100% proof Nintendo is the king of milkage . . .

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Seriously, milkage is the bloodline of the gaming industry. To call only Nintendo on it is pure hypocrisy. Yeah, Nintendo is certainly as guilty as anybody, but now and again we get some Pikmin, some Disaste: Day of Crisis, experiements out of left field like Wii Sports and Wii Fit, and this E3 a look at a new Kid Icarus after a 20+ year absence.

Things could certainly be worse.

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

I think this is enough to declare Nintendo king of milkage and the Wii a vastly overpriced rip-off. $250 gamecubes.....

I don't get it...how are you trying to prove that nintedo is the king of milkage?forgot_it

he's not. he's trying to prove to the MS and Sony fanboys who complain that nintendo milks their franchises that nintendo isnt the only company who does it.

I think this is enough to declare Nintendo king of milkage and the Wii a vastly overpriced rip-off. $250 gamecubes.....

Lazy_Boy88

and the 360 is a $370-450 slot machine. sometimes you get the jackpot...and other days you get a red ring.

I got a good snicker out of this since I've always thought the same things, people ranting and raving about the new Metal Gear Solid game yet they turn around and bash Nintendo because they made a new Mario game that took Game of the Year. Everyone in the gaming industry lives off of making sequels and finding a game that works and sells well and continuing to make those games while also trying out new ideas and attempting to bring out new stuff along with the old.

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

st1ka

So that means that there are only a few success long running series out there and I'm sure if Sony or Microsoft had franchises like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Donkey Kong, and any of the others Nintendo uses none of the people supporting those consoles would complain about milking them like they do when Nintendo does it.

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Also, if you want to say that sony and microsoft milk just as much then why are you posting square-enix, rockstar and konami games? since when do they have anything to do with it?

st1ka

I don't want to say only Sony and Microsoft milk, I want to say the entire industry milks. And one could flip your first point in defense of Nintendo. Yeah, none of the said franchises are over 20 years like Mario and Zelda is when excluding Metal Gear and Final Fantasy, but that only helps prove my point. After over 20 years we only have 6 main Mario games, and what, 7 main Zelda games? That's like 1 every 3 years. At the pace Burnouts, Devil May Cry's, and Halo's come out that pace will be matched or exceeded.

I know a real sticking point is how much Nintendo whores out Mario, but a lot of the Mario off-titles like Strikers and Paper Mario score well and are often solid titles. It would be different if they were more often than not utter crap, like say the Mario Party series.

I don't get it...how are you trying to prove that nintedo is the king of milkage?forgot_it

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

st1ka

CoD has about 6 different games. dont let the number fool you.

btw, halo is the epitomy of milking. how can i prove this? its the only thing microsoft would talk about until its release...and after halo 3? ....

I don't get it...how are you trying to prove that nintedo is the king of milkage?forgot_it

He's not. He's just trying to get the haters in here so they can see what he's actually saying. Most haters would just skip a topic that says "Nintendo doesn't milk its franchises". Genius.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

kejigoto

So that means that there are only a few success long running series out there and I'm sure if Sony or Microsoft had franchises like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Donkey Kong, and any of the others Nintendo uses none of the people supporting those consoles would complain about milking them like they do when Nintendo does it.

If MS or Sony had been milking halo or any other franchise for 20 years now i would act the same way i do towards nintendo, i wouldnt buy the game.

I stopped buying Final Fantasy games after X (ok i admit tactics for the PSP was an expetion)

i stopped buying metal gear after 3

and thats just how it goes for me

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

st1ka

4 zeldas

3 halos

2 Marios

4 Call Of Duty (without counting some spinoffs)

Just because a game is a sequel doesn't mean it's milking.

Capcom is actually the king of milking though. The Mega man and Street Fighter games alone total over 30 games.

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

st1ka

3 Halo's in 7 years, so one every 2.5 years give or take.

4 COD's in six years, eek, even worse.

7 Zelda's in 22 years, so one every 3 years.

7 Mario's in 23 years, similar ratio.

Although, I am not counting handheld versions which would make putting up Gof of War PSP up as unfair. But we are getting a God of War 3 very soon, so . . .

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

icarus212001

CoD has about 6 different games. dont let the number fool you.

btw, halo is the epitomy of milking. how can i prove this? its the only thing microsoft would talk about until its release...and after halo 3? ....

how is Halo the epitomy of milking? maybe its because i live in Europe and the Halo hype was never present in my country, but i dont see any milking, i see 3 games, and thats it, you seem to be mistaking hype with millking

i didnt that there were 6 CODs thanks for the info

you do know that sequels aren't necessarily milkage, almost all of those titles are great quality titles

7CloudStrife7

I could agree with that, but when people call milkage by Nintendo they refer to the Marios and Zeldas, hence sequels, so such a classification has to go both ways.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

-Despacio-

3 Halo's in 7 years, so one every 2.5 years give or take.

4 COD's in six years, eek, even worse.

7 Zelda's in 22 years, so one every 3 years.

7 Mario's in 23 years, similar ratio.

Although, I am not counting handheld versions which would make putting up Gof of War PSP up as unfair. But we are getting a God of War 3 very soon, so . . .

7 marios?

7 zeldas?

are you forgetting a few dozens?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_games

yes in this list there are a lot of games completly unrelated to mario, but hey if you choose to exclude hand-held games and mario party games for god knows what reasons...

If MS or Sony had been milking halo or any other franchise for 20 years now i would act the same way i do towards nintendo, i wouldnt buy the game.

I stopped buying Final Fantasy games after X (ok i admit tactics for the PSP was an expetion)

i stopped buying metal gear after 3

and thats just how it goes for me

st1ka

So you'll deny yourself a great game like Super Mario Galaxy because the franchise is now over 20 years old? Seems like a foolish way and a blind fanboy remark to go to the extreme of saying "I'll never buy a game in a series if it's been around for X amount of time!" Sure I myself haven't touched any of the main Final Fantasy games since IX but I certainly love the Crystal Chronicles series and Tactics Advance (can't wait for the DS version), and well I lost interest in Metal Gear after it took a turn for the weird in 2 but oh well.

Do what you will, but I'll tell you now you are missing out on alot of great games that have been reinvented, many I used to play as a kid back in the day and I love seeing how far the series has come and how it changed and grew as I grew up with it. Enjoy missing out, I'm sure the sales of these titles will be devasted because you aren't buying them.

[QUOTE="icarus212001"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

st1ka

CoD has about 6 different games. dont let the number fool you.

btw, halo is the epitomy of milking. how can i prove this? its the only thing microsoft would talk about until its release...and after halo 3? ....

how is Halo the epitomy of milking? maybe its because i live in Europe and the Halo hype was never present in my country, but i dont see any milking, i see 3 games, and thats it, you seem to be mistaking hype with millking

i didnt that there were 6 CODs thanks for the info

yeah. i say 6 because there were "different" versions of CoD on "lower level" consoles. As for Halo, trust me. i wish i was in your position last summer up to halo 3's launch. it was all over the place. soda cans. commercials. billboards. buses, trains... millions of $$$ worth of advertising...it was nausciating...

It's not even comparable, Mario appeared in over 200 games.Tykain

You're talking about the milkage of a character. Yeah, Mario has to be the most whored our character in gaming. But he's also one of the most beloved. AND, he appears a HUGE variety of genres. Don't try to mix up the message.

Milkage of a character is NOT milkage of a series or franchise.

[QUOTE="icarus212001"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

st1ka

CoD has about 6 different games. dont let the number fool you.

btw, halo is the epitomy of milking. how can i prove this? its the only thing microsoft would talk about until its release...and after halo 3? ....

how is Halo the epitomy of milking? maybe its because i live in Europe and the Halo hype was never present in my country, but i dont see any milking, i see 3 games, and thats it, you seem to be mistaking hype with millking

i didnt that there were 6 CODs thanks for the info

I'll bet there was a lesson learned there.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

icarus212001

CoD has about 6 different games. dont let the number fool you.

btw, halo is the epitomy of milking. how can i prove this? its the only thing microsoft would talk about until its release...and after halo 3? ....

you're gonna have to explain that one. doesnt sound like milking to me.

[QUOTE="Tykain"]It's not even comparable, Mario appeared in over 200 games.-Despacio-

You're talking about the milkage of a character. Yeah, Mario has to be the most whored our character in gaming. But he's also one of the most beloved. AND, his appears a HUGE variety of genres. Don't try to mix up the message.

Milkage of a character is NOT milkage of a series or franchise.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

If MS or Sony had been milking halo or any other franchise for 20 years now i would act the same way i do towards nintendo, i wouldnt buy the game.

I stopped buying Final Fantasy games after X (ok i admit tactics for the PSP was an expetion)

i stopped buying metal gear after 3

and thats just how it goes for me

kejigoto

So you'll deny yourself a great game like Super Mario Galaxy because the franchise is now over 20 years old? Seems like a foolish way and a blind fanboy remark to go to the extreme of saying "I'll never buy a game in a series if it's been around for X amount of time!" Sure I myself haven't touched any of the main Final Fantasy games since IX but I certainly love the Crystal Chronicles series and Tactics Advance (can't wait for the DS version), and well I lost interest in Metal Gear after it took a turn for the weird in 2 but oh well.

Do what you will, but I'll tell you now you are missing out on alot of great games that have been reinvented, many I used to play as a kid back in the day and I love seeing how far the series has come and how it changed and grew as I grew up with it. Enjoy missing out, I'm sure the sales of these titles will be devasted because you aren't buying them.

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

st1ka

Metal gear and Final Fantasy are pretty old.

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

st1ka

Alot of Nintendos big franchises come once or twice at most a gen. So they are all in the same catagory.

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="icarus212001"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

icarus212001

CoD has about 6 different games. dont let the number fool you.

btw, halo is the epitomy of milking. how can i prove this? its the only thing microsoft would talk about until its release...and after halo 3? ....

how is Halo the epitomy of milking? maybe its because i live in Europe and the Halo hype was never present in my country, but i dont see any milking, i see 3 games, and thats it, you seem to be mistaking hype with millking

i didnt that there were 6 CODs thanks for the info

yeah. i say 6 because there were "different" versions of CoD on "lower level" consoles. As for Halo, trust me. i wish i was in your position last summer up to halo 3's launch. it was all over the place. soda cans. commercials. billboards. buses, trains... millions of $$$ worth of advertising...it was nausciating...

i never really liked halo (still dont) but where i live its launch... was.. well non-existant, the game appeared on store shelves and thats it

I don't get it...how are you trying to prove that nintedo is the king of milkage?forgot_it

He isn't...he is proving that everyone milks everything, not just Nintendo.

you do know that sequels aren't necessarily milkage, almost all of those titles are great quality titles

7CloudStrife7

One more counter-point. Mario Galaxy was GAME OF THE YEAR, but yet fanboys run around calling milkage of Mario. Mario Galaxy was extremely refreshing with it's gravity elements. Each entry in Nintendo's biggest frachises are more often than not also quality titles.

I think sequels are EXACTLY what milkage refers to, but if not, what do you think it refers to?

Final Fantasy XII is far from being milkage. Probably the only franchise that completly changes from game to game.haris12121212

The same can be said about mario, almost all final fantasies are RPGs, mario chage not in characters but in theme and gameplay 3D,2D platforming,RPG,Golf,Racing,Soccer,Baseball,minigames,fighting games etc....

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

wooooode

Alot of Nintendos big franchises come once or twice at most a gen. So they are all in the same catagory.

really? lets say this gen started in 2005 with the xbox 360

we have these games featuring mario:

• Mario Party Advance (Game Boy Advance)
• Dr. Mario & Puzzle League (Game Boy Advance)
• Mario Superstar Baseball (GameCube)
• Super Princess Peach (Nintendo DS)
• Mario Party 7 (GameCube)
• Mario Kart DS (Nintendo DS)
• Mario Tennis: Power Tour (Game Boy Advance)
• Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time (Nintendo DS)
• Super Mario Strikers (GameCube)
• Mario Kart Arcade GP (Arcade
• Yoshi Touch & Go (Nintendo DS)

• Game & Watch Collection (Nintendo DS)
• New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo DS)
• Mario Hoops 3-on-3 (Nintendo DS)
• Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo DS)
• Yoshi's Island DS - (Nintendo DS)
• WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii) - Appears in minigames

• WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii) - Appears in minigames
• Super Paper Mario (Wii) - April 9
• Mario Party 8 (Wii)
• Itadaki Street DS (Nintendo DS)
• Mario Strikers Charged (Wii)
• Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo DS)
• Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Wii/Nintendo DS)
• Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) - November 12, 2007
• Mario Party DS (Nintendo DS) - November 19, 2007 [1]

• Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) - March 9, 2008
• Mario Kart Wii (Wii) - April 27, 2008
• Mario Super Sluggers (Wii) - Summer 2008
• Dr. Mario & Bacteria Extermination (Wii WiiWare) - TBA, 2008
• Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 (arcade game) - TBA 2008

now please tell me, how am i supposed NOT to be fed up with the character?

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]Final Fantasy XII is far from being milkage. Probably the only franchise that completly changes from game to game.JuarN18

The same can be said about mario, almost all final fantasies are RPGs, mario chage not in characters but in theme and gameplay 3D,2D platforming,RPG,Golf,Racing,Soccer,Baseball,minigames,fighting games etc....

i agree Final Fantasy is one of the kings of milkage, the games are different but they use the same name only because they know it will sell games

the reason why i dont buy those games is because im tired of them, im tired of the characters of the plots, im just tired, i want something new and different. Thats it, if you think thats fanboyism then fine call me a fanboy, id rather be a fanboy by your standards then to be a stagnant gamer and play the same thing over and over for 20 years,st1ka

Weird, I didn't know that Super Mario Galaxy was the same thing it was back on the NES... or that Metroid Prime 3 is the same thing it was back on the NES either.... and here I thought Zelda had come a long way from its over head playing style (or the ever less popular side scroller it was in the second one). Each one of those games changes from game to game and adds more to it and builds upon what was already there. Yea I'll say Mario Party is just about the same damn game every time but oh well, not much can be done there. Even Mario Kart has changed drastically since it was first rolled out on the SNES so many years ago and its come a long ways from its N64 days. To say each of these games is the same as it was from the get go is just being blind to the changes they go through, I wouldn't even say each Metal Gear game was the same, or that every Final Fantasy does the same thing. The only series I really saw do the same thing was Halo and I never touched the first 2 because I wasn't impressed at all and only got the third one because everyone I know plays it and I wanted to join in.

Do your research and actually try playing these titles before you go claiming they haven't changed and are the same thing over and over again. All games change as they go along and sometimes its for better, sometimes its for worse, but very rarely are sequels the same exact thing as a previous entry into any series.

[QUOTE="kejigoto"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

If MS or Sony had been milking halo or any other franchise for 20 years now i would act the same way i do towards nintendo, i wouldnt buy the game.

I stopped buying Final Fantasy games after X (ok i admit tactics for the PSP was an expetion)

i stopped buying metal gear after 3

and thats just how it goes for me

st1ka

So you'll deny yourself a great game like Super Mario Galaxy because the franchise is now over 20 years old? Seems like a foolish way and a blind fanboy remark to go to the extreme of saying "I'll never buy a game in a series if it's been around for X amount of time!" Sure I myself haven't touched any of the main Final Fantasy games since IX but I certainly love the Crystal Chronicles series and Tactics Advance (can't wait for the DS version), and well I lost interest in Metal Gear after it took a turn for the weird in 2 but oh well.

Do what you will, but I'll tell you now you are missing out on alot of great games that have been reinvented, many I used to play as a kid back in the day and I love seeing how far the series has come and how it changed and grew as I grew up with it. Enjoy missing out, I'm sure the sales of these titles will be devasted because you aren't buying them.

the reason why i dont buy those games is because im tired of them, im tired of the characters of the plots, im just tired, i want something new and different. Thats it, if you think thats fanboyism then fine call me a fanboy, id rather be a fanboy by your standards then to be a stagnant gamer and play the same thing over and over for 20 years,

I agree that after 20 years a series characters can grow stagnant, but Nintendo finds ways to refresh gameplay (sometimes), which is what's most important, right?

Super Metroid and Metroid Prime 3 are the same series, but entirely different genres.

Mario Galaxy's gravity elements are a far cry from Super Mario Bros. 3 platforming. And Zelda: Majoras Mask was very offbeat with it's time challange gameplay. Granted, one can still get tired of a series, I agree with that very much so.

For example, I put in over 100 hours on Halo 2 multiplayer, but barely 10-20 on Halo 3 multiplayer.

TC get this. Mario Bros 1,2,3 is not milkage. Super Mario World is not milkage. Mario Galaxy is not milkage

Mario KART is milkage
Mario BASEBALL is milkage
Mario PARTY is milkage
Mario OLYMPICS is milkage

That's why Nintendo is the king of milkage

[QUOTE="icarus212001"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

6matt6

CoD has about 6 different games. dont let the number fool you.

btw, halo is the epitomy of milking. how can i prove this? its the only thing microsoft would talk about until its release...and after halo 3? ....

you're gonna have to explain that one. doesnt sound like milking to me.

hmm..well, looking back at it it seems more like over hyping

[QUOTE="Tykain"]It's not even comparable, Mario appeared in over 200 games.-Despacio-

You're talking about the milkage of a character. Yeah, Mario has to be the most whored our character in gaming. But he's also one of the most beloved. AND, he appears a HUGE variety of genres. Don't try to mix up the message.

Milkage of a character is NOT milkage of a series or franchise.

Making sequels of popular games is a good thing, i don't call that milkage. Using a popular character to sell crap spin off games is what i would call milkage and Nintendo is the master of this 'art'.

[QUOTE="wooooode"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

the problem i believe is that if we exclude metal gear and Final Fantasy none of those franchises are over 20 years

Edit:

one last thing, Halo and Cod milking? none of them have over 4 games, how is that milking? how many zeldas or marios are there by now?

st1ka

Alot of Nintendos big franchises come once or twice at most a gen. So they are all in the same catagory.

really? lets say this gen started in 2005 with the xbox 360

we have these games featuring mario:

now please tell me, how am i supposed NOT to be fed up with the character?

Character milkage, not series milkage.

Super Mario Bros.

Super Mario Bros. 2

Super Mario Bros. 3

Super Mario World

Mario 64

Super Mario Sunshine

Mario Galaxy

Let's not pretend Mario Hoops 3-on-3 falls into the same main Mario series.

Are we counting Halo Wars as the real Halo 4?? Didn't think so.

[QUOTE="st1ka"] the reason why i dont buy those games is because im tired of them, im tired of the characters of the plots, im just tired, i want something new and different. Thats it, if you think thats fanboyism then fine call me a fanboy, id rather be a fanboy by your standards then to be a stagnant gamer and play the same thing over and over for 20 years,kejigoto

Weird, I didn't know that Super Mario Galaxy was the same thing it was back on the NES... or that Metroid Prime 3 is the same thing it was back on the NES either.... and here I thought Zelda had come a long way from its over head playing style (or the ever less popular side scroller it was in the second one). Each one of those games changes from game to game and adds more to it and builds upon what was already there. Yea I'll say Mario Party is just about the same damn game every time but oh well, not much can be done there. Even Mario Kart has changed drastically since it was first rolled out on the SNES so many years ago and its come a long ways from its N64 days. To say each of these games is the same as it was from the get go is just being blind to the changes they go through, I wouldn't even say each Metal Gear game was the same, or that every Final Fantasy does the same thing. The only series I really saw do the same thing was Halo and I never touched the first 2 because I wasn't impressed at all and only got the third one because everyone I know plays it and I wanted to join in.

Do your research and actually try playing these titles before you go claiming they haven't changed and are the same thing over and over again. All games change as they go along and sometimes its for better, sometimes its for worse, but very rarely are sequels the same exact thing as a previous entry into any series.

I have been trying to maintain a rational conversation with you, but your snide comments are starting to anger me, look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_games

how can you say you are not tired of the characters? othen then metroid and the franchises that nintendo has abandoned or recently introduced im sick of nintendo characters, its just milkage after milkage

[QUOTE="-Despacio-"]

[QUOTE="Tykain"]It's not even comparable, Mario appeared in over 200 games.Tykain

You're talking about the milkage of a character. Yeah, Mario has to be the most whored our character in gaming. But he's also one of the most beloved. AND, he appears a HUGE variety of genres. Don't try to mix up the message.

Milkage of a character is NOT milkage of a series or franchise.

Making sequels of popular games is a good thing, i don't call that milkage. Using a popular character to sell crap spin off games is what i would call milkage and Nintendo is the master of this 'art'.

Ding ding.

After 5 pages we have a winner.