360 is almost tied with PC for full AAA titles (11 vs 12)

360 is almost tied with PC for full AAA titles (10 vs 11). Hermits want to count expansion packs but expansion packs are not full games. Plus they require the original title to be able to be played. Some of which were before thecurrent gen even started. Expansions should be a second sub category... example 10 AAA games and 3 AAA expansions. Same goes with VC, LIVE arcade, or map packs.

rexoverbey

Why are you only using recent PCAAA titles? You understand that the PC is fully backward compatible don't you?

I love when lemmings do that, they only count games released since the 360 launch... gaming did exist before that you know:)

really why does everyone care so much about scores here? stalker is better than most fps released this year yet only got a 8.5 becuase it had some bug when it was released which have now been patched. if you include r6v on x360 you really should include it on pc since it's the excat same game and gs even said it was slightly better on pc.

the company of heroes expantion is as much a full game as halo 3 so why don't you count expantions? becuase it makes x360 loss out?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Sorry dude, expansions count.rexoverbey

I wouldn't count it...they aren't full games and they are rated that way.

review = one persons opinion of the game. 1 person can love a game and another can competly hate it. you can't base how good a game is off one person's opinion.

[QUOTE="naval"]

so if something is good, and you add an expansion pack to continue the story it should not be counted ? the why are halo 3 or kotor 2 counted ?

rexoverbey

company of heroes opssing forces doesn't need the original game either yet you will call it an expantion when its as much a sequal as h3

Time to update your post due to the Crysis score is it not? lol I love it when haters get owned :D

I don't get it, the expansions that were released this year, just of the top of my head are

Galactic Civilizations II: Dark Avatar

World of WarCraft: The Burning Crusade

Civilizations 4: Beyond the Sword

Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts

Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance

Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer

Titan Quest: Immortal Throne

Guild Wars: Eye of the North

Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties

Can you point out what is wrong with these and how they provide just a few missions that are comparible to what you can purchase from Xbox Live?Also I don't understand why paying for maps that are available for free on the pc is an advantage too console AAA counts?

Now is there something wrong with these and the score they were given compared to how they would be rated as stand alone games? A lot of them proved just as much content as the original game, the only one doing less that I can think of is NW2:MotB, but at the same time it manages to be a better and more compact game. Also should games like CoD4 and GRAW2count towars scores at all? I mean how can a five hour long full priced games have less content than an expansions that sell for nearly half the price? The argument that they use the same engine is mute as many console game sequals use a modified version of the engine. I mean obviously Fallout 3 is not a full game because it runs of Gamebryo, neither are all the Unreal3 based games.

Then there are the great AA pc titles, how many games like Stalker, Supreme Commander, GRAW 2and Silent Hunter IV are there on a console? I find that the variety in the genres on the PC is far greater than that of a console. I mean other than one series is it possible to release a non adrogenous JRPG? It dosen't have to be all mucho, just a diffrent artstyle with less emo.

expansions do definitely count. some are bigger than the original game.CaseyWegner

And you had better add Crysis too TC

I guess the console guys can't handle some of our expansions containing more content than than the majority of their games. :?

It's not good to be bitter...

It's funny how the TC excludes expansions to make his argument stronger, despite logic and concensus on System Wars declaring they should count.

And yet, even when we play by his rules HE STILL LOSES! He's claiming it as some sort of victory the 360 almost has as many AAAs as the PC if we exclude what he wants.

It's funny how the TC excludes expansions to make his argument stronger, despite logic and concensus on System Wars declaring they should count.

And yet, even when we play by his rules HE STILL LOSES! He's claiming it as some sort of victory the 360 almost has as many AAAs as the PC if we exclude what he wants.

Danm_999

Not to mention excluding AAs ... the bread n butter for a system.

I guess the console guys can't handle some of our expansions containing more content than than the majority of their games. :?

It's not good to be bitter...

Ogre_Mage

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

It's funny how the TC excludes expansions to make his argument stronger, despite logic and concensus on System Wars declaring they should count.

And yet, even when we play by his rules HE STILL LOSES! He's claiming it as some sort of victory the 360 almost has as many AAAs as the PC if we exclude what he wants.

Meu2k7

Not to mention excluding AAs ... the bread n butter for a system.

Bitter bitter console fanboys.

2. If you consider one extra game kicking ass I feel sorry for PC gamers.rexoverbey

It's not one extra game though. It's an extra 4 AAA games (you exclude Crysis). It's an extra 40 AAE games! Why don't you include those numbers? Because they put your case beyond hopeless.

Well Assasins Creed and Mass Effect shouldlevelthat out even more.rexoverbey

No, if they both score AAA, they'll close the gap to only 2 AAA games. And they won't be exclusive, and Assassin's Creed will be on PC shortly (maybe Mass Effect too, Bioware has never made a game that didn't go to PC).

Heck if I had 1000s of no name 3rd party game developers I think I could pump out a few more AAAs.rexoverbey

....

But you don't.

Plus what uber AAA title on the PC right now?rexoverbey

Pick any 1 of the 14 from this generation alone.

BTW expansions have been regular on consoles since last gen try to keep up with the times (GRAW, Halo, Oblivion).rexoverbey

Three examples = regular? Superb hyperbole there. Doesn't hide the fact consoles have hideously underperformed in expanions. But hey, if your willing to concede that they should be included...

3. Content seems to be the word of the day in this thread. Yet alot of those expansions are nothing more than an added couple levels or maps. You act like every expansion is 200 hours of added gameplay and no need to buy further iterations. I don't care if you make a one level game 100 it is still adding to the original game. It's like buying a 1 page book and adding the rest of the pages later. It is still the same book and not counted as many.rexoverbey

So this tells me you haven't even picked up most of these games.

A 'couple levels or maps'? Try re-invented game mechanics, new gameplay features, new multiplayer modes, and yes, new levels and maps. There is a reason major review sites review expansions: they see them as different enough from content patches (what you seem to be confused with) to warrant judgement.

4. Enjoy all your "advantages" such as word processing. Also enjoy patches, turning off processes, blue screens, windows updates, freezing, viruses/trojans/spybots/worms/etc, file coruption, conflicts, OS hogs, compatiablity issues, upgrading, memory leaks, ............rexoverbey

Enjoy RROD, backwards compatibility issues, region locking, massive online lag, paying for peer to peer, etc etc

I mean shopping lists of everything that could go wrong on a system are not convincing.

Lastly they are marketed as expansions, they are reviewed as expansions, they are developed as expansions, and they are on shelves next to expansions. The only reason people want to count them is because they don't want conoles to be winning as bad. Sad, really.rexoverbey

Lol, even if we don't count them, consoles still aren't winning.

And the only reason you don't want to count them is because you don't want PCs to be winning as badly.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="rexoverbey"]

[quote="Gamespot"]Dark Avatar is technically a "mere" expansion to Galactic Civilizations II: Dread Lords, but the added features are so profound that it feels like a new and even better game.rexoverbey

Technically a mere expansion that right there shows it is NOT a full game. I don't care what it "feels" like, technically it is and should be coutned as an expansion only. With that itshould not count towards a AAA full game.

That's all I have to say.

how about you look at your own poll because polls rule all in System Wars. System Wars has spoken an expansion packs count...

LOL!

So why did you create the poll if you had so little faith in the voting system?

Or did a mysterious epiphany about the flaws of voting on GameSpot strike you AFTER you reviewed the results of your poll?

PC is losing it's 'grip' in SW, and you know it.

Uncle_Uzi

The only grip that counts on SW are exclusives. Which makes this whole thread preety pointless

The fact alone that lemmings are trying to change the rules with such determination (oh...we count multiplatforms..oh we count console exclusives, oh..we don't count add-ons...oh..and we don't count downloadable games)... the fact that lemmings are twisting so much proves how strong PC grip on SW is.

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"][QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="rexoverbey"]

[quote="Gamespot"]Dark Avatar is technically a "mere" expansion to Galactic Civilizations II: Dread Lords, but the added features are so profound that it feels like a new and even better game.Danm_999

Technically a mere expansion that right there shows it is NOT a full game. I don't care what it "feels" like, technically it is and should be coutned as an expansion only. With that itshould not count towards a AAA full game.

That's all I have to say.

how about you look at your own poll because polls rule all in System Wars. System Wars has spoken an expansion packs count...

LOL!

So why did you create the poll if you had so little faith in the voting system?

Or did a mysterious epiphany about the flaws of voting on GameSpot strike you AFTER you reviewed the results of your poll?

Someone going to lengths to turn the tide of a vote, by continuously re voting - hoping to put it in their favour :lol:

SW has hit a new low.

[QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]

PC is losing it's 'grip' in SW, and you know it.

AdrianWerner

The only grip that counts on SW are exclusives. Which makes this whole thread preety pointless

The fact alone that lemmings are trying to change the rules with such determination (oh...we count multiplatforms..oh we count console exclusives, oh..we don't count add-ons...oh..and we don't count downloadable games)... the fact that lemmings are twisting so much proves how strong PC grip on SW is.

The worst part is, they still trail in the counts after the imposition of all these rules! If your going to cook the books, at least keep going until it is in your favour.

This threads purpose is pathetic, as are the fanboys behind it.

Here are the results:

Total AAA (# exclusive)

• PC: 14 (6)
• Xbox 360: 10 (4)
• PS3: 4 (0)
• Wii: 3 (2)

Total AA (# exclusive)

• PC: 71 (48 )
• Xbox 360: 54 (8 )
• PS3: 28 (3)
• Wii: 13 (4)

Your thread fails, you lost the vote and its obvious your just a hater.

Oh and you still havn't added Crysis to the list or would that just be an expansion to FarCry in your opinion? lol

About add-ons. A lot of them are standalone. Stuff like CoH: Opossing Fronts of Dark Avatar are fullgrown sequels. If you don't count them as full games then you also shouldn't count annual sports games, majority of new fighters, majority of new racing sequels and also many other sequels (like God of War 2 or GRAW2), because they offer less new content (both graphicaly and gameplay-wise) than thise standalone add-ons

Really..Dark Avatar doesn't count as a new game, but new Guilty Gear game (with few rare tweaks and maybe one new character) does? Lol :D

Well herms keep up the damage control. Whatever you say, expansions or not, the 360 is damn close to being even with PC for AAA's. Uncle_Uzi

Maybe because, if you didn't count expansions, the two systems would have practically the same line up.

[QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]Well herms keep up the damage control. Whatever you say, expansions or not, the 360 is damn close to being even with PC for AAA's. x_boyfriend

Maybe because, if you didn't count expansions, the two systems would have practically the same line up.

I'm just amazed Hermits are in damage control when their ahead.

[QUOTE="x_boyfriend"]

[QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]Well herms keep up the damage control. Whatever you say, expansions or not, the 360 is damn close to being even with PC for AAA's. Danm_999

Maybe because, if you didn't count expansions, the two systems would have practically the same line up.

I'm just amazed Hermits are in damage control when their ahead.

It's always damage control when you're losing the argument...

Not that there should be an argument to begin with...expansions have always counted and always will.

[QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]Well herms keep up the damage control. Whatever you say, expansions or not, the 360 is damn close to being even with PC for AAA's. x_boyfriend

Maybe because, if you didn't count expansions, the two systems would have practically the same line up.

That will change next year.

There is allready a sticky to this.

360 has 54 AA quality games.8 of them are exclusive.

PC has 71 AA quality games. 48 of them are exclusive.

/thread

In response to Mortal Kombat avatar guy -

1. An expansions pack that merits a AAA ranking is not simply an extra map and a fex extra items, the discussion is about AAA games and expansions, now if an expansion pack got a AAA that means it had a crap load of content that was not included in the original, so yes it does count.

2. Arcade games do not count because they're the exact same games 10 years ago simply made playable on the 360. If you do believe in that though, then (sorry mods) we could say PS1, N64, Dreamcast games etc. also count as AAA games for the PC because we can emulate them, same as 360 emulating these games.

3. Assasins Creed is coming to the PC, and as for "uber-games"? well, UT3 (since you're counting games that go first) Crysis, UAW, WiC, COH OF, Witcher and others I can't think of right now, and the reason you don't hear of them (with the exception of Crysis) is because Hermits are different from you, and you don't go to the PC board and even if you do, you don't hear us saying "LAULZ L00k at t3H graphx OF T3h X Game ItS PwNZ!!!111!one"....or see us drinking crysis mountain dew.

4. For the Halo and HL2 thing... the only thing I can think of is "REVIEWER: FINALLY A DECENT XBOX GAME!! LET'S GIVE THEM A F****** AWARD CEREMONY AND MEDALS FOR MAKING THE XBOX WORTH IT!" "Reviewer 2: Oh finally HL2, ..really good hmm? well it can't get all the awards cause there are so many deserving PC games out now."

5. Oh s*** you're right. I should have traded in my PC cause the XBOX has so many different features and is so versatile. I mean I never get rings of death on my XBOX. Plus I can do my reasearch, my printed reports, my work, works of art, AND play games on my xbox. My point is everything has it's flaws and fortunately for PC gamers, the PROS are far greater than the CONS.

That's it for now.

And I agree that old PC games should not be included because the PC is much older and it's pretty much comparing the medals of a newborn baby to a guy who just finsihed college Suma-kum-laude.

As for Mass Effect. Bioware got it's name from PC games, and don't you forget it.

As for Mass Effect. Bioware got it's name from PC games, and don't you forget it.

pesoman

In response to Mortal Kombat avatar guy -

1. An expansions pack that merits a AAA ranking is not simply an extra map and a fex extra items, the discussion is about AAA games and expansions, now if an expansion pack got a AAA that means it had a crap load of content that was not included in the original, so yes it does count.

2. Arcade games do not count because they're the exact same games 10 years ago simply made playable on the 360. If you do believe in that though, then (sorry mods) we could say PS1, N64, Dreamcast games etc. also count as AAA games for the PC because we can emulate them, same as 360 emulating these games.

3. Assasins Creed is coming to the PC, and as for "uber-games"? well, UT3 (since you're counting games that go first) Crysis, UAW, WiC, COH OF, Witcher and others I can't think of right now, and the reason you don't hear of them (with the exception of Crysis) is because Hermits are different from you, and you don't go to the PC board and even if you do, you don't hear us saying "LAULZ L00k at t3H graphx OF T3h X Game ItS PwNZ!!!111!one"....or see us drinking crysis mountain dew.

4. For the Halo and HL2 thing... the only thing I can think of is "REVIEWER: FINALLY A DECENT XBOX GAME!! LET'S GIVE THEM A F****** AWARD CEREMONY AND MEDALS FOR MAKING THE XBOX WORTH IT!" "Reviewer 2: Oh finally HL2, ..really good hmm? well it can't get all the awards cause there are so many deserving PC games out now."

5. Oh s*** you're right. I should have traded in my PC cause the XBOX has so many different features and is so versatile. I mean I never get rings of death on my XBOX. Plus I can do my reasearch, my printed reports, my work, works of art, AND play games on my xbox. My point is everything has it's flaws and fortunately for PC gamers, the PROS are far greater than the CONS.

That's it for now.

And I agree that old PC games should not be included because the PC is much older and it's pretty much comparing the medals of a newborn baby to a guy who just finsihed college Suma-kum-laude.

As for Mass Effect. Bioware got it's name from PC games, and don't you forget it.

pesoman

definitely true with the first 2, expansions should definetly count because it is totally new content, unlike a map pack or patch there loads more content and basically another game really.
yoyo462001

It sounds like the TC either doesn't know the difference between expansion packs and content patches or they don't care to recognise their is a difference because it weakens their argument.

Warhammer 40k: Dark Crusade, was much longer and had a bigger replay value as for example the first WH40k: Dawn of War and WH40k: Winter Assault together, yet WH40k: Dark Crusade is a standalone expansion. If I just install Dark Crusade I have way more gameplay as when I install the other two games.

The only difference is, whithout Dawn of War and Winter Assault, I'm not able to play online with Space Marines, Eldar, Imperial Guard, Chaos and Orcs. But I can still play single player and skirmish with those races + Tau and Necrons. Imho, all in all Dark Crusade has a much bigger value as the origina 2 games, so in my book it's more of a sequel as an expansion.

And the same could be said for a lot of PC game expansions.

The reason 360 is close to the PC in AAA games is because 360 is a entry level PC with a gamepad instead of the keyboard and mouse.

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"]

2. If you consider one extra game kicking ass I feel sorry for PC gamers.Danm_999

It's not one extra game though. It's an extra 4 AAA games (you exclude Crysis). It's an extra 40 AAE games! Why don't you include those numbers? Because they put your case beyond hopeless.

It's two AAAs and alot of the AAs are no name games (or more expansions)that didn't sell and most PC users don't even know about. That or half beinga barage of RTS titles that haven't been played in months by any hermit.Two AAAs which will bezero inonce the Mass Effect/Assasin's Creed review goes up in the nextcouple ofdays.

Well Assasins Creed and Mass Effect shouldlevelthat out even more.rexoverbey

No, if they both score AAA, they'll close the gap to only 2 AAA games. And they won't be exclusive, and Assassin's Creed will be on PC shortly (maybe Mass Effect too, Bioware has never made a game that didn't go to PC).

It will not close the gap if will tie it. You are still counting your ridiculous expansions which are even packaged as single entities multiple times over. I don't care if it EVENTUALLY comes or not there are AAA titles on the PC which are coming to 360 within a month or two.

Heck if I had 1000s of no name 3rd party game developers I think I could pump out a few more AAAs.rexoverbey

....

But you don't.

I would rather not have shovelware no name 3rd party games. You can keep em. Yet all of you hermits want the big budget games that come from consoles.

Plus what uber AAA title on the PC right now?rexoverbey

Pick any 1 of the 14 from this generation alone.

GTR2 kicks ass title there, or man World Soccer 9, whew so many!Or the overated Wic which isn't even AAA at gamerankings.

BTW expansions have been regular on consoles since last gen try to keep up with the times (GRAW, Halo, Oblivion).rexoverbey

Three examples = regular? Superb hyperbole there. Doesn't hide the fact consoles have hideously underperformed in expanions. But hey, if your willing to concede that they should be included...

Funny how you left out the rest of the quote. On top of that I could of added games like Phantasy Star, FEAR, SIMs, or upcoming games like GTAIV.

3. Content seems to be the word of the day in this thread. Yet alot of those expansions are nothing more than an added couple levels or maps. You act like every expansion is 200 hours of added gameplay and no need to buy further iterations. I don't care if you make a one level game 100 it is still adding to the original game. It's like buying a 1 page book and adding the rest of the pages later. It is still the same book and not counted as many.rexoverbey

So this tells me you haven't even picked up most of these games.

A 'couple levels or maps'? Try re-invented game mechanics, new gameplay features, new multiplayer modes, and yes, new levels and maps. There is a reason major review sites review expansions: they see them as different enough from content patches (what you seem to be confused with) to warrant judgement.

They aren't full games no matter how you spin it you hermits can cry all you want.

4. Enjoy all your "advantages" such as word processing. Also enjoy patches, turning off processes, blue screens, windows updates, freezing, viruses/trojans/spybots/worms/etc, file coruption, conflicts, OS hogs, compatiablity issues, upgrading, memory leaks, ............rexoverbey

Enjoy RROD, backwards compatibility issues, region locking, massive online lag, paying for peer to peer, etc etc

I mean shopping lists of everything that could go wrong on a system are not convincing.

Could go wrong? Do you own a PC because if you are saying Windows doesn't need to be tweaked, pathched, doesn't freeze, doesn't have OS hogs, memory leaks, etc you are full of crap.

Lastly they are marketed as expansions, they are reviewed as expansions, they are developed as expansions, and they are on shelves next to expansions. The only reason people want to count them is because they don't want conoles to be winning as bad. Sad, really.rexoverbey

Lol, even if we don't count them, consoles still aren't winning.

Consdiering they sell ten times as much software we are winning and PC gaming is dead. Enjoy your two AAA lead because it won't last for long ;)

And the only reason you don't want to count them is because you don't want PCs to be winning as badly.

Well AC scored AAA here so it is getting close.

I'm very happy to own a 360 and PC! :)

Well AC scored AAA here so it is getting close.

I'm very happy to own a 360 and PC! :)

blue_hazy_basic

ac didnt score aaa did it? i thought the review hasnt come out yet.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="wklzip"][QUOTE="rexoverbey"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

They count.

Then why do you think that people review them?

rexoverbey

Ah so because the review is "short" it doesnt count?

Hes wrong anyway, they are under the same categories as all PC games, in thier normal genres.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

Well AC scored AAA here so it is getting close.

I'm very happy to own a 360 and PC! :)

p2rus

ac didnt score aaa did it? i thought the review hasnt come out yet.

yup just up, scored 9.0 on 360 & PS3

wow, the ownage against the TC is strong in this thread. The PC has more AAA, AA, A titles than consoles, end of story.lettuceman44

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]wow, the ownage against the TC is strong in this thread. The PC has more AAA, AA, A titles than consoles, end of story.rexoverbey

Warhammer 40k: Dark Crusade, was much longer and had a bigger replay value as for example the first WH40k: Dawn of War and WH40k: Winter Assault together, yet WH40k: Dark Crusade is a standalone expansion. If I just install Dark Crusade I have way more gameplay as when I install the other two games.

The only difference is, whithout Dawn of War and Winter Assault, I'm not able to play online with Space Marines, Eldar, Imperial Guard, Chaos and Orcs. But I can still play single player and skirmish with those races + Tau and Necrons. Imho, all in all Dark Crusade has a much bigger value as the origina 2 games, so in my book it's more of a sequel as an expansion.

And the same could be said for a lot of PC game expansions.

F-Minus

They just don't understand how expansions work. They rarely ever get them on consoles. They think every expanion is like the Shivering Isles for Oblivion, when they're often bigger than the original game.

The Dark Crusade example is a great one. Just think of the term "standalone expansion". The fact that some expansions on the PC can stand alone in the first place should be more than enough evidence that expansions often hold considerable content.

Well AC scored AAA here so it is getting close.

I'm very happy to own a 360 and PC! :)

blue_hazy_basic

Crysis scored well, and AC is coming in Q1 for PC. What's close?

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]wow, the ownage against the TC is strong in this thread. The PC has more AAA, AA, A titles than consoles, end of story.rexoverbey

It's sad, that people speak of something they really don't have any clue about. The world would be so much smarter if they would just be quiet when they try to pretend to be smart. BTW this just serves as an example, there's a lot more of such expansion which in reality are just standalone games that continue previous games, they can be called expansions, but some of them offer as mentioned before way more content, overhauled engine, and sometimes a whole new experience.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]wow, the ownage against the TC is strong in this thread. The PC has more AAA, AA, A titles than consoles, end of story.rexoverbey

Expansions count....sorry. They have more content than most console "full" games.........

Also, why don't you list all the AA and AAE's? I know! Because the PC has more AAE's than all next-gen consoles combined!!!