Negative Nancys dont care. You don't appreciate Kobe for the great player he is and the way you present MJ, you don't appreciate him for the great player he was.

No way. Kobe is the best right now but there is no way he is better than MJ.SilverArmor82

I totally agree 

[QUOTE="nickdastick"][QUOTE="hoop_hard"][QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.hoop_hard

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

He was using the word ball hog to state an obvious difference between Kobe and MJ. Here are their stats

G FG% 3PFG% FT% Rebs RPG Asts APG Stls Blks Pts PPG

MJ

1,072 .497 .327 .835 6,672 6.2 5,633 5.3 2,514 893 32,292 30.1

Kobe

.453 .339 .838 5.2 4.5 24.5

Obviously those others I left out are totals and those are worthless for a comparison when Kobe is still playing and hasn't played as long as MJ did. Now, first of all, look at the FG%. Some may think that isn't a big difference but it is!!! Almost a 5 point swing in MJ's favor. I know the 3's and FT's are similar and in Kobe's favor (by a touch) but I just had to take all of MJ's stuff so I left them in there even though they don't change much. Back to the stats, Jordan grabbed one more board a game and had almost one more assist which both add up but the big thing is the PPG difference. MJ had close to 6 points on Kobe!!! He scored 30.1 on average and still has a better APG and RPG showing he was more of a team player and knew that having his teammates help was big. Hence his six rings WITHOUT Shaq (or someone like him, he did have Pippen but Kobe has a very capable Odam). So what the guy you are quoting was doing was just pointing out their differences that make one Uber great and the other one just great.

First off, you can't compare Kobe's Stats to MJ's Stats. They are both different players. MJ was a midrange, post-up player, hence his 50% Shooting. Shaq shoots a better percentage than MJ, does that mean he is a better shooter? No because Shot tendency plays a great part of your percentage. Furthermore, you are trying to say that Jordan was a better team player because he grabbed one more assist and one more rebound while averaging 6 more points. Do you even know what a team player is? No you don't. You don't even know what a ball hog is cause I just saw you use the word improperly again. Being a team player doesn't appear on the stat sheet. Assist have nothing to do with being a team player. Do you even know what an Assist is? Its a pass to a teammate that leads directly to a shot. A team player works well with his teammates, he likes it when he sees his team doing well. The team feeds off this person because of his talent, such as the Lakers and Kobe. As everyone who ever won a championship knows you can't win them by yourself. Not even MJ, he was lead by a great coach and he had veteran players by his side the whole time. Except early in his career when he was averaging 37 Points a game, attempting the same amount of field goals as Kobe did last season. He didn't win championships then, did he? He was called a ball hog even though he wasn't. They said he wasn't a team player, and that he would never win a championship. Does that remind you of anybody?

Kobe isn't currently averaging 30 Points a Game for his career but I am sure he will when its all said and done. He was at 22 Points Per Game last season. Unlike Jordan, Kobe entered the league at a very young age. In fact, he was the youngest player to play the game until Andrew Bynum. For the beginning part of his career he showed flashes of talent and he was a major part of the Lakers three-peat Championship in the 2000-2002 era. He was average 6-7 Assist per game because he the team was deeper and he didn't need to step up but he did when it was necessary. When Shaq was injured for a good part of the season he averaged 30 PPG. Then he got 35 PPG. He isn't a ball hog. He understands the game and he can help his team with his scoring. Steve Nash helps his team by passing, Kobe does it by scoring. They are both great team players but their roles are different; however, you Negative Nancys dont care. You don't appreciate Kobe for the great player he is and the way you present MJ, you don't appreciate him for the great player he was.

Finally, somebody said high APG doesn't MEAN you make other better. It's the locker presence, the leadership, the respect, the willingness to help others improve, and honestly making efforts to involve everyone in the game. Kobe has provided all of these in this season. If APG determined this then Duncan, Russell, Chamberlain, MJ, Bird don't deserve their MVP or a place at the Hall of Fame.

Also, another reason for Kobe not being a ball hog is the situation he is under. The Lakers team at the moment can't survive without Kobe taking the ball and trying to score 50 points a game. In the beginning of the season, others stepped up, but right now, Kobe is in a situation where he has to score to get his team a W.

Great point about APG vs. PPG. Both help teams to win. Why argue which stat is more important? It's just that Nash helps his team by passing while Kobe helps Lakers win by scoring. 

Kobe is better than MJ.

 You heard it here first, and then ESPN agreed with me.

murlow12

[QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.LiL_PiNo

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

To hate on someone is to have no regard or respect for someone.  You made the claim that I hate on Kobe.  I don't know Kobe personally/professionally to hate on him or anyone.  I have watched Kobe's play and I am just not impressed.  He can drop another 50+ points but I would still not be impressed.  MJ played unselfishly during his time (i.e. 92-93 Finals game where he passed the ball to Paxson for the series win...Kobe would have went for the shot and not even look for another teammate).  MJ was also a great leader and a great defender.  If you want to go by statistics, MJ was better than Kobe in almost every category including assists per game and points.  They have the same FT percentage to date.  So this crap about MJ being overrated just needs to quit.  Just because everyone jumps on the Bryant bandwagon for scoring 40+ points in the last few games doesn't mean I should too.  I have nothing against Bryant.  I wish him nothing but success. 

[QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.hoop_hard

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

Everyone saying that Kobe is better than Jordan is crazy. End of story.Solid_Snake_7

MJ was the better all around player period.  Scoring, defense, assists, rebounding, leadership, etc.  Right now Kobe's career avg ppg 24.5 in 11 years of play.  He would need a few 50+ ppg average to reach MJ's career ppg (won't happen).  MJ also had a sizzling .505  career field goal percentage.  Kobe is scoring 40+ points in a few games and all of a sudden he's better than MJ?  I laughed so hard when I read those posts.

I'm guessing most of the people picking Kobe over Jordan were just little tykes when Jordan played and were too young to remember how great he was, either that or just not very knowledgeable about basketball.  Maybe when it's all said and done, but to say it now, ridiculous.smallville206

Kobe is better than MJ.

You heard it here first, and then ESPN agreed with me.

murlow12

[QUOTE="murlow12"]

Kobe is better than MJ.

You heard it here first, and then ESPN agreed with me.

andyboiii

I'm guessing most of the people picking Kobe over Jordan were just little tykes when Jordan played and were too young to remember how great he was, either that or just not very knowledgeable about basketball. Maybe when it's all said and done, but to say it now, ridiculous.smallville206

To hate on someone is to have no regard or respect for someone. You made the claim that I hate on Kobe. I don't know Kobe personally/professionally to hate on him or anyone. I have watched Kobe's play and I am just not impressed. He can drop another 50+ points but I would still not be impressed. MJ played unselfishly during his time (i.e. 92-93 Finals game where he passed the ball to Paxson for the series win...Kobe would have went for the shot and not even look for another teammate). MJ was also a great leader and a great defender. If you want to go by statistics, MJ was better than Kobe in almost every category including assists per game and points. They have the same FT percentage to date. So this crap about MJ being overrated just needs to quit. Just because everyone jumps on the Bryant bandwagon for scoring 40+ points in the last few games doesn't mean I should too. I have nothing against Bryant. I wish him nothing but success.

[QUOTE="hoop_hard"][QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]If Kobe's overrated then so is Michael Jordan.mrvic87

MJ IS overrated. Great? Heck yes. Greatest? Heck no.

Get out of here with that crap. I never said MJ was overrated and I never "jumped on Kobe's Bandwagon. I've been watching Kobe play since he came into the league. Also, you said it yourself "To hate on someone is to have no regard or respect for someone."

Kobe is scoring 40+ points in a few games and all of a sudden he's better than MJ?  I laughed so hard when I read those posts.mrvic87