MGS3 didnt even sell half of what Halo 2 did , with a userbase that is 4 times bigger :?Thug_Pikachumeh so what...people were dissapointed by MGS2 cause of raiden...it happens...halo 3 might sell less because of how inferior halo 2 was to 1....
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MGS3 didnt even sell half of what Halo 2 did , with a userbase that is 4 times bigger :?Thug_Pikachumeh so what...people were dissapointed by MGS2 cause of raiden...it happens...halo 3 might sell less because of how inferior halo 2 was to 1....
[QUOTE="tango90101"]geez..if that's the best you got, the 360 has nothing to worry about...:)
flipknoc
what's gonna be funny is to read your excuse why MS exceeded their sales projections..;)
[QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="flipknoc"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="flipknoc"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="flipknoc"]did the 360 ever reign?
it went through a whole year with no same-gen competition and it still couldn't reign over the ps2 :lol:
flipknoc
Sony Rule #1: When discussing next-gen sales, always bring up the PS2.
:lol: Cows follow this rule perfectly.
Yet its dead last.
The Ps3 is going to crush the 360 with :
1) Metal Gear Solid 4: This game is going to put halo 3 to shame... ¿Why?
Answer: Because mgs4 is a console seller itself, no one cares about the price of a console with great and unique games like this one and it has more fans than halo ( mgs saga started 5 years before :P)
2) Final Fantasy XIII : The best Rpg saga ever made with no discussion , this exclusive is itself a proof the the Japanese companies loyalty to their national Console makers ( this also benefits Nintendo)And No incoming rpg for the 360 can be compared to this one
3) Gran Turismo 5 : The best cars game of all time with a huge fan base all over the world and with an always innovative gameplay fame , This game is going to pawn the competition.
This 3 Games are three major Hits to Microsoft and with a little help from Nintendo the job will be done :twisted:
AgentA-Mi6
so you are saying they will crush them in late 2008 when those games come out?
[QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"]MGS3 didnt even sell half of what Halo 2 did , with a userbase that is 4 times bigger :?blazinpuertorocmeh so what...people were dissapointed by MGS2 cause of raiden...it happens...halo 3 might sell less because of how inferior halo 2 was to 1....
[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="flipknoc"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="flipknoc"]did the 360 ever reign?Wrong, it did indeed have competition: the spectre of the PS3 and Wii. Every gamer who held off on buying a 360, either to wait for the PS3 / Wii or to at least simply sit on the fence and see how the console war plays out after all 3 had launched, IS A LOST SALE DUE TO COMPETITION, regardles of whether the competitor's units were on the shelf yet or not. How does no one get this?
it went through a whole year with no same-gen competition and it still couldn't reign over the ps2 :lol:
dsmccracken
PS2 is a "known quantity" not the PS3. The average buyer is smart enough to know that this is "different" then the PS2 in that it is new. People are skeptical of new stuff until they have seen it all over the place and gain a sense that it has proven itself in one way or another. Even if this is following the footsteps of the PS2 there is still skepticism. Consoles are not like car brands.
And no the PS2 dominating was not an accident by any stretch. However the factors that caused it to dominate are not the same this time around. Each company is in a totally different environment then Sony was in 5 years ago. To the point of being upredictable.
HDMI is not even common knowledge yet. For people like you and me it's important, but for the guy that just got a big HDTV because it was the lowest price, they have no clue if their TV even has HDMI or not.
The first thing the average guy will see when looking at the PS3 and Xbox360 next to each other is the price. After that they look at what games they can take home with them that day. These two factors probably around 90% of a buyers decision. That other %10 covers the "perks" that such as HDMI, HD Space (most people don't even realize what the HD space will be used for), Bluu-Ray, bells, whistles.
To this person, the 360 wins.
To people that actually investigate a little bit and begin to weigh the other factors, the PS3 has the "potential" to win down the road when more games are out, and even more potential when the Blu-Ray factor kicks in.
Hey, no love for DMC4?TheCrimsonKoopa
Took the words out of my mouth, that game is the only reason [as of now], I am getting a PS3.
The first thing the average guy will see when looking at the PS3 and Xbox360 next to each other is the price. After that they look at what games they can take home with them that day. These two factors probably around 90% of a buyers decision.BgrngodAlso, when it comes to casuals, there is a ceiling beyond which most casuals won't buy no matter how tempting. I believe the price is $500. Beyond that, the only things casuals will buy are appliances (essential things around the home). TVs and computers can be considered appliances because of their overwhelming utility (and are the only two electronic devices to succeed at over $500). Also, the PS2's popularity didn't really take off until after it dropped price.
Well: Mass Effect
Halo 3
Gears of War 2(Only fair since you put FF which hasn’t been announced either, or i could have put Fable 2 since that may come out the same year FF does.)
Those look better IMO not to mention other good potential AAAs(like Blue Dragon) and many more AAs that are coming out.
1) The most overrated series in the history of console gaming. 1 was good, 2 was amazing, 3 was only average. They need to up the ante significantly to be a threat. It don't see it happening. It will be a good, enjoyable game, but not a blockbuster. 2) Oooh, another JRPG. FF was relevant years ago but outside of Japan no one cares anymore. 3) A great racing series, one of the best of all time. The 360 has an excellent PGR3 and Forza 2 looks incredible. It'll be a great game, no doubt, but its not going to kill the 360 in any way. Plus its too early for anything to be "crushing" anything else. While I'm sure the original post would be a big hit on the school bus with other PS3 fanboys, its a bit weak to hold up here.The Ps3 is going to crush the 360 with :
1) Metal Gear Solid 4: This game is going to put halo 3 to shame... ¿Why?
Answer: Because mgs4 is a console seller itself, no one cares about the price of a console with great and unique games like this one and it has more fans than halo ( mgs saga started 5 years before :P)
2) Final Fantasy XIII : The best Rpg saga ever made with no discussion , this exclusive is itself a proof the the Japanese companies loyalty to their national Console makers ( this also benefits Nintendo)And No incoming rpg for the 360 can be compared to this one
3) Gran Turismo 5 : The best cars game of all time with a huge fan base all over the world and with an always innovative gameplay fame , This game is going to pawn the competition.
This 3 Games are three major Hits to Microsoft and with a little help from Nintendo the job will be done :twisted:
AgentA-Mi6
The Ps3 is going to crush the 360 with :
2) Final Fantasy XIII : The best Rpg saga ever made with no discussion , this exclusive is itself a proof the the Japanese companies loyalty to their national Console makers ( this also benefits Nintendo)And No incoming rpg for the 360 can be compared to this one
AgentA-Mi6
1: It's popularity have decreased slightly but it's still excellent. 2: I absolutely freaking hate what they are doing with Final Fantasy. Best shmest, there are plenty of RPGs still just as worthwhile as Final Fantasy. 3: I like Forza Motorsport better.The Ps3 is going to crush the 360 with :
1) Metal Gear Solid 4: This game is going to put halo 3 to shame... ¿Why?
Answer: Because mgs4 is a console seller itself, no one cares about the price of a console with great and unique games like this one and it has more fans than halo ( mgs saga started 5 years before :P)
2) Final Fantasy XIII : The best Rpg saga ever made with no discussion , this exclusive is itself a proof the the Japanese companies loyalty to their national Console makers ( this also benefits Nintendo)And No incoming rpg for the 360 can be compared to this one
3) Gran Turismo 5 : The best cars game of all time with a huge fan base all over the world and with an always innovative gameplay fame , This game is going to pawn the competition.
This 3 Games are three major Hits to Microsoft and with a little help from Nintendo the job will be done :twisted:
AgentA-Mi6
Not being a fanboy but, my opinion is x360 already won...The Ps3 is going to crush the 360 with :
1) Metal Gear Solid 4: This game is going to put halo 3 to shame... ¿Why?
Answer: Because mgs4 is a console seller itself, no one cares about the price of a console with great and unique games like this one and it has more fans than halo ( mgs saga started 5 years before :P)
2) Final Fantasy XIII : The best Rpg saga ever made with no discussion , this exclusive is itself a proof the the Japanese companies loyalty to their national Console makers ( this also benefits Nintendo)And No incoming rpg for the 360 can be compared to this one
3) Gran Turismo 5 : The best cars game of all time with a huge fan base all over the world and with an always innovative gameplay fame , This game is going to pawn the competition.
This 3 Games are three major Hits to Microsoft and with a little help from Nintendo the job will be done :twisted:
AgentA-Mi6
[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="zeonne"][QUOTE="xbox3604lyf"]cool 3 games that will destroy ps's reignfable 2....beating ff13? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: didnt think there were any lems left on the hype train for that game after the first one under delivered Why don't you tell me??? Killzone 2 is being hyped regardless of the first one floping it like it's hot. kz2 is now being dev'd mostly by sony, not even really the same people which is why killzone liberation( psp) scored aaa in some places aa in all others the game has a dev team now of over 120 people and bigger budget then most summer blockbuster movies do....thats why its being hyped Killzone 2 has a 200 million dollar budget?
Halo 3
Fable 2
Mass Effect
zeonne
[QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"]MGS3 didnt even sell half of what Halo 2 did , with a userbase that is 4 times bigger :?MGS9150
What will GT5 do ?nivet14GT3 is the best selling exclusive game last gen with over 14+ million games sold. I wonder what GT5 will do, its in practically the same sitatution.
[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]1) MGS has never been a console seller. Halo has. It sold many an XBOX. MGS is one of those games that is in a list with 4 other games that together are "a system selling group of games" if you will. Since Halo was THE big title on XBOX, it sold systems without ever mentioning other games. Both Halo chapters outscored the MGS games that went up against. Weak argument on my part, but it's just a mirror image of what you are stating. Two weak arguments. Many MANY people do indeed care about the price of a console that has great games. Why do you think the PS2 is still selling? Wouldn't all those buyers already have bought a PS2?The Ps3 is going to crush the 360 with :
1) Metal Gear Solid 4: This game is going to put halo 3 to shame... ¿Why?
Answer: Because mgs4 is a console seller itself, no one cares about the price of a console with great and unique games like this one and it has more fans than halo ( mgs saga started 5 years before :P)
2) Final Fantasy XIII : The best Rpg saga ever made with no discussion , this exclusive is itself a proof the the Japanese companies loyalty to their national Console makers ( this also benefits Nintendo)And No incoming rpg for the 360 can be compared to this one
3) Gran Turismo 5 : The best cars game of all time with a huge fan base all over the world and with an always innovative gameplay fame , This game is going to pawn the competition.
This 3 Games are three major Hits to Microsoft and with a little help from Nintendo the job will be done :twisted:
Bgrngod
2) Blue Dragon is selling really well in Japan, and over there is considered a system seller. Interesting that many former FF creaters worked on this one. Oblivion is already out, and in the US has received a LOT of attention for the 360. Yes it is out for the PC too, but for people who don't play PC games, this is THE next-gen RPG right now and perhaps for awhile. FFXIII may not even come out for another 2 years, which would be more then enough time for either the PS3 or Xbox360 to take a commanding lead, and possibly enough to get SquareEnix to jump platforms. (not very likely, but always a possibility)
3) Forza 2, only a few months away. GT4 was an exceptionally weak entry into the series. Hope they can get more done with GT5, but it's possible the GT series may have peaked. Good luck seeing this game in 2007. It may end up competing with Forza3.
Sony has absolutely no magic bullets to end the 360. It will take many different (read: way more then 3) factors to cause any trouble for the 360.
hey, nice sig. I s that your set up?[QUOTE="MGS9150"][QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"]MGS3 didnt even sell half of what Halo 2 did , with a userbase that is 4 times bigger :?HuusAsking
No Tekken 6 on that list? I am dissapointedwhitetiger3521Tekken 6 is significant, but the others are all bigger than Tekken is today. If you asked me around the time Tekken 3 was released I might say differently, but thats how it stands right now. Gran Turismo of course is bigger than all of them when it comes to sales alone, but significantly smaller when it comes to actual system-seller potential..though I'm sure it will heavily factor for many people.
I hope you are aware of the label that your comments and your spelling of "let me" just stamped on your forehead.So lemmy get this straight:
a game about sneaking around and avoiding fighting… like a sissy (thats also rumored to be coming to the 360),
a wack eastern RPG with lame *** looking characters and a story with 0 voice acting (hmmm I wonder if your 6 axis can tilt you metrosexual in that game),
and a boring ass racing game that will charge you for extra cars
is supposedly gunna crush the dominating system this gen (360) YEH **** RITES
Dead_Menn
holy seems like an army of wild lemmings has stomped and stampeded into this forum immedietly after the almighty "XBOX REIGN" was threatened lol That being said, the threadmaker makes some good points.lilrushThis topic is generating a few coherent arguments altough
I agree with 2 of them but I don't think that GT5 will have a huge effect on the 360.jmorey01
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="MGS9150"][QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"]MGS3 didnt even sell half of what Halo 2 did , with a userbase that is 4 times bigger :?Runningflame570
[QUOTE="jmorey01"]I agree with 2 of them but I don't think that GT5 will have a huge effect on the 360.burntout_83
[QUOTE="jmorey01"]I agree with 2 of them but I don't think that GT5 will have a huge effect on the 360.burntout_83
[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]hmmm lets see: 1) Bio Shock or Alan Wake or best yet...BANJO!!! 2) Blue Dragon or Mass effect 3) Forza kicks, pardon the pun, asphault Not to mention Gears.The Ps3 is going to crush the 360 with :
1) Metal Gear Solid 4: This game is going to put halo 3 to shame... ¿Why?
Answer: Because mgs4 is a console seller itself, no one cares about the price of a console with great and unique games like this one and it has more fans than halo ( mgs saga started 5 years before :P)
2) Final Fantasy XIII : The best Rpg saga ever made with no discussion , this exclusive is itself a proof the the Japanese companies loyalty to their national Console makers ( this also benefits Nintendo)And No incoming rpg for the 360 can be compared to this one
3) Gran Turismo 5 : The best cars game of all time with a huge fan base all over the world and with an always innovative gameplay fame , This game is going to pawn the competition.
This 3 Games are three major Hits to Microsoft and with a little help from Nintendo the job will be done :twisted:
darrowby88
So Halo 2 had less opportunity to sell than FF10 (since FF10 had more time to sell--the rest of the PS2 generation).The argument does not hold up...the vast majority of any title's sales come within the first month after it is released in a region. For the second point, Forza Motorsport has nowhere near the following of Gran Turismo, even taking into account differences in install base (which are a lot less if you are following the 100 million = 60 million line of thought) Gran Turismo 4 sold FAR more than Forza (something like 5 times as much) even in the US where the Xbox was strongest. Care to explain that?
As for GT5's relation to GT3, there is one significant difference--competition. Microsoft now has Forza Motorsport with which to counter GT.
HuusAsking
[QUOTE="burntout_83"][QUOTE="jmorey01"]I agree with 2 of them but I don't think that GT5 will have a huge effect on the 360.-GeordiLaForge-
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So Halo 2 had less opportunity to sell than FF10 (since FF10 had more time to sell--the rest of the PS2 generation).The argument does not hold up...the vast majority of any title's sales come within the first month after it is released in a region. For the second point, Forza Motorsport has nowhere near the following of Gran Turismo, even taking into account differences in install base (which are a lot less if you are following the 100 million = 60 million line of thought) Gran Turismo 4 sold FAR more than Forza (something like 5 times as much) even in the US where the Xbox was strongest. Care to explain that?Go GT3 sold some 13 million within one month of its release? Can you prove that with actual sales numbers? The thing is, a game is usually available for quite a length of time after its release, and many people may not snap it up until the price goes down (I bought a used copy at $18). Casuals are penny-pinchers, remember.
As for GT5's relation to GT3, there is one significant difference--competition. Microsoft now has Forza Motorsport with which to counter GT.
Runningflame570
[QUOTE="Dead_Menn"]I hope you are aware of the label that your comments and your spelling of "let me" just stamped on your forehead. hahah G unot is awful you fail at life, 50 is a snitchSo lemmy get this straight:
a game about sneaking around and avoiding fighting… like a sissy (thats also rumored to be coming to the 360),
a wack eastern RPG with lame *** looking characters and a story with 0 voice acting (hmmm I wonder if your 6 axis can tilt you metrosexual in that game),
and a boring ass racing game that will charge you for extra cars
is supposedly gunna crush the dominating system this gen (360) YEH **** RITES
lilrush
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