1UP on Sony motion device: Discounted knockoff item from Dollar Store

It's a engineering prototype. :| /thread

Storm_Marine

This is what I dont understand.

Why people are hating on a prototype.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

It's a engineering prototype. :| /thread

macca404

This is what I dont understand.

Why people are hating on a prototype.

[QUOTE="Giancar"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

It seems this one does the most, though. Really a shame.

BioShockOwnz

If it has to be done, I want to see it be done right.

No, you want to see it fail, just like all things related to PS3.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]What :? ? To me what Sony showed was basically the Wiimote and Wii MotionPlus but built in one device. Whereas Natal to me seems completely useless because I don't see how it'll work for more complex games without a physical device to move a character and such.BioShockOwnz

Sony basically stole MS's and Ninty's motion devices and glued them together, and now it looks rushed and poor.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]What :? ? To me what Sony showed was basically the Wiimote and Wii MotionPlus but built in one device. Whereas Natal to me seems completely useless because I don't see how it'll work for more complex games without a physical device to move a character and such.BioShockOwnz

Sony basically stole MS's and Ninty's motion devices and glued them together, and now it looks rushed and poor.

How exactly?

Isn't it the other way around since Sony made the Eyetoy and PlayStation Eye first? :|

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]What :? ? To me what Sony showed was basically the Wiimote and Wii MotionPlus but built in one device. Whereas Natal to me seems completely useless because I don't see how it'll work for more complex games without a physical device to move a character and such.BioShockOwnz

Sony basically stole MS's and Ninty's motion devices and glued them together, and now it looks rushed and poor.

Does anyone remember this little number?

It's the PS2 eyetoy if anything MS copied Sony

[QUOTE="macca404"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

It's a engineering prototype. :| /thread

heretrix

This is what I dont understand.

Why people are hating on a prototype.

^Nice history lesson, Animal-Mother :PFloppy_Jim

speaking of the eyetoy

I got a mini one with kinetic for $15 at blockbuster

in the hardware bin, an older model.. for like $30.. wtf blockbuster? least they weren't charging as much as GS though

it makes for a good pc webcam though, beats my cheapy one that lacks a mic

anyways I don't understand the hate for sony's device yet the extreme hype for MS' device which fails to support traditional games

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]What :? ? To me what Sony showed was basically the Wiimote and Wii MotionPlus but built in one device. Whereas Natal to me seems completely useless because I don't see how it'll work for more complex games without a physical device to move a character and such.BioShockOwnz

Sony basically stole MS's and Ninty's motion devices and glued them together, and now it looks rushed and poor.

The camera is basically another sensor bar, in my opinion.

Either way, personally, I think Sony probably has the best device yet - better than the Wiimote - because it is basically the Wiimote and Motion+ in one device, rather than a seperate one.

In any case, I like having a physical device. With Natal, there is no physical device - besides simple/accessible games (burnout, skate) and some party games(that dodge ball demo) - I can't see it being used for things like say, modern warfare 2 - because of the lack of a physical device.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]What :? ? To me what Sony showed was basically the Wiimote and Wii MotionPlus but built in one device. Whereas Natal to me seems completely useless because I don't see how it'll work for more complex games without a physical device to move a character and such.BioShockOwnz

Sony basically stole MS's and Ninty's motion devices and glued them together, and now it looks rushed and poor.

Stole? :? And its called a Prototype for a reason.

did someone hack Bioshocks account or something?

So Sony copied off of PC tech with Eyetoy, which MS was involved in first? Good to know!

So Sony copied off of PC tech with Eyetoy, which MS was involved in first? Good to know!

BioShockOwnz

Does anyone remember this little number?

It's the PS2 eyetoy if anything MS copied Sony

Animal-Mother

So Sony copied off of PC tech with Eyetoy, which MS was involved in first? Good to know!

BioShockOwnz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_room_coffee_pot Funny That means everyone copied off this University of cambridge study/

What else has sony stolen?

What else has sony stolen?

Animal-Mother

"It was maybe a little underwhelming when Sony followed Microsoft's controller-free demo with a fairly standard kind of motion recognition, but the thing is... well, the device shown was... I'm still kind of dumbstruck by...

Oh hell! It was a damn blinking wand! The thing looked like it was looted out of a discounted, knockoff "Harry The Wizard" Halloween costume from a dollar store. Someone must have left the actual controller at home and called their mom to pick something up on her way back from pilates." - 1UP

Link to full article of top 5 E3 WTF's:

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3174687

Didn't seem like they were very impressed by it. :( Natal didn't make the "WTF" article, so Sony's motion device must not have been as impressive. :( Oh well, I hope Sony gets it right next time. It has potential.

BioShockOwnz

From the title, you make it sound like it performs like a dollar store knockoff. The article clearly states it looks like one, and we all already know its not the final product :roll:

Way to take an article commenting jokingly about the product and then turn around to make it look like it was a serious comment. Yes, the controller is a big WTF but this is so old that it's not even funny. If you are going to try to bash the performance of the controller, make sure you find an article that corresponds to it. 1Up doesn't think Sony's motion control sucks more, they just think the design is bad. Not hard to read a silly 8 lines, yet you managed to totally twist the meaning.

What's funny is that you also try to sound like you care for the success of Sony's motion, but its clear that you dont from the way you blatantly distorted the actual article.

:lol: Now that I've started to read through the pages, I can't believe how funny you are. I can't tell if you are joking or if you are actually serious anymore.

You are not the unbias lemming I thought you were :(

Its. A. Prototype.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

What else has sony stolen?

Episode_Eve

That was Kaz Hirai, not Sony as a company. Get your facts straight!

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

"It was maybe a little underwhelming when Sony followed Microsoft's controller-free demo with a fairly standard kind of motion recognition, but the thing is... well, the device shown was... I'm still kind of dumbstruck by...

Oh hell! It was a damn blinking wand! The thing looked like it was looted out of a discounted, knockoff "Harry The Wizard" Halloween costume from a dollar store. Someone must have left the actual controller at home and called their mom to pick something up on her way back from pilates." - 1UP

Link to full article of top 5 E3 WTF's:

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3174687

Didn't seem like they were very impressed by it. :( Natal didn't make the "WTF" article, so Sony's motion device must not have been as impressive. :( Oh well, I hope Sony gets it right next time. It has potential.

Alpha-Male22

From the title, you make it sound like it performs like a dollar store knockoff. The article clearly states it looks like one, and we all already know its not the final product :roll: I've noticed you rolling around in lemming sauce lately. Way to take an article commenting jokingly about the product and then turn around to make it look like it was a serious comment. Yes, the controller is a big WTF but this is so old that it's not even funny. If you are going to try to bash the performance of the controller, make sure you find an article that corresponds to it. 1Up doesn't think Sony's motion control sucks more, they just think the design is bad. Not hard to read a silly 8 lines, yet you managed to totally twist the meaning.

What's funny is that you also try to sound like you care for the success of Sony's motion, but its clear that you dont from the way you blatantly distorted the actual article.

Its. A. Prototype.

:lol: Now that I've started to read through the pages, I can't believe how funny you are. I can't tell if you are joking or if you are actually serious anymore.

You are not the unbias lemming I thought you were :(

Funny, cows use the 'it wasn't teh final product' to defend the PS knockoff, yet ignore the SAME argument pertaining to NATAL...double standards much?

Does anyone remember this little number?

It's the PS2 eyetoy if anything MS copied Sony

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

"It was maybe a little underwhelming when Sony followed Microsoft's controller-free demo with a fairly standard kind of motion recognition, but the thing is... well, the device shown was... I'm still kind of dumbstruck by...

Oh hell! It was a damn blinking wand! The thing looked like it was looted out of a discounted, knockoff "Harry The Wizard" Halloween costume from a dollar store. Someone must have left the actual controller at home and called their mom to pick something up on her way back from pilates." - 1UP

Link to full article of top 5 E3 WTF's:

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3174687

Didn't seem like they were very impressed by it. :( Natal didn't make the "WTF" article, so Sony's motion device must not have been as impressive. :( Oh well, I hope Sony gets it right next time. It has potential.

AlphaGamer469

From the title, you make it sound like it performs like a dollar store knockoff. The article clearly states it looks like one, and we all already know its not the final product :roll: I've noticed you rolling around in lemming sauce lately. Way to take an article commenting jokingly about the product and then turn around to make it look like it was a serious comment. Yes, the controller is a big WTF but this is so old that it's not even funny. If you are going to try to bash the performance of the controller, make sure you find an article that corresponds to it. 1Up doesn't think Sony's motion control sucks more, they just think the design is bad. Not hard to read a silly 8 lines, yet you managed to totally twist the meaning.

What's funny is that you also try to sound like you care for the success of Sony's motion, but its clear that you dont from the way you blatantly distorted the actual article.

Its. A. Prototype.

:lol: Now that I've started to read through the pages, I can't believe how funny you are. I can't tell if you are joking or if you are actually serious anymore.

You are not the unbias lemming I thought you were :(

Funny, cows use the 'it wasn't teh final product' to defend the PS knockoff, yet ignore the SAME argument pertaining to NATAL...double standards much?

IGN, Gametrailers and G4 all say otherwise :)

LINK

"While the Milo demo was certainly slick, it's nothing that can't be done with the PlayStation Eye as-is, and in fact there were a number of PlayStation 2 games using the EyeToy that did the same stuff"

"One big thing that the Natal will never be able to do is pick up subtle hand movements, such as the twist of a wrist, like the PlayStation Motion Controller can (and Wii MotionPlus for that matter). For things like accurate use of swords or tennis rackets, this is a very necessary thing."

LINK

"Its motion sensing technology and camera combo looked to be the most promising of the bunch"

LINK

"The tech is extremely impressive -- even more than Microsoft's Project Natal. The fidelity is amazing"

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Does anyone remember this little number?

It's the PS2 eyetoy if anything MS copied Sony

3picuri3

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

"It was maybe a little underwhelming when Sony followed Microsoft's controller-free demo with a fairly standard kind of motion recognition, but the thing is... well, the device shown was... I'm still kind of dumbstruck by...

Oh hell! It was a damn blinking wand! The thing looked like it was looted out of a discounted, knockoff "Harry The Wizard" Halloween costume from a dollar store. Someone must have left the actual controller at home and called their mom to pick something up on her way back from pilates." - 1UP

Link to full article of top 5 E3 WTF's:

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3174687

Didn't seem like they were very impressed by it. :( Natal didn't make the "WTF" article, so Sony's motion device must not have been as impressive. :( Oh well, I hope Sony gets it right next time. It has potential.

AlphaGamer469

From the title, you make it sound like it performs like a dollar store knockoff. The article clearly states it looks like one, and we all already know its not the final product :roll: I've noticed you rolling around in lemming sauce lately. Way to take an article commenting jokingly about the product and then turn around to make it look like it was a serious comment. Yes, the controller is a big WTF but this is so old that it's not even funny. If you are going to try to bash the performance of the controller, make sure you find an article that corresponds to it. 1Up doesn't think Sony's motion control sucks more, they just think the design is bad. Not hard to read a silly 8 lines, yet you managed to totally twist the meaning.

What's funny is that you also try to sound like you care for the success of Sony's motion, but its clear that you dont from the way you blatantly distorted the actual article.

Its. A. Prototype.

:lol: Now that I've started to read through the pages, I can't believe how funny you are. I can't tell if you are joking or if you are actually serious anymore.

You are not the unbias lemming I thought you were :(

Funny, cows use the 'it wasn't teh final product' to defend the PS knockoff, yet ignore the SAME argument pertaining to NATAL...double standards much?

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware all cows followed the same pattern of reasoning. If you are going to address me, make sure you address what I say, and not generalize what YOU think all cows say.

A) This has absolutely nothing to do with Natal.

B) Therefore, you made a strawman argument: You respond to me without actually responding to my comment and use a substitute situation. You have achieved nothing

C) You assume generalities. Never once did I critisize Natal without the knowledge that it's not a final product. If anything, I stated my doubts about a product without using a controller

D) So what does my comment have to do with Natal again? And why do you respond to what I said...without actually RESPONDING to what I said?

E) Since this has nothing to do with Natal (once again), your comment is rendered off-topic.

Try harder next time.

Also, you call it a knock-off showing you disregard this whole topic entirely. It's a protype, and the motion control has been demonstrated to be very precise. It makes me think if you actually read and discuss the topics or if you just go around looking for PS3 comments to bash.

I think everybody here who is saying who ripped off who and which is better is grasping for straws. Nobody knows anything concrete and we won't know what will be successful until the tech is mass produced and we see software.If you want to go this route, the entire Japanese electronic industry business is based on tech they didn't invent first. Technology is like this and I really wish people would stop complaining about it. Someone creates something and people iterate on it.

I think everybody here who is saying who ripped off who and which is better is grasping for straws. Nobody knows anything concrete and we won't know what will be successful until the tech is mass produced and we see software.If you want to go this route, the entire Japanese electronic industry business is based on tech they didn't invent first. Technology is like this and I really wish people would stop complaining about it. Someone creates something and people iterate on it.

heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I think everybody here who is saying who ripped off who and which is better is grasping for straws. Nobody knows anything concrete and we won't know what will be successful until the tech is mass produced and we see software.If you want to go this route, the entire Japanese electronic industry business is based on tech they didn't invent first. Technology is like this and I really wish people would stop complaining about it. Someone creates something and people iterate on it.

Alpha-Male22

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

I think everybody here who is saying who ripped off who and which is better is grasping for straws. Nobody knows anything concrete and we won't know what will be successful until the tech is mass produced and we see software.If you want to go this route, the entire Japanese electronic industry business is based on tech they didn't invent first. Technology is like this and I really wish people would stop complaining about it. Someone creates something and people iterate on it.

heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"] Thank you. Apparantly, if something is similar in design it: A) Rips them off B) Copy's them C) Does something unoriginal The very fabric of how ideas are shared is considered wrong or unethical in a business sense. It's a clear grasp for straws.Episode_Eve

People seem to think that just because you can use Natal without a controller, it's the only way it's going to be used. I see it being used as a supplemental device for the 360 gamepad as well and that has me jazzed. The same goes for Sony's motion controller..PS3 graphics with super accurate wii control? I'm in. The only reason I no longer have a Wii is because I don't like the games. I love the motion control concept, I just don't think Nintendo is excuting it well enough.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Does anyone remember this little number?

It's the PS2 eyetoy if anything MS copied Sony

3picuri3

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I don't know about anyone else but I'm looking forward to both Sony and MS's motion control solutions.

heretrix

People seem to think that just because you can use Natal without a controller, it's the only way it's going to be used. I see it being used as a supplemental device for the 360 gamepad as well and that has me jazzed. The same goes for Sony's motion controller..PS3 graphics with super accurate wii control? I'm in. The only reason I no longer have a Wii is because I don't like the games. I love the motion control concept, I just don't think Nintendo is excuting it well enough.

The wand looked more intriguing to me than Natal... and I've never trusted 1UP before, so meh.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] Oh yeah, count me in. I'm not sure if I'll be an early adopter, but they both look fun and have tons of potential.Episode_Eve

People seem to think that just because you can use Natal without a controller, it's the only way it's going to be used. I see it being used as a supplemental device for the 360 gamepad as well and that has me jazzed. The same goes for Sony's motion controller..PS3 graphics with super accurate wii control? I'm in. The only reason I no longer have a Wii is because I don't like the games. I love the motion control concept, I just don't think Nintendo is excuting it well enough.

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

All motion controls suck.

BioShockOwnz

It seems this one does the most, though. Really a shame.

its really ashame you not only forgot that ign said the exact opposite (so which one is true) and you would make a statement like that w/o actually trying the device out...thats a great sign of intelligence

didn't everyone already know sony's controls are likely to be the worst motion control. despite how bad natal turns out or if you think wiimote is just a waggle device. they both have something good going for them, microsofts camera has potential, and wiimote is used for pretty much every game. unless sony use motion control next gen i don't see how they will force these onto the user sucessfully, not many are excited for them. the prototypes were a joke they looked like crap, which isn't too big of a deal, but they didn't even have a sticks for control, it was a really basic prototype that's not even practical at the moment.Mckenna1845

i got the vibe that it was simply an add-on for the eye-toy and that is deff. something they need to make more games for

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]didn't everyone already know sony's controls are likely to be the worst motion control. despite how bad natal turns out or if you think wiimote is just a waggle device. they both have something good going for them, microsofts camera has potential, and wiimote is used for pretty much every game. unless sony use motion control next gen i don't see how they will force these onto the user sucessfully, not many are excited for them. the prototypes were a joke they looked like crap, which isn't too big of a deal, but they didn't even have a sticks for control, it was a really basic prototype that's not even practical at the moment.hyperboy152000

i got the vibe that it was simply an add-on for the eye-toy and that is deff. something they need to make more games for

as i said it might turn out crap, but it atleast has the potential to be used. sony motion controls wern't even complete, they said it was a prototype, but it was basically just an ir pointer, it wasn't a controller it can't be used for anything, at this time.

until i see sonys motion controls actually being used in a real game, where the game can be actually controlled, and not just a rail game with motion control they are pointless.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Does anyone remember this little number?

It's the PS2 eyetoy if anything MS copied Sony

Animal-Mother