360 vs ps3 overall build quality analysis ( no 56k)

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Silchas

[QUOTE="Silchas"]

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MoldOnHold

Wow, I think I'll get rid of my 360 now! Not!Cubs360

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Silchas

[QUOTE="Cubs360"]Wow, I think I'll get rid of my 360 now! Not!machitocaliente

[QUOTE="Cubs360"]Wow, I think I'll get rid of my 360 now! Not!machitocaliente

Sony did do a good job at making a console that was quiet, and didn't have much hardware problems, especially as significant as the 360, which is where Microsoft really dropped the bomb.
Mystic_Legend

xbox360 has two 60 milimeter exhaust fans that pull cool air across heatsink fins and out the back of console.

ps3 has crappier build quality, outdated crap gpu, and crap cpu for gaming, cell cant access xdr+ gddr3...only rsx can use gddr3 +xdr, ..plus the ps3's fan sucks, also the ps3 gpu rsx has 256 mb gddr3 located on the gpu pcb heating up gpu.

Firstly, there is nothing "mediocre" (as far as console CPU's go) about Xenon. OK IF YOU SAY SO.... Secondly while I do agree that PS3 is better built, and the cooling is better(heatpipes for the win!)...there is nothing passive about the CPU on the Xenon...thats a watercooled block. WRONG. IT HAS 1 COPPER HEAT PIPE + ALUMINUM FINS. IT does not use a fan mounted directly onto the heatsink. IT RELIES ON natural convection cooling

What boggles me though is why they didn't do it for the GPU as well...

there system works well, and other then GPU overheating...the rest of the hardware is just fine.Innovazero2000

[QUOTE="Mystic_Legend"]Sony did do a good job at making a console that was quiet, and didn't have much hardware problems, especially as significant as the 360, which is where Microsoft really dropped the bomb.
thirstychainsaw

I think it's funny you commented on the heat pipes on the PS3 and failed to see that the 360 also used heatpipes on it's cpu cooler (plus copper bottom). Also the 360 has exhaust fans that you did not point out. Even some of the most expensive Mobo's out there still use electrolytic capacitors BTW. Some of that cooling is also based on having the PS built into the system also which 360 is external and not needed. One last note 360 is shrinking it's die and the extra heating won't be needed anyway. 

Notice the "exhaust fans" and heatpipe across CPU, not mentioned by the TC. 

xbox360 has two 60 milimeter exhaust fans that pull cool air across heatsink fins and out the back of console.

ps3 has crappier build quality, outdated crap gpu, and crap cpu for gaming, cell cant access xdr+ gddr3...only rsx cant use gddr3 +xdr, ..plus the ps3's fan sucks, also the ps3 gpu rsx has 256 mb gddr3 located on the gpu pcb heating up gpu.

bobobobodfwofof

[QUOTE="machitocaliente"][QUOTE="Cubs360"]Wow, I think I'll get rid of my 360 now! Not!asmallchild

I think it's funny you commented on the heat pipes on the PS3 and failed to see that the 360 also used heatpipes on it's cpu cooler (plus copper bottom). Also the 360 has exhaust fans that you did not point out. Even some of the most expensive Mobo's out there still use electrolytic capacitors BTW. Some of that cooling is also based on having the PS built into the system also which 360 is external and not needed. One last note 360 is shrinking it's die and the extra heating won't be needed anyway.

Notice the "exhaust fans" and heatpipe across CPU, not mentioned by the TC.

rexoverbey

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"]

I think it's funny you commented on the heat pipes on the PS3 and failed to see that the 360 also used heatpipes on it's cpu cooler (plus copper bottom). Also the 360 has exhaust fans that you did not point out. Even some of the most expensive Mobo's out there still use electrolytic capacitors BTW. Some of that cooling is also based on having the PS built into the system also which 360 is external and not needed. One last note 360 is shrinking it's die and the extra heating won't be needed anyway.

Notice the "exhaust fans" and heatpipe across CPU, not mentioned by the TC.

machitocaliente

Plus the 360 uses a duct to channel cool the hot air out.  Two 60MM fans, two heatsinks one w/ copper base and heatpipes, plus air duct is not enough?  LOL!  Plus as I had said before half of PS3 cooling is going to PSU components and 360s are external.

I havent had my 360 overheat before, but now I'm worried.  What would happen?  Could you just let it cool down and fire it up again?  or is this permanent damage?carl2tan

[QUOTE="carl2tan"]I havent had my 360 overheat before, but now I'm worried.  What would happen?  Could you just let it cool down and fire it up again?  or is this permanent damage?rexoverbey

YES. GET IT 2 YOUR BRAIN.  ITS NOT ENOUGH

THE COOLING STINKS. ( MAINLY THE GPU COOLING)

IN THE " PC WORLD " THERE IS NOT A SINGLE HIG END  / LOW END PASSIVE VIDEOCARD  THAT RUNS COOL

THEY  USE  MASSIVE  ALUMINIUM HEATSINKS PLUS TON OF HEAT PIPES  LIKE THESE  AND REQUIERE REALLY GOOD AIRFLOW










YOU ARE TELLING ME THIS PASSIVE POS IS ENOUTGH FOR THE MIGTHY  XENOS









machitocaliente

lol, yea that heatsink isnt really good, ati gpu's usually run hot as hell also...they should of had fans attached to actual gpu/cpu heatsinks.

[QUOTE="carl2tan"]I havent had my 360 overheat before, but now I'm worried.  What would happen?  Could you just let it cool down and fire it up again?  or is this permanent damage?rexoverbey

check this out http://crunchgear.com/2006/10/27/nykos-intercooler-causes-problems-for-xbox-360/

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metalmonkey268

TC sounds like one of them people who would spend $1000 in a PC on performance parts, CPU, Ram, Graphics Card Ect, and spend $1500 on cooling gear.Marka1700

The PS3 uses a high wattage GPU based off a PC GPU.   I don't know the exact number for RSX but the Cell and RSX use 385 watts!

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]TC sounds like one of them people who would spend $1000 in a PC on performance parts, CPU, Ram, Graphics Card Ect, and spend $1500 on cooling gear.rexoverbey

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"][QUOTE="Marka1700"]TC sounds like one of them people who would spend $1000 in a PC on performance parts, CPU, Ram, Graphics Card Ect, and spend $1500 on cooling gear.machitocaliente

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]TC sounds like one of them people who would spend $1000 in a PC on performance parts, CPU, Ram, Graphics Card Ect, and spend $1500 on cooling gear.rexoverbey

The PS3 uses a high wattage GPU based off a PC GPU. I don't know the exact number for RSX but the Cell and RSX use 385 watts!

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"]

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]TC sounds like one of them people who would spend $1000 in a PC on performance parts, CPU, Ram, Graphics Card Ect, and spend $1500 on cooling gear.machitocaliente

The PS3 uses a high wattage GPU based off a PC GPU. I don't know the exact number for RSX but the Cell and RSX use 385 watts!

HIGH WATTAGE = HIGH HEAT

LOW WATTAGE = LOW HEAT

^^^ It's  pretty elementary understanding.