1 Day until the Fallout 3 trailer! Another GOTY in the making.

Am I the only one super excited about Fallout 3? Yeah, of course I'm anxious for the release of games like Mass Effect, GTA IV, Conan: Hyborian Adventures, Half-Life, etc. but it's Fallout 3 that I am most eager to find out more info on. The game itself probably won't be released until sometime in 08 or 09 but I'll be glued to the Fallout 3 web page all day tomorrow until they release that trailer!

Yes you are, since it's bethesda making it, and they've shown the entire world they know NOTHING about making a Fallout. Their concept of RPG is making an action-adventure with a few rpg elements, and than label it as an rpg.

This will be an oblivion with guns, which means destroying the name of Fallout 3.... 

Until Bethesda announces they've hired the ex-black isle guys to make it. Mark my words, it won't be anywhere near a sequel to Fallout.

Yes you are, since it's bethesda making it, and they've shown the entire world they know NOTHING about making a Fallout. Their concept of RPG is making an action-adventure with a few rpg elements, and than label it as an rpg.

This will be an oblivion with guns, which means destroying the name of Fallout 3.... 

Until Bethesda announces they've hired the ex-black isle guys to make it. Mark my words, it won't be anywhere near a sequel to Fallout.

2FacedJanus

Why do you think that? Just because they make one gaming license in a certain way doesn't mean that every game they make will follow that same formula or style. That would be crazy. But I guess we will find out tomorrow what direction they are going with this project. Of course I hope that they keep the spirit of the original fallout universe alive but at the same time there isn't anything wrong with introducing something new into it.

If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*Vandalvideo

If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*klactose

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*smokeydabear076

The only way this won't be ruined is for a PC-Exclusive, and I doubt that's going to happen. There's no way they are gonna be able to preserve the Fallout name if it's consolized, it would be impossible. 

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*mismajor99

The only way this won't be ruined is for a PC-Exclusive, and I doubt that's going to happen. There's no way they are gonna be able to preserve the Fallout name if it's consolized, it would be impossible.

It could still be ruined.

Look at Fallout:Tactics. A decent game overall, but its not what Fallout was about. 

[QUOTE="klactose"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*smokeydabear076

yeah me too. But I don't think they would be crazy enough develop this game without focusing on the PC, everybody else should be a secondary consideration.

"sniff sniff".... I smell consolization!

Who cares if its on consoles or not? If it adheres to the same spirit and has great writing it won't matter. I'm excited about this game. JiveT

My post can be misleading. I meant that with Bethesda behind the works on Fallout 3 it might or will eventually be multi-plat,

[QUOTE="JiveT"]Who cares if its on consoles or not? If it adheres to the same spirit and has great writing it won't matter. I'm excited about this game. Zero_Fate_

My post can be misleading. I meant that with Bethesda behind the works on Fallout 3 it might or will eventually be multi-plat,

If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*Vandalvideo

No doubt in my mind it will be first person, consolized, and real time.

Bethesda... :| 

I fail to see why this is on system wars....daytona_178

For the same reasons theres a Halo 3 discussion stickied up top. I mean, they could keep that all in the 360 forum, right? 

Lets just hope its doesnt get the same kind of "lateral upgrade" as they went from Morrowind to Oblivion. *shudder*XaosII

Whatever that means, I thought Morrowind was trash and Gamespot scores clearly show Oblivion as the better game.

It's made by the Oblivion team who claim that "We know how to make a deep RPG", who've gone on record as saying that it won't be top down and that they'll "do what we do best". So yeah, I think they'll fail miserably at making a decent Fallout but the game will be a massive commercial success.RobbieH1234

Which pretty much means a few people wont like it as they did before with the other the games while the new game will probaly bring in a million or two people who love it and it will probaly score better btw.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Lets just hope its doesnt get the same kind of "lateral upgrade" as they went from Morrowind to Oblivion. *shudder*No_worrys_mate

Whatever that means, I thought Morrowind was trash and Gamespot scores clearly show Oblivion as the better game.

Yeah, unfortunatly they forgot to mention how much less of an rpg it had become, all it shows is that gamespot likes action adventures with broken rpg elements better.... 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*Infernal246

No doubt in my mind it will be first person, consolized, and real time.

Bethesda... :| 

This is good, I mean its bring in a whole diffrent group of people, I mean its sales they want and i never knew games scored lower due to them not being designed the same.

I really hope bethesda doesn't screw the pooch on this one. Fallout and Fallout 2 were great, tactics was ok. If 3 isn't a good entrance in the series, I will have no respect for bethesda. Either make a good game or don't rape my favorite franchises.

[QUOTE="Infernal246"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*No_worrys_mate

No doubt in my mind it will be first person, consolized, and real time.

Bethesda... :|

This is good, I mean its bring in a whole diffrent group of people, I mean its sales they want and i never knew games scored lower due to them not being designed the same.

You obviously haven't played fallout, or you would know why this is a bad thing. Fallout was the best turn based RPG I have ever played, changing it into an action rpg would ruin the franchises good name. 

Aww, look at everyone, getting riled up without knowing what Fallout is about.

Anyone who claims that a change of perspective or how it being "consolized" will kill the IP simply has missed the point of it all. Are you so entrenched in that Fallout should have an isometric perspective using action points?

Fallout was fallout because of the setting, wit and charm, embodied in the dialogue, the characters, the story. Fallout was not the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system. Fallout was not the amount of hitpoints a deathclaw had. Fallout was not the FedEx quests to get your car running.

[spoiler] Fallout was about really suffering when Dogmeat got it at the Military Base. Fallout was about "gettin' lucky" (quite literally) with the girl at the cathedral. Fallout was your car. Fallout was the mad president. Fallout was Louis Armstrong or the Ink Spots playing distortedly. [/spoiler]

If a simple change in gameplay mechanics (which might not even occur!) is enough to make people disenchanted with the franchise, then I don't think Fallout was very important to you.

Sadly, the game will be lambasted, no matter how good it is. People have set expectations for what the game has to be, and nothing will be pleasing.

[QUOTE="No_worrys_mate"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Lets just hope its doesnt get the same kind of "lateral upgrade" as they went from Morrowind to Oblivion. *shudder*2FacedJanus

Whatever that means, I thought Morrowind was trash and Gamespot scores clearly show Oblivion as the better game.

Yeah, unfortunatly they forgot to mention how much less of an rpg it had become, all it shows is that gamespot likes action adventures with broken rpg elements better.... 

Go look at game rankings, Ask you would you rather have more people buying your game or the same lot, Ive got Morrowind and  havnt touch it, I dont know whats going on, The user interface is hopeless and you given piles and piles of text, I mean bestheda can do what they want with THEIR game and its apparantly scored well every where, Theirs always a unhappy camper, I mean what if they had Es 5 as a Platformer, Fps shooter are you going to flame them for it, Instead they chose to cut back on the Rpg side of it and boost sales and still keep intact what Es was.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Lets just hope its doesnt get the same kind of "lateral upgrade" as they went from Morrowind to Oblivion. *shudder*No_worrys_mate

Whatever that means, I thought Morrowind was trash and Gamespot scores clearly show Oblivion as the better game.

Do you know why there are people still playing Fallout 2 to this day despite scoring only 8.8 while no one really plays FFVIII, even though FFVIII got 9.5 and was released in the same year?

Not for the kinds of reasons that Oblivion was "good" for. 

Aww, look at everyone, getting riled up without knowing what Fallout is about.

 

Anyone who claims that a change of perspective or how it being "consolized" will kill the IP simply has missed the point of it all. Are you so entrenched in that Fallout should have an isometric perspective using action points?

Fallout was fallout because of the setting, wit and charm, embodied in the dialogue, the characters, the story. Fallout was not the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system. Fallout was not the amount of hitpoints a deathclaw had. Fallout was not the FedEx quests to get your car running.

Fallout was about really suffering when Dogmeat got it at the Military Base. Fallout was about "gettin' lucky" (quite literally) with the girl at the cathedral. Fallout was your car. Fallout was the mad president. Fallout was Louis Armstrong or the Ink Spots playing distortedly.

If a simple change in gameplay mechanics (which might not even occur!) is enough to make people disenchanted with the franchise, then I don't think Fallout was very important to you.

 

Sadly, the game will be lambasted, no matter how good it is. People have set expectations for what the game has to be, and nothing will be pleasing.

Grive

Just recently picked these games up, but aside from my sighs at the spoilers you just doled out, I must say amen.

Lets just hope its doesnt get the same kind of "lateral upgrade" as they went from Morrowind to Oblivion. *shudder*XaosII

Indeed... Or in other words the game actually suffering from console syndrome... This gen will probably be the one untill now with the most victims. Anyway, this year seems to be full of game of the year material... Whether in consoles or PC gaming, how will we ever survive...XP?  

[QUOTE="No_worrys_mate"][QUOTE="Infernal246"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]If this game gets consolized so help me god. *Cocks his shotgun*reaperstoll

No doubt in my mind it will be first person, consolized, and real time.

Bethesda... :|

This is good, I mean its bring in a whole diffrent group of people, I mean its sales they want and i never knew games scored lower due to them not being designed the same.

You obviously haven't played fallout, or you would know why this is a bad thing. Fallout was the best turn based RPG I have ever played, changing it into an action rpg would ruin the franchises good name. 

I dont need to play fallout, Its just a group of gamers jumping up and down over something that THEY want, I mean it could be the holy grail of games and i would still you the same stance, You obviously want to play the same Fallout for the next ten - twenty years, It also appears you wouldnt care about the other people who could actually play this because of a change of mechanics, This is why they would probaly change it just because it would get more people buying and still get high scores across the board and probaly score higher than the others

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Lets just hope its doesnt get the same kind of "lateral upgrade" as they went from Morrowind to Oblivion. *shudder*StealthSting

Indeed... Or in other words the game actually suffering from console syndrome... This gen will probably be the one untill now with the most victims. Anyway, this year seems to be full of game of the year material... Whether in consoles or PC gaming, how will we ever survive...XP?  

All is see is a group of people saying how are we going to survive, While i see another group which out number them by 1000s say god this a fun game,

Aww, look at everyone, getting riled up without knowing what Fallout is about.

 

Anyone who claims that a change of perspective or how it being "consolized" will kill the IP simply has missed the point of it all. Are you so entrenched in that Fallout should have an isometric perspective using action points?

Fallout was fallout because of the setting, wit and charm, embodied in the dialogue, the characters, the story. Fallout was not the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system. Fallout was not the amount of hitpoints a deathclaw had. Fallout was not the FedEx quests to get your car running.

Fallout was about really suffering when Dogmeat got it at the Military Base. Fallout was about "gettin' lucky" (quite literally) with the girl at the cathedral. Fallout was your car. Fallout was the mad president. Fallout was Louis Armstrong or the Ink Spots playing distortedly.

If a simple change in gameplay mechanics (which might not even occur!) is enough to make people disenchanted with the franchise, then I don't think Fallout was very important to you.

 

Sadly, the game will be lambasted, no matter how good it is. People have set expectations for what the game has to be, and nothing will be pleasing.

Grive

There's a spoiler-tag function for a reason mate :cry:

I've played the games, but I feel sorry for those who haven't and accidently stumble over your post :( 

[QUOTE="No_worrys_mate"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Lets just hope its doesnt get the same kind of "lateral upgrade" as they went from Morrowind to Oblivion. *shudder*XaosII

Whatever that means, I thought Morrowind was trash and Gamespot scores clearly show Oblivion as the better game.

Do you know why there are people still playing Fallout 2 to this day despite scoring only 8.8 while no one really plays FFVIII, even though FFVIII got 9.5 and was released in the same year?

Not for the kinds of reasons that Oblivion was "good" for. 

I dont care if their playing it, Its only being played by the minority anyways, Its not even a fair comparisoin, ohhh lets take a game that has at least 4 games that have came after excluding the spin offs and other ones to a game that is the last game in its series,

Your argument dosnet work because as i said a small minority plays the game and with each release of a game if its considerd better it will be played more so no one would be playing Fallout 2 if Fallout 3 to the same vein.

 I dont get it, Do you really want the same game for the next twenty years, I mean heck wouldnt it be nice to actually be one of the villigers and soldiers in Age of empires and and make it in to an action adventure, I do get where your comming from but its what you WANT but perhaps alot of people want to check out Fallout 3 diffrently and this way its probaly the acceable, I mean if they release is an Action adventure i hope they release the game you want AS WELL just for you.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="No_worrys_mate"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Lets just hope its doesnt get the same kind of "lateral upgrade" as they went from Morrowind to Oblivion. *shudder*No_worrys_mate

Whatever that means, I thought Morrowind was trash and Gamespot scores clearly show Oblivion as the better game.

Do you know why there are people still playing Fallout 2 to this day despite scoring only 8.8 while no one really plays FFVIII, even though FFVIII got 9.5 and was released in the same year?

Not for the kinds of reasons that Oblivion was "good" for. 

I dont care if their playing it, Its only being played by the minority anyways, Its not even a fair comparisoin, ohhh lets take a game that has at least 4 games that have came after excluding the spin offs and other ones to a game that is the last game in its series,

[QUOTE="No_worrys_mate"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="No_worrys_mate"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Lets just hope its doesnt get the same kind of "lateral upgrade" as they went from Morrowind to Oblivion. *shudder*Vandalvideo

Whatever that means, I thought Morrowind was trash and Gamespot scores clearly show Oblivion as the better game.

Do you know why there are people still playing Fallout 2 to this day despite scoring only 8.8 while no one really plays FFVIII, even though FFVIII got 9.5 and was released in the same year?

Not for the kinds of reasons that Oblivion was "good" for. 

I dont care if their playing it, Its only being played by the minority anyways, Its not even a fair comparisoin, ohhh lets take a game that has at least 4 games that have came after excluding the spin offs and other ones to a game that is the last game in its series,

The only problem i had with morrowind is the piles of text and the aiming of the weapon was poor, I mean that could of been a design choice but i didnt have the patience to read all the text and that meant i didnt know what was going on, Also basicaly you want the same gameplay mechanics for Fallout 4 and 5, I enjoy any game as long as its acceable which is why i couldnt get into Morrowind, I mean i woulnt care if Fallout wasnt an action adventure just as long as it was acceable but i dont think other people think like that and this is why maybe they have to change it up so to speak or maybe you could give them your vast knowlage of appealing to a wider audience.

The perfect senario would be 2 games.

People seem to be completely missing the point. Saying that making it more like Oblivion is all well and good because it will bring in more sales and boo hoo to the poor (minority) saps that want a real Fallout game will ultimately kill the game industry. Fans of Niche genres have as much right to want games as FPS fans, thats why people are crying out for new Freespace or Monkey Island games that they know they are never going to get.

Isn't this what people keep moaning at Nintendo over? That they are going to bring down the industry by not making games for "the hardcore" . This is what you mean by hardcore though, you. Traditional games that don't fall into thinly catorgorised staples are no good. Metroid and Bioshock need online multiplayer or they'll be rubbish, Zelda should completely abandon the formula that has created several of the best games ever made to fit in with a more "cool" formula, why are Rare wasting their time making fun addictive games like Viva Pinata when they could be churning out spiritual successors to Goldeneye?

The game industry needs depth and difference to go forward, not the homogenising into Halo, GTA, Oblivion and Brain Age clones.

Sorry this didn't start out as a rant.

 

Just recently picked these games up, but aside from my sighs at the spoilers you just doled out, I must say amen.

neuralfusion

Sorry 'bout that. I didn't think about it while I was writing. Guess I didn't see them as important spoilers most of the time (dogmeat and the prez excluded), or thought they were those things that everyone knows, like the Soylent Green ending. In any case, sorry again and I've spoilered it.

Wow, gee. God forbid anyone ever treasure a game for its gameplay. I loved the story, settings, characters, events, everything about the Fallout games. I also happened to totally love the gameplay it was wrapped around. I thought the SPECIAL system was fantastic, loved the AP turn-based system. To me, the ****of gameplay Fallout represents is every bit as important as any other aspect of the game. Every Fallout fan here has the right to defend it. If they're going to screw it around a bunch why even call it a Fallout game any more? If Bungie retained the Halo story but turned Halo 3 in to a side-scrolling shooter, don't you think there would be quite a few unhappy people?

Corvin

And what makes you think that the new system will either be all that different or... god forbid... better?  I firmly believe that things should be built upon and improved. 

Fallout was made Fallout because it had a great setting. You can (and actually do) make a very good point about gameplay, but I don't think you can keep the system stagnant: It would be a disservice to Fallout. My big problem is that a lot of people have obviously set an image in their minds regarding fallout, and NOTHING will make them happy, even if they won't admit it. If it's an oblivionish game, it will be lambasted for the departure. If it's Fallout with HD graphics, it will be lambasted, mark my words.

Bethseda has a great track record, and has made some terrific RPGs. I think that, even if people didn't enjoy Oblivion (I did, btw), already going up in arms even before seeing the first image, or hearing the first word about the game is not the right way to tackle this. 

For the record, Fallout is my second favorite game of all time (just behind the original X-Com), and I've played the heck out of it. I love it, and would not mind seeing Fallout 3 be the exact same thing (even same graphics!) as Fallout1, just with an equally good story and ambiance. This, however, does not mean I'm limited to thinking it has to be like that. I trust Beth. I trust Fallout. I think waiting to see what they have up their sleeves (which might not even be "Oblivion with guns") before getting all riled up about the bastardization of the series is the least we can give the devs and the franchise.

P.S. Your Halo analogy irks me, in that you're proposing a much more radical change instead of an adjustment within the genre. I probably would be disappointed by a Fallout Racing Sim with the Forza 2 engine.  Even then, Halo Zero was quite fun :P

I dont care if their playing it, Its only being played by the minority anyways, Its not even a fair comparisoin, ohhh lets take a game that has at least 4 games that have came after excluding the spin offs and other ones to a game that is the last game in its series,

Your argument dosnet work because as i said a small minority plays the game and with each release of a game if its considerd better it will be played more so no one would be playing Fallout 2 if Fallout 3 to the same vein.

I dont get it, Do you really want the same game for the next twenty years, I mean heck wouldnt it be nice to actually be one of the villigers and soldiers in Age of empires and and make it in to an action adventure, I do get where your comming from but its what you WANT but perhaps alot of people want to check out Fallout 3 diffrently and this way its probaly the acceable, I mean if they release is an Action adventure i hope they release the game you want AS WELL just for you.

No_worrys_mate

What possibly makes you think i i care about the sales or the fact its being played by 4 million instead of 3 million? I dont. It doesnt affect me at all. All i want from a game is a good, fun solid game.

If the devleopers are making a sequel to the game, the idea is to take the best aspects of the original, expand on it, make it better, or provide more of it. Any combinations of those is fine. Its not about taking a franchise thats popular and known and creating a turd in order to make money out of it (for example, 95% of all movie licensed games).

Your age of empire example is exactly what people dont want. People didnt buy AGe of Empires because they were hoping for an Action RPG. They bought it because it was a good RTS. Hey, if Ensemble wants to make Age of Empires: Be the Villager Dude, go ahead. But dont call it Age of Empires 4 because thats not what it is.