$1000, notebook or PS4 + X1?

@Gamerno6666 said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

ignorance is strong on this post.

Care to explain your reasoning? I have built PC's across the spectrum of power and price. I also play all of the latest games at 1440p maxed and I know what performance I get. People who claim they can "max" games out on a $1000 machine are full of shit. I can provide dozens of benchmarks that will back that up.

sure fakeboy.

Lol rekt.

Still taking the $1000 PC over a ps4 though.

ahahah indeed rekt but we should never give trolls the satisfaction of image proof. **** them srsly

Until it breaks! lol Do you use your Alienware Alpha often? My concern is that not only is it a Dell product it's a compact PC which Dell sucks at! Hell, Dell sucks at everything but they really suck at that! Read my post above I had an Alienware X51 it was the $1400 bad boy with GT 660, I7 (Sandy Bridge) and 16gig ram. IT WAS FUCKING GARBAGE!!! The only things good about it was the CPU and GPU and it killed my last GT 660! All I have left is the I7 that I can salvage out of it to place in another PC. Wait till it breaks or starts acting wierd (it will eventually) that's when your nightmare with Dell customer service will start and then you will realize that anything associated with Dell is garbage regardless.

... Actually the Alienware alpha is currently the best choice for affordable steam machines out there currently with running temps.. Ones like the zotac and gigabyte have huge heating problmes, and the system has been out for over 6 months.. It has a solid score on numerous sites including customer testimony of hundreds reviews of having 4 out of 5 stars on Amazon.. This thing should not be compared to the desktops of Alienwares (which I agree are not good) because it holds much more in common with Alienware laptops.. With a modified 860m mobile chip and a low watt i3/i5/i7 chipset.... Systems like the X51 are glorified desktop machines with parts jammed into it that were never really designed to be in such a enclosed place.. The Asrock M8 had the exact same problem in trying to shove parts in it that were not really designed for such enclosed places.

The OP no doubt worked hard for his/her money. I just can't recommend something like Dell regardless. They have a poor track record, their customer support sets a new standard for terrible and they have no respect for their customers. Also, you're loving it now but when it breaks you'll know exactly what I mean.

@wobblypops: clearly you aren't that knowledg able with pc's because you bought it , but on top of that you think your anecdotal craps means something. Comb reviews for all pc products regardless of the company whether it's msi, Asus etc etc. You will see numerous horror stories of bad products or poor customer support on supposedly the highest end products from supposedly reliable companies... This is nothing new and your one "experience" doesn't stand as proof that everything they make is crap. Than by that logic, don't buy any pc products because they all have stories like yours. So do the consoles as well.

And you bring up track record which I have pointed out the vast majority of reviews of said product is overwhelmingly positive.

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

ignorance is strong on this post.

Care to explain your reasoning? I have built PC's across the spectrum of power and price. I also play all of the latest games at 1440p maxed and I know what performance I get. People who claim they can "max" games out on a $1000 machine are full of shit. I can provide dozens of benchmarks that will back that up.

sure fakeboy.

oh it is so hard to post fake pictures, but let's just assume they are yours, how does it make your post any less ignorant?

@rogerjak said:

@Gamerno6666 said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

ignorance is strong on this post.

Care to explain your reasoning? I have built PC's across the spectrum of power and price. I also play all of the latest games at 1440p maxed and I know what performance I get. People who claim they can "max" games out on a $1000 machine are full of shit. I can provide dozens of benchmarks that will back that up.

sure fakeboy.

Lol rekt.

Still taking the $1000 PC over a ps4 though.

ahahah indeed rekt but we should never give trolls the satisfaction of image proof. **** them srsly

who were you again and give me one good reason why should i give a fuk about anything you say mr random?

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

oh it is so hard to post fake pictures, but let's just assume they are yours, how does it make your post any less ignorant?

First, explain how my post is ignorant. All you have done is call me names to this point without providing a counterargument. Once you contribute to the discussion we can go from there.

Then stay the **** away from the notebook (ridiculous, either go desktop or go home) and get a PS4 + WiiU + have a little money to spare

Don't see any point in the XBone unless you just absolutely can not live without Halo or Gears.

I vote none of the above. Get a desktop. Gaming on a notebook sucks and I would never want to do that again. GRRRR!!!!!!!

PS4 and X1 are good, but they share the majority of their games and it seems like MS will be releasing a bunch of 1st party games on PC now rendering it almost useless. So PS4/PC would be a better combo imo or if you can find a Wii U for cheap, Wii U/PC would make an awesome combo. $299 is just kinda steep for the console at the moment considering what the competition is offering for $50-$100 more.

If you can't or won't get a desktop then just buy the consoles. But that would be really unfortunate... 1000 is plenty for a beast PC if you made it.

It's not just about keeping it from overheating, if the parts are constantly near-max temperatures you won't get the best possible performance with them.

Honestly, it will cost you nearly $2k to have a enjoyable gaming experience with a laptop. You can produce the same results with a much less expensive desktop.

@iambatman7986: What the conpetition is offering over the Wii U?

As a companion to the PC, Wii U is currently the best

Get PS4 and X1. You can't upgrade Notebook.

@parkurtommo: max temp? Components never reach max temp. They reach throttle temp before any actual damage occurs. This isn't 2005, all these components have numerous safe guards in them and are far more durable. Let me spell it out, laptop components have far higher limits because they are designed differently, stop comparing them to desktop components.

And if they are properly working they will not throttle, hence well designed laptops like Asus rog. And by this exact same logic you should never use a console, because they all run hot..

No one should get a laptop unless they need to. For gaming it doesn't sound like the best idea, desktops are always better. I'm also of the opinion, if your going to get a laptop, this is the one area where an apple product like a Mac Book Pro would be best.

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

ignorance is strong on this post.

Care to explain your reasoning? I have built PC's across the spectrum of power and price. I also play all of the latest games at 1440p maxed and I know what performance I get. People who claim they can "max" games out on a $1000 machine are full of shit. I can provide dozens of benchmarks that will back that up.

sure fakeboy.

oh it is so hard to post fake pictures, but let's just assume they are yours, how does it make your post any less ignorant?

There is nothing ignorant about what he said. He has a higher standard for PC gaming. 1440p+ at 90FPS+ in the most demanding games you are not going to get on a $1000 PC. You're the one who has failed to provide a counter argument, because there isn't one, and you're looking like a troll...take the L

@GoldenElementXL said: must be including monitor and peripheral costs, or he's not using the right deal sites.

@MonsieurX: 3rd party support, capable online that offers features that are a staple of today's gaming, higher graphical fidelity, larger install base to play games with, and no need to have multiple peripherals to play different genres in the optimal manner.

I agree Wiiu is the best option if you are a pc gamer. The library is different enough to justify it as a secondary machine since multiplats are on pc/ps4/x1.

Wiiu is a good console, just overpriced right now imo though I do own one. Nintendo exclusives are amongst my favorites for local mp and sp gaming.

@Couth_ said:

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

ignorance is strong on this post.

Care to explain your reasoning? I have built PC's across the spectrum of power and price. I also play all of the latest games at 1440p maxed and I know what performance I get. People who claim they can "max" games out on a $1000 machine are full of shit. I can provide dozens of benchmarks that will back that up.

sure fakeboy.

oh it is so hard to post fake pictures, but let's just assume they are yours, how does it make your post any less ignorant?

There is nothing ignorant about what he said. He has a higher standard for PC gaming. 1440p+ at 90FPS+ in the most demanding games you are not going to get on a $1000 PC. You're the one who has failed to provide a counter argument, because there isn't one, and you're looking like a troll...take the L

Think about what he is saying.. "I can't handle playing lower than 1440p at 90 frames or lower.. So go console so you can enjoy 1080p (rarely) or lower at 30fps.."..

@HalcyonScarlet: best for what? Beeing overpriced?

What kind of noob gets PS4 and Xbone? PS4 plays multiplats better, and all Xbone exclusives are on 360 or PC.

1. A $1000 PC can easily out do a PS4/XBONE. Can it do 1440p at 90fps in all games? Probably not. But it sure as hell can do way better than PS4/XBONE. This goes for almost every multiplat this gen. 1980p, high/ultra, 60 fps. That's more than consoles could ever hope for and is less than $1000.

2. You would miss out on more PC exclusives, since this gen isn't exactly doing so well for console exclusives. Or games count in general. Either way it's up to what genres he likes more, to be honest.

Just get a gaming PC with that money. An $800 rig will see you playing games in well better settings than the PS4 can do.

If pc gaming is important to you, desktop of course. If you want consoles, go PS4 + wii u, or xbox one + wii u.

Except he's right. Unless you got a 980 overclocked to the moon or a Titan X, you need more than single GPU to play these games at max settings and 60fps and 1440p.

@sSubZerOo said:

@Couth_ said:

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Krelian-co said:

ignorance is strong on this post.

Care to explain your reasoning? I have built PC's across the spectrum of power and price. I also play all of the latest games at 1440p maxed and I know what performance I get. People who claim they can "max" games out on a $1000 machine are full of shit. I can provide dozens of benchmarks that will back that up.

sure fakeboy.

oh it is so hard to post fake pictures, but let's just assume they are yours, how does it make your post any less ignorant?

There is nothing ignorant about what he said. He has a higher standard for PC gaming. 1440p+ at 90FPS+ in the most demanding games you are not going to get on a $1000 PC. You're the one who has failed to provide a counter argument, because there isn't one, and you're looking like a troll...take the L

Think about what he is saying.. "I can't handle playing lower than 1440p at 90 frames or lower.. So go console so you can enjoy 1080p (rarely) or lower at 30fps.."..

How about you READ what he said? No one said they couldn't handle lower than 1440p and 90FPS. In case you can't tell he owns the consoles and their games as well and listed console GAMES as the reason.

If you had unlimited money, obviously buy them all. If you can't, buy a high end PC. If you cant, buy the consoles. THAT's what he is saying

@sSubZerOo: What I am saying is, a $1000 PC isn't worth missing out on all of the console exclusive games. A $1000 PC can play multiplat games at better graphical settings than the consoles yes, but that difference isn't big enough to justify missing on the console exclusives. That is if you prefer console exclusives to PC exclusives. Now a PC that can play those multiplat games at Ultra settings well above 30fps and well above 1080p is a different story.

With my experiences with consoles and PC gaming, I would pick a PS4 + Xbox One over a $1000 PC. Playing The Witcher 3 or GTA V at medium/high settings, 30 fps and 1080p isn't worth missing Madden, Bloodborne etc.

PS4

@Couth_: Actually that works too.

TC asked a question and I answered it. I didnt think so many people would have an issue with me picking both consoles over PC. I guess people have an issue with me not following the Hermit, Lem, Cow script. If the finances are right and it makes sense, every gamer should own every platform. I am fortunate enough to not have to choose. But faced with TC'S question, I would pick the PS4 and Xbox One.

You'll do a hell of a lot better with a 1,000$ PC than 1080p/medium/30fps. You can build a good PC with a R9 290 and 4670K for less than 1,000$. That gives you GTA V at close to max and 60fps and Witcher 3 at close to max and 60fps. You just have to lay off the AA and a couple of useless settings.

No, for their desktops sure. But for laptops it can be worth it. Especially if you run professional music programs for example. They need all of the computers resources and they need the software running smoothly, hiccup free.

On Windows laptops you have Windows updates, separate software updates, and the hardware's custom drivers and firmware from the company which isn't always good, constant and consistent support. And none of these things are made to work together, they're all just taking care of their own areas, especially as they're all coming out at different times.

On a mac since one company is taking care of all those things apart from some of the third party software updates, they can potentially work much better together in a laptop situation. Also because apple computers are more closed off like consoles, they can possibly also last longer in terms of hardware to software relevancy as well. For example I have a late 2008 iMac that would still be very useful to me, except that it wouldn't let me upgrade past 4GBs of RAM, other than that, I might still be using it for stuff.

I only said 'in my opinion' so I wasn't stating it as fact or saying I'm definitely right as it depends on your situation and what you want to do with it. And I don't mean it in the way that I want to turn this into a hardcore argument, but I think in the area of laptops, because it's a non upgradable platform anyway, you could benefit from it being a more closed platform with the software reliability, consistency and support.

This isn't to say that I don't think they're expensive though, I do. And I don't have the same opinion of the desktops, because a lot of this stuff doesn't matter too much for desktops.

So not Max then?

And a 44 fps average by a R9 290 doesn't really come close to 60.

My friend asked me to pick PC parts for him to create a gaming PC with 1000 dollars budget (monitor and kb/m included). It's pretty tough to manage to get it together and I made it. I hope this help you too.

Link

This is very good build. Good luck, buddy.

So still far better than PS4/XBONE..... Your entire logic is flawed.

It's like your saying: "Buy the 2 Civics instead of the BMW, because the BMW it isn't as good as Bentley".

@GoldenElementXL No, not max but close. For example, with my 970 in GTA V if I put grass to Ultra and enable High-resolution shadows(everything else max, 1080p), I average around 48-50 fps. If I set Grass to Very High and disable High-resolution shadows, I get around 65 fps and even sometimes flirt with the 80's in less demanding scenes.

With a 1,000$ PC you can get Very High settings and 60fps easily. Max settings will require to drop 2 or 3 settings down a notch. It's a lot better than 1080p/medium/30fps which is basically a PS4. That's achievable with a 600$ PC.

Edit: Look @RageQuit4Life, his rig sports a 970 and a 8320. It'll achieve Very High/60fps in most games and very close to max settings in the most demanding ones provided you lay off some of the most ridiculous and demanding settings.

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Juub1990 said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@sSubZerOo: What I am saying is, a $1000 PC isn't worth missing out on all of the console exclusive games. A $1000 PC can play multiplat games at better graphical settings than the consoles yes, but that difference isn't big enough to justify missing on the console exclusives. That is if you prefer console exclusives to PC exclusives. Now a PC that can play those multiplat games at Ultra settings well above 30fps and well above 1080p is a different story.

With my experiences with consoles and PC gaming, I would pick a PS4 + Xbox One over a $1000 PC. Playing The Witcher 3 or GTA V at medium/high settings, 30 fps and 1080p isn't worth missing Madden, Bloodborne etc.

You'll do a hell of a lot better with a 1,000$ PC than 1080p/medium/30fps. You can build a good PC with a R9 290 and 4670K for less than 1,000$. That gives you GTA V at close to max and 60fps and Witcher 3 at close to max and 60fps. You just have to lay off the AA and a couple of useless settings.

So not Max then?

And a 44 fps average by a R9 290 doesn't really come close to 60.

Yeah keep posting bullshit images with no source, id rather believe guru3d, a well known site than some no source image, in fact a friend has a single 290 and the game runs perfectly at 60 fps and every thing ultra except for advanced options. Keep spreading ignorance my dear friend, you have been served yet again. 1080p, ultra/high and 60 fps not enough so you recommend him to get 900p medium 30 fps machines, nice logic.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gta_v_pc_graphics_performance_review,5.html

@Krelian-co Yep, pretty much what I said. They got a mix of High and Very High settings(so no Ultra Grass which is a killer) and achieve 60+ fps at 1080p. Don't know what GoldenElementX is on with his 1,000$ PC being equivalent to a PS4.

@Krelian-co: look at the bottom right hand corner of my benchmark. Game - Debate is the source.

You can keep telling me what your friend gets, I can tell you what I get. "Everything max except advanced settings" sure sounds like a good time.

Keep up the name calling.

Wii U + iPad. =P

Huh? That's what makes PC gaming great. Tweaking settings to your liking. GTA V does get 60fps with a 970 with High-resolution shadows off and Grass set to Ultra. The point still stands that a 1,000$ PC is far, far beyond medium/30fps/1080p.

For example, Witcher 3 with a R9 290 gets 45fps as shown here. Disable Hairworks(which looks like trash) and Foliage Distance and you'll float around 55-60.

Guru3D have settings between High-Very High and at 1920x1200, GTA V averages 77fps. Again, set Grass to Ultra and enable High-resolution shadows and your fps will take a nosedive.

You're full of shit.

I never said that.

You said a 1,000$ PC will give you GTA V/Witcher 3 at medium/high settings/30fps/1080p. That's equivalent to a PS4. It'll give you 60fps at those settings.

"Everything max except advanced settings" sure sounds like a good time."

oh no it is a horrible time, unplayable even, i don't even know how can he stand playing like that, rofl what a fuking idiot, and your "recommendation" is to get 900p 30 fps medium settings machines. Seriously, people can only know you are stupid if you keep letting them know.

Keep up the ignorance spreading.

Those are nice results. Just one problem. The CPU in their test system, a 5960X COSTS $1,000 ALONE

@GoldenElementXL That's irrelevant. A 5960X won't give you any more performance than a 4670K except if there is a CPU bottleneck. Modern games are almost all GPU-bound except for MMO's. That's why you have people rocking an overclocked 2600K with a R9 295X2. CPU's tend to last much longer for gaming. A 4670K which can be found for 250$ will not be bottlenecked by any games out right now except for games like Guild Wars.