1UP on Sony motion device: Discounted knockoff item from Dollar Store

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] are you kidding me? it's high time people stop making silly visual comparisons. the tech in that device is stone-age compared to the Natal sensor array / dedicated processor system.

3picuri3

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

All motion controls suck.

hyperboy152000

It seems this one does the most, though. Really a shame.

its really ashame you not only forgot that ign said the exact opposite (so which one is true) and you would make a statement like that w/o actually trying the device out...thats a great sign of intelligence

Yeah, cause IGN's word is the definitive truth. I prefer the 1UP crew, even though I don't always agree with them. Sorry. And no need to insult others intelligence, fella.

So Sony copied off of PC tech with Eyetoy, which MS was involved in first? Good to know!

BioShockOwnz

A Sony controller prototype looking silly? Never...

http://www.ps3vault.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/controller.jpg

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="heretrix"]This is key for me.I'm not excited about what they showed, I'm excited about the possibilities.

People seem to think that just because you can use Natal without a controller, it's the only way it's going to be used. I see it being used as a supplemental device for the 360 gamepad as well and that has me jazzed. The same goes for Sony's motion controller..PS3 graphics with super accurate wii control? I'm in. The only reason I no longer have a Wii is because I don't like the games. I love the motion control concept, I just don't think Nintendo is excuting it well enough.

Alpha-Male22

If they get the tech down and market it properly, it could be successful for them. And from the looks of things they are on the right track. Showing it on Good Morning America and Jimmy Fallon within days of each other is a damn good start. They aren't even out of the prototype stage and they already have national coverage.

yahn. the ps3's is accurate at least.... hopefully the final product won't look SO stupid.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] The concepts are the same though sorry.Animal-Mother

Good, then we can finally agree on 1 major point; Sony has NEVER innovated anything in the industry because everything they have done is a similer concept over any company before them. BTW, the Eyetoy is not innovative, Nintendo had a camera attachment for the GameBoy that used the same concept of the EyeToy....

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"] no, they're not at all. please read up on the technology. AlphaGamer469

Good, then we can finally agree on 1 major point; Sony has NEVER innovated anything in the industry because everything they have done is a similer concept over any company before them. BTW, the Eyetoy is not innovative, Nintendo had a camera attachment for the GameBoy that used the same concept of the EyeToy....

Like said before, there is nothing at all wrong with that. Most of the time Sony picks up and pushes something forward. EVERY company does that, so really, what are you arguing about? You are acting like the sharing, manipulating, and transforming of basic ideas is somehow morally wrong. What exactly are you trying to prove?

I'm still waiting for you to respond to my previous comment btw.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"] no, they're not at all. please read up on the technology. AlphaGamer469

Good, then we can finally agree on 1 major point; Sony has NEVER innovated anything in the industry because everything they have done is a similer concept over any company before them. BTW, the Eyetoy is not innovative, Nintendo had a camera attachment for the GameBoy that used the same concept of the EyeToy....

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"] no, they're not at all. please read up on the technology. AlphaGamer469

Good, then we can finally agree on 1 major point; Sony has NEVER innovated anything in the industry because everything they have done is a similer concept over any company before them. BTW, the Eyetoy is not innovative, Nintendo had a camera attachment for the GameBoy that used the same concept of the EyeToy....

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] The concepts are the same though sorry.Animal-Mother

it really doesnt matter to me what other people in SW have to say about it, I've read about the technology from 3DV (sp?) and compared to what was in the eyetoy - and you linked a PS2 cam... not the same thing AT. ALL.

sound + multi visual array + unique dedicated built-in processor for tracking up to 8 people including fingers / toes with precision + recognition suites both form and facial and color.

NATAL also has an array dedicated to NIR (near infra red) monitoring and recognition.

you seriously should READ up on it. it's fascinating stuff.

it's nowhere near the same technology AT ALL.

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

It seems this one does the most, though. Really a shame.

BioShockOwnz

its really ashame you not only forgot that ign said the exact opposite (so which one is true) and you would make a statement like that w/o actually trying the device out...thats a great sign of intelligence

Yeah, cause IGN's word is the definitive truth. I prefer the 1UP crew, even though I don't always agree with them. Sorry. And no need to insult others intelligence, fella.

Ok...Something that's still in the works. That's all.

/thread/1up article.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"] no, they're not at all. please read up on the technology. 3picuri3

it really doesnt matter to me what other people in SW have to say about it, I've read about the technology from 3DV (sp?) and compared to what was in the eyetoy - and you linked a PS2 cam... not the same thing AT. ALL.

sound + multi visual array + unique dedicated built-in processor for tracking up to 8 people including fingers / toes with precision + recognition suites both form and facial and color.

NATAL also has an array dedicated to NIR (near infra red) monitoring and recognition.

you seriously should READ up on it. it's fascinating stuff.

it's nowhere near the same technology AT ALL.

Yes it is.

They did say it was a prototype, so I highly doubt it'll look like that come launch.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]

its really ashame you not only forgot that ign said the exact opposite (so which one is true) and you would make a statement like that w/o actually trying the device out...thats a great sign of intelligence

Harry_Balzac

Yeah, cause IGN's word is the definitive truth. I prefer the 1UP crew, even though I don't always agree with them. Sorry. And no need to insult others intelligence, fella.

Actually what Sony does best is over promise and under deliver. BTW, if gamers like PS3 so much, how come it's still in last?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Like Eve said. Natal is an evolved Eyetoy. The concepts are the same. They both track motion. and voice.

ocelot562

it really doesnt matter to me what other people in SW have to say about it, I've read about the technology from 3DV (sp?) and compared to what was in the eyetoy - and you linked a PS2 cam... not the same thing AT. ALL.

sound + multi visual array + unique dedicated built-in processor for tracking up to 8 people including fingers / toes with precision + recognition suites both form and facial and color.

NATAL also has an array dedicated to NIR (near infra red) monitoring and recognition.

you seriously should READ up on it. it's fascinating stuff.

it's nowhere near the same technology AT ALL.

Yes it is.

Way to provide compelling technical data to support your claims...

Well apparently all these gimicky motion controllers are the future.. Who ever said nintendo was not ruining gaming. They where wrong. It's happening. Slowly but surely.

Well apparently all these gimicky motion controllers are the future.. Who ever said nintendo was not ruining gaming. They where wrong. It's happening. Slowly but surely.

FloWeN-UK

Actually the decline began when Sony took over...

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"] no, they're not at all. please read up on the technology. 3picuri3

it really doesnt matter to me what other people in SW have to say about it, I've read about the technology from 3DV (sp?) and compared to what was in the eyetoy - and you linked a PS2 cam... not the same thing AT. ALL.

sound + multi visual array + unique dedicated built-in processor for tracking up to 8 people including fingers / toes with precision + recognition suites both form and facial and color.

NATAL also has an array dedicated to NIR (near infra red) monitoring and recognition.

you seriously should READ up on it. it's fascinating stuff.

it's nowhere near the same technology AT ALL.

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]

Well apparently all these gimicky motion controllers are the future.. Who ever said nintendo was not ruining gaming. They where wrong. It's happening. Slowly but surely.

AlphaGamer469

Actually the decline began when Sony took over...

Well apparently all these gimicky motion controllers are the future.. Who ever said nintendo was not ruining gaming. They where wrong. It's happening. Slowly but surely.

Gaming wont be fine.FloWeN-UK

That's your little opinion, don't forget it :P

And yes, my little opinion is that gaming is and will be fine.

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"] Gaming wont be fine.IronBass

That's your little opinion, don't forget it :P

And yes, my little opinion is that gaming is and will be fine.

OK but my little opinion is better than your little opinion. Agreed?FloWeN-UK

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"] OK but my little opinion is better than your little opinion. Agreed?IronBass

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Like Eve said. Natal is an evolved Eyetoy. The concepts are the same. They both track motion. and voice.

Animal-Mother

it really doesnt matter to me what other people in SW have to say about it, I've read about the technology from 3DV (sp?) and compared to what was in the eyetoy - and you linked a PS2 cam... not the same thing AT. ALL.

sound + multi visual array + unique dedicated built-in processor for tracking up to 8 people including fingers / toes with precision + recognition suites both form and facial and color.

NATAL also has an array dedicated to NIR (near infra red) monitoring and recognition.

you seriously should READ up on it. it's fascinating stuff.

it's nowhere near the same technology AT ALL.

I won't lie, I liked what I saw of it at E3, it's what everyone thought the Wii was going to do day one.

Who was the first to put the camera on a console? PoppaGamer

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

So Sony copied off of PC tech with Eyetoy, which MS was involved in first? Good to know!

PoppaGamer

Good Post. I agree with all of it.

I showed some Natal clips to a few people at my job and they all freaked out. And it wasn't a "wait a couple of minutes and then say it's cool" reaction, it was an instant freakout like "Holy ****, that's freaking cool"..None of these people were gamers and a few bought Wii's in the past for their families..

If they get the tech down and market it properly, it could be successful for them. And from the looks of things they are on the right track. Showing it on Good Morning America and Jimmy Fallon within days of each other is a damn good start. They aren't even out of the prototype stage and they already have national coverage.

heretrix

I totally get why someone watching that E3 trailer would be excited. What they show happening in that video is cool as hell. But as you know, a lot of it is half-baked.

For instance with the Burnout videos we've seen. You can't bring up any HUD or menu. So, what, you have to stop and pick up a controller to do that? If I want to use a manual transmission, how will it know when i want to up-shift or down-shift? Those are soem small motion differences I am not sure it will pick up. Then you can get into the REALLY insane stuff like the skateboard scanning and Milo.

As concepts for the future, I think they are excellent. I just don't think we are close enough to see most of this in real use this generation. I do think Natal will be used in games. And probably a lot more than what some fanboys will say (will be more than just wii-sports type stuff). But I don't see if beiung used a lot more than the six-axis has been so far this gen. A handful of games will do it justice. More will use it decently here and there. And the majority of games won't lend themselves to it much at all.

All opinion, of course. Wouldn't be the first time someone (yes, myself included) said, "that can't happen" and it does.

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]Who was the first to put the camera on a console? IronBass

I would guess they didn't sense motion, though, no?

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

it really doesnt matter to me what other people in SW have to say about it, I've read about the technology from 3DV (sp?) and compared to what was in the eyetoy - and you linked a PS2 cam... not the same thing AT. ALL.

sound + multi visual array + unique dedicated built-in processor for tracking up to 8 people including fingers / toes with precision + recognition suites both form and facial and color.

NATAL also has an array dedicated to NIR (near infra red) monitoring and recognition.

you seriously should READ up on it. it's fascinating stuff.

it's nowhere near the same technology AT ALL.

3picuri3

[QUOTE="ocelot562"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

it really doesnt matter to me what other people in SW have to say about it, I've read about the technology from 3DV (sp?) and compared to what was in the eyetoy - and you linked a PS2 cam... not the same thing AT. ALL.

sound + multi visual array + unique dedicated built-in processor for tracking up to 8 people including fingers / toes with precision + recognition suites both form and facial and color.

NATAL also has an array dedicated to NIR (near infra red) monitoring and recognition.

you seriously should READ up on it. it's fascinating stuff.

it's nowhere near the same technology AT ALL.

AlphaGamer469

Yes it is.

Way to provide compelling technical data to support your claims...

you can't find it yourself online? that's your problem.

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]

Well apparently all these gimicky motion controllers are the future.. Who ever said nintendo was not ruining gaming. They where wrong. It's happening. Slowly but surely.

AlphaGamer469

Actually the decline began when Sony took over...

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

So Sony copied off of PC tech with Eyetoy, which MS was involved in first? Good to know!

macca404

Good Post. I agree with all of it.

[QUOTE="Giancar"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

It seems this one does the most, though. Really a shame.

BioShockOwnz

If it has to be done, I want to see it be done right.

[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

[QUOTE="ocelot562"]

Yes it is.

ocelot562

Way to provide compelling technical data to support your claims...

you can't find it yourself online? that's your problem.

You were the one bashing the comment. The least you could do is prove claims. You obviously can't so you go on defense...

[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]

Well apparently all these gimicky motion controllers are the future.. Who ever said nintendo was not ruining gaming. They where wrong. It's happening. Slowly but surely.

Alpha-Male22

Actually the decline began when Sony took over...

Gee before PS1 companies actually bundled softwae, provided enough controllers for everyone to play. concentrated soley on just games and provided the right equipment to actually hook up the system to your TV. I guess I've found the true Sony innovations...

I am of the opinion that Sony should probably just wait until next gen to release there motion device.

It was very impressive but think about it.

People will need to purchase the PS eye and the new motion controller. The price alone will turn most consumers off.

They should just continue working on the device and release it next gen bundled with the console.

They could make the controller almost perfect and developers would be able to create games that are specifically designed to use it.