Your top ten QBs of all time

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1. Joe Montana

2. Tom Brady

3. Peyton Manning

4. John Elway

5. Johhny Unitas

6. Brett Favre

7. Dan Marino

8.Otto Graham

9. Bart Starr

10. Dan Fouts

1. Dan Marino

2. Joe Montana

3. Peyton Manning

4. Johnny Unitas

5. Sonny Jurgensen

6. Kurt Warner

7. Steve Young

8. Fran Tarkenton

9. Roger Staubach

10. Tom Brady

I'd would've had Drew Brees in there too because, IMO, he's the most accurate quarterback in NFL history, but I feel like he needs a few more years to pad his numbers a bit more.

1. Joe Montana
2. Dan Marino
3. Johnny Unitas
4. John Elway
5. Brett Favre
6. Fran Tarkenton
7. Steve Young
8. Len Dawson
9. Troy Aikman
10. Warren Moon

(only retired players)

1. Dan Marino

2. Joe Montana

3. Peyton Manning

4. Johnny Unitas

5. Sonny Jurgensen

6. Kurt Warner

7. Steve Young

8. Fran Tarkenton

9. Roger Staubach

10. Tom Brady

I'd would've had Drew Brees in there too because, IMO, he's the most accurate quarterback in NFL history, but I feel like he needs a few more years to pad his numbers a bit more.

frostybanana

[QUOTE="frostybanana"]

1. Dan Marino

2. Joe Montana

3. Peyton Manning

4. Johnny Unitas

5. Sonny Jurgensen

6. Kurt Warner

7. Steve Young

8. Fran Tarkenton

9. Roger Staubach

10. Tom Brady

I'd would've had Drew Brees in there too because, IMO, he's the most accurate quarterback in NFL history, but I feel like he needs a few more years to pad his numbers a bit more.

No_Hablo_Ingles

If he didn't have the rings, I wouldn't have him on there at all. IMO, all of those players and a few that aren't on the list, including Brees are better pure passers than Brady is.frostybanana

[QUOTE="frostybanana"]If he didn't have the rings, I wouldn't have him on there at all. IMO, all of those players and a few that aren't on the list, including Brees are better pure passers than Brady is.No_Hablo_Ingles

I personally don't rank Quarterbacks, especially over different eras, like "this guy is #1, this guy is #2, etc." because they are all asked to do different things for their respective teams.I prefer to rank players in tiers.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out that it's quite rare (even among Patriot haters) that he is ranked outside the top 5 because of his accomplishments and records.

I personally don't rank Quarterbacks, especially over different eras, because they are all asked to do different things for their respective teams. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out that it's quite rare (even among Patriot haters) that he is ranked outside the top 5 because of his accomplishments and records.No_Hablo_Ingles

Well let's see

1. Joe Montana
2. Tom Brady
3. Terry Bradshaw
4. Johnny Unitas
5. Otto Graham
6. Steve Young
7. Sammy Baugh
8. John Elway
9. Dan Marino
10. Peyton Manning

I'm comfortable with that list

The only one that was hard is the Marino/Elway placement. Both of them had awful front offices that expected them to make up for a deficient running game yet never bothered looking at a coach to do something like a West Coast offense that would have helped.

I gave the nod to Elway because when he was given adequate support he was able to get it done, I think Marino would have but no one knows for sure.

So a subtle way to have another Peyton Manning VS Tom Brady? Great.

Anyways, here's my Top 10

1. Peyton Manning

2. Joe Montana

3. John Elway

4. Dan Marino

5. Johnny Unitas

6. Sammy Baugh

7. Tom Brady

8. Otto Graham

9. Steve Young

10. Roger Staubach

1. Joe Montana
2. Johnny Unitas
3. John Elway
4. Tom Brady
5. Peyton Manning
6. Otto Graham
7. Bart Starr
8. Steve Young
9. Dan Marino
10. Sammy Baugh

The problem with Brees is his arm strength. He's clearly limited in that regard if you compare to the other guys in our Top 10s.

The problem with Brees is his arm strength. He's clearly limited in that regard if you compare to the other guys in our Top 10s.

Darth_Revan_666

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The problem with Brees is his arm strength. He's clearly limited in that regard if you compare to the other guys in our Top 10s.

frostybanana

He can throw downfield just fine, but clearly not with the same zip in it. And sometimes its the difference between an interception and a big gain. Like he had many of those INTs this season.

[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="Darth_Revan_666"]

The problem with Brees is his arm strength. He's clearly limited in that regard if you compare to the other guys in our Top 10s.

Darth_Revan_666

He can throw downfield just fine, but clearly not with the same zip in it. And sometimes its the difference between an interception and a big gain. Like he had many of those INTs this season.

1. Joe Montanna- Speaks for itself. He is the greatest ever.

2. Tom Brady- Compare Brady's achievements to Montanna. He's 1 ring short of becoming the greatest ever.

3. John Elway- 2 rings, and he earned those suckers. Was almost a 1 man team.

4. Brett Favre- All the records, 3 MVP's, 1 Ring, yet still feels like a career that never was as great as it could have been.

5. Peyton Manning- 4 MVP's, 1 ring, bad post-season record.

6. Troy Aikman- 3 rings for a dynasty.

7. Dan Marino- No rings, bad post season record. But one of the best passers ever.

8. Johnny Unitus- Does not have elite numbers, but no QB came close to him in his era. And he has rings.

9. Terry Bradshaw- 4 rings matter, but his numbers are bleh and history has not been kind to him.

10. Bart Starr- One of the greatest winners of all time, but his career numbers don't match up.

BTW, I do take era into account...

I would like to put out there that Tom Brady, in his prime, hasnt won anything, but his young and still developing self won rings. Why? Because it takes a great defense, more often than not, to win championships. When he was part of the most prolific offense of all-time, he lost to Eli Manning. And yet we all know Eli is not even close to be as good as Tom Brady. The same way Tom Brady wasnt nearly as good as Kurt Warner when he beat him. The only playoffs where the Colts ever won a SB with Peyton was when Bob Sanders was running around healthy and stopping the run. Joe Montana had a great defense as well. Ronnie Lott was the best defender of the era right behind Lawrence Taylor. You cant simply judge QBs on their rings and playoff records. Its complete BS fallacy.

The Ring fallacy is among the worse in sports. Robbert Horry has more rings (7) then Michael Jordan (6). Terry Bradshaw has more rings (3) then Peyton Manning (1). Rings/Championships are not an accurate indicator of an individual's talents in TEAM SPORTS.No_Hablo_Ingles

Bradshaw has 4 rings...

But regardless, I think rings matter, and I look at John Elway as the primary example... he basically won 2 rings by himself...

Name 1 great defensive player he played with? Or a great wide receiver in his prime? Terrell Davis? He did nothing after he left Denver...

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]The Ring fallacy is among the worse in sports. Robbert Horry has more rings (7) then Michael Jordan (6). Terry Bradshaw has more rings (3) then Peyton Manning (1). Rings/Championships are not an accurate indicator of an individual's talents in TEAM SPORTS.heysharpshooter

Bradshaw has 4 rings...

But regardless, I think rings matter, and I look at John Elway as the primary example... he basically won 2 rings by himself...

Name 1 great defensive player he played with? Or a great wide receiver in his prime? Terrell Davis? He did nothing after he left Denver...

HAHAHAHA Spewing so much ignorance.Terrell Davis did nothing after Elway's departure, because he had career-ending injuries.John Elway lost 3 Superbowls when he was by himself. Then, when he had Terrell Davis (the best RB in the NFL in his prime along with Barry Sanders) only then he started winning Superbowls. And with a very good defense, it wasnt great, but I dont remember them being blown up by any offenses.

And DUH rings does matter, but only in the context of each individual circumstances.

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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]The Ring fallacy is among the worse in sports. Robbert Horry has more rings (7) then Michael Jordan (6). Terry Bradshaw has more rings (3) then Peyton Manning (1). Rings/Championships are not an accurate indicator of an individual's talents in TEAM SPORTS.Darth_Revan_666

Bradshaw has 4 rings...

But regardless, I think rings matter, and I look at John Elway as the primary example... he basically won 2 rings by himself...

Name 1 great defensive player he played with? Or a great wide receiver in his prime? Terrell Davis? He did nothing after he left Denver...

HAHAHAHA Spewing so much ignorance.Terrell Davis did nothing after Elway's departure, because he had career-ending injuries.John Elway lost 3 Superbowls when he was by himself. Then, when he had Terrell Davis (the best RB in the NFL in his prime along with Barry Sanders) only then he started winning Superbowls. And with a very good defense, it wasnt great, but I dont remember them being blown up by any offenses.

And DUH rings does matter, but only in the context of each individual circumstances.

And Terrell Davis was nothing without the zone blocking scheme... NOTHING...

Elway WAS the Denver Broncos...

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]The Ring fallacy is among the worse in sports. Robbert Horry has more rings (7) then Michael Jordan (6). Terry Bradshaw has more rings (3) then Peyton Manning (1). Rings/Championships are not an accurate indicator of an individual's talents in TEAM SPORTS.heysharpshooter

Bradshaw has 4 rings...

But regardless, I think rings matter, and I look at John Elway as the primary example... he basically won 2 rings by himself...

Name 1 great defensive player he played with? Or a great wide receiver in his prime? Terrell Davis? He did nothing after he left Denver...

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]The Ring fallacy is among the worse in sports. Robbert Horry has more rings (7) then Michael Jordan (6). Terry Bradshaw has more rings (3) then Peyton Manning (1). Rings/Championships are not an accurate indicator of an individual's talents in TEAM SPORTS.heysharpshooter

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]The Ring fallacy is among the worse in sports. Robbert Horry has more rings (7) then Michael Jordan (6). Terry Bradshaw has more rings (3) then Peyton Manning (1). Rings/Championships are not an accurate indicator of an individual's talents in TEAM SPORTS.No_Hablo_Ingles

I wasn't trying to refute you... just a correction...

everyone has different criteria...

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]Bradshaw has 4 rings...heysharpshooter

I wasn't trying to refute you... just a correction...

everyone has different criteria...

Stats? How Clutch Brady seems?

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] I don't see how that refutes my point... at all, but thanks.

No_Hablo_Ingles

I wasn't trying to refute you... just a correction...

everyone has different criteria...

Stats? How Clutch Brady seems?

The problem with Bradshaw is the era he played... his stats are not that great...

I think people really under-estimate the QB in the modern NFL... A lot of people point to how older QB's like Unitus and Bradshaw would call their own plays and didn't have the coach do it for them... but 60% of the plays were running plays, and back then NFL defenses were as complicated as a push mower...

Modern QB's also call their own plays... some of them, like Brady and Peyton, audilbe the called play 3 or 4 times depending on the defense... and NFL teams are passing so much now... not to mention how crazy NFL defenses are now... back when Bradshaw played, it was mostly the 4-3, with man coverage on every play and some run blitzes... Peyton gets to see the Zone Blitz, Tampa-2, Cover-3, fake blitzes, wrap arounds and stunts... all in the same game! Its crazy how much information these modern QB's have to deal with...

I try to balance stats, rings, MVP's, record and post season record when ranking my QB's... that means some of the older QB's are behind in the stats department... its just my criteria...

And my rankings are not totally "winning oriented"... I have Peyton, Favre and Elway over Aikman, who won 3 SB's...

I dock points for now winning a SB... sorry if that bothers anyone... I am not the only person... in the end, Championships mean a hell of a lot more than most other things... ask Dan Marino about it...

The Ring fallacy is among the worse in sports. Robbert Horry has more rings (7) then Michael Jordan (6). Terry Bradshaw has more rings (3) then Peyton Manning (1). Rings/Championships are not an accurate indicator of an individual's talents in TEAM SPORTS.No_Hablo_Ingles

Bradshaw is one of the best 5 QB's of all time

He altered his game to allow the Steelers to be a better team

The only time the team ever "unlocked" him was in the playoffs where he was money

Bradshaw is one of the best 5 QB's of all timeJaysonguy

And my rankings are not totally "winning oriented"... I have Peyton, Favre and Elway over Aikman, who won 3 SB's...heysharpshooter

It's not solely win oriented, however, it is win oritented.

9 out of your 10 QBs have won at least one Superbowl, the only one on your list not to have won a Superbowl (Marino) is #2 in both Career Touchdowns, and Careers Yards currently.

Also 6 of your top ten (Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Elway, Aikman, Starr) won multiple championships... 3 others (Farve, Marino, and Manning) are first, second, and third in career Passing Yards and Touchdowns.

So you may not have intended for 90% being SUperbowl winners, and 60% of your people listed being multiple time champions, it's quite obvious that you value winning over everything else.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]And my rankings are not totally "winning oriented"... I have Peyton, Favre and Elway over Aikman, who won 3 SB's...No_Hablo_Ingles

It's not solely win oriented, however, it is win oritented.

9 out of your 10 QBs have one a Superbowl.

6 of your top ten (Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Elway, Aikman, Starr) won multiple championships... 3 others (Farve, Marino, and Manning) are first, second, and third in career Passing Yards and Touchdowns.

So you may not have intended for 90% being SUperbowl winners, and 60% of your people listed being multiple time champions, it's quite obvious that you value winning over everything else.

How many QB's would you put in the top 10 not win a SB?

The only 1 I can think of is Warren Moon... you could make a strong case for him in the top 10, but would you put him in over Steve Young? I would put him in front of Kurt Warner, but some might now cause Warner won a ring... Jim Kelly? Dan Fouts?

There are not that many truly great all time QB's that haven't won a SB...

Here is what I think of the "rings" arguement: Roger Staubach > Troy Aikmin even though Aikmin has more rings.

How many QB's would you put in the top 10 not win a SB?heysharpshooter

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]How many QB's would you put in the top 10 not win a SB?No_Hablo_Ingles

His stats don't compare and no MVP's... he might get there if he wins another ring and consistently puts up solid numbers... which BTW, even with his average career numbers, he owns all the Steelers passing records once held by Terry Bradshaw...

Needs more stats... and you can be a great QB and not a top 10 all time guy... Kenny Stabler was great, is he top 10? No...

How many QB's would you put in the top 10 not win a SB?

The only 1 I can think of is Warren Moon...

heysharpshooter

Dan Marino???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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How many QB's would you put in the top 10 not win a SB?

The only 1 I can think of is Warren Moon...

Darth_Revan_666

Dan Marino???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

How many QB's would you put in the top 10 not win a SB?

The only 1 I can think of is Warren Moon...

Darth_Revan_666

Dan Marino???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

How many QB's would you put in the top 10 not win a SB?

heysharpshooter

[QUOTE="Darth_Revan_666"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

How many QB's would you put in the top 10 not win a SB?

The only 1 I can think of is Warren Moon...

monkeytoes61

Dan Marino???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

True and true.

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="Darth_Revan_666"]

Dan Marino???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Darth_Revan_666

True and true.

I mentioned Dan Fouts and Jim Kelly... forgot about Tarkenton... in the previous, unaltered post...

Lol, Dan Fouts as a top 10 qb... please. Bobbles

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]Lol, Dan Fouts as a top 10 qb... please. monkeytoes61

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[QUOTE="Bobbles"]Lol, Dan Fouts as a top 10 qb... please. Bobbles

[QUOTE="Bobbles"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"] Dan Fouts could have won multiple championships if the defense had not been so bad. Just look at the last seven years of Fouts' career, and how the SD defense ranked during those years: 27, 25, 26, 28, 26, 23, 15. Compare that to how the offense ranked during those same years: 1, 1, 1, 4, 1, 12, 21.

frostybanana

Im pretty sure all of us never actually saw him play.