30fps = Next Gen Standard.........Here's Why

In your dreams, maybe.

CoD is 60 FPS, and that is in all likelihood the primary reason it's referred to as the "King of FPS".

60 FPS, if anything, is the future.

GTAV2012

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Why? Most games are 100% fine on 30 fps. The only thing that needs to run on higher fps are racing games and fast paced shooters like Quake 3 Arena that you cant (or dont want to) play on joypad anyway.

SaltyMeatballs

I think 1080p at 60FPS is not an unrealistic standard for next gen consoles.gamebreakerz__

If next gen is 30fps again, then I won't bother with any of the next gen consoles when they release and will stick to PC only.AmazonTreeBoa

Not me. I'm not going to miss out on possibly great games that won't ever come out on PC.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]If next gen is 30fps again, then I won't bother with any of the next gen consoles when they release and will stick to PC only.garland51

Not me. I'm not going to miss out on possibly great games that won't ever come out on PC.

What is with all of the 30fps hate in here? you all DO realize that TV is displayed in 27 fps? Also 60 fps is damn near pointless. I'll be happy with game systems actually being able to handle true HD instead of this 720pgarrett_duffman

TV show and movie frame rates are not at all comparable because they use blurring and filtering and other advanced tricks to give the perception of smooth movement despite the low frame rate. Games can't do such tricks in real time without huge performance costs; that same 27-30 FPS in a console game doesn't benefit from any of these tricks so appears very choppy. If you constantly play 30 FPS console games you'll become less sensitive to this but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

PC gamers aim for 60 FPS because it gives a demonstrably better experience, not because of some imagined belief that bigger numbers are automatically better. Beyond 60 FPS the gains aren't nearly so dramatic, but any extra frames are still advantageous because it means the game is running with performance to spare so will stay close to that in high-demand situations (where on a console a game might dip from 30 to 20 FPS).

I would be very disappointed if next-generation consoles cannot run games with both 1080p and 60 FPS. I can understand a frame rate drop late in the generation when they're trying to make games look better long after the hardware's upper limits have been reached, but doing this from the start is unacceptable.

So, nothing that wasn't already known.

Some are expecting 60fps as the standard, but it won't happen.

What is with all of the 30fps hate in here? you all DO realize that TV is displayed in 27 fps? Also 60 fps is damn near pointless. I'll be happy with game systems actually being able to handle true HD instead of this 720p bullcrap. The 360 and ps3 look the same on my SDTV with RGB cables than they do with an HD tv with HDMI. The only difference is that I can read the letters now.garrett_duffman

if that is the case, I will be pissed

if that is the case, I will be pissed

arbitor365

Why? :? 30fps is great, when it's a constant.

It is the case, btw.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]If next gen is 30fps again, then I won't bother with any of the next gen consoles when they release and will stick to PC only.garland51

Not me. I'm not going to miss out on possibly great games that won't ever come out on PC.

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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]If next gen is 30fps again, then I won't bother with any of the next gen consoles when they release and will stick to PC only.DragonfireXZ95

Not me. I'm not going to miss out on possibly great games that won't ever come out on PC.

There always is. Every platform has a game we wish we could all play..

[QUOTE="killu-later"]next gen is all about detail and devs and gonna want to push as many things on screen as possible. sure next gen consoles can easily do 1080p 60fps but it will still only look this gen. 30fps is absolutely playable and even have its own benefits over 60fps. the best looking console games next gen are most likely going to be 30fps, allowing max detail and maximum polish. charizard1605

The ps3 and 360 can already do that its that console dev's choice not to to achieve a higher graphical fidelity with larger game world with more physics and things going on. The WiiU is powerful enough that it can run current gen console games that the ps3 and 360 can at 720p and 30fps at 1080p and 60fps without breaking a sweat and has room for even higher graphics quality essentially what my PC from 2009 can do. Once all the next-gen system come out developers will look to develop games builit for there hardware and aim for 720p at 30fps freeing up alot of extra room for better graphics.

to the people saying 30FPS and 60FPS are pretty much the same

http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html

well if the fps is at 60 it might give us some screen tearing when it goes over.

to the people saying 30FPS and 60FPS are pretty much the samearbitor365

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]If next gen is 30fps again, then I won't bother with any of the next gen consoles when they release and will stick to PC only.garland51

Not me. I'm not going to miss out on possibly great games that won't ever come out on PC.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="garland51"]

Not me. I'm not going to miss out on possibly great games that won't ever come out on PC.

sSubZerOo

There always is. Every platform has a game we wish we could all play..

Standard created by Microsoft and Sony? Not likely. Standard created by Devs? not likely. As games improve on graphics/ai/physics/effects/etc better hardware is required to run it. Consoles are a closed hardware. There's no point in limiting devs to what they want to do by imposing a 60fps standard. It's going to be a dev choice and most will probably run at 60fps at the launch of the new consoles and as the demand for more power grows when games improve it will shift back to 30fps that is unless the devs chooses to make it 60 fps by reducing some graphics/ai/physics/effects/etc.

i dont know what difference from naked eye between 30fps vs 60fps, my hope for next gen just, the games will have native 1080p thats all i need.

if that is the case, I will be pissed

arbitor365

I asked Iwata and he has confirmed that 60 frames per second will be standard in everygame even when you touch the tablet controller with multi touch use. Zelda may even be 120 frames per second if Reggie Fils Aime is heading the development project and he said Gannon will push the hardware because of armor geometry but has faith Nintendo will pull it off like they always do.

next gen is all about detail and devs and gonna want to push as many things on screen as possible. sure next gen consoles can easily do 1080p 60fps but it will still only look this gen. 30fps is absolutely playable and even have its own benefits over 60fps. the best looking console games next gen are most likely going to be 30fps, allowing max detail and maximum polish. killu-later

[QUOTE="killu-later"]next gen is all about detail and devs and gonna want to push as many things on screen as possible. sure next gen consoles can easily do 1080p 60fps but it will still only look this gen. 30fps is absolutely playable and even have its own benefits over 60fps. the best looking console games next gen are most likely going to be 30fps, allowing max detail and maximum polish. lhughey

What does fps have to do with the hardware? I have some 60fps sega saturn games...JigglyWiggly_

You know for two pc guys I'm suprised you two answered this way. Its like saying BF3 can be played at ultra PC specs and run at 60fps and 1080p on the current consoles. We know it can't because the hardware isn't capable of running it. At the end of next gens cycle its going to be the same as BF3 ultra to current gen comparison--it can't run it without sacrifices because of the aging hardware hence why BF3's console graphics are lowered and fps at 30 . I agree withlhughey.

If Devs can keep games at a rock solid 30 fps with no pop-in, no texture sacrificing, no screen tearing, atleast 4xAA, and little to no loading times.. I won't complain.

[QUOTE="killu-later"]next gen is all about detail and devs and gonna want to push as many things on screen as possible. sure next gen consoles can easily do 1080p 60fps but it will still only look this gen. 30fps is absolutely playable and even have its own benefits over 60fps. the best looking console games next gen are most likely going to be 30fps, allowing max detail and maximum polish. charizard1605

Your not thinking clearly.... sure it can do 1080p w/ 60 fps.... but thats with current gen software, thats developed to run on the 360 & PS3.... when software is developed for XBOX NEXT & PS4.... it'll be a different story.

I'd be happy with 30fps.... MS, Sony & Ninty should not allow a game to be released unless its runs at a min. of 30 fps.... imo.

I like Dark Souls alot.... but I'd like it a little more if the devs were a little more talented in terms of optimization... The game has Original XBOX level textures.... but still runs terrible on current gen systems..... Luckily good gameplay trumps all

[QUOTE="lhughey"][QUOTE="killu-later"] The hardware will be strong enough to support 60fps. cdragon_88

What does fps have to do with the hardware? I have some 60fps sega saturn games...JigglyWiggly_

You know for two pc guys I'm suprised you two answered this way. Its like saying BF3 can be played at ultra PC specs and run at 60fps and 1080p on the current consoles. We know it can't because the hardware isn't capable of running it. At the end of next gens cycle its going to be the same as BF3 ultra to current gen comparison--it can't run it without sacrifices because of the aging hardware hence why BF3's console graphics are lowered and fps at 30 . I agree withlhughey.

If you had a console 10x more powerful then developers would just make their games 10x more demanding and still run at 30fps. This is why the best looking console games today run at 30fps and the best last gen games ran at 30fps.

So no, better hardware doesn't mean better fps.

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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]And I will continue to play on my PC and not care. :PDragonfireXZ95

Thats what I was thinking but then I realized Im missing some GREAT games when ignoring consoles...

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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]And I will continue to play on my PC and not care. :PDragonfireXZ95

Thats what I was thinking but then I realized Im missing some GREAT games when ignoring consoles...

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]And I will continue to play on my PC and not care. :Pkillu-later

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]And I will continue to play on my PC and not care. :Pkillu-later

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[QUOTE="killu-later"] yay now the whole world knows that your PC can do 60fps, you are now officially popularkillu-later

The point of my statement is that many pc gamers are already gaming with 60fps. It will be embarrassing if next gen consoles run at 30fps.

PC is already next gen and its got great FPS, much higher then 30.

Graphics advance each gen but so does the performance also, its not just abotu raw power for grahics but also to make things run better. For example, TF2 on consoles = 30 FPS cap, on PC its like 120 FPS or even more.

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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Even with lock framerate off my framerates drops to 30, do you have to turn off vsync?i5750at4Ghz

I turn off vsync for most games.

[QUOTE="killu-later"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]And I will continue to play on my PC and not care. :PAustindro

Yeah if their cpu is a patato.

30fps is NOT enough, cant believe so many here think it is playable. Fast-paced games is a hell play with that low frame-rate, you really begging for eyestrain.

If 30fps is standard i wish it is an option for lower the detail for 60fps....oh wait...i can already do that on PC :lol:

next gen is all about detail and devs and gonna want to push as many things on screen as possible. sure next gen consoles can easily do 1080p 60fps but it will still only look this gen. 30fps is absolutely playable and even have its own benefits over 60fps. the best looking console games next gen are most likely going to be 30fps, allowing max detail and maximum polish. killu-later

I agree with you. Yes, the current consoles can handle 1080p 60fps, but that would sacrifice detail. What's important and what will be important next gen is how detailed the environments are and how you can interact with them. To be perfectly honest, I'd be shocked if 60fps was the standard. My only request is that frame rates never dip below that 30fps. Games do all the time this gen, like Crysis 2, but its not necessary.

Depends from what the devs will go for but yea, many games will probably sacrifice the framerate for more detail.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]And I will continue to play on my PC and not care. :Pkillu-later

just lol, fraps by default records at 30 fps which is movie standard and makes some games have lag spikes, normally games run at 60 fps.

[QUOTE="killu-later"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]And I will continue to play on my PC and not care. :PKrelian-co

just lol, fraps by default records at 30 fps which is movie standard and makes some games have lag spikes, normally games run at 60 fps.

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I turn off vsync for most games.

lightleggy