$199 x360 confirmed for 09/07/08

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#51 hayato_
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[QUOTE="hayato_"][QUOTE="mbrockway"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

I dont really think it's a sign of desperation... just business. I mean, heck the 360 has been out for 3 years almost. It's about time for a 199 SKU.

Itinerant_Voice

Dang straight. Glad I cancelled that $349 60gb preorder now :P

Im glad I waited to.

Now do I want to get teh 60 gig at $299 or the Arcade $199 plus a Harddrive $49

I need some imput. Does anyone actually own the Arcade unit????

I do. I own both a PS3 and 360, but I only go online with my PS3, because I don't want to pay for online. I wanted to play the single player games I'd miss out on, and the arcade was therefore the perfect choice for me. If you decide to go the arcade + used hard drive + gold account route, just remember that you'll have to buy a headsetto complete the experience. The arcade also does not come with an HDMI or component cable.

Tempting. Im still leaning towards the 60 gig

I don't go online alot either and I just want it for some games.

Does it have the HDMI slot to it?? Last question.

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#52 carljohnson3456
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don't worry I still think your a lemming/rpg fan

st1ka

good for you

I know you're not a fanboy St1ka. :)

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#53 floridaskater05
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hmmm on my birthday. well GS users put some cash together and get me thats and some games :) i demand it
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#54 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]Sony cut their price by 30% within the first year it launched. THAT was desperation. End of story. st1ka

yes it was... but what does it have to do with the discussion?

Because of all the kids saying MS is cutting the price because they are "desperate"..i countered :?

huh... first of all i'm 21 so i i think i'd be considered an adult

secondly i was the only one who said that therefore it would kid without an "S" but wait i´m an adult so it's actually adult

anyway yes i think it is a sign of desperation, most price drops are, price drops are usually your last card left before loosing market sales, the problem is sometimes it's a two edged sword, as most of the times it only gives a temporary boost in sales, just look at Europe, it dropped 100 euros in price for all SKUs (that's 150 dollars) and it only had a sales boost for two or three weeks before it dropped to its regular 50-70K

Not when its been 3 year's and they have only dropped the system $100. The 360 is going into it's 4th year so a $199 isn't that drastic.

justforlotr2004

didn't say it was drastic

desperate = drastic

A regular price drop is not desperate, but rather common buisness practice to keep your sales strong. If the 360 had a sudden drop in sales for month's and they dropped it $50-100 then that would be considered desperate, but the 360 is still going pretty steadly and a price drop like this before the holiday season isn't uncommon.

Overall though I really wont care till its $99 so I can buy a rather cheap second one.

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#55 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Iceman2911"]

don't worry I still think your a lemming/rpg fan

carljohnson3456

good for you

I know you're not a fanboy St1ka. :)

aww shucks thanks :P

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#56 Iceman2911
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[QUOTE="Iceman2911"]

don't worry I still think your a lemming/rpg fan

st1ka

good for you

I just gave you a compliment in cow language

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#57 kingyotoX
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[QUOTE="kingyotoX"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

angelkimne

Please quit talking before you hurt yourself.

Threats now ???

Reminds me of PS_John.

lol how is that a threat?

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#58 st1ka
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desperate = drastic

A regular price drop is not desperate, but rather common buisness practice to keep your sales strong. If the 360 had a sudden drop in sales for month's and they dropped it $50-100 then that would be considered desperate, but the 360 is still going pretty steadly and a price drop like this before the holiday season isn't uncommon.

justforlotr2004

yes but like i said a price drop is you only card left before loosing market share, if they used it then it means one of two things:

A) They think the increase in sales will make up for the price drop

B) they are preparing for some kind of "offensive" from the competition (probably the FF 13 demo anouncement)

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#59 Itinerant_Voice
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Tempting. Im still leaning towards the 60 gig

I don't go online alot either and I just want it for some games.

Does it have the HDMI slot to it?? Last question.

hayato_

Yes, it does, unlike the older Pro and Core units.

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#60 SSCyborg
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[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

st1ka

price drops are usually a sign of desperation

That's why Sony dropped the price of the PS2 last gen, amirite?

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#61 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Iceman2911"]

don't worry I still think your a lemming/rpg fan

Iceman2911

good for you

I just gave you a compliment in cow language

except i don't speak cow remember?

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#62 1xcalibur1
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Now sure how exciting this is really suppose to be.

It's the freaking Arcade ffs!

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#63 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="Iceman2911"]

don't worry I still think your a lemming/rpg fan

st1ka

good for you

U R LEM HAHA LOL RROD YOU FAIL BREAKBOX260 MGS 4 AAAA GOTY !!!!!!!!!!!!
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#65 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

SSCyborg

price drops are usually a sign of desperation

That's why Sony dropped the price of the PS2 last gen, amirite?

2000: PS2 is launched with a price tag of 350 dollars

2008: PS2 costs 125 dollars

doesn't seem so bad to me

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Iceman2911"]

don't worry I still think your a lemming/rpg fan

angelkimne

good for you

U R LEM HAHA LOL RROD YOU FAIL BREAKBOX260 MGS 4 AAAA GOTY !!!!!!!!!!!!

my favourite one is "breakbox pleasefixme" that one always cracks me up :lol:

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#66 1xcalibur1
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[QUOTE="hayato_"][QUOTE="mbrockway"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

I dont really think it's a sign of desperation... just business. I mean, heck the 360 has been out for 3 years almost. It's about time for a 199 SKU.

mbrockway

Dang straight. Glad I cancelled that $349 60gb preorder now :P

Im glad I waited to.

Now do I want to get teh 60 gig at $299 or the Arcade $199 plus a Harddrive $49

I need some imput. Does anyone actually own the Arcade unit????

My friend does, but he just slapped on the 20gb HDD from his old rrod'ed pro. Its exactly the same other than lacking a hard drive.

No hdmi too.

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#67 hayato_
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[QUOTE="hayato_"]

Tempting. Im still leaning towards the 60 gig

I don't go online alot either and I just want it for some games.

Does it have the HDMI slot to it?? Last question.

Itinerant_Voice

Yes, it does, unlike the older Pro and Core units.

Great, thanks.

Im still alittle undecided. I kind of want the 60 gig with the new chips in them, but i'll keep my options open.

Thanks for the info

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#68 Dreams-Visions
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I'll pick up one of those when it drops. I need a replacement for my lame 360.
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#69 Itinerant_Voice
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Er, the Arcade has HDMI. It just doesn't come with HDMI cables. You can buy those on ebay for $5-10.
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#70 loftus42
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[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

st1ka

price drops are usually a sign of desperation

Or making a cheaper console. because of a smaller cpu/gpu.
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#71 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

loftus42

price drops are usually a sign of desperation

Or making a cheaper console. because of a smaller cpu/gpu.

oh is this the new .... jasper was it?

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#73 loftus42
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

Pripyat

price drops usually are a sign of desperation

So you think Sony will follow?

Common sense would say no. Sony is still running in the red, because they are selling a console for cheaper then it costs to make. Desperation is one thing, stupidity is another. Sony isn't stupid. maybe a little slow, but not stupid.
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#74 Dreams-Visions
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In fact, I'll go buy one this month...maybe on the 10th from Best Buy...then go in a month from now for the price adjustment. win.
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#75 haziqonfire
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eh, the arcade? I want the pro.
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#76 loftus42
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[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

st1ka

price drops are usually a sign of desperation

Or making a cheaper console. because of a smaller cpu/gpu.

oh is this the new .... jasper was it?

Could be, no proof. But, the price drop might be an indication.
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#77 Dreams-Visions
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eh, the arcade? I want the pro.Haziqonfire
they're all dropping.
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#78 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

loftus42

price drops are usually a sign of desperation

Or making a cheaper console. because of a smaller cpu/gpu.

oh is this the new .... jasper was it?

Could be, no proof. But, the price drop might be an indication.

yes it is, you make a good point

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#79 ReverseCycology
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Comparing starting prices that will available, which one would most potential buyers appeal to:

A $250 Wii,.

A $200360,

Or a $400 PS3?

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#80 angelkimne
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Comparing starting prices that will available, which one would most potential buyers appeal to:

A $250 Wii,.

A $200360,

Or a $400 PS3?

ReverseCycology

And yet Ps3 will still beat 360 in sales overall.

IMO anyway. But i think most agree...

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#81 st1ka
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Comparing starting prices that will available, which one would most potential buyers appeal to:

A $250 Wii,.

A $200360,

Or a $400 PS3?

ReverseCycology

seeing as how people actually pay 500 dollars for a Wii on Ebay i gotta go with the Wii Mr. Barker

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#82 Itinerant_Voice
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Comparing starting prices that will available, which one would most potential buyers appeal to:

A $250 Wii,.

A $200360,

Or a $400 PS3?

ReverseCycology

Sony will have to drop their price to $300 or risk losing the mainstream American market. They're already too far behind. They'll make up their losses with revenue from Europe and Japan.

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#83 rocket9434
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It is probably refurbished. And who wants the arcade one anyway?
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#84 ultimate_123
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hmmm....... Time for the 360 domination again?
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[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Wow the PS2 must be REALLY DESPARATE then!:lol:st1ka

right now? it should be it's lifetime is nearly over

Sony cut the PS2s price by one third only a mere year after its launch even though it had a 10 to 1 lead over its competitors. Price drops are a sign of desperation? :roll:
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#86 kingyotoX
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[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="kingyotoX"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

kingyotoX

Please quit talking before you hurt yourself.

Threats now ???

Reminds me of PS_John.

lol how is that a threat?

Hey there champ you still didn't tell me how that was a threat.

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#87 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Wow the PS2 must be REALLY DESPARATE then!:lol:Stevo_the_gamer

right now? it should be it's lifetime is nearly over

Sony cut the PS2s price by one third only a mere year after its launch even though it had a 10 to 1 lead over its competitors. Price drops are a sign of desperation? :roll:

i don't know the circunstances maybe it was, maybe it wasn't

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#88 the_hsoj
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Don't know why this is turning into a M$ vs Sony price drop flamebait, I think it's great news for people like me who were waiting for one last price drop before buying a new console
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#89 ceruxx
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Thats ridiculously cheap, but I'm still not buying into it microsoft. I want PS3 for imports.
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#90 Nike_Air
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The 360 will destroy the ps3 now for good , it is over.

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#91 Dynafrom
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Ill buy the prem if it hits 199.99
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#92 linkin_guy109
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doesnt that say promo price? and not permanent?
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#93 KinkInDaLink
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This makes sense, they have cut the production cost of the 360 down considerably since launch. With the new 65nm gpu chip, even at $199 they probably won't be selling at a loss. This is going to make the 360 sales explode this holiday.
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#94 mbrockway
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[QUOTE="mbrockway"][QUOTE="hayato_"][QUOTE="mbrockway"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

I dont really think it's a sign of desperation... just business. I mean, heck the 360 has been out for 3 years almost. It's about time for a 199 SKU.

1xcalibur1

Dang straight. Glad I cancelled that $349 60gb preorder now :P

Im glad I waited to.

Now do I want to get teh 60 gig at $299 or the Arcade $199 plus a Harddrive $49

I need some imput. Does anyone actually own the Arcade unit????

My friend does, but he just slapped on the 20gb HDD from his old rrod'ed pro. Its exactly the same other than lacking a hard drive.

No hdmi too.

It has hdmi. You're thinking of the old Core model, the Arcade added HDMI and wireless controllers. All new 360's have hdmi now.

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#95 linkin_guy109
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also two more things to add about that pic, it says next perm price 000, whos to say this will be a permanent price and not just a way for them to stop production of the arcade?, and can i have a link to where you got the pic from?
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i don't know the circunstances maybe it was, maybe it wasn't

st1ka
:roll: I thought price drops were a sign of desperation though, I mean if you have no reasoning to back up what you say - why even say it in the first place? Then again, this is SystemWars so I guess I'm just wasting my time.
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#97 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

price drops are usually a sign of desperation

Stevo_the_gamer

i don't know the circunstances maybe it was, maybe it wasn't

:roll: I thought price drops were a sign of desperation though, I mean if you have no reasoning to back up what you say - why even say it in the first place? Then again, this is SystemWars so I guess I'm just wasting my time.

or maybe you should learn how to read

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#98 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="kingyotoX"][QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="kingyotoX"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Sony am cry?

kingyotoX

Please quit talking before you hurt yourself.

Threats now ???

Reminds me of PS_John.

lol how is that a threat?

Hey there champ you still didn't tell me how that was a threat.

Oh.

Because you you were saying that if he didn't say soemthing you agree with then he might end up getting hurt.

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#99 KinkInDaLink
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also two more things to add about that pic, it says next perm price 000, whos to say this will be a permanent price and not just a way for them to stop production of the arcade?, and can i have a link to where you got the pic from?linkin_guy109

the guy who took these pics also comfirmed the other prices over on neogaf, so this would seem legit. It's looks like its just the way their system stores the next price, unless anyone thinks they're discontinuing the premium and elite too? :P

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#100 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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or maybe you should learn how to read

st1ka

I'll clarrify it for you - or take it down a notch so you can grasp the concept. You said the following:

of course sony was desperate at the time, they sold millions at launch but after that they were in dead last every week, if dropping 200 dollars/euros on the price in one year isn't desperate then i don't know what is

st1ka

Sony cut its price of the PS3 by 1/3 in one years time - they've done this before with the PS2, dropping its price by 1/3 and that was hardly desperate. Again, you think this: "probably to hold over the lead" Which, in essence, tells us one thing: You have no idea. Quit spouting non sense - simple really. Microsoft isn't desperate, and Sony wasn't desperate. It's simple business tactics which have been around for MANY, MANyY, many years.

Nice try though.