360 is an affordable PC

[QUOTE="Medjai"]I don't care what anyone says here you would be hard pressed to build a gaming rig (strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) for $400 or less that can out preform the 360projectpat2007

"(strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality)  "

You just described a console.

If you are willing to pay more for the initial price and over time, pay less..and have the ability to web surf and do other PC functions, get a PC. 

Dude basically everyone hear owns a PC regardless if they play games on it or not. Some people play other genres other than FPS and RTS which is most popular on the PC. When was the last time a Baseball, Boxing or Fighting game released on the PC?

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Uh I can make a PC that's more powerful than the Xbox with less cash involved.NobuoMusicMaker

Sure you can. My PC couldn't run Dirt properly and it cost a lot more than an Xbox. The E6600 processor is almost the price of the Xbox core.

I'm sorry you don't know how to put together a PC or get deals on components.

Lmao. Show me the lowest price you can find the E6600 or the Q6600 if you want better performance? I got my E6600 from Newegg on January 29th and the price was $316 but now it's $223. You basically always get screwed with these price drops.

Umm the 360 isn't THAT powerful. An oced E6400 is good enough to outperform it.  I made my friend a PC with an E6400 ($190 CAD) + 8800GTS ($290 CAD) and then reusing some old parts like case, optical drive, kb+m.  Even got a cheap 2gb OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 for a mere 30 bucks.  So I pretty much made a PC that can outperform a 360 by a lot since 2gb RAM and 8800 GTS pretty much blows it out of specsland.

I can't really show you the deals because they are weekly sale items on NCIX, a local retail store.  I just jump on the gun when something is worth the money.  A bit of Ebay if there's something I can snipe.

So your friend's PC is more powerful, but how is that less cash involved?  With the price of the CPU and video card you're alraedy looking at Xbox 360 Premium + Call of Duty 3 or Forza 2 (if you buy at Future Shop), and you didn't even mention motherboard or power supply.

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoWNeal_Gore

I bought WoW for my 55 year old dad.  He definitely likes it.  I would play it if I were his age too.  My mom actually looks up information on the internets to help him play on the computer next to him.  I can't decide if it's cute or gag-worthy.  Either way, it's hilarious.

[QUOTE="Medjai"]I don't care what anyone says here you would be hard pressed to build a gaming rig (strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) for $400 or less that can out preform the 360projectpat2007

"(strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality)  "

You just described a console.

If you are willing to pay more for the initial price and over time, pay less..and have the ability to web surf and do other PC functions, get a PC. 

not I described a gaming rig because its a given that you can do more varied things on a pc...I am talking performance of running a game...

[QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

[QUOTE="Medjai"]I don't care what anyone says here you would be hard pressed to build a gaming rig (strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) for $400 or less that can out preform the 360Deihmos

"(strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) "

You just described a console.

If you are willing to pay more for the initial price and over time, pay less..and have the ability to web surf and do other PC functions, get a PC.

Dude basically everyone hear owns a PC regardless if they play games on it or not. Some people play other genres other than FPS and RTS which is most popular on the PC. When was the last time a Baseball, Boxing or Fighting game released on the PC?

[QUOTE="gingerdivid"]The funny thing is, they are only expansions but yet they still have more replayablility than Gears of War. -The-G-Man-

Not to mention that the third AAA, Command and Conquer 3, is better on PC. It doesn't count because it's multiplat.

And Gears is still a good game; I've played the single player many times and the multiplayer is very addictive.

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

Neal_Gore

Typical response.  Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system.  I swear, you people need to be more original.

[QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

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ABIT IB9 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - $69.99*
Leadtek PX8800 GTS TDH 320MB Extreme GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - $259.99*
Antec NeoHE 500W Power Supply - $39.99*
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4300 1.8GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM - $104.00 (ResellerRatings)
ASUS Silent Square 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - $13.99
PNY 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $49.99*

SAMSUNG Black 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology - $20.99
Maxtor DiamondMax 21 STM3320820AS 320GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $69.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium - $64.99
Ideazon MERC Gaming Keyboard - $17.90 (ResellerRatings)
Logitech G5 Laser Mouse PC Gaming w/ Adjustable Weights - $39.20*


Total Price: $732.02

• Chenming AE-601 full tower case (Chenming AE-601 Review)
• 965P IB9 motherboard (abit IB9 Review)
• NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS (The GeForce 8800 GTS with 320 MB memory)
• 500W power supply with +12V rails combined @ 38A (eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite v2.5)
  • ||More
• OC friendly E4300 processor (Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable)
• ASUS Silent Square CPU cooler (ASUS Silent Square CPU Cooler: New Candidate for Super Cooler Title?)
• 2GB PC2 5300 memory (Intel Core 2: Is high speed memory worth its price?)
• DVD burner
• 320GB SATA II hard drive (Benchmark Results of 17 Hard Drives)
• Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (Vista Upgrade Limitations Workaround)
• Ideazon MERC keyboard (ZBoard MERC Gaming Keyboard Review)
• Logitech G5 mouse (Logitech G5 Laser Mouse Review)

Innovazero2000

PC ($732.02) + 25 games ($50 each)= $1982.02

Xbox 360 ($400) + 25 games ($60 each) + Xbox Live for 4 years ($50 each year) =2100

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

CHENMING CMUI-601AEB-W Black 1.0mm SECC Server Computer Case - $50.99
ABIT IB9 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - $69.99*
Leadtek PX8800 GTS TDH 320MB Extreme GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - $259.99*
Antec NeoHE 500W Power Supply - $39.99*
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4300 1.8GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM - $104.00 (ResellerRatings)
ASUS Silent Square 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - $13.99
PNY 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $49.99*

SAMSUNG Black 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology - $20.99
Maxtor DiamondMax 21 STM3320820AS 320GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $69.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium - $64.99
Ideazon MERC Gaming Keyboard - $17.90 (ResellerRatings)
Logitech G5 Laser Mouse PC Gaming w/ Adjustable Weights - $39.20*


Total Price: $732.02

• Chenming AE-601 full tower case (Chenming AE-601 Review)
• 965P IB9 motherboard (abit IB9 Review)
• NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS (The GeForce 8800 GTS with 320 MB memory)
• 500W power supply with +12V rails combined @ 38A (eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite v2.5)
  • ||More
• OC friendly E4300 processor (Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable)
• ASUS Silent Square CPU cooler (ASUS Silent Square CPU Cooler: New Candidate for Super Cooler Title?)
• 2GB PC2 5300 memory (Intel Core 2: Is high speed memory worth its price?)
• DVD burner
• 320GB SATA II hard drive (Benchmark Results of 17 Hard Drives)
• Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (Vista Upgrade Limitations Workaround)
• Ideazon MERC keyboard (ZBoard MERC Gaming Keyboard Review)
• Logitech G5 mouse (Logitech G5 Laser Mouse Review)

projectpat2007

PC ($732.02) + 25 games ($50 each)= $1982.02

Xbox 360 ($400) + 25 games ($60 each) + Xbox Live for 4 years ($50 each year) =2100

A car 30,000 dollars then after you drive it off the lot and a year later it's only worth 15,000

A home in a nice neighborhood 250,000, a family moves in that makes the current residence move elsewhere, the house is then worth 200,000 or less

Doing over time price comparisons is stupid

Why?

If you actually believe a comparison of initial price is a smarter idea...you need to check your head, really.

Your probably saying that because the 360, out of all the console, cost the most after the initial price...

If noticed thoug, half those components are deals...that is $1000 PC without the deals. A person could go find a used 360 if looked carefully enogh for $200-250. And what if they don't play a lot of online, just the games? That also knocks out money...

I build computers, I grew up with them all my life. The fact is...not every single computer user looks for deals, or builds computers...infact 80% or more don't. While the 360 will also have a static price.

Face it, it's a known fact that consoles are a much better value. You spend money, and they last for 5-10 years...PC's your upgrading every year if you wanna keep up. In the long run, you spend way more on computers, you should know better then that.

Yes, PC's are technologically better, but at the same time because of consoles optimization's they keep up better. Nobody here can argue that vs past generations...they consoles are keeping up better with PC's. They won't out do em no...but they are bluring the lines.

PC's just have to many varibles, but they have to. Just enjoy the ****ing games, that goes for everyone. I can't believe how whiney everyone can be. The fact is they all have good graphics. It's like comparing Lamborgini or Ferrari, or Porsche...pick your poison.

People still, forget where talking about PC.

A PC does a mullion others things, and you can't live in this world with out them.

So, would it be cheaper to buy a 360, and then buy a whole other PC...No.

It's much cheaper to make your PC, your gaming system.

Where can you find a 360, not used, for $200-$250, you can't.

Even if I redid, the comparison with the 360 at that price, it would be roughly the same, in which the PC is still a more viable solution, because it can do so much more.

And, you get to play the most AAA, AA, A...on the PC. 

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

[QUOTE="gingerdivid"]The funny thing is, they are only expansions but yet they still have more replayablility than Gears of War. gingerdivid

Not to mention that the third AAA, Command and Conquer 3, is better on PC. It doesn't count because it's multiplat.

And Gears is still a good game; I've played the single player many times and the multiplayer is very addictive.

The chainsaw is rather easy to avoid; pop a few bullets into the guy with the revved up chainsaw and he has to rev it up again.  The only time the chainsaw is really good to use in multiplayer is if you come up on a guy from around a corner while he isn't expecting it.

[QUOTE="gingerdivid"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

You are obviously using the term "PC" loosely as PC's can almost do anything nowadays, if this was the case, every office block would be riddled with 360's.

In terms of games, the PC has more AAA, AA and A titles to an overwhelming degree, such a foolish title for a thread.

Neal_Gore

Duh, the PC has been out for a long time. The 360 has been out over a year. This year you'll see more AAA titles on the 360 than on the PC.

Your special

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

[QUOTE="Medjai"]I don't care what anyone says here you would be hard pressed to build a gaming rig (strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) for $400 or less that can out preform the 360smokeydabear076

"(strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) "

You just described a console.

If you are willing to pay more for the initial price and over time, pay less..and have the ability to web surf and do other PC functions, get a PC.

Dude basically everyone hear owns a PC regardless if they play games on it or not. Some people play other genres other than FPS and RTS which is most popular on the PC. When was the last time a Baseball, Boxing or Fighting game released on the PC?

Nah the last Baseball game on PC was 2001 I think and I don't know of any Boxing games. Fighting games are basically  not existant.

People still, forget where talking about PC.

A PC does a mullion others things, and you can't live in this world with out them.

So, would it be cheaper to buy a 360, and then buy a whole other PC...No.

It's much cheaper to make your PC, your gaming system.

Where can you find a 360, not used, for $200-$250, you can't.

Even if I redid, the comparison with the 360 at that price, it would be roughly the same, in which the PC is still a more viable solution, because it can do so much more.

And, you get to play the most AAA, AA, A...on the PC. 

projectpat2007

Like i said people play other game types other than FPS and RTS which are the most popular games on PC. The PC also get a ton of games released every day but 99.9% of them are pure junk.

[QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

Deihmos

Like i said people play other game types other than FPS and RTS which are the most popular games on PC. The PC also get a ton of games released every day but 99.9% of them are pure junk.

Does that change the fact, that the PC still gets the most AAA, AA, A evey year...So, far it looking all the same.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

[QUOTE="Medjai"]I don't care what anyone says here you would be hard pressed to build a gaming rig (strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) for $400 or less that can out preform the 360Deihmos

"(strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) "

You just described a console.

If you are willing to pay more for the initial price and over time, pay less..and have the ability to web surf and do other PC functions, get a PC.

Dude basically everyone hear owns a PC regardless if they play games on it or not. Some people play other genres other than FPS and RTS which is most popular on the PC. When was the last time a Baseball, Boxing or Fighting game released on the PC?

Nah the last Baseball game on PC was 2001 I think and I don't know of any Boxing games. Fighting games are basically not existant.

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

CHENMING CMUI-601AEB-W Black 1.0mm SECC Server Computer Case - $50.99
ABIT IB9 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - $69.99*
Leadtek PX8800 GTS TDH 320MB Extreme GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - $259.99*
Antec NeoHE 500W Power Supply - $39.99*
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4300 1.8GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM - $104.00 (ResellerRatings)
ASUS Silent Square 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - $13.99
PNY 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $49.99*

SAMSUNG Black 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology - $20.99
Maxtor DiamondMax 21 STM3320820AS 320GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $69.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium - $64.99
Ideazon MERC Gaming Keyboard - $17.90 (ResellerRatings)
Logitech G5 Laser Mouse PC Gaming w/ Adjustable Weights - $39.20*


Total Price: $732.02

• Chenming AE-601 full tower case (Chenming AE-601 Review)
• 965P IB9 motherboard (abit IB9 Review)
• NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS (The GeForce 8800 GTS with 320 MB memory)
• 500W power supply with +12V rails combined @ 38A (eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite v2.5)
  • ||More
• OC friendly E4300 processor (Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable)
• ASUS Silent Square CPU cooler (ASUS Silent Square CPU Cooler: New Candidate for Super Cooler Title?)
• 2GB PC2 5300 memory (Intel Core 2: Is high speed memory worth its price?)
• DVD burner
• 320GB SATA II hard drive (Benchmark Results of 17 Hard Drives)
• Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (Vista Upgrade Limitations Workaround)
• Ideazon MERC keyboard (ZBoard MERC Gaming Keyboard Review)
• Logitech G5 mouse (Logitech G5 Laser Mouse Review)

projectpat2007

PC ($732.02) + 25 games ($50 each)= $1982.02

Xbox 360 ($400) + 25 games ($60 each) + Xbox Live for 4 years ($50 each year) =2100

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

CHENMING CMUI-601AEB-W Black 1.0mm SECC Server Computer Case - $50.99
ABIT IB9 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - $69.99*
Leadtek PX8800 GTS TDH 320MB Extreme GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - $259.99*
Antec NeoHE 500W Power Supply - $39.99*
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4300 1.8GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM - $104.00 (ResellerRatings)
ASUS Silent Square 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - $13.99
PNY 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $49.99*

SAMSUNG Black 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology - $20.99
Maxtor DiamondMax 21 STM3320820AS 320GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $69.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium - $64.99
Ideazon MERC Gaming Keyboard - $17.90 (ResellerRatings)
Logitech G5 Laser Mouse PC Gaming w/ Adjustable Weights - $39.20*


Total Price: $732.02

• Chenming AE-601 full tower case (Chenming AE-601 Review)
• 965P IB9 motherboard (abit IB9 Review)
• NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS (The GeForce 8800 GTS with 320 MB memory)
• 500W power supply with +12V rails combined @ 38A (eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite v2.5)
  • ||More
• OC friendly E4300 processor (Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable)
• ASUS Silent Square CPU cooler (ASUS Silent Square CPU Cooler: New Candidate for Super Cooler Title?)
• 2GB PC2 5300 memory (Intel Core 2: Is high speed memory worth its price?)
• DVD burner
• 320GB SATA II hard drive (Benchmark Results of 17 Hard Drives)
• Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (Vista Upgrade Limitations Workaround)
• Ideazon MERC keyboard (ZBoard MERC Gaming Keyboard Review)
• Logitech G5 mouse (Logitech G5 Laser Mouse Review)

projectpat2007

PC ($732.02) + 25 games ($50 each)= $1982.02

Xbox 360 ($400) + 25 games ($60 each) + Xbox Live for 4 years ($50 each year) =2100

A car 30,000 dollars then after you drive it off the lot and a year later it's only worth 15,000

A home in a nice neighborhood 250,000, a family moves in that makes the current residence move elsewhere, the house is then worth 200,000 or less

Doing over time price comparisons is stupid

Why?

If you actually believe a comparison of initial price is a smarter idea...you need to check your head, really.

Your probably saying that because the 360, out of all the console, cost the most after the initial price...

If noticed thoug, half those components are deals...that is $1000 PC without the deals. A person could go find a used 360 if looked carefully enogh for $200-250. And what if they don't play a lot of online, just the games? That also knocks out money...

I build computers, I grew up with them all my life. The fact is...not every single computer user looks for deals, or builds computers...infact 80% or more don't. While the 360 will also have a static price.

Face it, it's a known fact that consoles are a much better value. You spend money, and they last for 5-10 years...PC's your upgrading every year if you wanna keep up. In the long run, you spend way more on computers, you should know better then that.

Yes, PC's are technologically better, but at the same time because of consoles optimization's they keep up better. Nobody here can argue that vs past generations...they consoles are keeping up better with PC's. They won't out do em no...but they are bluring the lines.

PC's just have to many varibles, but they have to. Just enjoy the ****ing games, that goes for everyone. I can't believe how whiney everyone can be. The fact is they all have good graphics. It's like comparing Lamborgini or Ferrari, or Porsche...pick your poison.

People still, forget where talking about PC.

A PC does a mullion others things, and you can't live in this world with out them.

So, would it be cheaper to buy a 360, and then buy a whole other PC...No.

It's much cheaper to make your PC, your gaming system.

Where can you find a 360, not used, for $200-$250, you can't.

Even if I redid, the comparison with the 360 at that price, it would be roughly the same, in which the PC is still a more viable solution, because it can do so much more.

And, you get to play the most AAA, AA, A...on the PC.

Ok point in case, but if we are talking just strickly gaming machine though...my point stands.

As far as the games though, there may be people that don't like PC game, or may not have appeal. Sometimes people like the plug n play of consoles.

Like I said, it's a pick your poison kind of position. It depends on a multitude of things...one with a list that would be to great to put in detail.

In all things given, consoles over 5-10 year period in which they are built for are a greater value "in gaming" terms. We could assume the person could have a older PC for internet/work use. But then again...there are too many differences to list...

not to be a jerk projectpat2007 but if I need to flick my scroll wheel more than 4 times you need to edit down your post :)Medjai

I fixed it. 

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

projectpat2007

Like i said people play other game types other than FPS and RTS which are the most popular games on PC. The PC also get a ton of games released every day but 99.9% of them are pure junk.

Does that change the fact, that the PC still gets the most AAA, AA, A evey year...So, far it looking all the same.

There is just one PC while consoles get upgraded every 4 or so years. I don't see why people compare the two but people still do it. I am sure morst of the so called AAA titles are mostly RTS and FPS games.

this baseball game came out just a few months ago.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sports/baseballmogul2008/index.html 

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

-The-G-Man-

Typical response.  Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system.  I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

[QUOTE="Medjai"]I don't care what anyone says here you would be hard pressed to build a gaming rig (strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) for $400 or less that can out preform the 360smokeydabear076

"(strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) "

You just described a console.

If you are willing to pay more for the initial price and over time, pay less..and have the ability to web surf and do other PC functions, get a PC.

Dude basically everyone hear owns a PC regardless if they play games on it or not. Some people play other genres other than FPS and RTS which is most popular on the PC. When was the last time a Baseball, Boxing or Fighting game released on the PC?

Nah the last Baseball game on PC was 2001 I think and I don't know of any Boxing games. Fighting games are basically not existant.

Sorry I was not referring to Nintendo like Baseball games. I cannot believe you recommended a game with 3.0 ratings.

[QUOTE="Medjai"]not to be a jerk projectpat2007 but if I need to flick my scroll wheel more than 4 times you need to edit down your post :)projectpat2007

I fixed it. 

thx man :) ...I am not trying to be a mod but when it get crazy its just hard to read the posts

Innovazero2000 if you could do it too that would be sweet...

[QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

Deihmos

Like i said people play other game types other than FPS and RTS which are the most popular games on PC. The PC also get a ton of games released every day but 99.9% of them are pure junk.

Does that change the fact, that the PC still gets the most AAA, AA, A evey year...So, far it looking all the same.

There is just one PC while consoles get upgraded every 4 or so years. I don't see why people compare the two but people still do it. I am sure morst of the so called AAA titles are mostly RTS and FPS games.

[QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]

Innovazero2000

People still, forget where talking about PC.

A PC does a mullion others things, and you can't live in this world with out them.

So, would it be cheaper to buy a 360, and then buy a whole other PC...No.

It's much cheaper to make your PC, your gaming system.

Where can you find a 360, not used, for $200-$250, you can't.

Even if I redid, the comparison with the 360 at that price, it would be roughly the same, in which the PC is still a more viable solution, because it can do so much more.

And, you get to play the most AAA, AA, A...on the PC.

Ok point in case, but if we are talking just strickly gaming machine though...my point stands.

As far as the games though, there may be people that don't like PC game, or may not have appeal. Sometimes people like the plug n play of consoles.

Like I said, it's a pick your poison kind of position. It depends on a multitude of things...one with a list that would be to great to put in detail.

In all things given, consoles over 5-10 year period in which they are built for are a greater value "in gaming" terms. We could assume the person could have a older PC for internet/work use. But then again...there are too many differences to list...

If we, talk strictly as a gaming machine, the PC still gets the most high quality games....

As far as games go, it's totally a preference thing. Some people like Console offer, some like what the PC offers.

Most of the 360 titles are on the PC, anyways.

Console don't last 5-10 years, either.

Also, the PC I proposed, had a 8800gts as the gpu, which even 10 years from no, will be producing much better graphics than the 360.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

[QUOTE="Medjai"]I don't care what anyone says here you would be hard pressed to build a gaming rig (strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) for $400 or less that can out preform the 360Deihmos

"(strictly gaming not talking web surfing or anyother pc functionality) "

You just described a console.

If you are willing to pay more for the initial price and over time, pay less..and have the ability to web surf and do other PC functions, get a PC.

Dude basically everyone hear owns a PC regardless if they play games on it or not. Some people play other genres other than FPS and RTS which is most popular on the PC. When was the last time a Baseball, Boxing or Fighting game released on the PC?

Nah the last Baseball game on PC was 2001 I think and I don't know of any Boxing games. Fighting games are basically not existant.

Sorry I was not referring to Nintendo like Baseball games.

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

smokeydabear076

Like i said people play other game types other than FPS and RTS which are the most popular games on PC. The PC also get a ton of games released every day but 99.9% of them are pure junk.

Does that change the fact, that the PC still gets the most AAA, AA, A evey year...So, far it looking all the same.

There is just one PC while consoles get upgraded every 4 or so years. I don't see why people compare the two but people still do it. I am sure morst of the so called AAA titles are mostly RTS and FPS games.

The PC is not a console and should never be considered a console. They are not designed specifically for gaming while consoles are. WHen a console can be upgraded then people can compare the two.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

Deihmos

Like i said people play other game types other than FPS and RTS which are the most popular games on PC. The PC also get a ton of games released every day but 99.9% of them are pure junk.

Does that change the fact, that the PC still gets the most AAA, AA, A evey year...So, far it looking all the same.

There is just one PC while consoles get upgraded every 4 or so years. I don't see why people compare the two but people still do it. I am sure morst of the so called AAA titles are mostly RTS and FPS games.

The PC is not a console and should never be considered a console. They are not designed specifically for gaming while consoles are. WHen a console can be upgraded then people can compare the two.

The PC is ment to do everything :) 

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

Neal_Gore

Typical response. Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system. I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

I have a 360 and love the system, but for the TC to say it is an affordable PC... WHAT? 

Why did I click on this thread...

 -1 Intelligence.

buuzer0

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

smokeydabear076

Typical response. Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system. I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

Never even touched one, and never will... 

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

projectpat2007

Like i said people play other game types other than FPS and RTS which are the most popular games on PC. The PC also get a ton of games released every day but 99.9% of them are pure junk.

Does that change the fact, that the PC still gets the most AAA, AA, A evey year...So, far it looking all the same.

There is just one PC while consoles get upgraded every 4 or so years. I don't see why people compare the two but people still do it. I am sure morst of the so called AAA titles are mostly RTS and FPS games.

The PC is not a console and should never be considered a console. They are not designed specifically for gaming while consoles are. WHen a console can be upgraded then people can compare the two.

The PC is ment to do everything :) 

You do know everyone regardless if they play games on it or not owns a PC right?

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]

Deihmos

Like i said people play other game types other than FPS and RTS which are the most popular games on PC. The PC also get a ton of games released every day but 99.9% of them are pure junk.

Does that change the fact, that the PC still gets the most AAA, AA, A evey year...So, far it looking all the same.

There is just one PC while consoles get upgraded every 4 or so years. I don't see why people compare the two but people still do it. I am sure morst of the so called AAA titles are mostly RTS and FPS games.

The PC is not a console and should never be considered a console. They are not designed specifically for gaming while consoles are. WHen a console can be upgraded then people can compare the two.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

Neal_Gore

Typical response.  Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system.  I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

Those are for MMOs.  Most online multiplayer games are free to play online multiplayer, unlike Xbox Live.

And even the 360 has an MMO which you have to pay for.

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

smokeydabear076

Typical response. Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system. I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

Not really since the some of the people that play WoW are the same people that talk smack about XBL being 50 bucks a year

And since you label lemmings as the same then you hermits must all be the same too

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

Neal_Gore

Typical response. Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system. I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

Not really since the some of the people that play WoW are the same people that talk smack about XBL being 50 bucks a year

And since you label lemmings as the same then you hermits must all be the same too

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

-The-G-Man-

Typical response.  Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system.  I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

Those are for MMOs.  Most online multiplayer games are free to play online multiplayer, unlike Xbox Live.

And even the 360 has an MMO which you have to pay for.

I must have missed out on that 360 game, which one would that be and for how much?

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

smokeydabear076

Typical response. Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system. I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

Not really since the some of the people that play WoW are the same people that talk smack about XBL being 50 bucks a year

And since you label lemmings as the same then you hermits must all be the same too

Check and Mate/ 

Not really since the some of the people that play WoW are the same people that talk smack about XBL being 50 bucks a year

And since you label lemmings as the same then you hermits must all be the same too

Neal_Gore

And how do you know this?

Xbox Live is not optional if you want to play games online.  MMOs are optional.  The 360 has an MMO as well.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

Neal_Gore

Typical response.  Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system.  I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

I must have missed out on that 360 game, which one would that be and for how much?Neal_Gore

Final Fantasy XI.

Are you trying to cast WoW as "expensive". When all is said and done, for the the ammount of content offered, you end up saving money playing WoW than you would playing other games. Vandalvideo

It saves me money because I don't have to buy other  games.  :roll:

Oh, or, I know.  I'll just buy a 12 pack less a month.  Or, a pizza less.  *grumble*

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

smokeydabear076

Typical response. Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system. I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

Not really since the some of the people that play WoW are the same people that talk smack about XBL being 50 bucks a year

And since you label lemmings as the same then you hermits must all be the same too

XBL isn't like free PC online gaming.

With PC gaming you got a bunch of serparate services for voice, buddy lists etc. etc and with XBL you have all that in one nifty package.

Of course they are trying to change that with vista and games for Windows

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]Not really since the some of the people that play WoW are the same people that talk smack about XBL being 50 bucks a year

And since you label lemmings as the same then you hermits must all be the same too

-The-G-Man-

And how do you know this?

Xbox Live is not optional if you want to play games online.  MMOs are optional.  The 360 has an MMO as well.

The only MMO I know of is Final Fantasy and you do not need to be a gold member to play it online. I cannot believe PC gamers complain about a mesely $50.00 a year. Hell i get my subs for $20.00 on eBay.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Are you trying to cast WoW as "expensive". When all is said and done, for the the ammount of content offered, you end up saving money playing WoW than you would playing other games. Jandurin

It saves me money because I don't have to buy other  games.  :roll:

Oh, or, I know.  I'll just buy a 12 pack less a month.  Or, a pizza less.  *grumble*

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]I must have missed out on that 360 game, which one would that be and for how much?-The-G-Man-

Final Fantasy XI.

I'm glad I don't like Final Fantasy

Thats because it offers just as much play time as continuously buying other games. For the sheer ammount of content the game offers, 15 a month is trivial when you think how many games you'd have to buy to get just as much content.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The funny thing is the people that look exactly like their character in the WoW and I'm talking about the dwarf

When I'm a senior citezen I'll think about getting into silly games like WoW

Neal_Gore

Typical response. Say a good game mentioned on the system you don't like isn't good because you don't like it, which you are probably saying you don't like in the first place simply because it isn't on your favorite system. I swear, you people need to be more original.

I own a PC that would be considered in nerd talk as a "sweet gaming rig or sexy gaming machine" but i'm not paying 15 bucks a month to live in the World of Warcraft when I'm happy living on planet earth.

Hermits talk about free gaming and yet they pay 15 bucks a month for WOWzers which comes out to 180 dollars a year

Not really since the some of the people that play WoW are the same people that talk smack about XBL being 50 bucks a year

And since you label lemmings as the same then you hermits must all be the same too

XBL isn't like free PC online gaming.

With PC gaming you got a bunch of serparate services for voice, buddy lists etc. etc and with XBL you have all that in one nifty package.

Of course they are trying to change that with vista and games for Windows

with XBL you dont even get dedicaded servers lol....WTF are you even paying for.

BTW, you have obviously never heard of X-fire.