360 only leading PS3 by 6 million now.. down by 2 million in 3 months..

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]

Certainly not true at all. There are many PS2 owners who went 360 after what Sony did back in E3 '06.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Now that the PS3 has dropped down to the same as the black 360 and does more for less and is more reliable and with bluray winning the HD format war and a Slim version and the software has virtually dried up exclusive wise for the 360 It's over for the 360 now as it heads to last place.

garland51

Some one tune up 'When You Wish Upon a Star.' Thanks for the speculation, it's always fun watching cows caring about sales after a year of acting like it didn't matter...

Exactly. Cows are getting all cocky just because Sony lowered the price of the PS3 down to $300 & has brought out the slim model. What will happen when MS drops the prices of the 360's down to $150 & $250? Especially when they bring out Natal next year? And not to mention that Natal has been getting a lot more attention than the PS wand is from both 3rd party developers & consumers. Yeah. Then what?

They'll start with the 'bu bu bu teh review scores tell us its teh year of teh PS3.'

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]hmmm cows caring about sales again I see ....blue_hazy_basic

yea and lemmings giving little significance to sales now seems the roles are reversed.

Lol, nice post that about sums it up.

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"] Lol what? Shall we say the only reason 360 sales are ahead of the ps3 is because everyone has to keep buying replacement consoles?garland51

Certainly not true at all. There are many PS2 owners who went 360 after what Sony did back in E3 '06.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

when considering what the numbers might actually be, it's not likely that the ps3 will pass the 360 during the 360's active lifetime. we've been hearing these dominance predictions yearly.

ItsBriskBaby

only a few million behind? :roll:

were you reading wikipedia or something?

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

when considering what the numbers might actually be, it's not likely that the ps3 will pass the 360 during the 360's active lifetime. we've been hearing these dominance predictions yearly.

CaseyWegner

only a few million behind? :roll:

were you reading wikipedia or something?

Lol what? Shall we say the only reason 360 sales are ahead of the ps3 is because everyone has to keep buying replacement consoles?_Cadbury_

Certainly not true at all. There are many PS2 owners who went 360 after what Sony did back in E3 '06.

What people fail to realize is when Sony sells more PS3s, they are losing even more money, while Microsoft continues to remain profitable. Sony lost like 4 billion in the last quarter alone.

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"][QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"] Lol what? Shall we say the only reason 360 sales are ahead of the ps3 is because everyone has to keep buying replacement consoles?ItsBriskBaby

Certainly not true at all. There are many PS2 owners who went 360 after what Sony did back in E3 '06.

I was just making an equally baseless assumption like you had in your post.

There's no way that 50% of all 360 owners went out and bought a new console due to the RROD. You have to account for those that MS fixed or replaced their consoles. There's no possible way that 50% would have bought a new console. I'm sure some did, but I doubt enough to make difference in why place the 360 holds. Btw, I'm a Nintendo person.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"] No one has a crystal ball and you can't overlook that facts either. The fact is PS3 has been out selling the 360 by a good amount since the $299 price drop and still outselling it to this day. They are only a few million behind and closing the gap every week. It's not Sony's fault if the 360 doesn't last a 10 year life cycle and MS wishes to end 360 early, so if they end 360 in a few years and Sony is still going strong it declares 360 the winner....No! It's like me saying my system sold 30 million in three years and your system sold 26 million in two years, but I'm gonna end my system now so I can be the winner, LOL that's just idiotic. If PS3 keeps outselling the 360, YES, it will pas the 360 eventually. I say it will take maybe about two years.ItsBriskBaby

only a few million behind? :roll:

were you reading wikipedia or something?

20 million spread? what? not even wikipedia or vgchartz say that much. can you please stop inventing numbers or do you have a source?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9944256-52.html

nowhere does it say anything close to having sold that many.

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"][QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]

Certainly not true at all. There are many PS2 owners who went 360 after what Sony did back in E3 '06.

I was just making an equally baseless assumption like you had in your post.Jamisonia

There's no way that 50% of all 360 owners went out and bought a new console due to the RROD. You have to account for those that MS fixed or replaced their consoles. There's no possible way that 50% would have bought a new console. I'm sure some did, but I doubt enough to make difference in why place the 360 holds. Btw, I'm a Nintendo person.

What people fail to realize is when Sony sells more PS3s, they are losing even more money, while Microsoft continues to remain profitable. Sony lost like 4 billion in the last quarter alone.

bphan

Make that nearly 5 billion.

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

only a few million behind? :roll:

were you reading wikipedia or something?

CaseyWegner

20 million spread? what? not even wikipedia or vgchartz say that much. can you please stop inventing numbers or do you have a source?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9944256-52.html

nowhere does it say anything close to having sold that many.

It's just a figure of speach, but I guaranty that at least 10mil of that 37mil bought more then one system.

ItsBriskBaby

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]It's just a figure of speach, but I guaranty that at least 10mil of that 37mil bought more then one system.

The US military recently bought 2200 PS3s and no games in order to cluster a network of computers together to process data. LOL. This is pure lost for Sony.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]It's just a figure of speach, but I guaranty that at least 10mil of that 37mil bought more then one system.

ItsBriskBaby

If that was true assuming so many people bought a 360 again, then how do you explain multiplatform games outselling PS3 version 3 to 1. Yeah. I thought so.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]It's just a figure of speach, but I guaranty that at least 10mil of that 37mil bought more then one system.

ItsBriskBaby

that's bs. while it is true that launch consoles only had a 90 day warranty, it was extended to 1 year and then 3 years. the extensions were also retroactive meaning that if you bought a launch console and the warranty expired, it was extended to 3 years for free by MS. how do i know? because MS extended my warranty for 3 years on my feb. 2006 model, just a few months after launch. btw, these sales numbers that the big three put out are for units sold to retailers, not units purchased by the end user/consumer. so in other words, these consoles have been bought and paid for and are considered actual sales by the console makers even if they are on store shelves collecting dust like the ps3 back in 2006-2008.

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]It's just a figure of speach, but I guaranty that at least 10mil of that 37mil bought more then one system.

20 million spread? what? not even wikipedia or vgchartz say that much. can you please stop inventing numbers or do you have a source?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9944256-52.html

nowhere does it say anything close to having sold that many.

CaseyWegner

Didn't Microsoft say the sold 10 mil consoles the first year? So if the had a 10 mil lead from the start, and 3 years later the 360 only has a 6 mil lead now(not sure) thats not that impressive. Considering the PS2 is at what like 200 mil now(once again I know it's not that high) and the PS3 had like what 5 price cuts already. But that being said the PS3 will out sell the 360, no doubt about that, but it might not do it in the 360's life time. Microsoft will probably make a new system sometime soon, and you know Sony likes to milk their systems for everything they can get, so long team yes the PS3 WILL pass the 360 but probably wont touch the Wii

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

20 million spread? what? not even wikipedia or vgchartz say that much. can you please stop inventing numbers or do you have a source?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9944256-52.html

nowhere does it say anything close to having sold that many.

SexySasquatch11

Didn't Microsoft say the sold 10 mil consoles the first year? So if the had a 10 mil lead from the start, and 3 years later the 360 only has a 6 mil lead now(not sure) thats not that impressive. Considering the PS2 is at what like 200 mil now(once again I know it's not that high) and the PS3 had like what 5 price cuts already. But that being said the PS3 will out sell the 360, no doubt about that, but it might not do it in the 360's life time. Microsoft will probably make a new system sometime soon, and you know Sony likes to milk their systems for everything they can get, so long team yes the PS3 WILL pass the 360 but probably wont touch the Wii

so...much...fail...overload!!! error!!! error!!!

when MS announced that they had sold 10 million xbox 360's sony had already launched the ps3 and sold several million units. how many? 6 million.

MS announced in january 2007 that they had sold 10 million xbox 360's worldwide. this was also the first year that the ps3 was on sale and it sold 6 million units. that means that MS's one year head start gave them a 4 million unit lead over sony. today, the lead is 7 million. sony isn't closing in at all, they're losing more ground. to make things worse, both sony and ms had a first year launch of 6 million units. sorry for the reality check.

xbox 360 hits 10 million worldwide.

sony ps3 launch in line with ms's.

[QUOTE="SexySasquatch11"]

Didn't Microsoft say the sold 10 mil consoles the first year? So if the had a 10 mil lead from the start, and 3 years later the 360 only has a 6 mil lead now(not sure) thats not that impressive. Considering the PS2 is at what like 200 mil now(once again I know it's not that high) and the PS3 had like what 5 price cuts already. But that being said the PS3 will out sell the 360, no doubt about that, but it might not do it in the 360's life time. Microsoft will probably make a new system sometime soon, and you know Sony likes to milk their systems for everything they can get, so long team yes the PS3 WILL pass the 360 but probably wont touch the Wii

cowgriller

so...much...fail...overload!!! error!!! error!!!

when MS announced that they had sold 10 million xbox 360's sony had already launched the ps3 and sold several million units. how many? 6 million.

MS announced in january 2007 that they had sold 10 million xbox 360's worldwide. this was also the first year that the ps3 was on sale and it sold 6 million units. that means that MS's one year head start gave them a 4 million unit lead over sony. today, the lead is 7 million. sony isn't closing in at all, they're losing more ground. to make things worse, both sony and ms had a first year launch of 6 million units. sorry for the reality check.

xbox 360 hits 10 million worldwide.

sony ps3 launch in line with ms's.

I never stated what i said as a fact, I guessed but I looked up some numbers are Microsoft had about a 6-7 mil lead when the PS3 launched, but if you think 10 years from now the 360 will have outsold the PS3 then i guess...well I can really say anything else or I'd get in trouble.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="SexySasquatch11"]

Didn't Microsoft say the sold 10 mil consoles the first year? So if the had a 10 mil lead from the start, and 3 years later the 360 only has a 6 mil lead now(not sure) thats not that impressive. Considering the PS2 is at what like 200 mil now(once again I know it's not that high) and the PS3 had like what 5 price cuts already. But that being said the PS3 will out sell the 360, no doubt about that, but it might not do it in the 360's life time. Microsoft will probably make a new system sometime soon, and you know Sony likes to milk their systems for everything they can get, so long team yes the PS3 WILL pass the 360 but probably wont touch the Wii

SexySasquatch11

so...much...fail...overload!!! error!!! error!!!

when MS announced that they had sold 10 million xbox 360's sony had already launched the ps3 and sold several million units. how many? 6 million.

MS announced in january 2007 that they had sold 10 million xbox 360's worldwide. this was also the first year that the ps3 was on sale and it sold 6 million units. that means that MS's one year head start gave them a 4 million unit lead over sony. today, the lead is 7 million. sony isn't closing in at all, they're losing more ground. to make things worse, both sony and ms had a first year launch of 6 million units. sorry for the reality check.

xbox 360 hits 10 million worldwide.

sony ps3 launch in line with ms's.

I never stated what i said as a fact, I guessed but I looked up some numbers are Microsoft had about a 6-7 mil lead when the PS3 launched, but if you think 10 years from now the 360 will have outsold the PS3 then i guess...well I can really say anything else or I'd get in trouble.

Looks like I contributed.

PC + PS3 + PSP FTW.

[QUOTE="SexySasquatch11"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

so...much...fail...overload!!! error!!! error!!!

when MS announced that they had sold 10 million xbox 360's sony had already launched the ps3 and sold several million units. how many? 6 million.

MS announced in january 2007 that they had sold 10 million xbox 360's worldwide. this was also the first year that the ps3 was on sale and it sold 6 million units. that means that MS's one year head start gave them a 4 million unit lead over sony. today, the lead is 7 million. sony isn't closing in at all, they're losing more ground. to make things worse, both sony and ms had a first year launch of 6 million units. sorry for the reality check.

xbox 360 hits 10 million worldwide.

sony ps3 launch in line with ms's.

cowgriller

I never stated what i said as a fact, I guessed but I looked up some numbers are Microsoft had about a 6-7 mil lead when the PS3 launched, but if you think 10 years from now the 360 will have outsold the PS3 then i guess...well I can really say anything else or I'd get in trouble.

yeah and sony can cut price too, but they are not stupid, neither of them wants to go to price war.

MS would only cut price when they lower production cost first.

losing marketshare is not a big deal in this case. only business noobs think marketshare is everything....

profit margin is much more important than marketshare in here. wtf MS wanst to cut console price if they cant increase proit margin. xbox 360 is arleady doing well, and cutting 360 price further down now would nothelp MS increase its profit .

what they doing now is to maximize their profit margin.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="SexySasquatch11"]

I never stated what i said as a fact, I guessed but I looked up some numbers are Microsoft had about a 6-7 mil lead when the PS3 launched, but if you think 10 years from now the 360 will have outsold the PS3 then i guess...well I can really say anything else or I'd get in trouble.

oajlu

yeah and sony can cut price too, but they are not stupid, neither of them wants to go to price war.

MS would only cut price when they lower production cost first.

losing marketshare is not a big deal in this case. only business noobs think marketshare is everything....

profit margin is much more important than marketshare in here. wtf MS wanst to cut console price if they cant increase proit margin. xbox 360 is arleady doing well, and cutting 360 price further down now would nothelp MS increase its profit .

what they doing now is to maximize their profit margin.

wow. fail.

first) sony could cut the ps3's price, but they can't afford to. they're losing money on the slim as it is. if they cut the price, they'll lose even more. MS could lower the price and still make a profit.

second) MS has lowered the production cost. hell they've been profiting on the 360 since 2007. once again, they could still cut the price and make a profit. the coming iteration of the 360 will cost even less to make than the current one being that it will house the CPU and GPU w/ daughter die on the same chip at 65nm.

third) marketshare is everything. you need to realize that the video game market is completely different from every other consumer electronic industry. the makers sell the units at a loss and make profits by selling licenses and lowering production costs. and for you to talk about marketshare not being important and sayin that profit margin is everything and relating this to the ps3 is laughable and boarders on self ownage. the ps3 has the smallest marketshare and a negative profit margin, in other words,it's causing sony to bleed faster than a hemophiliac with a paper cut.

MS hasn't cut the price in a year because 1) there's no incentive to and 2)dropping the price of a console once every few months is a sign of weakness. look at sony from 2006-2008 and how they lowered the price several times and introduced 4 different SKU's in that time period.

they don't need to have the 360 maximize their profit margins. that's what xbox live is for.

links to Valhalla (new xbox 360 iteration with CPU and GPU on single die.)

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pimpin all over the worllldddd...lol

marketshare is everything. you need to realize that the video game market is completely different from every other consumer electronic industry. the makers sell the units at a loss and make profits by selling licenses and lowering production costs. cowgriller

you do realize that sony will be launching the ps4 is 2012 along sides ms's phoenix (xbox 720)? you do realize that when sony says that they will support a console for 10 years, that they will start selling its successor in 6 years? and you do realize that ms can lower the price of the xbox 360 to increase it's lead on the ps3 right? basically, the ps3 is dead last this gen and sony really f'ed up this gen. no matter how cows would like to spin this, facts are facts, and the facts say sony is dead last.

cowgriller

Ok lets get one thing straight. I don't like Sony at all. The ONLY Sony game that I liked was Legend of Dragoon(could be others but I forgotten them), and yes God of War is a polished button masher with a a lame character and story. I loved the PS1, had an awesome library, but I prefered the N64 myself. PS2 was a joke to me. Didn't come close to the PS1 library, had a lot of good games but lacked the great ones that stand out to me. And the PS3 to me has been worse than the PS2, though Uncharted is amazing. But when Mircrosoft and Nintendo stop support for the 360 and Wii the PS3 with still be putting out systems and games for many many years. While the PS3 might never catch Microsoft in the 360's life span it'll take it out in the long haul. 100 mil PS1's and 140 mil PS2's show Sony knows what their doing. So if they follow their trend, which they probably will, 10 years from now the PS3 will probably over taken the 360 in terms of sales, and hell maybe even the Wii, but at the point in time will anyone even care. Do you care that Sony sold 240 mil+ consoles, because I sure as hell don't. Only system I cared about the sales were the Dreamcast, I wish it would have stayed around longer.

[QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

When Natal comes out 360 will sales will easily outsell PS3 again.

There will probably be a price drop aswell when Natal comes out.

Sorry Cows but the PS3 is never going to catch up in sales.

Ratchet_Fan8

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"] Oh wow! I'm sorry 6-7 million is a whole lot.:roll: I don't think so, not at the pace PS3 has been outselling the 360. 1st it was like a 20 mil spread then it was a 15 mil spread then it was a 10 mil spread.....Shall I go on? It's ok people feel bad about the PS3 catching up fast, but people don't have to be fools to ignore the facts unless you're a fanboy because fanboy facts are only fantasies.

ItsBriskBaby

20 million spread? what? not even wikipedia or vgchartz say that much. can you please stop inventing numbers or do you have a source?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9944256-52.html

nowhere does it say anything close to having sold that many.

the ps3 is not close to the 360 in sales. you're still using made up numbers. :|

[QUOTE="oajlu"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]you do realize that sony will be launching the ps4 is 2012 along sides ms's phoenix (xbox 720)? you do realize that when sony says that they will support a console for 10 years, that they will start selling its successor in 6 years? and you do realize that ms can lower the price of the xbox 360 to increase it's lead on the ps3 right? basically, the ps3 is dead last this gen and sony really f'ed up this gen. no matter how cows would like to spin this, facts are facts, and the facts say sony is dead last.

cowgriller

yeah and sony can cut price too, but they are not stupid, neither of them wants to go to price war.

MS would only cut price when they lower production cost first.

losing marketshare is not a big deal in this case. only business noobs think marketshare is everything....

profit margin is much more important than marketshare in here. wtf MS wanst to cut console price if they cant increase proit margin. xbox 360 is arleady doing well, and cutting 360 price further down now would nothelp MS increase its profit .

what they doing now is to maximize their profit margin.

wow. fail.

first) sony could cut the ps3's price, but they can't afford to. they're losing money on the slim as it is. if they cut the price, they'll lose even more. MS could lower the price and still make a profit.

second) MS has lowered the production cost. hell they've been profiting on the 360 since 2007. once again, they could still cut the price and make a profit. the coming iteration of the 360 will cost even less to make than the current one being that it will house the CPU and GPU w/ daughter die on the same chip at 65nm.

third) marketshare is everything. you need to realize that the video game market is completely different from every other consumer electronic industry. the makers sell the units at a loss and make profits by selling licenses and lowering production costs. and for you to talk about marketshare not being important and sayin that profit margin is everything and relating this to the ps3 is laughable and boarders on self ownage. the ps3 has the smallest marketshare and a negative profit margin, in other words,it's causing sony to bleed faster than a hemophiliac with a paper cut.

MS hasn't cut the price in a year because 1) there's no incentive to and 2)dropping the price of a console once every few months is a sign of weakness. look at sony from 2006-2008 and how they lowered the price several times and introduced 4 different SKU's in that time period.

they don't need to have the 360 maximize their profit margins. that's what xbox live is for.

did you meet sony's financial adviser or something ???

[QUOTE="jim_bojones"]no doubt the PS3 will be in first place in no time.PAL360

If "no time" means 2015, i agree with you. Also, so much talk about how the price drop would boost PS3 sales and destroy the competition, and 360 keeps selling almost as good...

selling as good = going from a 8 million gap to 6 million? vgchartz is really not as bad as people make it out to be. they update and make corrections frequently also.

It's going take a long time fort ps3 to be in first place also don't forget 360 is still selling at good rated and the wii is selling more than ps3 and 360-kyacat

I think at this point, cows are settling for just beating the 360.

no doubt the PS3 will be in first place in no time.jim_bojones

excuse me sir, have you forgot about this?

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

you do realize that sony will be launching the ps4 is 2012 along sides ms's phoenix (xbox 720)? you do realize that when sony says that they will support a console for 10 years, that they will start selling its successor in 6 years? and you do realize that ms can lower the price of the xbox 360 to increase it's lead on the ps3 right? basically, the ps3 is dead last this gen and sony really f'ed up this gen. no matter how cows would like to spin this, facts are facts, and the facts say sony is dead last.

SexySasquatch11

Ok lets get one thing straight. I don't like Sony at all. The ONLY Sony game that I liked was Legend of Dragoon(could be others but I forgotten them), and yes God of War is a polished button masher with a a lame character and story. I loved the PS1, had an awesome library, but I prefered the N64 myself. PS2 was a joke to me. Didn't come close to the PS1 library, had a lot of good games but lacked the great ones that stand out to me. And the PS3 to me has been worse than the PS2, though Uncharted is amazing.But when Mircrosoft and Nintendo stop support for the 360 and Wii the PS3 with still be putting out systems and games for many many years. While the PS3 might never catch Microsoft in the 360's life span it'll take it out in the long haul. 100 mil PS1's and 140 mil PS2's show Sony knows what their doing. So if they follow their trend, which they probably will, 10 years from now the PS3 will probably over taken the 360 in terms of sales, and hell maybe even the Wii, but at the point in time will anyone even care. Do you care that Sony sold 240 mil+ consoles, because I sure as hell don't. Only system I cared about the sales were the Dreamcast, I wish it would have stayed around longer.

all of this is irrelevant.

and all of this is bs.

once at least one of the console makers introduces the next generation of consoles, then this one becomes irrelevant. the battle would be for the next generation. it doesn't matter if it takes sony another 6 years to catch up to the 360 because oat that point no one would care.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="oajlu"]

yeah and sony can cut price too, but they are not stupid, neither of them wants to go to price war.

MS would only cut price when they lower production cost first.

losing marketshare is not a big deal in this case. only business noobs think marketshare is everything....

profit margin is much more important than marketshare in here. wtf MS wanst to cut console price if they cant increase proit margin. xbox 360 is arleady doing well, and cutting 360 price further down now would nothelp MS increase its profit .

what they doing now is to maximize their profit margin.

ksko

wow. fail.

first) sony could cut the ps3's price, but they can't afford to. they're losing money on the slim as it is. if they cut the price, they'll lose even more. MS could lower the price and still make a profit.

second) MS has lowered the production cost. hell they've been profiting on the 360 since 2007. once again, they could still cut the price and make a profit. the coming iteration of the 360 will cost even less to make than the current one being that it will house the CPU and GPU w/ daughter die on the same chip at 65nm.

third) marketshare is everything. you need to realize that the video game market is completely different from every other consumer electronic industry. the makers sell the units at a loss and make profits by selling licenses and lowering production costs. and for you to talk about marketshare not being important and sayin that profit margin is everything and relating this to the ps3 is laughable and boarders on self ownage. the ps3 has the smallest marketshare and a negative profit margin, in other words,it's causing sony to bleed faster than a hemophiliac with a paper cut.

MS hasn't cut the price in a year because 1) there's no incentive to and 2)dropping the price of a console once every few months is a sign of weakness. look at sony from 2006-2008 and how they lowered the price several times and introduced 4 different SKU's in that time period.

they don't need to have the 360 maximize their profit margins. that's what xbox live is for.

did you meet sony's financial adviser or something ???

no but when their CEO states that their losing money for every ps3 slim sold, you have to realize they can't afford to lower the price.

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OMG, this Holiday Season has turned Cows into Chicago Cub fans, a few key wins and they think they've somehow won the whole thing...

OMG, this Holiday Season has turned Cows into Chicago Cub fans, a few key wins and they think they've somehow won the whole thing...

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